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Deep shame

A recent investigation reveals the Pentagon’s horrible judgment regarding Humvees and their capabilities.

February 7, 2009

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The headline in Wednesday’s USA Today is a shameful indictment: “Pentagon ignored Humvee warnings: ‘94 report: Combat vehicle a ‘deathtrap.’”

We’re then told that U.S. Army and Marine Corps officials knew nearly a decade before the invasion of Iraq that the workhorse Humvee vehicle was a major hazard to troops even with armor added to protect it against roadside bombs.

This disgraceful evaluation comes from an inspector general’s report. Data distributed throughout the Army and Marine Corps after the Persian Gulf War in 1991 and the Somalia venture in 1994 urged the development of armored vehicles to avoid the devastation of roadside bombs and land mines. However, according to the report, the Pentagon failed to act.

How many lives were lost or how many combatants suffered crippling injuries because of this glaring ignorance of valid data?

Desperate U.S. troops added makeshift armor to their Humvees, and the Pentagon reportedly took action to retrofit the vehicles with better protection after the threat of roadside bombs escalated in 2003 and 2004. Yet the retrofitted Humvees remained vulnerable to various explosive devices because of the vehicles’ “flat bottom, low weight, low ground clearance and aluminum body,” the inspector general reported.

In 1994, valid reports showed that the Pentagon chose to bypass data saying that Humvees “even with a mine-protection retrofit kit developed for Somalia remained a deathtrap in the event of an anti-tank mine detonation.”

We’re told that the Pentagon deemed it impractical to develop the needed fleet. The military had spent hundreds of millions on Humvees, and drawn-out ground wars, which is precisely what was encountered in Iraq, were seen as a thing of the past. Adaptability was a joke.

Even now, with better equipment, troops suffer four times more casualties from roadside bombs while riding in Humvees instead of the mine-resistant vehicles they really need. Now we’re told the Pentagon plans to field an all-terrain armored vehicle to provide off-road maneuverability and enough armor to deflect the growing threat of roadside bombs in Afghanistan. Yet even these vehicles do not negate the great risk to the people we send into action, since 722 Americans were wounded and 161 killed in 2008 missions.

It is tragic enough that even our best and latest equipment is not as effective as it needs to be in combating bombings and mine impact. Consider how many have suffered needlessly because the Pentagon was so cavalier in those days when better equipment was badly needed.

This is a disgrace and there should be deep shame over this gross mismanagement. Decision-makers need to be brought to the forefront and held accountable.

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 2 months ago

Then Corey, I suggest you read Bernie Goldberg's at least two books about liberal media bias, Bernie, a fomer CBS soldier himself. I suggest you read up on David Horowitz, who used to be another version of Bill Ayers and a self-confessed Marxist. Come out of your haze, Corey.

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jayhawklawrence 5 years, 2 months ago

Verity:Thanks for correcting my mistake.

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Corey Williams 5 years, 2 months ago

Mr_Nancy_Boy_To_You (Tom Shewmon) says…"More for you Corey, because I'm sure you'll brand MRC as a right-wing nut outfit and not bother to read the extensive material they provide proving their case of bias."Every single link you put up from the Media Research Center did not mean a thing when I went to the "about the MRC" section and saw that fool L. Brent Bozell 3's name. Where it says they perceived a liberal bias in the media, but could only find "anecdotal evidence of liberal journalists' bias..." but that the "anecdotal examples of bias do not prove a liberal agenda." So L Brent Bozell 3 took the steps to develop the News Tracking System,"a custom-designed computer database and archiving system that today provides the conservative movement's now-thriving media personalities and the public alike, with the evidence necessary to confront the liberal media." The fact that Bozell is involved at all means that anything on the site is junk in my opinion, due to the moronic and vapid editorials he has written.The sad thing is that you get your "proof" from that site. It shows your beliefs to be farther right than the average person, but that's fine. You can have your opinion just like I can have mine. But to blame all of your perceived woes of this country on the liberal media is laziness. You're tilting at windmills, which is exactly what politicians on both sides want. To keep you busy without actually doing anything. While you're here on these boards railing about this liberal biased media they keep telling you about, are you actually doing anything to change things? Not just you, but everyone on these boards. They all have opinions about the way things ought to be, but they get the satisfaction of letting everyone here know their opinion and that seems to be the end of it. Nothing ever changes because none of this means a thing.Oh, and Tom, I love it when you get so mad you resort to name calling. It's nice to know that you're still stuck in the elementary playground, mentally.

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jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

Thanks for supporting my point, Right-thinker.

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verity 5 years, 2 months ago

jafs---"The comments on this story illustrate why we never get anywhere solving our problems."jayhawklawrence---"I prefer to see us as Americans rather [than] a polarization of left wingers and right wingers. This mindset is little better than a form of mental illness . . ." What they said.

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 2 months ago

Not true Jonas. I fully realize I'm a staunch Republican and I fully realize the O'Reillys and Hannitys and Limbaughs and Coulters and Ingrahams and Becks are not following the liberal guidebook. But again, the bulk of the big player mainstream media guys are in the tank for the Democratic Party. And again, the ridiculous way in which these liberal commentators and journalists gushed over BO was the icing on the cake so to speak. This of course after eight years of hateful daily diatribes against Bush, who they hated from day one or before. It's all out there for everyone to see in the light of day.

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jayhawklawrence 5 years, 2 months ago

We should keep in mind that the KGB and other spy agencies around the world have been attacking us with disinformation since the time of Lenin and Mao. What better battleground to attack in our democracy than the ones that control our minds.The media and our educational system. These have all been used by our enemies.If a nation cannot support it's elected commander in chief than we just put ourself in a weaker position. I prefer to see us as Americans rather a polarization of left wingers and right wingers. This mindset is little better than a form of mental illness in my view and makes us vulnerable to manipulation by forces within and outside of our country.Support your President.

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jafs 5 years, 2 months ago

The comments on this story illustrate why we never get anywhere solving our problems.If Clinton ignored this information, he was wrong to do so.However, the information has been there for over 10 years - some other folks must have ignored it as well, no?Also, I'm not clear on who make the decisions on a practical level - perhaps the Pentagon does.The point is, rather than pointing fingers and trying to find blame, we should be correcting the situation.

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 2 months ago

More for you Corey, because I'm sure you'll brand MRC as a right-wing nut outfit and not bother to read the extensive material they provide proving their case of bias. http://www.mediaresearch.org/whatsnew.asp

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jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

"You don't know you're a (direction)-wing zealot. You never will and therefor you can't spot bias if it hit you between the eyes." Right-thinker.Phreaow! It's too early for that kind of irony.

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 2 months ago

And Corey, it's widely accepted the liberal media, after eight years of Bush Derangement Syndrome, hit critical corrupt liberal media mass during the election cycle in 2008. They were deeply infatuated with Obama. You are clueless if you don't know that media bias is off the charts. It's also the same in higher education (and primary education) with nearly 80% of professors admitting to being liberal in ideology. http://www.mediaresearch.org/archive/nq/welcome.asp

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madmike 5 years, 2 months ago

The HUMMV was never designed to be a heavile armed escort vehicle. It was merely a replacement for the M151A2 Jeep! As in most wars, soldiers started jury-rigging them as we did with gun trucks in Vietnam. As for Logrithmic's insanity, I therefore must assume that Corey Williams is in the conspiracy theorist crowd, so go figure.

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notajayhawk 5 years, 2 months ago

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says… "Top responses to a column about the Pentagon's failure to heed a report in 1994?""Survey says:1. Clinton hates our soldiers"Refresh my memory - who was the president in 1994? Seems like this report was completed, and ignored, while ol' Bill was the commander-in-chief.

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Corey Williams 5 years, 2 months ago

Actually, Tom, in the first seven pages of your posts, going all the way back to February 3rd (you do have a lot of time on your hands, don't you?), the only posts you made with any links to outside pages, they were to youtube. Why don't you back up your crazy claims? Too busy looking up videos on youtube?

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Corey Williams 5 years, 2 months ago

Mr_Nancy_Boy_To_You (Tom Shewmon) says…"I've backed them up hundreds of times Corey, but a vampire can't see his/her reflection in a mirror, so it's pointless."I've never seen you post anything that could prove your point about a possible media bias. If you've done it before, then it won't be hard to do it again, will it?"You don't know you're a left-wing zealot. You never will and therefor you can't spot bias if it hit you between the eyes."Let me rephrase that and tell it back to you: You don't know you're a right-wing zealot. You never will and therefore you can't spot bias if it it you between the eyes.

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Tom Miller 5 years, 2 months ago

...deepsigh...d_mn, log...at least you are consistant...

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rusty2 5 years, 2 months ago

read how the pentagon under W learned to love & pay for the weapons that nobody wanted / sold by the Carlyle Group (King Fahd & buddies)http://www.villagevoice.com/2002-04-30/news/the-carlyle-connection/1

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rusty2 5 years, 2 months ago

read more about the Carlyle Group, they recently lost control of the White House.avoid a terrorist attack in August 2001? nah.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_...

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rusty2 5 years, 2 months ago

thanks logrhythmic......commondreams is a great website.in the 80's Cheney/Rumsfeld would be a quagmire --and later changed their tune, for profit.

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rusty2 5 years, 2 months ago

GM knew about this from day one of making these vehicles.lots of money in WAR.just ask Herbert Walker Bush, agent for Carlyle Group,his son W, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice, Frank Carlucci Carlyle Group and Bush I dept of defense,James Baker III also Carlyle Group,Fred Malek Carlyle Group,all of these promoted the WAR in Iraq for profit.

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 2 months ago

I've backed them up hundreds of times Corey, but a vampire can't see his/her reflection in a mirror, so it's pointless. You don't know you're a left-wing zealot. You never will and therefor you can't spot bias if it hit you between the eyes. Same goes for beoCB.

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beobachter 5 years, 2 months ago

Tom posts same crap over and over, facts be damned. Every screwup W has ever made is the fault of the liberal media. He doesn't feel he needs to post facts, just scream it's liberal media who's responsible. He needs to stick to his compound off Kill Creek Road and tend to his gigolo duties. Otherwise he may wind up looking for a new job. Too bad he appears to represent averag right wig nutcase and that is why Republicans have a real image problem.

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Corey Williams 5 years, 2 months ago

Can't you back up your own statements?

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Corey Williams 5 years, 2 months ago

Mr_Nancy_Boy_To_You (Tom Shewmon) says…"... followed by a rabid Bush hating corrupt liberal media/blogosphere for the following eight years..."Come on Tom, I've asked for this before; but even though you continually fail to follow through, I'll ask again. Give me one article that shows a proof of liberal bias. Just one that will show me the "corrupt liberal media" beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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Corey Williams 5 years, 2 months ago

madmike (Anonymous) says…"He is crazy as a $hithouse rat!!!"Since your posts indicate you seem to be stuck in grade school, madmike, let me counter your argument: It takes one to know one.

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slappedyomomma 5 years, 2 months ago

this article is complete and utter rubish. not because of "liberal bias" or "neocon lies", but because the author knows absolutely nothing about military hardware and the difference between fighting in Iraq in '91 and fighting in Iraq NOW.a few idiotic statements from this article:“even with a mine-protection retrofit kit developed for Somalia remained a deathtrap in the event of an anti-tank mine detonation.” ---- wow, imagine that! a 3-ton vehicle is unable to withstand the blast from a mine designed to obliterate a 60-ton MBT (main battle tank). if the largest armored vehicle in the army's arsenal will not stand up to an ANTI-TANK mine, then how can anyone expect a multi-purpose light truck to do the same? "Even now, with better equipment, troops suffer four times more casualties from roadside bombs while riding in Humvees instead of the mine-resistant vehicles they really need." ---- first of all, how does a "mine-resistant" vehicle protect you from a roadside bomb? very different apparatus'. secondly, "mine-resistant" is simply that, RESISTANT. it does not mean that it will completely negate the effects of a miine. thirdly, maybe increased casualties are because of the change in counter-insurgency policy by the US military during the surge. our troops are amongst the Iraqis more now. they are not shielded as well to bullets or bombs. the soldier manning the crew-served weapon (machine gun) on top of the vehicle is extremely vulnerable.also, there was much documentation about how the insurgency's tactics and equipment were becoming much more sophisticated (Iran's contribution?). they began using double stacked mines, 150mm artillery shells, and RPG's (rocket propelled grenades) for their roadside bombs and mines (an artillery shell will destroy a tank with a direct impact). the bombs they are talking about are not simple "pipe bombs". they put them under dead bodies and in dead animals and when our people go to clean up the mess, BOOM!my best friend's brother was in Falujah in '04 when things started getting really nasty. his Bradley Fighting Vehicle was hit with an RPG and it blew his leg off above the knee. another guy lost an arm. if their APC (armored personel carrier) which cost $3.2 million can't withstand a shaped-charge weapon, how do they expect a humvee which cost $60,000 to do the same?the Humvee clearly isn't designed for what it is being used for (urban warfare). but how would opponents of the war have reacted if Bush or the Generals asked for the funds to design and build a new vehicle that would better serve these purposes? they would have laughed in their faces, despite their pledge of "supporting the troops but not the war".

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spankyandcranky 5 years, 2 months ago

Articles like this are almost completely pointless. It brings to light a problem, barely offers a suggestion on how to solve it, and doesn't give any further information on how to follow through with that suggestion. "Decision-makers need to be brought to the forefront and held accountable." OK, how are we, the readers, supposed to make THAT happen? No specific names of who or how to contact are given. Helpful? No. I don't think so. If you just want to wine, go to a bar. When you've come up with a plan involving some action, let us know.

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madmike 5 years, 2 months ago

I am convinced that logrithmic is in an assylum and has access to the internet. If not, it is high time he is locked up for his own good! He is crazy as a $hithouse rat!!!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 2 months ago

"Prepare for a huge increase in the number of officers retiring, and of academy graduates doing “five and out.” "If the "war" department is turned a true defense department, along with a cut in its budget of about 70%, they really should be looking for something productive and useful to do with their time, anyway.

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 2 months ago

Logicsound04, after eight disgraceful and dangerous years of Clinton loathing the military and allowing to let terrorism foment while getting bj's in the whitehouse, followed by a rabid Bush hating corrupt liberal media/blogosphere for the following eight years, followed by the fairy-tale election of BO, whatrya gonna do? There I covered all bases for you.

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PROAMERICA 5 years, 2 months ago

logrithmic (Annoyance) is one stupid son-of-a bitch!!

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logicsound04 5 years, 2 months ago

Top responses to a column about the Pentagon's failure to heed a report in 1994?Survey says:1. Clinton hates our soldiers2. Obama is a horrible President3. The corrupt liberal media...

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Mixolydian 5 years, 2 months ago

Wow, how did we ever win WWII in the puny little Jeep, or the under powered thin duece and a half or the under gunned sherman against the panzer?

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Godot 5 years, 2 months ago

Logrithmic, treason is being committed this weekend by the Federal Reserve Chairman and the Treasury Secretary - are you going to call for their heads?

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Godot 5 years, 2 months ago

Prepare for a huge increase in the number of officers retiring, and of academy graduates doing "five and out." This is the Clinton years on steroids. This just shows Obama up to be a double dealer again. Of course, I did not believe him when he said he would listen to the commanders in the field, I knew that one was a bald faced lie.

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Hydra 5 years, 2 months ago

Newsflash!!! Humvees won't stand up to anti-tank mines!!Special report brought to you by Hydra:I have learned that planes cannot stand up to anti-aircraft missles!.. Ships can actually be sunk by torpedos!Buildings collaspe when explosive are planted!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 2 months ago

Decisions about the use of military power are almost always completely political, and as such, require little "military" knowledge. The previous administration proved without a doubt that their arrogant stupidity and corruption in political matters carried over in their decisions in military matters.

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 2 months ago

"Petraeus was visibly unhappy when he left the Oval Office, according to one of the sources."First comment. Most likely because Petraeus for the first time, realized the true depth and breadth of BO's military knowledge; which is zilch, and this also most likely caused Petraeus to have a deep sense of grave concern. Second comment. This should scare the mother-lovin' bejesus out of each and every one of you.

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i_tching 5 years, 2 months ago

The purpose of our troops is not to win battles and wars. Rather, they are supposed to simply die while taking as much high-priced equipment as possible along with them into the afterworld.Thusly are wars and military no-bid contracts made everlasting.

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logrithmic 5 years, 2 months ago

People should understand that beyond the military's control of the media, it is now seeking to actively undermine the commander in chief:http://www.alternet.org/story/125795/...From link:"A network of senior military officers is also reported to be preparing to support Petraeus and Odierno by mobilizing public opinion against Obama's decision.Petraeus was visibly unhappy when he left the Oval Office, according to one of the sources. A White House staffer present at the meeting was quoted by the source as saying, "Petraeus made the mistake of thinking he was still dealing with George Bush instead of with Barack Obama.""And:"The opening argument by the Petraeus-Odierno faction against Obama's withdrawal policy was revealed the evening of the Jan. 21 meeting when retired Army Gen. Jack Keane, one of the authors of the Bush troop surge policy and a close political ally and mentor of Gen. Petraeus, appeared on the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer to comment on Obama's pledge on Iraq combat troop withdrawal.Keane, who had certainly been briefed by Petraeus on the outcome of the Oval Office meeting, argued that implementing such a withdrawal of combat troops would "increase the risk rather dramatically over the 16 months." He asserted that it would jeopardize the "stable political situation in Iraq" and called that risk "not acceptable."The assertion that Obama's withdrawal policy threatens the gains allegedly won by the Bush surge and Petraeus' strategy in Iraq will apparently be the theme of the campaign that military opponents are now planning."Folks, this treason should not be tolerated. It's time for Obama to fire these military soldiers that are so insubordinate or find room for them in Gitmo.God bless!

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tumbilweed 5 years, 2 months ago

We should revert to the stone age. That would take care of soccer moms and humvees and finger pointing. We'd be too busy hunting and gathering to care about any of this B.S.Goin' outside to play with rocks and sticks, later!

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notajayhawk 5 years, 2 months ago

Poor little logrithmic. Never let the facts get in the way of a good BDS-rant.For the edification of logrithmic - and the LTE writer - the MRAPs don't completely stop roadside bombs, either - and they knew about that years ago.http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-05-31-mrap-insurgents_N.htm?csp=34Of course, now everyone is jumping on the MRAP bandwagon. Think of the bright side the LTE writer and loggie can save your comments from above, and ten years from now, when troops get killed in the MRAPs, you can just respost the same drivel by just changing 'Humvee' to 'MRAP.'Still and all, the MRAP is better than the Humvee - at least it is for now, until the lighten it to make it a better offroad vehicle for Afghanistan (lighten=less armor). And I agree that it was unconscionable for Congress to try to hold up funding a while back to ship them to Iraq - thanks in no small way to Jack Murtha (pssst - loggie - he's a Democrat). I'm glad the loggies of the world are coming 'round - when they want to know why there's no money for their universal healthcare plans and other entitlements, hopefully they'll remember screaming vehemently for replacing all the modern-day Jeeps of the armed forces with ones that cost over a million dollars apiece.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 2 months ago

"The Carter administration, the Clinton administration, and now, maybe the Obama administration put the men and women of the United States military at risk."Is there a reason for the rather glaring omissions in this list?

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purplesage 5 years, 2 months ago

How does this degenerate into a forum on tax cuts or more spending? GM, recipient of government bail-out funds, built these things and the military bought them. There is no excuse, at the design level, or at the decision to purchase an unsafe vehicle, for putting men and women at risk when it could be prevented. I read a few years ago that there were many HumVees without armor protection in service in the War on Terror. The Carter administration, the Clinton administration, and now, maybe the Obama administration put the men and women of the United States military at risk.

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 2 months ago

Global warming is the last thing anyone would need to worry about if this country went down the path left-wingers like logrithmimic wants to go.

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rusty_hearts_roulette 5 years, 2 months ago

It is a morning of the Log-and-Tom show. Time to go elsewhere.

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parrotuya 5 years, 2 months ago

The U.S. Army (except for a few units) and Marine Corps have refused to truly mechanize their infantry forces for years. Now that fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan involve traveling long distances, they are pressing whatever vehicles they have into service as a mechanized force. However, humvees were never meant to serve as combat vehicles, they are for transporting supplies and personnel. In fact, the U.S. military is still equipped and still attempting to fight a war with the now defunct Soviet Union. On the bright side, this nothing that a good old fashion tax cut won't cure! More tax cuts!More tax cuts!What did the strong-on-national-defense Republi-loser-cans say? More tax cuts to support our troops!I can't hear you! More tax cuts!Save lives. More tax cuts!Stop IED's. More tax cuts!PTSD. More tax cuts!Vets can't find jobs. More tax cuts! More, More, More!Whiny liberals running the Congress?MORE TAX CUTS!

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Larry_The_Moocher 5 years, 2 months ago

Seems if logrithmimic would get himself into a tax paying status... then he could complain. It also seems to me, that you should be in an income tax paying status to be able to vote.

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 2 months ago

Logrithmimic, you and many you know and their kids may still be breathing because of the existence of the Pentagon. I know, you would rather clear out the Pentagon and swell the UN to twice it's size, correct? You left-winger zealots are a trip!

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 2 months ago

Willy J. Clinton loathed the military and did anything possible to degrade our forces. He should be hauled into a senate inquiry and prosecuted for dereliction of duty. Willy was too busy pandering to gays, trying to stamp out our right to keep and bear arms, courting lobbyists, trying to keep Hillary's mouth closed and keeping her happy in the west wing, and yucking it up with the Hollywood elite. Then of course Willy couldn't keep his trousers on and well, the rest is history---until our soldiers needlessly got blown to bits because of his negligence. Where was the corrupt left-winger media then?I hope you left-wingers are happy.

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logrithmic 5 years, 2 months ago

Those rightwing idiots that think that all's well with the Pentagon, would be wise (if wisdom is in their purview) to read the words of Chalmers Johnson. He disproves the idea that the military is about "defending freedoms" and suggests that the price of our military is way out of line considering the protection it offers (see below). On a personal note, where was the military on 9-11? Asleep at the wheel? Why did they lie to the 9-11 commission under oath? These questions have yet to be answered by anyone.Look at all the money the rightwing has wasted on defense. Don't believe me? Check Johnson out:http://www.alternet.org/workplace/124…From the link:“It is hard to imagine any sector of the American economy more driven by ideology, delusion, and propaganda than the armed services. Many people believe that our military is the largest, best equipped, and most invincible among the world's armed forces. None of these things is true, but our military is, without a doubt, the most expensive to maintain. Each year, we Americans account for nearly half of all global military spending, an amount larger than the next 45 nations together spend on their militaries annually.”and“The inevitable day of reckoning, long predicted by Pentagon critics, has, I believe, finally arrived. Our problems are those of a very rich country which has become accustomed over the years to defense budgets that are actually jobs programs and also a major source of pork for the use of politicians in their reelection campaigns.Given the present major recession, whose depths remain unknown, the United States has better things to spend its money on than Nimitz-class aircraft carriers at a price of $6.2 billion each (the cost of the USS George H. W. Bush, launched in January 2009, our tenth such ship) or aircraft that can cruise at a speed of Mach 2 (1,352 miles per hour).”and:“For example, Northrop-Grumman's much touted B-2 stealth bomber has proven to be almost totally worthless. It is too delicate to deploy to harsh climates without special hangars first being built to protect it at ridiculous expense; it cannot fulfill any combat missions that older designs were not fully adequate to perform; and — at a total cost of $44.75 billion for only 21 bombers — it wastes resources needed for real combat situations.”Have a nice day!

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logrithmic 5 years, 2 months ago

Another reason to be concerned about military control of the press:http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-3...From link:"The Pentagon now spends more than $550 million a year — at least double the amount since 2003 — on public affairs, and that doesn't including personnel costs. Public affairs officers are, in the words of the military's training manual, a "perception management tool." Their job is to provide facts but not spin to American audiences and the American media.Over the past two years, the number of public affairs officers trained by the Defense Information School has grown by 24 percent to almost 3,500. The military is also expanding its Internet presence from 300 to 1,000 sites and increasing its free cable programming on the Pentagon Channel by 33 percent to 2,080 programs.Along with putting out its own messages, the public affairs arm tries to regulate what other media put out."Remember folks, the money they're using to control our information is OUR money! Ask Congress to end this now!Thanks and have a really nice day!

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75x55 5 years, 2 months ago

The humvee is a glorified all-terrain light truck. That is ALL it was ever supposed to be.When did you ever see a light truck that was resistant to ANTI-TANK mines? Guess what - the all-mighty evil empire US military doesn't have everything (and the best of everything) possible at it's immediate disposal. And, to point out the obvious, they took quite a budget hit in the years preceding the latest adventures. If this is such a terrible crime against our troops, then why don't ya'll demand some "stimulus" for better military equipment - that'll put some money in some "shovel-ready" jobs.....

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tangential_reasoners_anonymous 5 years, 2 months ago

"How many lives were lost or how many combatants suffered crippling injuries because of this glaring ignorance of valid data?"Are we still of the delusion that valid data or even lives are relevant in matters of war?

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logrithmic 5 years, 2 months ago

If you want to find out other things our military should be ashamed of, go here:He added: "Now is the time to resist the propaganda the Pentagon produces and live up to our obligation to question authority and thereby help protect our democracy."Curley said examining the Defense Department's spending on its public relations efforts and psychological operations is difficult because many of the budgets are classified.http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/02/07-4

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logrithmic 5 years, 2 months ago

The rightwing and their Pentagon continues to undermine democracy while waving the flag. And then we find out at they don't care about our troops?Beyond the example cited above, we know they trashed Walter Reed and other VA hospitals, procured weapons systems at great cost that simply do not work, and spied (and continue to spy) on the American people. Our military's actions need to be reigned in and downsized. We do not need 760 bases in 150 countries around the world. We also cannot afford it. We do not need to wage war in two/three countries either. There is no threat from either country to our nation. The rightwing simply lies when it says there is.Finally, Obama needs to bring insubordination in the military to a quick and decisive end. Word is that Petraeus and his boss Keane and his underling Odierno (sp?), all officers, are actively seeking to undermine Obama's foreign policy orders to end the war in Iraq. This needs to be investigated for what it is - treason.Have a nice day!

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Norma Jeane Baker 5 years, 2 months ago

Yeah, and they get bad gas mileage, too.

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Eybea Opiner 5 years, 2 months ago

"Decision-makers need to be brought to the forefront and held accountable."That would be the Clinton administration, recently reincarnated as the Obama administration.

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