Archive for Wednesday, January 7, 2009

Stadium redo

January 7, 2009


To the editor:

Before we wrap up another successful football season under Coach Mangino, let’s ask Lew Perkins what he is doing to create a first-class football facility.

I noted in the program for this year’s KU vs. OU game that the first addition to Oklahoma’s Memorial Stadium occurred in 1949 with “a six-foot lowering of the old playing surface and the elimination of a running track that surrounded the playing area. The change produced 7,000 new ringside seats.”

In Ivan Maisels’ new book, subtitled “College Football’s Most Overrated & Underrated,” the author rates Darrell K. Royal — Texas Memorial Stadium as the second “most overrated” college football stadium: “What saved this stadium from being the most overrated in the nation is the renovation, completed in 1999, that removed the track that separated the fans from the field. The atmosphere … used to be so dead that scientists came to study how people survived in it.”

KU is one of only three BCS schools with a track inside its football stadium, a designation we need not share with Duke and Washington!

Here’s the game plan for Lew: 1) Tear out the track. 2) Lower the field and add seven rows of seats (per the engineering study in Lew’s file). 3) Knock down the horseshoe and rebuild stands across the back of the north end zone.

Rock Chalk, KU football!

J. David Holt,
Kansas City, Mo.


VTHawk 9 years, 3 months ago

Great idea, Mr. Holt. The gameday atmosphere has improved SO much over the last couple of years, but we still play in a HS stadium. Adding a Texas-sized video board would be nice, as well.

labmonkey 9 years, 3 months ago

Or how about taking the money it would cost to do that and put it into educational programs. Thanks to the tradition of the hill, the stadium should not be touched and left as it is. Perhaps the only way it should be considered is if they agree to not play regular season football or basketball on any "neutral site" in Missouri.

mom_of_three 9 years, 3 months ago

yes, tradition. Kansas Relays held somewhere other than Memorial Stadium sounds like a bad idea. So many great and historic races have been held on that track.

VTHawk 9 years, 3 months ago

And lately? Last big event that I rember was Mo Greene testing positive at the KS relays.

orbiter 9 years, 3 months ago

" Mo Greene testing positive"testing positve for what? back it up with facts if you are going to throw around that kind of slander.

VTHawk 9 years, 3 months ago

It was Gatlin, got Greene. I misremembered.

TheOriginalCA 9 years, 3 months ago

Yes, let's perpetuate mediocrity all in the name of tradition.

Tony Kisner 9 years, 3 months ago

J David - even better let's play all home games at Arrowhead, right in your back yard.What a great thing that would be, I attended the KU-MU game, sitting close to the field, I puked right on the field dude, it was great! It was like I was part of the game. You can get to the game like 3 hours early and drink until you can't see. The nice thing about Arrowhead is if you need to take a wiz you can find two vans or SUV's parked side by side and just do it, no waiting for stinky port-o-pottys.I love college football just not the college campus. Too many trees and grass plus all the students take the best seats.

jdavidholt 9 years, 3 months ago

"Perhaps the only way it should be considered is if they agree to not play regular season football or basketball on any “neutral site” in Missouri."Now, let's see. Oklahoma is playing in the national championship game and they play a neutral site game out of state every year. Any commection?Kansas won the Orange Bowl game because the experience in another NFL stadium prepared them the beat Va Tech. Any connection?I can tell that most of you not only attend few games in Memorial Stadium, but that you've seldom left home to see games in the stadiums of schools with quality football programs.

lawrencechick 9 years, 3 months ago

Mr. Holt did you ever have the lesson in kindergarten covering "needs vs. wants". Our stadium is fine the way it is and the Hill's tradition is much more important than your insecurity about how we rate across the nation.

VTHawk 9 years, 3 months ago

JackRipper: We are talking about renovations at a FOOTBALL STADIUM. Naturally the topic of football has come up. It will be sad to move the Relays to another location, but change can be good (didn't someone run a campaign on that, or am I mistaken).

VTHawk 9 years, 3 months ago

Lawrencechick:Needs and wants are both something that you try to achieve. We "need" a field on which to play football to compete, but we "want" a football stadium that is comparable to others across the nation (and world, to be honest).

lawrencechick 9 years, 3 months ago

VTHawk: "Wants" are what got our country (and world) in the current mess we are in today. " Wants" have limits.

lovenhaight 9 years, 3 months ago

I think that the football team should actually have to maintain a decent record for a few years before we say they deserve any more renovations that they've already gotten. They still aren't that good, and removing a track isn't going to make them better.

spankyandcranky 9 years, 3 months ago

If they take out the track, where will they build a new one? Of course, football fans would appreciate the removal of the track, and it would improve seating and atmosphere. But people attending track events usually expect stadium seating as well. And our substantial track and field history brings fans to the stadium seats as well. The issue doesn't seem cut and dry to me.

1029 9 years, 3 months ago

Mr. Holt sounds like an elliptophobic with too much time on his hands. I worked with an elliptophobic once and he was always going on and on about how we should get rid of everything that was shaped like an oval. I remember that running tracks were one of the things he hated. He was a pretty worthless employee and the company finally let him go because he was unproductive and spent most of his time whining about how the company wouldn't put in square sinks and toilets.The stadium is fine. The north end zone seats are horrible, but low end zone seats in most stadiums are.

davidsmom 9 years, 3 months ago

When I went to a couple of games this year, I didn't even pay attention to the track. It was not a problem at all for me. I also love the tradition of track events. I don't think KU sold out all the football games this year. I am in favor of a much more longstanding tradition of winning before enlarging the stadium. Now those "recliner" seats in that temporary thing that looks like the base of a traveling carnival ride look ridiculous...get rid of those and put in regular seats, or just take them out. Other than that, the stadium is just fine. What isn't fine is the fact that the fans were not very loud, and this really, really surprised me. Those games were still fun experiences I wouldn't trade or change.

VTHawk 9 years, 3 months ago

davidsmom:The fans weren't very loud because they are spread so far apart. Unlike almost every other team in the B12, our stadium is not fully enclosed (cause of the hill). This means that we lose a lot of sound out of the stadium anyway. Combine this fact with the extra 15yds between the crowd and the field and you have a pretty quiet venue. KU sold out EVERY game this year, but our seating capacity (low 50k's) is limited. Even MU's stadium seats 68k!

Andrew Boyd 9 years, 3 months ago

The university of kansas nodoubt needs to do something about their stadium. Their is a division 2 stadium in this state that has a video board that makes kansas memorial stadium's look like a hand held tv. (pittsburg state just in case you were wondering) I also agree that kansas needs to remove the track. another suggestion i would make is FIX the plumbing. you walk in to the restroom right when the stadium opens and the floor is wet. i will say it is much nicer than it was just 10 years ago. Dirt floors any one, their was a time.

livnlarry 9 years, 3 months ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt the track coming out after this next season. It seems to me i remember reading that they are putting a track only facility on the west campus. Maybe I am the only one of you wanna be's that pay attention to footballl in this town.

Andrew Boyd 9 years, 3 months ago

I have not lost passion for the kansas jayhawks football program i have traveled to the last three bowl games. i just think that when their is a division 2 football facility in your own state that is nicer than memorial stadium i think it a little sad. i will give kansas credit memorial stadium is a very nice facility better than arrowhead, and again my i remind you not 10 years ago memorial hand dirt floors and was very daek and dingy.

Andrew Boyd 9 years, 3 months ago

Jack for your information i have been going to kansas football games since the mid 90's my parents have been going since the 70s so dont be accusing me of being a band wagon fan. i am far from that. also that division 2 team i keep talking about has 2 national football championships which in no case of division im pretty sure a national championship is only beat by a national championship at the next level which kansas football dose not have.

Andrew Boyd 9 years, 3 months ago

Mabey you should attend a game at Pittsburg state you might be suprised. they have a fan fest type tailgate at every game something Kansas dose not have. the team walks to the stadium through the parking lot something they have done since the 70's another thing kansas dosent do. the band hold a concert at the tailgate. and the stadium has been full for almost every game for decades. tradition i think that speaks tradition. so jack take it and shove it. kansas needs to progress like the rest of the big 12. we have one of the oldest stadiums in the country. its time to make it look like a first class facility for a first class football program.

Andrew Boyd 9 years, 3 months ago

Kansas football has only one true tradition and it involves the band running on to the feild during pregame. Mabey it is time that you start thinking about what Kansas can be and stop living what it was. Times change and if you don't change with them you get left behind.

Andrew Boyd 9 years, 3 months ago

Then if you belive that than you must not like kansas basketball. am i right if it would function just fine without a football team than woulden't it do just fine with out basketball? wrong Kansas even released their enrolment has gone up because of athletics.

deskboy04 9 years, 3 months ago

Thank goodness for Arrowhead and the annual tradition of MU/KU.

Andrew Boyd 9 years, 3 months ago

actually kansas university athletics is a privet orginization. all of it facilitys on campus are paid for privetly. and none of use in lawrence are paying for those stadiums in jackson county mo

pelliott 9 years, 3 months ago

I agree it is a privet (privet (priv′it)nounany of a genus (Ligustrum) of shrubs or trees of the olive family, with bluish-black berries and spikes of white flowers, often grown for hedges; esp., the common privet and a waste of energy.). Give it a break, the community is hurt by the rah rah sports culture.

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