Archive for Tuesday, February 17, 2009

Senate passes bill banning smoking statewide; doctor says move bodes well for cancer center designation

February 17, 2009, 4:01 p.m. Updated February 17, 2009, 4:13 p.m.


— A bill that would ban smoking in most public places in Kansas could help in the effort to attain national designation for the Kansas University Cancer Center.

That’s according to Dr. Roy Jensen, director of the KU Cancer Center.

“It’s helpful in that it confirms that the Legislature is thinking about the problem of cancer in Kansas from a very comprehensive standpoint,” Jensen said. KU plans to apply in 2011 for cancer center designation from the National Cancer Institute.

On Tuesday, the state Senate voted 26-13 for the bill that would apply a statewide prohibition of smoking in bars, restaurants, workplaces and government buildings.

But the bill’s prospects are iffy in the Kansas House.

Jensen acknowledged that the legislation faces stiffer opposition in the House, but said, “It’s important to keep moving the ball forward.”

Health officials said that 4,000 Kansans die each year from smoking-related illnesses and about 300 of those are from secondhand smoke.


jayhawker2008 9 years, 1 month ago

Nice to know they got something accomplished today... now if they can work on state paychecks!

kamyssa2000 9 years, 1 month ago

How many people die a year from second hand drinking (some drunk hitting them w/ a car), why don't they ban drinking!

kamyssa2000 9 years, 1 month ago

and I forgot to add, I don't even smoke so I'm not supporting that either!

Evan Ridenour 9 years, 1 month ago

Your argument doesn't make any sense kamyssa2000. Drinking and driving is illegal already while smoking indoors (and subjecting everyone around you to hundreds of toxins and carcinogens is NOT illegal... YET).

Shelley Bock 9 years, 1 month ago

If "No night games" Marion asks the question, it isn't worth answering.

Bob Burton 9 years, 1 month ago

Bad idea.. There was a study done in Europe that said it is going to cost a lot more in medical expense's if we stamp out smoking.. Something about living longer means it will cost a lot more to take care you..

Flap Doodle 9 years, 1 month ago

Put your black hat on girlfriend & head uptown.

fosso 9 years, 1 month ago

WTF? I Smoke. >I am and adult, I know the consequences< I drive a car. I know the consequences. Put a running car in my bar/business/restaurant. Watch everyone die. Oh, wait carbon monoxide is OK, odorless. Burning tobacco just has a >smell<. Smoker's second hand smoke is blown waaaay out of proportion. Ban all fossil fuel powered vehicles in Kansas NOW! They hurt more (second hand) than us heavily taxed nicotine addicted people. Big Gov is the end of this once great country.

If you don't want to go to a smoking establishment, don't GO. Should totally be a business owner's choice and the patrons!

fosso 9 years, 1 month ago

and don't use >< on LJW . Seems to mess up all you typed.

fosso 9 years, 1 month ago

Carbon monoxide from cars is more of a health hazard than tobacco leafs burning. That was supposed to be my statement.

It's just the "eww that smells" factor.

gccs14r 9 years, 1 month ago


you're misinformed. Cigarettes are about ten times more polluting than car exhaust in both particulate matter and in carbon monoxide emissions.

The_Voice_of_Reason 9 years, 1 month ago

How about banning McDonalds or any fast food joint? How about banning alcohol and all bars? Banning cars anyone? How about banning salt or soft drinks? How about banning every single thing in this world that is in any way shape or form "bad" for us???? I'm not really for or against this ban but I think big brother needs to take a big flippin hike out of personal choices in this country of ours...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 1 month ago

"Bad idea.. There was a study done in Europe that said it is going to cost a lot more in medical expense's if we stamp out smoking.. Something about living longer means it will cost a lot more to take care you.."

By that logic, we should just require anyone with a life-threatening and/or expensive-to-treat illness to commit suicide (tobacco smoking is merely slow suicide, after all.)

monkeyhawk 9 years, 1 month ago

"A serious public health threat had to be manufactured, and in 1993 the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) stepped in to the rescue with their bogus environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) study that says secondhand tobacco smoke is a class A carcinogenic.

Why is it bogus? The EPA claimed that 3,000 Americans die annually from secondhand smoke, but there was a problem. They couldn't come up with that conclusion using the standard statistical 95 percent confidence interval. They lowered their study's confidence interval to 90 percent. That has the effect of doubling the margin of error and doubling the probability that mere chance explains those 3,000 deaths."

Jason Nowak 9 years, 1 month ago

The senate should NOT have the right to pass a bill for a state wide smoking ban. Those of us who smoke made the decision to smoke, The owners of the individual businesses should be allowed to decide if their establishment is going to be smoking or non-smoking. If you don't like places that allow smoking, then stay out. Go somewhere else it is that simple. I am going to leave instructions for my wife that if I get deathly ill from pneumona, then she is to SUE the state of kansas for making me go outside in the winter time.

janeyb 9 years, 1 month ago

Why crispysn? Does your wife make you smokie outside? You are free to smoke as much as you want in your own home. Just keep it at home.

"The answer is to make everything fun illegal"

So LarryNative thinks drinkng and driving is fun? Such irresponsibility is why there is a need for the laws.

RonBurgandy 9 years, 1 month ago

Oh no! I can't smoke anywhere I want to? Boo hoo!

Smoking is gross, you stink and you make everyone else stink.

Just take your own advise and stay home if you can't smoke at a bar or a restaurant.

jonas_opines 9 years, 1 month ago

"Oh no! I can't smoke anywhere I want to? Boo hoo!"

Oh no, I can't go anywhere I want to and never get exposed to anything that I think is gross! Boo hoo!

"Smoking is gross, you stink and you make everyone else stink."

Well, at least you're honest enough to admit that the petulant "icky" position is more important that this potentially illusory "health" issue, in regards to smoking in public places.

"Just take your own advise and stay home if you can't smoke at a bar or a restaurant."

Why don't we compromise. Smokers stay home and smoke all days but Tuesdays so as not to bother the rest of us. Anti-smoking "icky" whiners can stay home and pontificate all days but Thursdays so as not to bother the rest of us.; The rest of us can then have 5 days free from both smoke and petulant whiners, and everybody is happy, except the whiners who are never happy.

Kat Christian 9 years, 1 month ago

LarryNative I agree with you. It's like 'they' are trying to create a world where everyone is the SAME and there are cliques - no competition everyone dresses, talks, mannerisms, behavior even what they eat is alike. Should someone think outside the box they are chastised or outcast. This behavior is sited in our sociology books in business about group behavior. My feeling is about smoking as in someone overweight eating a bag of chips. That's their business. I may not like looking at obese people with fat hanging out of their clothes or see someone with a cigarette hanging out of their month with brown teeth, so I look away - that's they way they want to live I have no right to impede on it. That has been the American way - freedom - the right to live your life as long as you do not impede on other's peace and pursuit to happiness. People drunk should not drive and the public education about this is a good thing. I have concerns with people who smoke and live in apartments but we have no right to control how people live. My feeling if you don't like it then don't go near it. They tried to ban alcohol once and look at the mess that made so I doubt that would ever happen unless our government announced Marshall Law in the whole United States. Then that would undermine our Constitution, what it stands for and the freedom of this Nation. So now they ban smoking but are deciding about passing a bill where you can drink alcohol walking around. Has this government lost it's senses?Another point is this germaphobia propaganda that's spreading around and causing hypocandra (sp?) in everyone. Grant it I don't like dirty/smelly people but I'm not going to turn into a Howard Hughes about touching things for fear of dying from it. Lack of faith, lack of faith - I feel when it is my time God will take me, but until then I'm going to LIVE. There is a saying "the brave die young, but without courage you never live at all."

Jason Nowak 9 years, 1 month ago


"Just keep it at home" Because I shouldn't have to. I am not against the smoking ban in certain places. Restaurants, family places stuff like that, but bars, come on. People have been smoking in bars for years. When it all started they said it was to protect the people working there who don't smoke from 2nd hand smoke, well guess what, you applied to work at a bar, you knew what you were getting into. Just because they are too stupid to get a job elsewhere, I am supposed to change my habits to make them happy. Hell No. As far as smoking at home goes, My wife doesn't make me go outside, I just choose not to smoke at home.

kmat 9 years, 1 month ago

Sounds more like the whiners are the smokers, not the other way around.

The stupid statements about how we need to ban fast food and booze since you think this smoking law is creating a nanny state are ridiculous. You eating a burger doesn't affect my health. You having a drink doesn't affect my health, as long as you don't drive. You smoking in an enclosed space does affect my health.

I used to smoke, heavily. I was smart enough after 20 years to quit. Best thing I ever did. You smokers have no idea how disgusting it is until you stop. My father chain smokes and I have terrible allergies that now start up when I have to be in his house. His smoke does affect me and your smoking does affect those around you. If you can't be grown up enough to respect others and smoke outside, then the law gets to tell you that it is the correct thing to do. Sorry. Your right to smoke doesn't trump my right to breath. You can still smoke, you just have to take it outside.

I find it amusing that crispy thinks that everyone else should have to live with his smoke in enclosed, public spaces, but yet doesn't smoke inside his house. Hmmmm. It's nasty to smoke inside your house, but you expect the rest of us to have to put up with your nasty habit in enclosed, public places? You aren't going to make your family suffer, just everyone else around you. Nice.

RonBurgandy 9 years, 1 month ago

"Well, at least you're honest enough to admit that the petulant “icky” position is more important that this potentially illusory “health” issue, in regards to smoking in public places."

Nah, I believe there is a health issue. However, you are damn right that it is a "icky" position as well. Things are heading towards more and more smoking bans and you can fight and complain about it if you want, but it will continue to move in that direction.

You can call people "icky whiners" but with as much complaining as the smokers do, it's basically a pot and kettle thing.

Oh well, I'll enjoy my time in more and more smoke-free restaurants.

Jason Nowak 9 years, 1 month ago

bndairdundat Stupid was a pretty harsh word, my apoligies. My point is that if they apply to work at a bar, they knew what they are getting into. If they are that concerned about their health, then apply somewhere else. I should not have to change my habits just to make someone else happy. I should not have to be pointed out and segregated for smoking. If you do not smoke and want to get something to drink, hey there is a liquor store around every corner in this town. Last time I checked, every person had the right to choose for themselves what they wanted to do, but I guess not anymore. Now we are told and ordered what to do like drones and it is rediculous.

kmat 9 years, 1 month ago

Hey crispy - listen real hard. Your arguement is that YOU shouldn't have to change your habits. Yes, everything in this world should be catered to what makes YOU happy. Who cares if it is detrimental to others health, YOUR happiness is what's important.

You shouldn't be segregated. Well, since smokers are in the minority, yes you should be the one's that are segregated. You are doing something that is harmful to others. Live with the fact that you will be segregated.

Whiners! No one is telling you that you can't smoke, just telling you to take it outiside like anyone with manners would already be doing.

gccs14r 9 years, 1 month ago

It's only a matter of time before tobacco is illegal outright. We should stop screwing around with incremental bans and just outlaw tobacco tomorrow.

spankyandcranky 9 years, 1 month ago

Glad to hear it. Hope it passes in the house as well. I don't have a problem with people smoking -- that's their decision. But I don't like breathing their smoke ... and they smoke EVERYWHERE!! I live in Lawrence, and you still get bombarded with smoke when you go in and out of bars. But at least it's not around constantly anymore.

maetl 9 years, 1 month ago

rdragon, you hit it right on the head.

I smoke, and am trying to quit because I know it's not good for my body, and it is also expensive.

But that said, I would never tell another individual that he couldn't smoke, because I don't like it. I don't like the idea of cell phones causing cancer in my brain, so I think there should be designated cell phone areas that I can CHOOSE to stay away from. I don't like the fact that most of the food we eat has enough preservatives and chemicals in it that we're all going to get cancer anyhow, so maybe we should ban processed food. When does it end, you know?

There is a common courtesy argument involved. I have no problem smoking outside. I do so on my own property because I don't like the smell inside, nor the smoke staining my walls. But I enjoy smoking, and I excercise the right to do so.

The same should be applied in public. Smoke outside, don't blow in people's faces, try to avoid smoking in cramped areas like a bus stop, etc. Be polite. But don't infringe on people's rights to do as they wish.

My main problem right now with smoking bans is that it excludes public places in which the owners are ok about smoking. As I see it, a bar owners shop is an extension of his home. It is HIS property.

Thus, building owners should be allowed to say "yes, smoking is allowed in my establishment that I own." As a customer, you are allowed to choose whether or not to support that establishment with your business based on smoking, or anything else.

So if you're concerned with the horrid effects of "second hand" smoke, don't go in. If you think it's "icky" don't go in. Go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking.

If this bill goes into effect, it better allow for private business to authorize smoking on their facilities, because a complete ban as the anti-smoker's wish is complete crap.

estespark 9 years, 1 month ago

matel - Now you're just being silly. A bar owner's shop is not an extension of his own home.

kmat 9 years, 1 month ago

rddragon needs a smoke break. You're getting pissed and using analogies that don't apply here. YOUR smoke can cause me harm. Your above rant is just plain stupid.

And so many are complaining about the bar owners losing their rights. Where are the bar owners? Why aren't they on here complaining? Only pissed off smokers are whining.

estespark 9 years, 1 month ago

Who really cares. Smoking is bad and I'm tired of breathing someone's exhaust while at a bar or restaurant. This is a concept most people can get behind. My suggestion is to embrace any smoking ban and save your breath for a true infringement of personal rights and/or property rights.

Where did the smoker's sense of entitlement come from? People haven't been able to smoke on planes or in the workplace for years...and I wonder why?

MyOpinionCounts 9 years, 1 month ago

Dear Smoker,

When science allows you to contain your smoke within your own "bubble" and I don't have to smell it or breathe it, then you should be allowed to smoke where ever you want. Until then, smoking should be banned in all public venues.

classclown 9 years, 1 month ago

Does Obama go outside the White House every time he lights up?

RBAK 9 years, 1 month ago

LarryNative, you really think that this was passed becuase "all these boring people who sit at home do not want the rest of us to have fun anymore because it makes them feel like losers?" Really? I choose not to poison my body smoking. Why do you have the right to do so? Smokers always complain about their rights being taken away. What about mine as a non-smoker? No-one is forcing you to quit. Nor is this a complete prohibition of cigarettes which would NEVER pass and we all know that.

And all the people who say that we should ban soda and candy and all that other crap. There is a fundamental difference between smoking and those things. If I dont want candy or soda I dont buy it. If I dont want preservatives in my food I will buy organic products. Smoking on the other hand puts other people in danger. Thats the issue. Someone else's habit harming others.

lilgbear 9 years, 1 month ago

I'm a smoker and can see how a smoking ban could be a good thing, but why can't they just ban it for a set amount of hours then make it up to the owners. Like no smoking until 9pm, then non smokers can choose to stay at the place or go to a non-smoking place. I just think it's funny with all this fighting because I know that there are non-smoking bars/clubs in my town and they are never busy or fun and it seems that non-smokers want to party at smoking bars/clubs to have fun just without the smoke. I just wish they would think that maybe it's the fact that there is no bans at these places and that is what makes these bars/clubs soo fun.

denak 9 years, 1 month ago

Personally, I would love to see a smoking ban in resturants. I never go to Topeka to eat anymore because Topeka still allows smoking. I don't care how far away I am seated, I can still smell it and I end up getting a headache. So, I happy to hear that this might happen.

However, I am not unreasonable. I do think there should be some exception for bars/dance clubs.

As for the cancer center, this is what this is really all about. The health of Kansans is probably second to getting a nationally recognized cancer centered. The jobs and the prestige that is would bring is much more important than a person's "right to smoke." So, if a public smoking ban is what is needed to get it, I say "go ahead."


Meatwad 9 years, 1 month ago

Good. Smoke should be outdoors, not inside. No big deal.

saoirseglen 9 years, 1 month ago

Ban the smoke and particulate laden exhaust coming from the T buses please. While we are at it, ban the same from all the school buses too.

I am bothered by that more than smokers and their cigarettes. I have to turn off my heater morning and night while driving in traffic. If I were hot I could at least use the recirculating setting on the air conditioning segment of the system to move the air in the cabin.

But if the state wants to go this far, why not eliminate all tobacco taxes and also ban the sale, purchase, use, consumption and possession of tobacco products? Why all this waste of time? Then we can do the same for all alcohol products.

gccs14r 9 years, 1 month ago

I have to turn off the blower or put it on recirc when I get stuck behind a smoker in traffic. It's really bad when sitting at a long light. Keep your windows rolled up so you can marinate in your smoke without gagging the rest of us.

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