Archive for Friday, December 25, 2009

Blizzard Blog: Winter weather advisory lifted; roads remain snowpacked

City transit system won’t operate Saturday, citing poor road conditions

Thursday night's six-plus inches of snow made things on Christmas Day, December 25, 2009 a mess for many like Roberto Calmano, of Hialeah, Fla. Calmano was trapped at the Airport Motel on U.S highway 24-40 around 10:00 a.m. as he was trying to free his car.

Thursday night's six-plus inches of snow made things on Christmas Day, December 25, 2009 a mess for many like Roberto Calmano, of Hialeah, Fla. Calmano was trapped at the Airport Motel on U.S highway 24-40 around 10:00 a.m. as he was trying to free his car.

December 25, 2009, 12:00 a.m. Updated December 26, 2009, 5:09 a.m.


December 2009 Winter storm

Expect slight snow accumulation through Saturday, with the winter storm wrapping up completely by Sunday.

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5:07 a.m. Saturday

The National Weather Service has lifted the winter weather advisory for Douglas and surrounding counties. As of early Saturday, Douglas County was not under any severe weather alerts.

5:25 p.m.

The Lawrence public transit system, the T, will not operate Saturday, Dec. 26, because of poor road conditions. People who have pre-scheduled service will be contacted Saturday morning about service.

City street crews are continuing to work around-the-clock on 12-hour shifts. The blowing, drifting snow has made the removal process difficult.

4:20 p.m.

Our area is now expected to get an additional two inches of snow, according to the National Weather Service. The estimate is a slight bump up from the one inch prediction earlier today. City crews continue working to clear the streets, but motorists are still finding themselves stuck on the roads. One officer told Douglas County dispatchers the driving conditions were, "terrible, very very terrible."

2:39 p.m.

The National Weather Service is estimating our area will possibly get as much as another inch of light snow accumulation today. Heading into the evening the chances are about 50 percent that the area will continue to experience light snowfall. Temperatures will most likely remain below 20 degrees with wind chills dipping as low as eight degrees below zero.

The Kansas Department of Transportation is showing most major roads in Douglas County are still snowpacked and icy.

• I -70: Mostly snowpacked/ice

• K-10: Partly snowpacked/ice

• K-32: Mostly snowpacked/ice

• U.S.-24: Mostly snowpacked/ice

• U.S.-40: Partly snowpacked/ice

• U.S.-59: Mostly snowpacked/ice

According to Journal-World circulation manager Chris Bell, customers who haven't received today's paper should receive both today and Saturday's paper on Saturday.

11:15 a.m.

The Kansas Department of Transportation has updated this list of roads in northeast Kansas that are closed because of the winter storm. We'll continue to provide updates to this list and to any problem areas in the city of Lawrence, as they become available, so check back often to

• K-16 in Jefferson County is closed as of 10:45 a.m., Friday, Dec. 25, from the K-4 junction to the U-59/K192 junction due to blowing and drifting snow which is causing the roadway to be impassable for drivers.

• K-16 in Pottawatomie County is closed as of 12:30 a.m., Friday, Dec. 25, from the city of Blaine to the City of Wheaton due to blowing and drifting snow which is causing the roadway to be impassable for drivers.

• K-16 in Pottawatomie County is closed as of 8:00 a.m., Friday, Dec. 25 from the K-63 junction to the Pottawatomie/Jackson County line due to blowing and drifting snow which is causing the roadway to be impassable for drivers.

• K-20 in Doniphan & Brown Counties is closed as of 11:30 p.m., Thursday, Dec. 24 from the US-73 Junction to the K-7 Junction due to blowing and drifting snow which is causing the roadway to be impassable for drivers.

• K-62 in Jackson County is closed as of 8:30 a.m., Friday, Dec. 25 from the K-16 junction to the K-9 junction due to blowing and drifting snow which is causing the roadway to be impassable for drivers.

• K-63 in Pottawatomie County is closed as of 8:00 a.m., Friday, Dec. 25 from the north city limits of St. Mary’s to the K-16 junction due to blowing and drifting snow which is causing the roadway to be impassable for drivers.

• K-87 in Marshall County is closed from VILLAGE OF VLIETS to the junction of US-36/K-87 as of 3:30 a.m. on Friday, December 25, due to blowing and drifting snow which is causing the roadway to be impassable for drivers.

• K-99 in Marshall County is closed as of 11 p.m., Thursday, Dec. 24 from the junction of K-99/US-36 and 234 to the Kansas/Nebraska state line, snow has drifted the road shut. The roadway is impassable at this time due to blowing and drifting snow.

• K-110 in Marshall County is closed form the junction of US-36/K-110 to south city limits of AXTELL as of 3:30 a.m. on Friday, Dec. 25, due to blowing and drifting snow which is causing the roadway to be impassable for drivers.

• K-120 in Doniphan County is closed from the junction of K-20/K-120 to the south city limits of Highland as of 3:30 a.m. on Friday, Dec. 25, due to blowing and drifting snow which is causing the roadway to be impassable for drivers.

• K-187 in Nemaha County is closed from the junction of K-9/K-187 to the junction of US-36/K-187 as of 3:30 a.m. on Friday, Dec. 25, due to blowing and drifting snow which is causing the roadway to be impassable for drivers.

• K-192 in Jefferson County is closed from the junction of US-59 to the Jefferson/Leavenworth County line as of 10:30 a.m. on Friday, Dec. 25 due to blowing and drifting snow which is causing the roadway to be impassable for drivers.

• K-233 in Marshall County is closed as of 9:30 a.m., Friday, Dec. 25 from the US-77 junction to the west city limits of Oketo due to blowing and drifting snow which is causing the roadway to be impassable for drivers.

• K-246 in Brown County is closed from the US-75 junction to the west city limits of Morrill as of 3:30 a.m. on Friday, Dec. 25, due to blowing and drifting snow which is causing the roadway to be impassable for drivers.

9:44 a.m.

The temperature is sitting at 14 degrees and according to the National Weather Service the high will only get to about 20 degrees. Winds will not be helping matters much, as breezes and gusts are expected to make it feel more like single-digit and subzero temperatures. The chance for precipitation today is around 70 percent, and as much as an inch of snow is possible throughout the day.

Snow accumulation in the area is estimated to have been anywhere from four to 10 inches, with drifts likely deeper in some area.

Roads in the area this morning are still pretty much snow-covered. The Kansas Department of Transportation lists roads in northeast Kansas as mostly to completely snowpacked and icy. Just from the early-morning commute to the News Center, here are roads that are clear enough to drive on, should you be heading out today:

6th Street - The road is clear and smaller vehicles have been able to navigate it.

Iowa Street - The southbound lane has been plowed, but the northbound lane is not clear.

31st Street - Most of this road has been cleared. The snow that remains is packed down to the point where cars were not getting stuck.

23rd Street - Most of this road has also been cleared, at least from Iowa down to Massachusetts Street. Getting onto 23rd from the side roads may pose the biggest problem.

Massachusetts Street - Narrow lanes are plowed in both directions, with more roadway clear as you get toward 23rd Street.

Lawrence Avenue - The road has reportedly been cleared

Again, larger or heavier vehicles are going to have a better chance on the roads. Side streets are still not clear, which is where many motorists are getting stuck. If you have to be out and about in Lawrence today, try to plot your course accordingly.

Local road conditions will be updated as the information becomes available.

8:06 a.m.

The National Weather Service has canceled the blizzard warning for Douglas and surrounding counties. The area is now under a winter weather advisory until 6:00 p.m. Friday.

5:46 a.m.

The Kansas Department of Transportation released Friday morning a bulletin detailing the current and expected weather and road conditions.

According to the KDOT release, most of the precipitation has moved out of northeast Kansas but high winds and blowing snow are still making travel a dangerous task. KDOT recommends drivers use caution, allow plenty of driving time, buckle up, turn on headlights and turn off cruise control. Drivers are also reminded to stay a safe distance behind de-icing and snow-clearing vehicles.

Douglas County roads are listed as mostly snowpacked with ice, while the some Topeka and Johnson County roads have been upgraded to wet and slushy.

Weather-wise in and around Lawrence, expect blowing snow and flurries before noon on Christmas Day. The high temperature should reach 14 degrees but wind chills could dip as low as negative nine degrees. The chance of precipitation is listed as 10 percent. A blizzard warning remains in effect until 6 p.m. Friday.

5:27 a.m.

Not many cars dared drive the Lawrence streets overnight, but some motorists had to take to the roads as part of their jobs. Lawrence Police Sgt. Susan Hadl was one of those people.

Hadl said the blizzard made it very difficult for officers to make their way around the city to various calls.

"In all my years at the department I've never seen it incapacitate travel to this extent," Hadl said. "It became very difficult to assist people because once we were there we often found ourselves stuck just like they were.

"It was a challenge for several units to even leave the parking lot of the station. We were thankful we didn't have any major emergencies to attend to."

Aside from the drama provided by the weather, it was a quiet night in Lawrence. Hadl said the police took multiple reports of stranded motorists but only one turned out to be a true accident. Hadl said police units tried to minimize their movement overnight in order to stay out of the way of snowplows and cleaning crews.

3:21 a.m.

The adverse weather conditions are even affecting newspaper carriers this morning:

Due to blizzard conditions and deep snow on city and area roads, the Lawrence Journal-World is able to deliver a limited number of newspapers to subscribers Friday morning.

With snow drifts stalling vehicles in and around the city since Thursday evening, roads prevented Journal-World carriers from traveling their complete routes early Friday.

According to Journal-World circulation manager Chris Bell, carriers were not able to traverse numerous routes and multiple carriers' vehicles became stuck in high snow. Some deliveries were completed as usual despite the snow.

2:06 a.m.

A little perspective on just how poor the driving conditions are this early Christmas a.m.:

When asked by a dispatcher to describe the current conditions on Kansas Highway 10, an officer said just one word: "Horrible."

Douglas County is still under a blizzard warning. Temperatures have dipped to about 15 degrees while winds are currently at about 20 miles per hour, making the outdoors a very, very unpleasant place. And a look at the weather map suggests there's more snow to come for Lawrence this morning.

1:28 a.m.

It's the dead of night and the blizzard is raging on, but street cleanup crews are hard at work in Lawrence.

According to officers chatting on the scanner, snowplows have worked on or are busy working on sections of Iowa, Connecticut and Massachusetts streets.

That does not mean leaving the house is advisable for any reason. Even if some roadways are passable, others may not be tonight.

1:03 a.m.

The ride home from work, which usually takes 20 minutes, took 6News/Journal-World reporter Jesse Fray two hours tonight. It's a story playing out throughout Douglas County this morning.

"The road crews can't keep up with the out-of-control snow drifts," Fray said. "I've never seen anything like it."

Thankfully two strangers were able to push Fray away from being stuck and he was able to find an empty parking lot to leave his car.

"A friend came and got me in his SUV, but it ended up getting stuck as well, in the middle of an apartment complex street," Fray said. "My advice: Don't head out unless you absolutely have to."

12:38 a.m.

Portion of Kansas Highways 99 near the Nebraska border, K-16 north of Wamego and K-20 east of Horton are all closed because of heavy and drifting snow.

Across Douglas County, roads are completely snowpacked. Several drivers have reported very challenging conditions when taking to the roads.

12:32 a.m.

About 29 Westar Energy customers in Douglas County are currently without power.

According to the utility's Web site, the outage is concentrated in the area south of 23rd Street near Massachusetts Street.

12:25 a.m.

The National Weather Service is predicting 6 to 10 inches of snow before the storm is done, with the possibility for locally higher amount.

Several drivers around Lawrence have reported their vehicles being stuck on city streets because of snow drifts.

If you can avoid it, stay off the area roads.


If you were dreaming of a white Christmas, may your days be merry and bright.

Mother Nature brought blizzard-like conditions as she packed a holiday punch Thursday, whirling multiple inches of snow into the area in a major winter storm expected to linger today.

“This is a significant snow, the biggest one in years,” said 6News meteorologist Greg Postel, who expected between 6 and 9 inches of snow would be dumped on Lawrence when all is said and done tonight. The snow sits atop a quarter-inch of ice that accumulated before the sun set Thursday.

Douglas, Shawnee, Franklin and Jefferson are among the counties in the area that remain in a blizzard warning through 6 p.m. today. Kansas joined nine other states that had blizzard warnings issued because of the storm stretching 1,000 miles from northern Texas to Minnesota.

As winter weather conditions worsened Thursday, it forced many Christmas Eve church services in the area to be called off. Kansas University officials shut down the campus at noon, and Gov. Mark Parkinson closed state offices at 2 p.m. in Shawnee County because of worsening weather conditions.

Heavy snow after dark was expected to produce a dangerous situation for overnight travelers across northeast Kansas. The treacherous road conditions were expected to continue today, when, Postel said, the high temperature would struggle to reach 21 degrees, with wind chill values dipping down to minus 5 degrees.

Despite deteriorating road conditions, some travelers on the Kansas Turnpike on Thursday afternoon weren’t letting anything stand in the way of their Christmas travels.

“You hate not to go for Christmas, and that’s exactly why we’re on the road because I told my mom I’d come down,” said Mary Hyland, of Hampton, Iowa, who was headed to Topeka.

Emergency workers kept busy along sections of the Kansas Turnpike in Douglas County on Thursday, responding to vehicle slide-offs in the area, including a car that slammed into the retaining wall and a van that slid into a ditch.

“I come from South Dakota, so this is normal,” said Clem Ironwing, a traveler form Wichita, as he refilled his windshield wiper fluid at the Lawrence rest area on the turnpike. “But, people that don’t drive in it freak themselves out, hit the brakes.”

Douglas County dispatchers said emergency workers responded to 48 calls for help from drivers who had been in accidents or were stranded between noon and 9 p.m. Christmas Eve.

Four injury accidents were reported, but none were major. Several people were stuck Thursday night on the hilly areas of Bob Billings Parkway, between Iowa and Kasold.

Slippery roads are blamed for at least 14 deaths in the state, including five in western Kansas.

Kansas highway officials said the falling snow, blowing winds and dropping temperatures were hampering efforts to clear the roads in northeast Kansas.

“Drifting is a huge problem, and it is proving to be extremely difficult to get roadways cleared and keep them that way,” said Kim Qualls, Kansas Department of Transportation spokeswoman.

Kansas National Guard soldiers were notified of the potential need of disaster response from the storm, said Sharon Watson, guard spokeswoman.

Three airports — in Oklahoma, South Dakota and Texas — were closed Thursday because of the storm.

— Jesse Fray

11:15 p.m.

The roads are treacherous as of 11:15 p.m. Snow, on top of snow, on top of ice, on top of more ice means slow going on most well-worn Lawrence streets and no-going in some parking lots and minor thoroughfares.

According to 6News meteorologist Greg Postel, snow could keep falling the Lawrence area at the same rate as it is now — moderate — until anywhere from 4 a.m. to 6 a.m.

After that, snow should taper off a bit with flurries and light snow showers prevailing through Christmas Day.


filapino 8 years, 4 months ago

this is going to be my 1st X-Mas alone.. I'm not to excited about this snow, not just the postponement of Christmas, but it completely deprived me of a four day weekend of indulging in the 7 deadly sins (it's an annual event with the fam). BUT, God and Mother Nature decided to get together and see it differently this year.. so I'm going to be humbled and deprived of the festivities. So the gift I got from God and Momma Nature was, for me to spend more time with, well me. Since all of my neighborhood decided to leave after finals.. It's kinda like a ghost town over here.. kinda creepy.. I'm just hoping the electricity stays on.. knock on wood

But I know I'm not the only one this affected. So I'm gonna make the most of it, get sleep and then go sledding down the hill, Clark Griswold style. I hope that the other people who's plans fell through come join the festivities later on!

Merry Christmas guys! I really hope everyone's plans were messed up a little, so ya'll can enjoy something ya didn't expect you'd be doing today. Make the best of a day that is to be shared with family and loved ones with complete strangers...

BrianR 8 years, 4 months ago

Be careful out there if you have to drive. If you don't have to drive, don't do it. No heart attacks today please -- shovel slowly, the snow ain't goin' anywhere and it'll still be there when you're ready. Merry Christmas to all a y'all who celebrate Christmas.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 4 months ago

My dog loving this white stuff of course she is a cold weather dog, I agree about the meals on wheels good luck to your charge try to be positive. MERRY CHRISTMAS.

Leslie Swearingen 8 years, 4 months ago

Merry Christmas! If you have a friend or relative who is getting meals delivered please check up on them and see that they get something to eat. I got some lovely gifts this year including a blanket and a pair of boots which are going to be seeing a lot of use. Walmart is closed on Christmas day which I think is a good idea. I remember when nothing would be open on a holiday or for that matter on Sunday.

Mixolydian 8 years, 4 months ago

Stupid lazy scientists.

They've been promising us global warming for years and can't deliver. The whole world's in a deep freeze (maybe the 1970's scientists were right about the coming ice age)

oh by the way scientists...I'm still waiting on my meal in a pill and personal jet backpack.

Raphael 8 years, 4 months ago

We went to 11 pm mass at St Johns last night - 2 cars- and spend an hour getting out of the parking lot. Then we could not get down the side streets until this WONDERFUL man came by with a pick up truck and towed us more than 1/2 mile down Harvard Street right to our door. We were so shaken and stressed we didn't thank him adequately. I am so very grateful for his kindness.

always4ever 8 years, 4 months ago

My hubby couldn't make it home in his tall 4 wheel drive truck this morning. Had to park it and walk the last mile through knee deep snow drifts.

My relatives in Jefferson county are moving all over the place! Makes me feel kind of lame.

We are going to open gifts in a little bit and watch The Christmas Story on TBS. "You'll shoot your eye out kid!"

We are counting our blessings today with our alternative Christmas. It's not how we planned it, but will make the most of it.

I hope everyone else is able to stay positive today, especially those who are alone. I hope you are also able to count your blessings. Hopefully everyone is warm and has something to eat. Most of us have electricity!

Ace_Ventura 8 years, 4 months ago

Yay, now I get to make fun of the stupid people that think they know how to drive. I passed by 4 cars lastnight that were stuck. I was driving the smallest. They should give lessions. Anyways, Merry Christmas!!

ilovetocook 8 years, 4 months ago

Has anyone heard how K-10 to Johnson County is at this time?. The road condition map I looked at hasn't been updated since 4:40 am.

Adam P Atterson 8 years, 4 months ago

I blame Al Gore, Hussein Obama, and Health Care! Thanks guys!!

chet_larock 8 years, 4 months ago

anyone have any idea if side roads will be plowed and/or when?? there's no way we're getting out of our neighborhood unless they plow the streets -- the snow is too deep!

mr_right_wing 8 years, 4 months ago

It sure is good that this is Christmas day....were it a regular Friday this would be a major crisis!!

NWS; you get credit this nailed it! (3 pts full-court)

This has got to be about the most 'white' Christmas in my whole life!!

Kathy Theis-Getto 8 years, 4 months ago

"They've been promising us global warming for years and can't deliver. The whole world's in a deep freeze (maybe the 1970's scientists were right about the coming ice age)"===Name the two warmest decades on record: The 1990's and the one we are just completing.

Cassie Powell 8 years, 4 months ago

that i know of side streets are on their own...

kusp8 8 years, 4 months ago

I'm planning on coming back to Lawrence from Topeka later today. I hope I don't die.

cowboy 8 years, 4 months ago

side streets , baaaaahhaaaahhahhaaahahhaahha !

Took a drive to my barn this am out south of town , county roads good , all the side streets are parking lots , all unplowed presently ,

got stuck at 23 rd and ousdahl , thanks to the 8 guys that appeared out of nowhere and pushed me out , Merry Christmas and thank you sooo much !

KU_cynic 8 years, 4 months ago

I took the kids up to the hill at KU for sledding today at about 12:30, and then afterward did some scouting about while running errands -- very carefully in my 4WD pickup truck.

I saw lots of people in inappropriate vehicles trying to drive where they had no business and predictably getting into sticky wickets. My favorite was the late-1970s rear-wheel drive Camaro that couldn't move forward at the intersection of 6th and Kasold. That vehicle had no business trying to go anywhere today.

It took until 2:00 PM for Monterey Way between 6th and 15th Streets to be plowed for the first time by the city today. At that time Harvard Rd west of Kasold through at least Wakarusa had not been plowed either. The contrast between the pretty good condition of streets such as 6th St., 15 St., Kasold, and Iowa and these other not--really-minor streets is distressing.

I understand the reluctance to send out the road crews on Christmas, especially because they are probably paid triple overtime or something like that. Nevertheless, I grade the city's response to this storm as predictably "lame".

John Hamm 8 years, 4 months ago

Days like today bring out the worst and the best in people. Like the four individuals who seeing me obviously stuck walked by without any recognition at all. Wouldn't have taken much to get me going and they'd had a free ride and a "reward." Then there's the wonderful woman who, after seeing me wait almost 5 hours for a tow truck (no, that's not a slam - I know they were swamped) brought me a cup of soup and hot biscuit. Then the gentleman in the Dodge (yes a little advertisement) truck who had a rope and pulled me out. Thanks you folks for reaffirming my belief there's good and bad in all of us.

iloveme 8 years, 4 months ago

Glad I'm in Western KS. Might not be home until summer time.....

BigPrune 8 years, 4 months ago

I am waiting in anticipation of an upcoming editorial or letter to the editor congratulating the City and its road crews for removing the snow from our streets in a timely manner.

I hope you all had a merry Christmas. I guess the City is more broke than I thought.

cj123 8 years, 4 months ago

My road is getting plowed right now and I live on a dirt road about 15 miles south of town! One nice thing about living out in the country is the response of snow removal for roads! When I lived in Lawrence, it seemed to take days for snow removal. Merry Christmas to everyone and drive safe!

JovianaRex 8 years, 4 months ago

Lawrence is responding below sub-par as far as plowing and are PLAINLY NON-APOLOGETIC about it. There has been NO SNOW PLOWING west of Wakarusa on Legends Dr into the Harvard drive/Bob Billingsly/Legends Dr route and that is INEXCUSABLE and TYPICAL of Lawrence City Services. I am from Kansas City and know what decent city maintenance is...and frankly, THIS is why all the pretty little flower-nosegay plantings done by Parks and Rec DON'T IMPRESS ME ONE BIT because when it comes to REAL CITIZEN NEEDS, THIS city THROWS INT THE TOWEL EVERY TIME and then pats itself on the back and congratulates itself, for what a "wonderful community" they are. STUFF AND NONSENSE is what "city services" are, passing the buck at every turn they can and then forming a self serving mutual admiration society of "recognition". I rue the day I ever had to settle here and the minute my kids are 18, I am OUTTA this miserable, self righteous little town. And then having a smarmy little posted policy of "do it yourself snow removal" What a crock and again HOW TYPICAL of this place. I was stuck and honking for help when a four wheel drive, truck with plow attached drove by as FAST as he could, ignoring someone's cry for help, no doubt on his way to a more lucrative situation. THANKS CITY OF LAWRENCE. HOPE YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE AND HOPE I'M THERE TO SEE IT!

kusp8 8 years, 4 months ago

LJWorld or JKealing.

In Topeka they have emergency snow routes and the city has declared a now emergency so those routes'll be the only ones to get plowed. Does the City of Lawrence have a reciprocal type of signage/ routes?

kusp8 8 years, 4 months ago

LJWorld or JKealing.

In Topeka they have emergency snow routes and the city has now declared a snow emergency so those routes'll be the only ones to get plowed. Does the City of Lawrence have any similar type of signage and/or routes?

sorry for the grammar mistakes.

JovianaRex 8 years, 4 months ago

Frankly, the paper can be as late as it wants, one of my primary purposes for subscribing was to be able to use it in my birdcage, where I relish putting it's truly admirable quality to good use , and so does Olive, my pigeon!

gsxr600 8 years, 4 months ago

The worst part is that this crap is going to be on the ground for quite a while. We're in for a long, treacherous winter.

cowboy 8 years, 4 months ago

I'd agree the city seemingly is always way late , I guess the reasoning is wait till its done , I think being proactive says a lot though , get out there and plow the frigging snow , as of 2 pm they had not even gotten to the traffic feeders , Unacceptable City of Lawrence , just once this decade try to be on top of it. I can pretty much gaurantee you I won't see a plow on my street for at least a few days.

Matt Needham 8 years, 4 months ago

Dear snowplow drivers,

Looks like you did a fantastic job clearing those streets in new west Lawrence. You even did the streets no one lives on. Just a reminder that many of us live east of Mass St. Possibly next time you could concentrate on the streets where people actually live instead of clearing suburbs where nothing is even built yet? Two blocks east of Mass St the roads are still 2' deep in snow.

Dear city,

My sidewalk is cleared as per the ordinance. Where can I send you the ticket for failing to clear my street?

Uhjh 8 years, 4 months ago

I had to go to Kansas City, Missouri today to get my daughter and bring to Lawrence. Frankly the roads were almost bare of snow from plowing. I think they must be putting better treatments. Lawrence doesn’t seem to use good treatments and most of the time I see trucks in Lawrence they don’t seem to be spearing anything. Does it cost too much or what? The city needs to review their snow removal procedures.

Dateable_Shelter_Dude 8 years, 4 months ago

"...I rue the day I ever had to settle here..." JovianaRex

Thinking you're alone on that?

JovianaRex 8 years, 4 months ago

Not anymore, thank goodness. I thought I was being the lone dissenter though, with all the KU intelligentsia around, how could this NOT be a real-live utopian actuality?

JohnElway 8 years, 4 months ago

Hey JovianaRex,

Lawrence doesn't like you either. Why wait for the kids to turn 18? Leave when the snow melts.

lboho 8 years, 4 months ago

Any one else live in Hutton Farms? I'm stranded here because apparently their policy is to NOT do anything about clearing the streets or drives here. They do all the lawn care but nothing about snow removal.

this Christmas sucks!

BigPrune 8 years, 4 months ago

When the City obviously doesn't have enough money to pay their street crews time and half for working on Christmas day to clear the streets but has $15,000 laying around to pay some non-profit in Oregon for some "carbon credits" because of the exhaust fumes City vehicles give off, it gives me peace of mind knowing the City has priorities for the health and welfare if its citizens.

BigPrune 8 years, 4 months ago

of its citizens.

Too tired from shoveling. I'd hate to get fined for not having my sidewalk cleaned off tomorrow.

JovianaRex 8 years, 4 months ago

Gee, well, John, that would be a PERFECT plan BUT the wonderful despotic family court---- presided over by the "Unjust Judge Judy", who rules the lives of those she interjects her very arbitrary, (btw) rulings ON..(.and I have cooperated with them at every turn), would force me to leave my children here and I would not leave them to that fate because bottomline, the message addressing true dissent, (including declination of mandatory "political correctness", of which this little metro is a significan hub) consists of: "Abandon hope, all ye who enter here." It's amazing that you who preach tolerance so earnestly, practice it so poorly.

kernal 8 years, 4 months ago

Wonder how many city employees who are responsible for the plowing weren't able to make it to work because they don't make enought money to afford 4-wheel drive vehicles and live on side streets like the rest of us. Not everyone on the City's street maintenance staff makes management salaries. And if they were allowed to drive the City's 4-wheel drive vehicles home so they could get out the next day to plow, I'm sure someone would find a reason to complain about that, too. Just be glad we have the resources to clean off the streets, eventually. My dad told me today that when he was in middle school back East there were no sand and salt trucks and two winters in a row, he ice skated to school. After hearing that, I'm not going to complain.

JohnElway 8 years, 4 months ago

Well, that makes sense. I just think people get that 'grass is always greener' idea. No matter where you live, there will be problems. There are a lot of worse places than Lawrence, and of course, a lot of better places. At least you are with your kids, so I guess Lawrence has that going for it.

Stay safe everyone. The funny thing about snow is that it always goes away.

mwwkw 8 years, 4 months ago

Does anyone on here know the state of Hwy 24? I'd becoming from near wamego east to Lawrence and the best info I can find froM KDOT is 'snowpacked' but I really want to get home to my own house so if anyone has more/better info I'd appreciate it. Thank you

gccs14r 8 years, 4 months ago

I drove from 19th & Haskell over to 23rd and Wakarusa and back today, and the main roads were plowed. They were starting to drift back over, but that's to be expected, especially since it's still snowing and has been all day. It isn't a good day to be out if you have inadequate equipment or if your skills are suspect, though.

Sheila Hooper White 8 years, 4 months ago

I think the people who are complaining need to spend a day in the lives of those who go out and clean off the streets...or don't as you have all said. They only have so many trucks and so many employees. Get off their backs they are doing what they can and all the streets will get cleared.

sportsmom2724 8 years, 4 months ago

Henry Peach,

I live in west Lawrence and we have not been plowed either.

SofaKing 8 years, 4 months ago

I live in Lawrence but I'm currently in Key West, Florida and gosh it's hot and sunny here. How is the weather there?

ASBESTOS 8 years, 4 months ago

"...with all the KU intelligentsia around, how could this NOT be a real-live utopian actuality?"

That needs to be on a T-shirt.

lawrencechick 8 years, 4 months ago

HenryPeach, I don't know what planet you are on ,but nothing was plowed in West Lawrence except Wakarusa and 15th. My neighborhood is still completely undriveable. Try not and start the East Lawrence/West Lawrence routine.

mr_right_wing 8 years, 4 months ago

WHAT!? No empty buses running around Lawrence tomorrow? What a Merry Christmas after all!!! May they never return....ah well, wishful thinking...

Katherine Greene 8 years, 4 months ago

You can see the street clearing maps from here: with primary and secondary routes.

czarina 8 years, 4 months ago

I just moved to Lawrence this fall and for all the bragging my friends in Lawrence have done about how great it is to live here... I don't get it. Not a street in a my neighborhood in East Lawrence has even had a single pass from a snow plow after a day and a half of snow and I'm sure I am not alone.

I miss Westwood.

xtronics 8 years, 4 months ago

The misappropriation of money is just part of the lack of snow removal. The other is training. They send three trucks out as a team - as someone that grew up in Wisconsin, I know that is just stupid - the plows sit around waiting for he others to turn around. Team plowing makes sence on turnpikes and very major roads, but has no application is a small town like Lawrence. Wastes fuel besides. They need to send who ever heads up the Lawrence plowing circus-act up to snow country - let them observe for a week to see how it is done.

They also need to figure out that you start plowing ASAP - plows easier and reduces the amount of salt used. Waiting for the main roads to get packed is just stupid.

Snow removal is an honest function of government unlike all the other weird revenue wasting programs of the City of Lawrence. Good thing there were no deaths due to delayed emergency vehicles.

errita 8 years, 4 months ago

As far as you get what you give,well when you do nothing but complain and be negative indeed you will get what you give. There are far worse things going on in peoples lives that bad streets. Thank you to the guys that went without being with your families today to work to clear the streets for ungrateful people. THANK YOU to the wonderful man in the Escalade who was kind enough to pull complete strangers out of the snow when they were stuck. Thanks to you my 87 year old grandmother did not have to spend Christmas alone. To all of you out there I wish you a Merry Christmas! Remember every person you meet is dealing with problems try to be understanding.

inatux 8 years, 4 months ago

A lot of hot air blowing here, since I doubt anyone would have the chutzpah to show up at the next commission meeting and complain about the street cleaning. That kind of complaining would require you to come out from anonymity.

If you're really, REALLY that upset, the next meeting is 9 a.m. Tuesday. I'll watch the video online; I'm sure you won't be there.

Uhjh 8 years, 4 months ago

Earlier I did complain about the snow removal. But my son in from St. Louis and me went downtown and say way a major task this is. My hat off to all plows operators and their family for making such a sacrifice at Christmas. A very Merry Christmas to all of you and your families! I continue to think the city could put down more and better treatments on the roads. Bravo to all the personal that gave up Christmas for the people of Lawrence. THANK YOU!

Calliope877 8 years, 4 months ago if you'd be able to identify anyone on this forum via video...

justmememe 8 years, 4 months ago

A little front-loader just plowed a strip down the middle of our cul-de-sac....

now he's stuck like the rest of us.

inatux 8 years, 4 months ago

Calliope877, I was being facetious, but the point remains: for all the people complaining on this forum, there won't be anybody from the public showing up to complain through the proper channel.

BMI 8 years, 4 months ago

Absolutely right. No one who shows up at those meetings EVER posts on here. Nope. No way. Not a chance. Never happens.

Evan Ridenour 8 years, 4 months ago

I want the idiots out trying to drive their compact car through a foot high snow drift to pay back the exorbitant amount of tax dollars wasted pulling them out. There has been a lot of charity going on with tax money that the city doesn't have. I am all for charity but not one the poor situation someone is placed in is due to their own stupidity. It doesn't take a genius to tell someone these roads can't be transverses by a rear wheel drive mustang or a hybrid compact.

And I didn't read through this whole blog so I don't know if it was addressed so FYI, I am speaking of the city vehicles I have seen helping dislodge stuck motorists that I know for a fact weren't charged for the service.

Stupidity shouldn't be rewarded. And trying to drive a car through snow higher then its ground clearance is obviously stupid.

Hudson Luce 8 years, 4 months ago

Hasn't anyone here ever heard of tire chains? They work wonders in snow. It also helps to put tube sand in the trunk (or a couple of 40 lb bags of ice melt), take along a shovel, food (MREs), candy bars, water, a couple watch caps, a sleeping bag and tent, a good flashlight... and so on. I carry all this stuff wherever i go in winter... can make life easier.

kujhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Just my opinion but, I would of rather spent my Christmas with my family but instead had to plow snow for the City, thanks to all of those that had nice things to say!

gccs14r 8 years, 4 months ago

Chains are great, but they'll hang in the garage for 15 years between uses. We don't get real snow around here often enough to warrant having them.

BTW, I was driving around on East Lawrence side streets on Christmas Eve and Christmas morning in a plain-vanilla Camry and had no trouble getting around. You don't need a giant truck to drive through 9" of snow.

ScottyMac 8 years, 4 months ago

It's 1:45 a.m. and I just saw a city plow on our street. Our most sincere thanks to the guys out there tonight spending their Christmas helping keep our streets clear. We truly appreciate it.

JovianaRex 8 years, 4 months ago

Sorry for you kujhawk, but there has STILL not been one single plow through the area, around Legends Cr/Dr/Ct west of Wak My car is stuck at the base of the driveway and I saw NO family at Christmas either. My kids are in North Lawrence, and I did nothing this Christmas but shovel snow until I was too weak to stand, with little result.

JovianaRex 8 years, 4 months ago

inatux I will be there. If I still have a job OR if I am fired because I cannot get out of this cul-de-sac which has not been touched. I am a night worker and you say, it is on Tues 9AM? I will call the city and find out exactly where and when the commission meeting is going to be. I am not just blowing hot air. I DON"T KNOW how I will get out of this and make it to work Saturday night. I HAVE to make it to work, my kids dad just moved in with mommy and daddy and let his place be repoe'd, and in the 36 hrs since this storm began I have become literally trapped in my house with nothing but "I'm sorry m'ams" and "We're taking you off the list because our trucks will just get stuck there too." No, inatux, I will seek you out if possible and introduce myself.

James Bennett 8 years, 4 months ago

I just walked outside and saw a front-end loader with a plow attached working its way through the parking lot of my apartment complex (at Clinton Parkway and Kasold). I have no idea where it was headed next, but it's the first plow I've seen out here that wasn't just running up or down Clinton, so perhaps they're getting to the western side streets now.

(and my thanks go to the driver of that plow, who's out here at 3:30 in the morning trying to clear the roads)

JovianaRex 8 years, 4 months ago

czarina, I lived in Westwood Ks too. I haven't stopped missing it forever, esp with the way services are managed. HERE. Xtronics, Thank you for the info, I had no idea they were that dense in snow removal technique, it explains a lot, they start early in KC too, it makes a difference. I have never gone, inatux, to a city commission meeting before and have a sneaking suspicion that i will simply be laughed at by those on the commission. This snow removal here is done POORLY, dancemomx2. I may lose my job if the cul-de -sac at Legends Ct is continually skipped, and then I will have to contact a lawyer. I can't shovel the WHOLE cul-de-sac. myself, and the neighbors with 4 wheel drive can get out...Why won't the city just send one truck up here PLEASE!.

JovianaRex 8 years, 4 months ago

barry penders I am "stupid" because I cannot afford a 4 wheel drive? Perhaps, but I did the best with the money I had. But I would also inquire as to why ,(pray tell), am I deemed "stupid" for trusting the city to maintenance something that it permitted in the first place?
Thank you for your assessment of my intellect, it was truly the spirit of Christmas---and year round, that epitomizes Lawrence in so many ways, unfortunately. I have heard that Lawrence doesn't want to be another 'Johnson County Kansas"....well, don't worry, Lawrence, you/(we) have NO such capability, either in forethought or method or capacity This very "little" city will NEVER amount to what that community IS, a TRULY good place to live and be a part of. THIS amounts to little more than a "who you know" community or if you can write BIG checks. After 10+ years, it's easy to smell the very RANK hypocrisy, miles away. I know that you can give statistics, but figures lie, and liars figure. I have lived in both places for 15 yr stretches each time, and I can tell you that Lawrence unfortunately can't hold a candle to Johnson County. That's personal, "living there" experience.....ANDI lived in KCMO which had much better snow removal also. Crime is worse though, was robbed twice in apt and was there both times. I'll give credit to Lawrence for keeping armed robbery down below KCMO levels if that makes you feel better, but that's the best I can say.

Boston_Corbett 8 years, 4 months ago

I have lived in several Kansas cities and have always believed that Lawrence has done a very good job in snow removal, better than the other cities. Usually a snow event is 2"-5".

And on this 10 or 20-year snow event, that occured on a holiday eve, I want to thank all those who gave up a part of their holidays in trying to keep ahead of this storm.

I do not believe it is the city's responsibility to have budget, staff and equipment to remove 20-year snow events, during the event. Nor do I believe it is the city's responsibility to fund a program which would immediately address residential streets, or those cul-de-sacs. (maintenance of those streets is a responsibility, which is another matter)

People ought to stay home, unless absolutely necessary, and check in on neighbors, the elderly, and do a little walk clearing.

Give the crews a couple of days to start to catch up. And if you want your streets cleared more quickly, don't complain about taxes.

Boston_Corbett 8 years, 4 months ago

And if I had been raised in Westwood, I too might have unrealistic expectations about the real world. It's not so hard to figure.

JovianaRex 8 years, 4 months ago

I don't complain about taxes. The removal rate was sub par even with a regular accumulation. It has been ridiculous every year, with the only saving grace being that an individual could overcome it. This event shows the true lack that I have always perceived.. I am going out to shovel now, as I started at 04AM, because expectations or not, I AM expected to make it to work TONIGHT---Saturday night at midnoc--(-I'm a nurse), in Topeka, (I have had to call in ONCE already) and I can EXPECT to get disciplinary action if I DO not show up. I can't and don't expect them to accept the fact that my address is in a cul-de-sac as an excuse OR justification. Apparently, according to MOST of you folks, it IS MY own stupidity that led me to accept a cul-de-sac address AND expect the city to actually plow it. So, since this my own doing and fault, etc... I am going out to shovel. Don't expect me to love Lawrence. They had obligations that they HAVE failed to uphold.

Sheila Hooper White 8 years, 4 months ago

JovianaRex-I have lived here all my life as have my parents and my grandparents. I can count on my hands the amount of storms we have had like this. My husband used to work for the city street department and had to deal with people like you. They would never tell you they weren't coming b/c their trucks would get stuck. My parents live on a dead end street off of another dead end streets. We made it from our house to my mothers in our minivan. We did not get stuck. My parents have lived in this house for 35+ years and we were always the last to get our streets plowed. Did they complain...NO!! Like I said if any of the complainers on here have any idea what it's like to have to clear streets of snow, you would not be complaining. How about you go over to the maint. shop on 11th and Haskell and complain to all the guys who have been working 12 hour shifts. They should get off around noon, when the other shift comes in!!!

You take your money and sue the city, good luck on that one. I'll be waiting and watching for that one.

I just think everyone needs to quit complaining. Did you really think if you live in Kansas you wouldn't have to deal with wild weather!! Be realistic. These guys do what they are told. They are told to plow mains, when those are done, they move on to secondary, and so on. Yes yours will most likely be one of the last to be plowed, but be an adult. Ours didn't get cleared until about 3 this morning. Were we mad??? NO. My husband got out and shoveled our driveway yesterday morning before we went to my moms. Ok so maybe you don't have a husband and you have to do it...guess what, I shoveled part of my parents driveway after I got there yesterday. Suck it up....don't let the plows steal your joy:)

Maddy Griffin 8 years, 4 months ago

Boo hoo for City employees. I saw a truck with a plow and a full load of sand just sitting in the parking lot at prairie park(the park, not the school) for 3 hours the other night. Dude was just sitting there reading a paper. Is this why the city is so broke? I hope that clown loses his job. I've heard too many of them brag about how easy it is to just "ride the clock".

Boston_Corbett 8 years, 4 months ago

JovianaRex (Anonymous) says… "Don't expect me to love Lawrence...."

Move to Topeka. And good luck with snow removal there.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 4 months ago

well it is 9:30 am and no plow yet. This is getting old.

JovianaRex 8 years, 4 months ago

I WILL, as soon as possible. This is a self-centered community....all my family is dead, my 13 and 8 yr old I have not seen because of these plowing orders (or lack of them) AND dancemom, you sound like a typical Lawrence person. (my mom this,my dad that, we're so tough and my HUBBY did, you're a one-woman show, huh?....did they LOSE JOBS because they couldn't report to work???? NURSES DO, if there is a code yellow at their facility.) My car was pushed into my garage by 2 guys, (from Ottawa) DRIVING A VAN who had to HIKE here from the Research Dr. circle (that's next to Dance Gallery---you probably know where that is) NOTHING has been plowed anywhere close, they said, and I see no reason to praise anyone for THAT. I'm sure Lawrence won't miss me and the feeling IS mutual. I consider it almost a mark of personal integrity that I have no Lawrence roots whatsoever. Now, that doesn't include the outlying areas, as I described, people from Ottawa DROVE here to Lawrence and then had to HIKE to my premises from a mile away just to push my car back from the edge of the apparently insane cul-de-sac. That's integrity.
Leaving suburbs buried in 4 feet of snow is truly indefensible incompetency, however longstanding, or praised. There is a failure here in this neighborhood if people are HIKING a mile to get in, no matter HOW much overtime has been put in by diligent crews, in a part that's at least seen a snow plow ONCE. Like I've said before, you Lawrence people are uniquely adept at sounding your own trumpets, with enthusiasm and conviction!... Whoo hooo! We worked overtime and plowed a main thoroughfare but haven't touched where people are LIVING!!! Ain't we sumthin!

Mkh 8 years, 4 months ago

I seem to remember a City Comission several years ago that drastically cut the funding for snow removal services largely based on the assumption that "Global Warming" would prevent big snow storms from occuring here. I remember it because of it's sheer ridiculous nature...anyone else recall this fallacy of Lawrence lawmaking?

Big thanks to the crews working hard yesterday and today! We were able to get the Subura through the snow yesterday across town to Grandma's house, other than side streets it wasn't that bad of a trip.

Sheila Hooper White 8 years, 4 months ago

Wow. I pray you quickly are able to leave our community. You didn't understand any of my post. You come on here yelling and screaming that Lawrence sucks, then leave. You don't know me or my family and to bad mouth them is sad. I'm sorry your family is dead. I have family that is too, what does that have to do with the ability of people to clean snow off streets. I'm trying to explain that we know what the guys feel like that do work for street maint. Maybe they don't do the best job but they do what they can. If you don't like it please leave. I'm sure you won't like this and believe me I've been attacked many times on these boards for my beliefs or how I feel. I don't care what you or anyone else thinks about me. Can't steal my joy:)

workinghard 8 years, 4 months ago

Maybe they should invent garbage trucks that could be fitted with snowplow blades, then they could do double duty and help out.

JovianaRex 8 years, 4 months ago

Again, let me say, I am held hostage in this town by the despotic ruling of a Justice who simply wanted to make her own court schedule simpler and easier for her convenience. I will leave, but not without my children and thanks to the Lawrence family court system, I'm stuck here. I bet if someone or something that was preventable or could have been done with more care and focus, (like how to plow least go to a large area ONCE) kept you from your kids all through Christmas, when you were supposed to have them, you wouldn't find it so easy to be joyful. I may have had advantages in my life, but you are the one who brought up your background as a justification for your attitude. You are obviously very sheltered in a way that you do not really want to make obvious. It's also interesting that concise language is labeled "yelling and screaming". I am not doing that, I am pointing out poor quality, poor administration of resources and a laissez-faire attitude. That's Lawrence in a nut-shell, I'm sorry, but this place does NOT come through when it really counts. I have been calling the dispatcher to ask if there will be a plow sent to this area, one neighbor's front door has a drift up to the eaves, for crying out loud, the front door is obscured. The very nice dispatcher said, "yes ma'm, we've been updated that there are some very large drifts in that area and the plows are being sent there as we speak. Even the police cars are unable to respond in this area, so it is being worked on." Thank you Ms. Dispatcher, you're the first person who's really reflected the seriously dire situation that exists out here. Someone decides to start looting, we'll be in real trouble, but maybe they'll get some kind of plan to keep things safe. Which they are not, as they have been left to the grace of God these last 36 hrs.

xtronics 8 years, 4 months ago

Actually, up north they put plows on cement trucks to help when they get big snows like a 22" snow fall. If the weather pattern repeats it is possible to get several large snows in a row - right here in Kansas - to not be able to deal with a small 10" snow fall - not even the major roads is just stupid.

So they banked on global warming - idiots...

JovianaRex 8 years, 4 months ago

Dancemomx2 I would also like to add that I never used the vulgarity "sucks" in a single posting. I would suggest that you recant your accusations or show more discretion yourself, rather than falsely accusing others just because they don't agree with you.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 4 months ago

every one click your heels together and say snoe go away three times maybe it will work.

workinghard 8 years, 4 months ago

"Actually, up north they put plows on cement trucks" So a local cement or construction company could make extra money contracting out to the city, hope one picks up on the idea and the city is smart enough to use them. Thank heavens school is out. Shame on apartment complexes that made no arrangements to get their tenants out of their parking lots before closing down offices till after New Years, you knew it was going to snow.

Sheila Hooper White 8 years, 4 months ago

You don't want to go there about having to be without a child on a holiday. You have no idea my background nor do I know yours. When people type in all caps and use exclamation points ( when typing) I take it as yelling and screaming. Sorry if you don't like that. Sorry if you don't like the word sucks. I also said nothing about your family but you can tear mine down and tell me how self-centered I am. So I don't take anything back. Since when did sucks become a vulgar word? New one to me. And we had a large snow drift in front of our door also, we shoveled ourselves out. But there I go again bragging about what we did. You can say how sheltered, self-centered I am but you don't know me.

JovianaRex 8 years, 4 months ago

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Sheila Hooper White 8 years, 4 months ago

Wow.Very sad. You may bash me all you want and use your definitions to tear me down. It won't work and you are no better then me or anyone else. I'm done with you and am going to enjoy my family.

Boston_Corbett 8 years, 4 months ago

Is there an anger management program for health professionals?

Katara 8 years, 4 months ago

No one is forced to live in Lawrence. A custody agreement cannot force you to live in Lawrence unless you are the primary custodial parent and you want to move the kids elsewhere and the other parent objects.

You made a choice, JovianaRex. Be an adult and accept both the responsibilities and the consequences that come with that choice. It is good that you chose to be close to your children. It is silly to be angry about the weather. You can't control it. And if you get fired, you are lucky enough to be in a profession that is in extremely high demand. You'll have a new (and maybe better) nursing job pretty quick.

Katara 8 years, 4 months ago

Useful link, Multidisciplinary. Thanks for that info.

workinghard 8 years, 4 months ago

In the past when I needed to be in a job in Topeka and I KNEW the weather would be bad, I had an arrangement with a co-worker to spend the night at their house. Once I had to resort to staying at a motel, but at least I was there and not trying to get there from Lawrence. A little planning pays off in the long run.

kusp8 8 years, 4 months ago

Wahwah weewah. What a great and disturbing read. For JovianaRex's sake I hope she was just being inflamatory, but then again who would say such garbage!? Dancemom kudos for not stooping to her level.

gypsymom 8 years, 4 months ago

I've lived in snow states before - 3 of them had record breaking, unexpected storms my first winter there (so much for avoiding the worst of winter). The winds and drifting snows here are new to me and I think only made it harder for the clean-up crews to keep on top of things. I know I tried to keep some kind of path to the house..and gave up after it got snowed under again and again.

Anyone know how well south Iowa st (around 30th) are? north lawrence?pretty clear or still risky?

bearded_gnome 8 years, 4 months ago

Right on Dancemom and Multi. the KUcareerhawk is a very good source indeed. selection of eager worker hands a little thin right now because of KU academic calendar, but I bet there's students available.

with behavior like this, one does wonder if Jovianarex's (jovianaRegina?) ex-hubby had a good reason for divorce. women can be abusive too.

freshmaker 8 years, 4 months ago

how many square miles is lawrence? with how many twisting roads, hills, dead ends, and tight spots? i understand the work that goes into this painstaking job...also factoring in those who do get stuck and impede progress..i say to workers, a job well done..i had christmas eve dinner at a local restaurant and saw the army come out about 9pm. my beef is with my damn apartment complex that has made no effort to clear anything...we have parking spots that are being made up on the spot because the driveway is impossible to get out of once you decide to drive in

workinghard 8 years, 4 months ago

Believe me I will make sure the next apartment complex my child rents in will have a snow removal clause in it if at all possible. The lease was 20 pages long of things the tenant can and cannot do, and how they will do it, but nothing about what they will do. Can't even get a decent refrigerator that works. And this is suppose to be one of the better ones. Hell, the crappy trailer court nearby got snowplowed. It will appear on the "Rate my Apartment" website.

Sheila Hooper White 8 years, 4 months ago

Thanks gnome but KUcareerhawk was multi's suggestion.

I'm just trying to figure out why I got attacked. I'm not sure who had the other post removed but it was quite interesting. I don't think I've ever been told I'm self centered and sheltered b/c I stood up for my town, my friends and my family. People on these boards continue to amaze me. I was starting to feel like I said something wrong so I went back and looked at my posts and I can't find anything. Never thought I could upset someone by using that awful, awful word. Didn't expect to get such a definition out of someone either. It's amazing what can set someone off.

Anyway thanks to those with the nice comments.

freshmaker 8 years, 4 months ago

it took the work of a few good neighbors to get just our section cleared out...good thing most of the people went home for the holidays or it would have been impossible. i took drive by my apartment complex to see if anything had been done..mind you i didnt stop for fear of getting stuck like some people did this morning(their cars couldnt even be towed out), i just drove by...and when i get some kind of citation for parking horrendously, i will be sure to deduct that amount from my rent...again

Sheila Hooper White 8 years, 4 months ago

Multi - Amen to that. I agree the roads could be better but this was a crazy snowfall. Places they have plowed are already drifted back over and worse than they were to begin with. Anyway hoped it helped her to vent on me and hope you had a good Christmas. No harm, no foul here. I'm not her judge. I just think if Lawrence is so bad why do people still move here? I think every town has it's issues.

JovianaRex 8 years, 4 months ago

I apologize to all I have given offense to on this site, it is wrong to say negative things and hurt people's feelings and I regret having caused that impression or actually wounding feelings . I have considered that I while I have a right to my opinions, I have no right to harm others. Many felt harmed or attacked by statements I made and it is for this that I offer a sincere apology. You will not hear from me again and I realize that you may consider this statement inadequate or not timely. But I will offer it anyway and I promise that you will not be hearing from me again, in any case.

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