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Stadium redo

January 7, 2009

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To the editor:

Before we wrap up another successful football season under Coach Mangino, let’s ask Lew Perkins what he is doing to create a first-class football facility.

I noted in the program for this year’s KU vs. OU game that the first addition to Oklahoma’s Memorial Stadium occurred in 1949 with “a six-foot lowering of the old playing surface and the elimination of a running track that surrounded the playing area. The change produced 7,000 new ringside seats.”

In Ivan Maisels’ new book, subtitled “College Football’s Most Overrated & Underrated,” the author rates Darrell K. Royal — Texas Memorial Stadium as the second “most overrated” college football stadium: “What saved this stadium from being the most overrated in the nation is the renovation, completed in 1999, that removed the track that separated the fans from the field. The atmosphere … used to be so dead that scientists came to study how people survived in it.”

KU is one of only three BCS schools with a track inside its football stadium, a designation we need not share with Duke and Washington!

Here’s the game plan for Lew: 1) Tear out the track. 2) Lower the field and add seven rows of seats (per the engineering study in Lew’s file). 3) Knock down the horseshoe and rebuild stands across the back of the north end zone.

Rock Chalk, KU football!

J. David Holt,
Kansas City, Mo.

Comments

pelliott 5 years, 3 months ago

I agree it is a privet (privet (priv′it)nounany of a genus (Ligustrum) of shrubs or trees of the olive family, with bluish-black berries and spikes of white flowers, often grown for hedges; esp., the common privet and a waste of energy.). Give it a break, the community is hurt by the rah rah sports culture.

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lynchburgsbest 5 years, 3 months ago

actually kansas university athletics is a privet orginization. all of it facilitys on campus are paid for privetly. and none of use in lawrence are paying for those stadiums in jackson county mo

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Pilgrim 5 years, 3 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says…...it is time for corporitized college sports to move off into the for profit world as farm teams and let universities get back to what they should be doing. It is totally out of wack.********In all likelihood, a gym class fattie, too.

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Pilgrim 5 years, 3 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says…Let's see, they have won two bowl games in a row, the first and biggest, last year was without the new facilities they have and this year without have a closed bowl and a track.*****This guy's probably still listening to his 8-tracks "because the player still works."

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Exactly deskboy04, let's put the farm team where it belongs. Of course it is unfortunate that the stadium is paid for by many of the people who can't afford to go to the game but looks like it is out of the closet now days and we will do anything for our billionaires, even when it involves socialism!

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Pilgrim 5 years, 3 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says…Or better yet, can't you all get a life so you don't need to associate so much with a college football team's success?*********Yet another World of Warcraft junkie heard from.

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deskboy04 5 years, 3 months ago

Thank goodness for Arrowhead and the annual tradition of MU/KU.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 3 months ago

Again, will the donors and Perkins force a legacy upon the university they will later regret? We already have local leaders with legacies irreversible.After all, it is only a football stadium for god's sake. And it isn't even used 365 days a year. So how important can it really be?

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Yes, see it is a university, it would still function it its role to teach and do research which is what it is suppose to do. I keep hearing that enrollment is up like McDonalds posting how many hamburgers they have sold but as we all know all those hamburgers hasn't been good for us as a country and made us fat. I believe increasing enrollment is about the same, more kids coming to college to party and lured in by sports only to get themselves seriously in debt and maybe, maybe not, get a degree that isn't going to get them anywhere while the universities have to dumb down instead of pushing for excellence and challenging the smartest among us.

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lynchburgsbest 5 years, 3 months ago

Then if you belive that than you must not like kansas basketball. am i right if it would function just fine without a football team than woulden't it do just fine with out basketball? wrong Kansas even released their enrolment has gone up because of athletics.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

But since we are talking about a game does it really matter? Kansas (the University that exists to teach and do research) would function just fine without a football team. Times do change and it is time for corporitized college sports to move off into the for profit world as farm teams and let universities get back to what they should be doing. It is totally out of wack.

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lynchburgsbest 5 years, 3 months ago

Kansas football has only one true tradition and it involves the band running on to the feild during pregame. Mabey it is time that you start thinking about what Kansas can be and stop living what it was. Times change and if you don't change with them you get left behind.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Well there you go again, it's all about football. Oh my, our stadium is old yet has been highly renovated so it isn't quite like it was when it was built. KU use to have a lot of fun traditions but many started getting shoved aside by the corporatization of upper level college athletics. Now it is all about being crass and cute and the traditions are only their if they fit into the big picture. Tailgating has been found to be a money maker for KU so it flourishes but sitting on the hill to enjoy the day is gone because they have put tents up the entire hill, you either pay or you are out. See a lot about tradition is that it isn't something you buy with money and for all you who think it is you'll never understand, obviously.

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lynchburgsbest 5 years, 3 months ago

Mabey you should attend a game at Pittsburg state you might be suprised. they have a fan fest type tailgate at every game something Kansas dose not have. the team walks to the stadium through the parking lot something they have done since the 70's another thing kansas dosent do. the band hold a concert at the tailgate. and the stadium has been full for almost every game for decades. tradition i think that speaks tradition. so jack take it and shove it. kansas needs to progress like the rest of the big 12. we have one of the oldest stadiums in the country. its time to make it look like a first class facility for a first class football program.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

So unless you only think football rules surely you would appreciate KU traditions which include the track events that have occurred there. To just tear it up to put in more seats for the fair weather and obviously very wealthy fans is ridiculous. I'm still not impressed enough to think a division one school has to run scared because a division two school is outdoing them with their stadium. Something division one schools have is a sense of tradition unless we just continue down the road of crassness. I've always imagined it is only a matter of time before they have advertising on the campanile.

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lynchburgsbest 5 years, 3 months ago

Jack for your information i have been going to kansas football games since the mid 90's my parents have been going since the 70s so dont be accusing me of being a band wagon fan. i am far from that. also that division 2 team i keep talking about has 2 national football championships which in no case of division im pretty sure a national championship is only beat by a national championship at the next level which kansas football dose not have.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

lynchburgsbest so you went to the bowl games, are you just around for the good years? Who cares if it had dirt floors if it is about the game, the division 2 teams don't have Orange Bowl champs do they? Imagine they'd trade their stadium for that? I've said it before but the international students who use to play cricket at various places at KU until the indoor workout area was built for the pampered ku kids and the practice field was build over the tennis court they use to play on played where they could because they loved it. From all the frills at the new stadium additions it seems KU fans want something upscale before they leave the game early and a party. Come on, that stadium was half full a few years ago by real fans. You all who want to come in and tear up traditions will be gone the next time they have a down year or two.

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lynchburgsbest 5 years, 3 months ago

I have not lost passion for the kansas jayhawks football program i have traveled to the last three bowl games. i just think that when their is a division 2 football facility in your own state that is nicer than memorial stadium i think it a little sad. i will give kansas credit memorial stadium is a very nice facility better than arrowhead, and again my i remind you not 10 years ago memorial hand dirt floors and was very daek and dingy.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Just makes me think more, there doesn't seem to be a passion for the game but more of a concern for the atmosphere. That probably explains why so many KU fans are streaming to their cars while the game is going on. Come to tailgate, to hobnob, and gosh where is my Corinthian leather toilet seat protector, la de da, so that they even have to put the clown section in so everybody can see the high rollers that want to be seen right on the field with their big tv's and climate controlled personal restrooms! Man, too bad there isn't any passion for the actual game anymore.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

VTHawk and lynchburgsbest is this really the most important thing you all have to be worried about considering the state of the world today? Let's see, they have won two bowl games in a row, the first and biggest, last year was without the new facilities they have and this year without have a closed bowl and a track. You two are probably just like the fair weather fans who will be out of there when they lose. Could the noise factor also be because they have gotten rid of the real fans who did go to the games year in and year out, win or lose, but who don't have the kind of money it takes to afford the seats now and replaced them with people who aren't quite as passionate and think of it as more of a way of networking? I mean the money is tax deductible, a business decision. Not a lot of passion from those who expect something for what they give as opposed to those who stuck by them even when losing.

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livnlarry 5 years, 3 months ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt the track coming out after this next season. It seems to me i remember reading that they are putting a track only facility on the west campus. Maybe I am the only one of you wanna be's that pay attention to footballl in this town.

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lynchburgsbest 5 years, 3 months ago

The university of kansas nodoubt needs to do something about their stadium. Their is a division 2 stadium in this state that has a video board that makes kansas memorial stadium's look like a hand held tv. (pittsburg state just in case you were wondering) I also agree that kansas needs to remove the track. another suggestion i would make is FIX the plumbing. you walk in to the restroom right when the stadium opens and the floor is wet. i will say it is much nicer than it was just 10 years ago. Dirt floors any one, their was a time.

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VTHawk 5 years, 3 months ago

davidsmom:The fans weren't very loud because they are spread so far apart. Unlike almost every other team in the B12, our stadium is not fully enclosed (cause of the hill). This means that we lose a lot of sound out of the stadium anyway. Combine this fact with the extra 15yds between the crowd and the field and you have a pretty quiet venue. KU sold out EVERY game this year, but our seating capacity (low 50k's) is limited. Even MU's stadium seats 68k!

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davidsmom 5 years, 3 months ago

When I went to a couple of games this year, I didn't even pay attention to the track. It was not a problem at all for me. I also love the tradition of track events. I don't think KU sold out all the football games this year. I am in favor of a much more longstanding tradition of winning before enlarging the stadium. Now those "recliner" seats in that temporary thing that looks like the base of a traveling carnival ride look ridiculous...get rid of those and put in regular seats, or just take them out. Other than that, the stadium is just fine. What isn't fine is the fact that the fans were not very loud, and this really, really surprised me. Those games were still fun experiences I wouldn't trade or change.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 3 months ago

KU and it's athletic supporters would make a terrrible, irreversible decision to change the stadium and remove the track, let alone mess with the north end.Here's the facts: ASU stadium was enlarged to accomodate the Fiesta Bowl. Now years later, Glendale pulled off quite a coup and endend up with the Glendale Stadium (name not good enough, so Phoenix University throws it's money around and gets the stadium renamed)..Now ASU has the big butt stadium, and I can guaranteed to anyone that if they go there, KU stadium will outrank it in aesthetics, and comfort. KU's band, looked like a high school band from Vinland at the ASU stadium, dwarfed not only by the stadium but by the big Minnesota Band.Mr. Perkins, we all know will not be at KU forever. He should carefully consider his legacy. His legacy may be at the end, just as bad as our outgoing city commissioners.Lew Perkins, if you read these comments in between backslapping the donors. Think carefullly about what KU has.Has everyone already forgotten it was not too many years ago, a rumor had surfaced that KU wanted to move the stadium to 15th and Kasold area i.e. west campus.Leave well enough alone! When the team starts to lose, Memorial Stadium can still be filled.

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1029 5 years, 3 months ago

Mr. Holt sounds like an elliptophobic with too much time on his hands. I worked with an elliptophobic once and he was always going on and on about how we should get rid of everything that was shaped like an oval. I remember that running tracks were one of the things he hated. He was a pretty worthless employee and the company finally let him go because he was unproductive and spent most of his time whining about how the company wouldn't put in square sinks and toilets.The stadium is fine. The north end zone seats are horrible, but low end zone seats in most stadiums are.

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spankyandcranky 5 years, 3 months ago

If they take out the track, where will they build a new one? Of course, football fans would appreciate the removal of the track, and it would improve seating and atmosphere. But people attending track events usually expect stadium seating as well. And our substantial track and field history brings fans to the stadium seats as well. The issue doesn't seem cut and dry to me.

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lovenhaight 5 years, 3 months ago

I think that the football team should actually have to maintain a decent record for a few years before we say they deserve any more renovations that they've already gotten. They still aren't that good, and removing a track isn't going to make them better.

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lawrencechick 5 years, 3 months ago

VTHawk: "Wants" are what got our country (and world) in the current mess we are in today. " Wants" have limits.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Needs and wants. Let's see exactly what are the needs? It seems a lot of fair weather fans now claim the need for more seating but what happens when the team isn't doing so good and we are back to an empty stadium? There is no need for this and is totally a want but the crowd that can't say no to their out of control desires. Isn't the degradation to the surrounding already bad enough? Can't there be some dignity left to that area meant to honor those who actually sacrificed something other then a beer at the tailgate party? Or better yet, can't you all get a life so you don't need to associate so much with a college football team's success? I imagine for a marketing man the possibilities come alive, actually I wonder if the fact a marketing man writes this isn't a tie to marketing the idea in the first place by some clever athletic department people. Hmmmm, makes me wonder.

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VTHawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Lawrencechick:Needs and wants are both something that you try to achieve. We "need" a field on which to play football to compete, but we "want" a football stadium that is comparable to others across the nation (and world, to be honest).

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VTHawk 5 years, 3 months ago

JackRipper: We are talking about renovations at a FOOTBALL STADIUM. Naturally the topic of football has come up. It will be sad to move the Relays to another location, but change can be good (didn't someone run a campaign on that, or am I mistaken).

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Pilgrim 5 years, 3 months ago

labmonkey (Anonymous) says…Or how about taking the money it would cost to do that and put it into educational programs.********Yet another uninformed denizen who doesn't know that state tax and tuition money DO NOT fund KU athletics. That all comes from donations to the Williams Fund, ticket sales, TV revenue, etc. KU Athletics is completely self-sustaining. If they want to renovate the stadium, it won't take a dime out of your pocket.If you think you can talk the athletics donors to switch their money to the endowment association or some other educationally-centered organization, knock yourself out. Until then, the athletic department can stand on its own. And in fact, studies have shown schools with successful athletics programs actually attract MORE money to academics, not less.There, another bubble happily burst. You're welcome.

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lawrencechick 5 years, 3 months ago

Mr. Holt did you ever have the lesson in kindergarten covering "needs vs. wants". Our stadium is fine the way it is and the Hill's tradition is much more important than your insecurity about how we rate across the nation.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

"I can tell that most of you not only attend few games in Memorial Stadium, but that you've seldom left home to see games in the stadiums of schools with quality football programs."Sad but true. I know it is an empty life put I try to go on anyway.

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jdavidholt 5 years, 3 months ago

"Perhaps the only way it should be considered is if they agree to not play regular season football or basketball on any “neutral site” in Missouri."Now, let's see. Oklahoma is playing in the national championship game and they play a neutral site game out of state every year. Any commection?Kansas won the Orange Bowl game because the experience in another NFL stadium prepared them the beat Va Tech. Any connection?I can tell that most of you not only attend few games in Memorial Stadium, but that you've seldom left home to see games in the stadiums of schools with quality football programs.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

jdavidholt (Anonymous) says…None of you sound like football fans.You are a smart cookie. Does that make us un-American? Will we be hauled to Cuba? Fanatical sports fans are ruining universities. Do you really need to brag about your college team at work to feel satisfied? They already have seats in the endzone so you can be close to the action. The track history is probably more notable then footballs so why don't they move the football field instead, use those unused practice fields and turn the stadium into a track and field exclusive place?

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not_so_greek 5 years, 3 months ago

ariadne (Anonymous) says… leave the track there. Kansas Relays and all.____Watch out. This idiot of a so-called architect will be suggesting a "wildlife woodlands buffer" around the stadium before too long.http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/dec...

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Easy_Does_It go even one better, let the professional football teams take the college teams since they are essentially farm teams for the billionaire pro sports owners anyway. Let them pay for the costs of developing talent and let the universities get back to education and research.

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jdavidholt 5 years, 3 months ago

None of you sound like football fans.

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Tony Kisner 5 years, 3 months ago

J David - even better let's play all home games at Arrowhead, right in your back yard.What a great thing that would be, I attended the KU-MU game, sitting close to the field, I puked right on the field dude, it was great! It was like I was part of the game. You can get to the game like 3 hours early and drink until you can't see. The nice thing about Arrowhead is if you need to take a wiz you can find two vans or SUV's parked side by side and just do it, no waiting for stinky port-o-pottys.I love college football just not the college campus. Too many trees and grass plus all the students take the best seats.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Mediocrity? Should the students in art school paint over the masters because it is old and needs to be shaken up? Oh shouldn't have brought up art since you probably do think the hill is more attractive with the out of proportion practice fields that were hardly used and the beige wart on the side of the stadium. Yes, sports are the sign of advancement.

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TheOriginalCA 5 years, 3 months ago

Yes, let's perpetuate mediocrity all in the name of tradition.

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VTHawk 5 years, 3 months ago

It was Gatlin, got Greene. I misremembered.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Wow, mom of three and me agree! Track history has been as great as football. Can we please stop looking at how much money can be made all the time and appeal to something higher? Anyone who thinks that area over there looks better with all the new crap must think the tower downtown is attractive also.

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ariadne 5 years, 3 months ago

leave the track there. Kansas Relays and all.

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The_Original_Bob 5 years, 3 months ago

I'm going to retract my last post. I couldn't find any evidence of him being caught at the Relays. I must be thinking of someone else. Lots of allegations otherwise, but that is typical for any Olympic athlete these days.I still don't understand what people have against the track.

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The_Original_Bob 5 years, 3 months ago

Greene tested postive when he ran at the Relays. I can't say I followed what happened after that as to whether the retest was clean or not.I've never understood people's hatred for the track.

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orbiter 5 years, 3 months ago

" Mo Greene testing positive"testing positve for what? back it up with facts if you are going to throw around that kind of slander.

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VTHawk 5 years, 3 months ago

And lately? Last big event that I rember was Mo Greene testing positive at the KS relays.

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mom_of_three 5 years, 3 months ago

yes, tradition. Kansas Relays held somewhere other than Memorial Stadium sounds like a bad idea. So many great and historic races have been held on that track.

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labmonkey 5 years, 3 months ago

Or how about taking the money it would cost to do that and put it into educational programs. Thanks to the tradition of the hill, the stadium should not be touched and left as it is. Perhaps the only way it should be considered is if they agree to not play regular season football or basketball on any "neutral site" in Missouri.

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VTHawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Great idea, Mr. Holt. The gameday atmosphere has improved SO much over the last couple of years, but we still play in a HS stadium. Adding a Texas-sized video board would be nice, as well.

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