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Brownback hopes abortion will kill health-care reform

December 22, 2009

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U.S. Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., said Tuesday that he hopes the fight over abortion will end up killing Democratic attempts to pass health care reform.

“If the issue of abortion funding brings down this bill, it will be a victory for the cause of protecting innocent human life,” Brownback said in an opinion piece that was posted on the Politico web site.

Last week, Brownback was part of a “prayercast” conducted by the Family Research Council in opposition to the bill.

The Senate is poised to approve its health care bill this week, while the House approved one in November. The two versions would have to be resolved by a House-Senate conference committee before a final bill could go to President Barack Obama.

The House version contains stricter abortion language in which insurers would be prohibited from offering coverage for abortions to anyone who receives a federal subsidy to buy a private health insurance plan on a new marketplace, called an exchange.

Under the Senate bill, women who receive a subsidy for policies that cover abortion could keep that coverage but must pay a separate premium for the abortion coverage. States also could decide that no plans including abortion coverage could be allowed on the exchange in their state.

But Brownback said that while states may have the ability to opt out, taxpayers in those states “would still see their federal tax dollars fund elective abortions in other states.”

He said the arguments over abortion may doom the bill because some Democrats believe the House abortion language is too strict, while others say they can’t support reform without those provisions.

“Since the Democrats are working with a thin margin of support for the bill in the House, it is just possible that the attempt to use health care reform to force taxpayer funding for abortion will end up killing the bill,” Brownback said.

The bills would require nearly all citizens to have insurance and provide subsidies to help lower-income people purchase coverage. Insurance companies would be prohibited from denying coverage to people with pre-existing health conditions.

In his weekly address last week, Obama urged passage of reform legislation, saying it will reduce the cost of health care and strengthen Medicare.

In addition, he said, the proposals “represent the toughest measures we’ve ever taken to hold the insurance industry accountable.”

Comments

BrianR 4 years, 3 months ago

The wack-Right has been trying to redefine fascism for a long time. More lies and deception.

If Brownback ends up as governor, remember this, he wouldn't piss on any of you if you were on fire. He is interested in: 1) getting elected/re-elected, 2) The Party, 3) special interests, 4) special interests, 5) special interests, 6) special interests, 7) special interests, 8) special interests, 9) special interests, 10) special interests, 11) special interests, 12) special interests, 13) special interests, 14) special interests, 15) The People. And I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, it's probably much worse than this.

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Stu Clark 4 years, 3 months ago

nota,

Just how far did you have to go to find all those definitions of facism? They're all pretty subjective. The one offered by edjay is the closest to what I have understood for the last 50 yaars the term to mean. You and your right-wing cronies are redefining the term to suit your own agenda.

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HEY_FUQ 4 years, 3 months ago

Nota should realize that most of this country and and large parts of the world look down at Kansans. So maybe people in Lawrence are a little more in tune with reality than he thinks. Those who are educated solely by the bible and only have experience with people with the same homogenous views are not as smart as they think.

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edjayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… BTW, little one, does it bother you just a little bit that you complain about someone else's posts being too long and winded, while you're vehemently defending a 2000+ piece of legislation that neither you nor anyone else has read or understands?

You are ignorant. One has nothing to do with the other. What have you been smoking?

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edjayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

Notasmartjayhawk is a tool. He argues about anything without a lot of reasoning. If you make a solid point he comes back with something he makes up. Don't take him seriously...

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toddtrip 4 years, 3 months ago

I wonder how many write-in votes we can begin to garner for an independent?

A new party in Kansas - 'Brownshirt NOT'

Let's all do a write-in campaign for X X X X

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bd 4 years, 3 months ago

What a joke! Larryville had better get used to Brownback, he will be our next Governor.

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pace 4 years, 3 months ago

Brownback and the Gop just want to stop health care reform, that is the only thing they have been honest about. They are unapologetic about lying to do it. If we as a people accept that then a lot of people have died and sacrificed in vain.

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notajayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

Oh, forgive me, bobbie, I thought you were referencing the fact that I was from the east coast. Too tired. However, do you think the politics of Pittsburg and Syracuse are closer to yours, or mine?

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notajayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

Bob_Keeshan (Anonymous) says…

"notajayhawk does. Probably because of the extensive experience notajayhawk has with the rest of the state. All that time spent in Syracuse and Pittsburg and places in between."

Never been to either place, bobbie. I have been outside Lawrence, though - you should try it some time. You might find out a couple of things - like there are actually other cities in the eastern states besides those two. And on a more local level, you might just begin to realize that the political leanings expressed by such fine Larryville spokesmen as eddie, your esteemed self, and the porch-troll aren't very common in the rest of the state. And pretty much nobody else in Kansas cares about the whining of the Lawrence liberals about our next governor or the Republican legislature.

(Psssst - bobbie - I've been here for almost 20 years now, BTW. And the fact that I share the values of most of the people of Kansas is one of the reasons I came in the first place.)


porch_person (Anonymous) says…

"You have to b1tch at someone else to get that transferred hate dissipated somewhere. Even it makes you look stupid in the process."

This coming from the troll that pops in to the thread to say something about me rather than the story.

Pure genius, pooch.

And Obama a "centrist"?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And I don't know anything about his policies? You're priceless, child.

By the way, though, poochie, I'd be absolutely fascinated to know YOUR definition of fascism, and which particular parts of my citations you don't think apply to your Dear Leader.

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Bob_Keeshan 4 years, 3 months ago

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…

When are you whack-jobs from Larryville gonna' realize you do not know, do not understand, are not representative of (thank god), and most certainly do not speak for 'Kansas'?

But you know who does?

notajayhawk does. Probably because of the extensive experience notajayhawk has with the rest of the state. All that time spent in Syracuse and Pittsburg and places in between.

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Number_1_Grandma 4 years, 3 months ago

Valkyrie_of_Reason (Kathy Getto) says… I'd take Bob Dole back in a flash! Saying Dole is like Brownback is just plain mean.


You would.....

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porch_person 4 years, 3 months ago

Have you noticed something, notajayhawk?

You have to b1tch at someone else to get that transferred hate dissipated somewhere. Even it makes you look stupid in the process.

If you think a centrist like Obama is a fascist, that opinion alone cries out, "I don't know what Obama's policies are, nor do I know what fascism is."

(laughter)

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notajayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

edjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

"You knocked doing away with pre-existing conditions and now you support it. Which is it?"

Hmmm. Perhaps if you could read:

22 December 2009 at 10:13 p.m. notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…

"I have never said anything to the contrary, and I have stated at least a couple of times I have no problem with forcing coverage for people with pre-existing conditions "

Yeah, I can see how that might be unclear to someone with your rather limited reading comprehension.

"Uh, thats not the definition of facism. It would help if you read and did your homework first before posting ignorant statements."

"fascism - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

Or, since you seem to think Wiki is the ultimate authority, how about this one?

"Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."

And some of its features?

  • The Cult of Action for Action's Sake
  • Disagreement is Treason
  • Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class

Or, when you were doing your 'homework' on Wiki, eddie, didn't you happen to come across this?

"What constitutes a definition of fascism and fascist governments is a highly disputed subject that has proved complicated and contentious. Historians, political scientists, and other scholars have engaged in long and furious debates concerning the exact nature of fascism and its core tenets."

In any event, I stand by my earlier comparison to Obama and his Senate minions.

"Your posts are too long and winded and are getting more like Merrill. I don't even pay much attention to your babble because I'm not sure what is fact and what is fiction, not to mention your hostality and name calling."

Glad you weren't paying much attention. Before your three replies. At least we have no problem telling fact from fiction in your posts, eddie - the former is notably and completely absent.

BTW, little one, does it bother you just a little bit that you complain about someone else's posts being too long and winded, while you're vehemently defending a 2000+ piece of legislation that neither you nor anyone else has read or understands? I've asked you a couple of times to explain the necessity for such a monstrosity, eddie - and your answer is that something less than 3,000 characters is too long?

Brilliant as always, eddie.

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toddtrip 4 years, 3 months ago

OMG Brownback is a neanderthal.

much more important than his morality soap box:

In a rush to pass a massive health care overhaul before Christmas, the Senate has included a last-minute provision targeting the construction industry that, according to the NAHB, threatens to derail the fragile housing recovery and the solvency of countless small home-building firms.

The National Association of Home Builders reported yesterday that in order to find the 60 votes needed to pass health care reform, a provision was slipped into the health care bill that targets small construction industry firms by mandating that they provide health insurance if they employ more than five workers. That is the same mandate required for big businesses. Meanwhile, all other small businesses – with the exception of the construction industry -- would be exempt from providing mandatory health coverage if they employ 50 workers or less.

Under the bill, employers with more than 50 employees would be required to provide insurance or pay a $750 fine for each employee. "The Wall Street Journal" also reported that the group claims every industry with fewer than 50 employees is exempted, except for the construction industry.

“This narrow provision is an unprecedented assault on the construction industry and unjustly targets an industry trying to keep its doors open during the worst housing downturn since the Great Depression,” said NAHB Chairman Joe Robson, a home builder from Tulsa, Okla. “If this provision were to be enacted into law, it would prove to be catastrophic for the home building industry. In short, this is a true jobs killer. Thousands of small builder firms struggling to stay afloat could go under. We strongly urge the Senate to reconsider and pull this onerous provision that threatens the viability of small home builders across the nation.”

BNI News Archive

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 3 months ago

In other news: Who is saying the Senate healthcare mess should be ditched?

“Washington (CNN) -- The Senate health care bill is not worthy of the historic vote that the House took a month ago. Even though the House version is far from perfect, it at least represents a step toward our goal of giving 36 million Americans decent health coverage. But under the Senate plan, millions of Americans will be forced into private insurance company plans, which will be subsidized by taxpayers. That alternative will do almost nothing to reform health care but will be a windfall for insurance companies. Is it any surprise that stock prices for some of those insurers are up recently? I do not want to subsidize the private insurance market; the whole point of creating a government option is to bring prices down. Insisting on a government mandate to have insurance without a better alternative to the status quo is not true reform.”

Rep. Louise M. Slaughter, a Democrat, represents the 28th Congressional District of New York. Slaughter is the first woman to chair the House Rules Committee and the only microbiologist in Congress. http://edition.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/12/23/slaughter.oppose.senate.bill/

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Leslie Swearingen 4 years, 3 months ago

I was trying to say that Catholic hospitals and doctors and nurses could provide medical care to Catholics. Therefore, Catholics could live according to the tenets of their faith. And, everyone else live by theirs. The sticking point is people who don't want public taxes used to finance something they don't like. Well, taxes are used for the entire country, for a lot of different things.

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barrypenders 4 years, 3 months ago

Why don't the people that want birth control use Karnal Knowledge to fund their initiative. ACORN is already administering a program for people from other countries that use the funds from Karnal Knowledge to avoid paying taxes. This sounds like a "Win Win" program to pay for their measures of birth control. The same principle that is used to tax ciggarettes to fund people to quit smoking, could be used to fund PA's measure of birth control.

Stimulus, 8%, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless you all

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 3 months ago

While the fortification of private insurers is the most malignant aspect of the bill, several other provisions threaten harm to vulnerable patients, including:

  • The bill’s anti-abortion provisions would restrict reproductive choice, compromising the health of women and adolescent girls.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/december/pro-single-payer-physicians-call-for-defeat-of-senate-health-bill

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 3 months ago

Yes there are so many choices regarding birth control: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control-4211.htm

Key Issues: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/key-issues/?utma=1.3814705724074681000.1243992266.1260850428.1261587492.9&utmb=1.34.10.1261587492&utmc=1&utmx=-&utmz=1.1260850428.8.9.utmcsr=google|utmccn=%28organic%29|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=planned%20parenthood&utmv=-&__utmk=100045854

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Catbacker 4 years, 3 months ago

Agnostick - Certainly you understand that logic can NEVER enter into the abortion arguments. It is unhelpful from both sides perspective, as it quells their incessant need to hear themselves bitch.

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Agnostick 4 years, 3 months ago

The irony here is that, if managed correctly, I think there's a good chance that healthcare reform could "kill" abortion. Or at the very least, severely cripple it.

All this blather and bluster about subsidies for policies that cover abortion; how much of those "subsidies" are being used to provide better access to birth control, or education programs?

There are sometimes medically sound and medically-necessary reasons for an abortion--but a lot of them happen because a pregnant woman, for whatever reason, simply does not want to be pregnant. What if there was a way to avoid that pregnancy to begin with?

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 3 months ago

cowboy (Anonymous) says… Sam's brother must be moderating today.


i doubt it. His brother was my veterinarian down in Osage County for several years. I don't think he gives much of a squirt what happens in the LJworld comments.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 3 months ago

Why would Kansas women vote Brownback for governor based on his anti womens' rights postion? This is not a new position for this radical politician.

Unfortunately Tihart and Moran are on the same page.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 3 months ago

The house version did encroach on Pro Choice however was not included in the senate version.

This is a matter of great concern. Women cannot sit back and pretend this is NOT going on.

National Organization for Women/NOW's current president, Terry O'Neill was present as a major stakeholder at a November Health Care NOW event in St Louis . Terry made it abundantly clear that womens' rights are at stake therefore it would be a mistake to move forward as written. Yes this matter is a large concern along with others of equal value. Encroaching on Pro Choice is a deal breaker.

Women should be paying close attention.

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bobberboy 4 years, 3 months ago

But Mr. Brownback what about all the poor and destitute ? Is anyone really going to vote for this hypocrite for Gov ? The only ones that will probably vote for him are the other fundamentalist elite.

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bearlybrewed 4 years, 3 months ago

Imagine!!!!!...if Sam's mother would of had an abortion!

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edjayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a political ideology that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian nationalism[1][2][3][4] with a corporatist economic system,[5] and which is usually considered to be on the FAR RIGHT of the traditional left-right political spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10]

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edjayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

Correction: "doesn't fit into the definition of facism"

Peace, Love, and Bobby Sherman...

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edjayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… And speaking of fascists, child, what would you call 60 elected so-called representatives of the citizenry ignoring the wishes of the majority of their constituency to force people to accept something THEY want to further their political ideology?

Uh, thats not the definition of facism. It would help if you read and did your homework first before posting ignorant statements. And the majority of Americans DO want some form of health insurance reform.

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edjayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

Nota, Your posts are too long and winded and are getting more like Merrill. I don't even pay much attention to your babble because I'm not sure what is fact and what is fiction, not to mention your hostality and name calling.

You knocked doing away with pre-existing conditions and now you support it. Which is it?

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notajayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

Made_in_China (Paul R. Getto) says…

"Be afraid, Kansas; be very afraid!"

When are you whack-jobs from Larryville gonna' realize you do not know, do not understand, are not representative of (thank god), and most certainly do not speak for 'Kansas'?

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sk8infreeee1 4 years, 3 months ago

Thanks. You too. I hope everyone has a great holiday.

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leedavid 4 years, 3 months ago

Sk8infreee1 thanks for your work....I was just there with chest pains and everyone there was the best. It was humbling actually the care I got in the ER. Have a great holiday.

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sk8infreeee1 4 years, 3 months ago

Anyhow, peace everyone, I'm off my graveyard shift now in the ER. I'm done helping to save lives here for a few hours and I am going to go get some shut eye. Keep it real.

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sk8infreeee1 4 years, 3 months ago

I agree with you leedavid... abortion or not I do not feel that we should be judging who's care is more important either... we can argue that one till we are blue in the face. And I am sure none of the people posting on here can say hey if I had an ectopic pregnancy I would just die... whatever...its natural..whatever...say that when their child gets cancer or their spouse has a heart attack... and we let them die naturally...

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sk8infreeee1 4 years, 3 months ago

People are dying in other places for your freedom. What about that... A life for a life...

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sk8infreeee1 4 years, 3 months ago

What about the human who could die from it? Who's life is more valuable then? What about an ectopic pregnancy?

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leedavid 4 years, 3 months ago

The Iraq war makes it into a discussion about health care?

There should be enough democrats in the house that are against abortion to stop the bill. But they won't. It is far too important for the democrats to pass the bill and save Obama than it is to do what is right.

Forget abortion for a minute. This bill was supposed to insure the uninsured. There are 40 million uninsured and when this bill passes 26 million will remain uninsured. It cost billions of dollars to get votes on this bill and over half of those the bill is for, do not get health insurance.

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BigPrune 4 years, 3 months ago

Why should I have to pay for some lady to kill her unborn baby? It's a travesty that this procedure is legal. Something for all you so-called peace loving liberals to ponder but Al Gore would've beat George Bush for the presidency if his missing voters weren't aborted 18+ years prior. A modern day holocaust, out of sight out of mind. No religion playing here, the unborn boy or girl is a human being and that is a scientific fact.

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sk8infreeee1 4 years, 3 months ago

I think the whole idea about what is important to cover and what is not is irrelevant. How different is it that someone wants an abortion covered who got pregnant verses someone who didnt take care of themselves ( because they expect doctors to) and now we are expected to help cover the cost of that (which would be on going). I mean if you look at it from a cost perspective it is cheaper to cover and abortion vs gastric bypass for example. Or why don't we just NOTcover the person who was HIT by a drunk driver, cause he should have and could have been wearing a seat belt (the military does this). If we are going to give public healthcare or care of any kind covered by a licensed professional all care should be covered or no care at all and then just let society themselves continue to fund the programs that help those that "society" finds (at the time) to be most worthy of their donations (Like planned parenthood for example). However, if a mother is raped or could die from giving birth, that is a good of a reason as any to say, why the hell should religion have anything to do with writing the laws of the land. Besides everyone could be practicing preventative health care. From that perspective, if everyone was, health care premiums would go down.

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BrianR 4 years, 3 months ago

Thanks purplesage, when I saw the headline my first question was, "How does a $#&@ &$%(@*% like this get elected to any office?" and you answered nicely.

There is no hope.

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barrypenders 4 years, 3 months ago

mdrndgtl makes a sound observation.

There needs to be better farming/breeding techniques used to raise homo-sapiens. The Chinese are off to a good start by limiting female stock. But, In my opinion, this may not be necessary, because a toothpaste capful of semen/sperm, can impregnate millions of females.The Chinese should be limiting the production of males. People like Brownback, have an honorable yet archaic disposition concerning the farming/raising of humans. D&C's are a necessary stage with the evolution process of humans.

Stimulus, Michael Jackson, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless you all

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Paul R Getto 4 years, 3 months ago

The R's have two objectives: Kill health care reform and hope the economy does not continue the recovery. Senator Sam is a hypocrite, but one who has his assigned lines down pat. Be afraid, Kansas; be very afraid!

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pace 4 years, 3 months ago

Brownback and the republicans should be ashamed of standing in the way of working families gaining access to some sort of reasonable health care. Their posture of demonizing any action by the President of this country is not the same as moving their butts on working to get jobs going, let working families get health care with some sort of sane processs. Many are dieing. Working families are being enslaved by unregulated corporate greed. When the company store is the only store to buy antibiotics for your child it isn't anti socialism, it is just slapping the working families in the face.

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mdrndgtl 4 years, 3 months ago

This is a no-win, because abortion also kills future Brownbacks...

Stimulus and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless you all

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notajayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

rhd99 (Anonymous) says…

"I'll make a deal with you, I'll sell you the Golden Bridge for $5 Trillion."

See? NOW you're talking like a Democratic congressman!

:)

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rhd99 4 years, 3 months ago

Well, well, well. Isn't this special?! HMM? Yeah, Hollywood got a dream of a President, didn't they? Yeah, Jimmy Fallon & Conan O'Brien, along with Katie (the DITZ) Couric got their wish of health care reform. You want to know who the real idiots are? Look no further than these self-centered idiot millionaires who, like Rich Hach of that Survivor Game show, love to thumb their noses at us, & evade paying their taxes. Oh, I am so sorry, how about tax cheat Tim GEITNER? Oh, yeah, Obama is the change I can believe in? I'll make a deal with you, I'll sell you the Golden Bridge for $5 Trillion.

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notajayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

overthemoon (Anonymous) says…

"Ummm…That would have been Bush Sr's war. Remember?"

Why, yes. And guess what - Germany, Korea, and the Balkans didn't belong to either of them. Yet they were all referenced in the speech you claimed "was referring to Afghanistan." Seems he had a slightly broader view of history in mind when he said there was sometimes justification for war.

"Obama is president in the the midst of two wars. One, in Afghanistan, that has justification. The other, against…ummm…against someone we don't like getting control of a lot of oil. Unjustified invasion, that one was. Don't assume for one minute that is was for ending the tyranny of Saddam Hussein over entire tribes…it was for oil."

Um, okay.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1626889.stm

So just to clarify: Your definition of a 'justifiable' war is one waged by a Democrat; your definition of an 'unjustifiable' war, which is really being fought over oil, is one being waged by a Republican.

So glad to see my assumptions about you were wrong, moonie.

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overthemoon 4 years, 3 months ago

“Likewise, the world recognized the need to confront Saddam Hussein when he invaded Kuwait — a consensus that sent a clear message to all about the cost of aggression.”

Ummm...That would have been Bush Sr's war. Remember? Operation Desert Storm? Hussein, if you remember, was driven back out of Kuwait. Justifiable action by all accounts. Absolutely nothing to do with invading Iran under George Jr. under the false pretenses of potential or real threat of WMD's.

And yes, Obama is president in the the midst of two wars. One, in Afghanistan, that has justification. The other, against...ummm...against someone we don't like getting control of a lot of oil. Unjustified invasion, that one was. Don't assume for one minute that is was for ending the tyranny of Saddam Hussein over entire tribes...it was for oil.

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notajayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

edjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

"You are like all right-wing fascists attempting to dominate with fear, anger, and name calling. Why don't you grow up and act like an adult? Or do you even know what one is."

From the same person who just six minutes earlier posted: "Or die in the streets Shewmon." Or earlier: "He's going to be even more scary when he becomes Governor. Dealth penalty for having an abortion? Wouldn't surprise me in the least."

That's the same type of broken record the 'reformists' keep reciting ad nauseum - 'If we don't pass THIS bill right NOW we're all going to die horribly and painfully, alone and penniless lying on the sidewalk.' And those opposed to this nonsense are the 'fear mongerers.'

And speaking of fascists, child, what would you call 60 elected so-called representatives of the citizenry ignoring the wishes of the majority of their constituency to force people to accept something THEY want to further their political ideology?

"So you are saying you support doing away with pre-existing conditions? Please enlighten me, I don't understand what you are saying."

Gee, there's a shock. I have never said anything to the contrary, and I have stated at least a couple of times I have no problem with forcing coverage for people with pre-existing conditions (although they should be able to charge higher premiums), although the condition itself is another matter entirely. I am also in favor of forcing continued coverage after an illness develops, as long as premiums are paid, although I think we could come up with a better way of paying for treatment of chronic illnesses, more along the way that car or homeowners insurance works.

Again, that could be done with a one-page piece of legislation. We need several thousand pages that nobody can follow and nobody has read for what, again?

And I've said this before, also: You don't manipulate all the variables at once in a research study, because you don't know which one has what effects. Legislation could have been written to address each of the targeted problems with our current system, smaller, understandable, less cumbersome. If this current POS passes and becomes law, we won't have any idea what worked or didn't work.

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Newell_Post 4 years, 3 months ago

I don't know why, but every time I see the look in Brownback's eyes, I am reminded of Quint's lines from "Jaws":

Sometimes that shark, he looks right into you. Right into your eyes. You know the thing about a shark, he's got...lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eye. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'. Until he bites ya and those black eyes roll over white. And then, ah then you hear that terrible high pitch screamin' and the ocean turns red and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin' they all come in and rip you to pieces..... A little shakin', a little renderizin', and down you go.

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Kathy Getto 4 years, 3 months ago

I'd take Bob Dole back in a flash! Saying Dole is like Brownback is just plain mean.

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Number_1_Grandma 4 years, 3 months ago

Anything Brownback is against, I am for!

Brownback is another Dole. (embarrassment to Kansas) I wish he would do as Dole did and leave Kansas.

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edjayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…

You are like all right-wing fascists attempting to dominate with fear, anger, and name calling. Why don't you grow up and act like an adult? Or do you even know what one is.

So you are saying you support doing away with pre-existing conditions? Please enlighten me, I don't understand what you are saying.

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notajayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

overthemoon (Anonymous) says…

"And Obama was referring to Afghanistan, not George's war for oil."

Uh huh.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/12/10/2009-12-10_barack_obama_nobel_peace_prize_speech_full_transcript.html

Some excerpts:

"But perhaps the most profound issue surrounding my receipt of this prize is the fact that I am the Commander-in-Chief of a nation in the midst of TWO wars." [emphasis mine]

"These questions are not new. War, in one form or another, appeared with the first man. At the dawn of history, its morality was not questioned; it was simply a fact, like drought or disease — the manner in which tribes and then civilizations sought power and settled their differences."

"We must begin by acknowledging the hard truth that we will not eradicate violent conflict in our lifetimes. There will be times when nations — acting individually or in concert — will find the use of force not only necessary but morally justified."

"For make no mistake: Evil does exist in the world. A nonviolent movement could not have halted Hitler's armies. Negotiations cannot convince al-Qaida's leaders to lay down their arms. To say that force is sometimes necessary is not a call to cynicism — it is a recognition of history, the imperfections of man and the limits of reason."

" The United States of America has helped underwrite global security for more than six decades with the blood of our citizens and the strength of our arms. The service and sacrifice of our men and women in uniform has promoted peace and prosperity from Germany to Korea, and enabled democracy to take hold in places like the Balkans. We have borne this burden not because we seek to impose our will. We have done so out of enlightened self-interest — because we seek a better future for our children and grandchildren, and we believe that their lives will be better if other people's children and grandchildren can live in freedom and prosperity."

Or, my favorite:

"Likewise, the world recognized the need to confront Saddam Hussein when he invaded Kuwait — a consensus that sent a clear message to all about the cost of aggression."

At least I was correct in my assumption that you have no idea what you're talking about.

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edjayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

Or die in the streets Shewmon. Are you willing to pay for them to live? I bet NO since you don't want to pay taxes. Would you be willing to adopt? Probably again NO.

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purplesage 4 years, 3 months ago

I hope the Senator is correct. They are voting Christmas eve to give us a gift many of us don't want. Health care needs reformation; it does not need socialization.

Closed circuit to normal: abortion usually kills babies, though occasionally there's a survivor. It occasionally kills mothers, too. And it is killing the heart of this nation, as compassion and a willingness to defend the helpless die an agonizing death.

It will be a good day for Kansas when Mr. Brownback takes the oath of office as our governor but I wonder if he could not be more strategically helpful in the Senate?

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overthemoon 4 years, 3 months ago

Nota jay

You are making vast assumptions and totally irrational and wrong about my position on a lot of things. And Obama was referring to Afghanistan, not George's war for oil.

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notajayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

overthemoon (Anonymous) says…

"Or the thousands of mother's children killed by Bush's glory war for nothing. Where is the outrage and the 'right to life' screaming on that one?"

Even your Dear Leader, accepting his (laughable) Peace Prize, said sometimes war is necessary, moonie.

What about all those tens and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Iranians who died as a result of Saddam's agression, or the tens or hundreds of thousands of his own people he murdered? Where is your outrage and right to life on their behalf, moon? Oh, that's right - out of sight, out of mind, as long as it was nobody you knew. My, how authentically spiritual of you.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 3 months ago

So what, you got your Franken, he'll pass anything without so much as a speed reader reading it to his illiterate arse. We have our Brownbacks, and we have our blithering, failed left-wing radio talkers in congress.....deal with it, I do. Thing is, they're all likely going to be issued a pink slip by America over the next few years. Stop breathing so hard, you're expending WAY too much carbon dioxide. Cass Sunstein, John Holdren and Carol Browner would appreciate it---they're already having too many sleepless nights desperately trying to figure out how to prevent any more humans from exhaling.

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barrypenders 4 years, 3 months ago

Why do I have to pay for someone else's medical procedure? I'm all for females getting rid of their issues. But why do I have to pay for it?

Stimulus, Sexual Artesians, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless you all

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overthemoon 4 years, 3 months ago

Let me clarify. I have nothing against Christians who follow their faith. I have EVERYTHING against Christianists who wish to force me to adhere to their distortions of a creed that has little to do with authentic spirituality..

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overthemoon 4 years, 3 months ago

Yes Tom. sure. They may have written poetry someday, or do other great things. But if they end up poor, uneducated, and bound for a life of crime, you don't give a da mn anymore, right? Let 'em fail if they can't pull themselves up with bootstraps they haven't got, right? Let the 'free market' solve the problems of education, poverty, crime and an over sexed society, right?

What about the kids killed playing with daddy's guns? Or the thousands of mother's children killed by Bush's glory war for nothing. Where is the outrage and the 'right to life' screaming on that one?

Brownback is a Christainist and a wanna be Theocrat. The very antithesis of the American way and completely at odds with the careful and deliberate construction of our constitution to avoid such sanctimonious morons.

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beobachter 4 years, 3 months ago

No, Tom I'm against Brownback for being a mindless christian who believes in fairy tales and lacks ability to think for himself. Kinda like a frequent poster we all know who thinks anyone to the left of Cal or the druggie is a dratted liberal. Sound like anyone you know?

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notajayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

fastwalker (Anonymous) says…

"Your headline is so sick it hurts"

Actually, the best possible outcome for this so-called 'reform' package would be an abortion - we're all in trouble if it's 'born.'

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fastwalker 4 years, 3 months ago

Your headline is so sick it hurts, Red Shield.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 3 months ago

"...I ridicule Brownback for being a religious radical nutcase." -beoB

In other words, beoB ridicules Sam for being a Christian who is against legalized infanticide. Infants who will be born, become humans and possibly write poetry and self-published books someday.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 3 months ago

Eugenics is serious business with Democrats nowadays. This is but one piece of the puzzle of their plan to save the planet. Brownback better watch his back. Progressive Extremist Environmentalists (PEE) will not be having obstructionists like Brownback blowing their plan.

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Kirk Larson 4 years, 3 months ago

denak, when you say "if the whole issue of abortion was taken out of the bill" you mean it would be covered like any other procedure I presume. I'm not super happy with either House or Senate bill, but then most of the problems in them come from stuff republicans insisted on putting in and then refused to vote for. Anyway, it's a start. Give it a few years then take a big hammer and do some adjusting.

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beobachter 4 years, 3 months ago

denak, I don't ridicule Brownback because of abortion, I ridicule Brownback for being a religious radical nutcase.

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denak 4 years, 3 months ago

Here is a simple question....

Many of you are ridiculing Brownback because he does not want coverage for elective abortion in the health care reform bill but how many of you would support this bill if the whole issue of abortion was taken out of the bill. How many of you, who are pro-abortion, would support it then?

It is easy to ridicule someone for being pro-life or sneer and imply that they aren't really pro-life because they won't support elective abortion but how many of you would be willing to compromise on this issue or would you rather the whole bill fall apart because a compromise can't be reached. There seems to be a heck of a lot of people on capital hill who are more than willing to kill this bill over abortion and it isn't just people like Brownback.

Dena

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denak 4 years, 3 months ago

"......there was no science in the bible. it hadn't been invented yet.....

Really are you sure of that RUNormal. I guess that science hadn't been invented yet would come as a shock to the ancient Greek, Roman and Babylonian cultures who already knew about the atomic hypothesis, the immune system, the Earth's rotation, the moon's pull on the tides, and the distance from the sun to the moon.

All of these things were known before the BIble was written down. Next time you try to insult someone's religious text, do a little research first.

Dena:)

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beobachter 4 years, 3 months ago

see LJW is busy protecting their favorite politician today. Seems any post against the nutcase is deleted. Bet this one will be as well.

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barrypenders 4 years, 3 months ago

"Hope"? There is not enough "Pity-Guilt" for his "Hope" to metastasize. There are too many examples for a logical D&C, besides the result of a PA's indiscriminate karnal knowlege.

Stmulus,2+2=4, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless you all

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notajayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

rhd99 (Anonymous) says…

"Question 1. ..."

Question 3 . If this bill is so wonderful and all on the up-and-up, why did Scary Reid schedule votes on weekends, in the middle of the night, and on Christmas Eve?

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rhd99 4 years, 3 months ago

notajayhawk, Thanks. Now, for the rest of you who support health reform in its current illogical ways, people are going to be fined for their inability to afford health insurance. Some say the major portions of this bill won't happen for five years.
Question 1. Are people under this irresponsible government going to go to jail if they cannot afford health insurance? Question 2: If this is health insurance reform I can believe in, then why is it going to take an anemic five years for us to see the benefits.

This is NOT health reform.

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Sylvie Rueff 4 years, 3 months ago

I called Sen. Sam's office, and asked what it would take for him to support health care reform.  
His staffer said he would not support health care reform under any circumstances.
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cowboy 4 years, 3 months ago

Sam's brother must be moderating today , while Brownback spews his gospel of " were all turning " socialists , his family has raked in over $500,000 dollars in farm subsidy's over the past decade. The height of hypocrisy.

Ms Bachman has neatly pocketed $250,000 for her family farm.

As is typical with the preaching right , when you look into their closets you find the most amazing things.

I do not necessarily have a major problem with farm supports , if you're going to stand and pray on the soapbox you had better clean up your own house first.

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notajayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

rhd99 (Anonymous) says…

"If this stupid bill is health care reform, I have the Golden Gate Bridge to sell you for $2."

You're not thinking like a Democrat, rhd.

Offer to sell it to them for $2 trillion dollars and they'll jump at it.


edjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

"Two words: Pre-existing Conditions"

Something that could have been fixed with brevity similar to yours. The actual part of the bill that forbids insurance companies from denying or terminating coverage for pre-existing conditions is less than a page. The other 2075 pages are for what, eddie?

And it's nice that those with pre-existing conditions will have equal access - which is to say none of us will have affordable access. Read the part of the bill that claims to reduce/control healthcare costs, eddie. If you have five or six functional neurons floating around between your ears, you might just be able to understand why that is going to make healthcare costs skyrocket.

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rhd99 4 years, 3 months ago

Socialist Sam?! Are you kidding me? Who is the socialist threatening to put people in jail for being unable to afford health insurance? HMM? Uh, His initials are B.O. Get the big picture? Health-care reform, my backside! If this stupid bill is health care reform, I have the Golden Gate Bridge to sell you for $2.

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cowboy 4 years, 3 months ago

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feeble 4 years, 3 months ago

The Stupak Amendment would actually allow public funds for an abortion in the hypothetical offered by Cappy. It denies public funds "to pay for any abortion or to cover any part of the costs of any health plan that includes coverage of abortion" except in cases of rape, incest or danger to the life of the mother.

Nothing in either of the bills in Congress overturns the Hyde Amendment, this all just last minute FUD from the GOP.

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meggers 4 years, 3 months ago

Actually, Comrade, that's Brownback's logic- only instead of euthanasia, the people who can't afford the health care they need get to die a slow, undignified, and often painful death. Every life is precious until it sucks air. Then it's on it's own.

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Kirk Larson 4 years, 3 months ago

Hey wait! cowboy just mentioned a story about how Brownback is a big receiver of farm subsidies-you know, socialist money-for his farm business interests along with Michele Bauchman and other self appointed "free market" republicans. Why does that merit removal?

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ComradeRedRooster 4 years, 3 months ago

Yeah Meggers, Your logic dictates that we just euthanize the poor right now to save on health care costs.

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meggers 4 years, 3 months ago

So what Brownback really means is that he and the rest of his kicking and screaming minions will continue to toss abortion out there as a red herring, so all of those fetuses he's protecting can grow up be denied affordable health care.

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lawrencefan 4 years, 3 months ago

Senator Brownback, in his own unique way, is simply singing yet another verse from the GOP songbook: Criticize with over the top fear mongering rhetoric, while failing to offer anything that remotely suggests an alternative to our current health care abortion. This is what we have to look forward to as governor: All negative blather with nothing whatsoever in the way of constructive improvements for the people.

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phoggyjay 4 years, 3 months ago

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brujablanco 4 years, 3 months ago

Irish, you are saying foolish things for the sake of it. You stop that now.

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cowboy 4 years, 3 months ago

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 3 months ago

Irish, i think that if Catholic hospitals gave only religious help to Catholic patients, they would all go broke quickly. after all, there was no science in the bible. it hadn't been invented yet. what they could do is wait for you to die, and after a 3 days, bring you back to life.

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nobody1793 4 years, 3 months ago

Just how many tax dollars would be going to abortions anyway, compared to how many tax dollars would be going to cancer, heart disease, alzheimers, diabetes, etc. etc.? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%? 0.001%?

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 3 months ago

that is a hell of a headline for this topic. aside from health care reform bills, who can name other things that abortions kill?

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Centerville 4 years, 3 months ago

Sebelius now on tape bragging that 'confusing' accounting will cover up all the mandatory contributions for ab ortions. The whte trash never sleeps.

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Leslie Swearingen 4 years, 3 months ago

Cappy you are being rude for its own sake. I think Catholic hospitals and doctors should treat Catholics according to their faith. Everyone else can go to a different hospital or doctor. No one faith should be making public law that affects everyone. If you choose not to have an abortion you certainly have to right not to.

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edjayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

Just wait 'til you see what it costs to fix that “thing in my right lung” after this bill passes. At least you'll have a lot more company from people that can't afford treatment now.

Two words: Pre-existing Conditions

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edjayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

He's going to be even more scary when he becomes Governor. Dealth penalty for having an abortion? Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

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Kirk Larson 4 years, 3 months ago

Brownbacking leads to Santorum.

So, if a pregnant woman develops perinatal diabetes, the placenta is tearing away, she either aborts or risks death/infertility. Morons like Brownback would roll their eyes heaven-ward and say,"Guess it's god's will". Well, here's a message for you: God thinks you're a jerk.

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notajayhawk 4 years, 3 months ago

autie (Anonymous) says…

"The man has no business making policy for anybody…especially Kansans."

Apparently Brownback speaks for a lot more Kansans than Larryville does, autie.


prolifersforwar;

Well, I see you got the rhetoric part down pat. Like most of the Barackolytes, you have not read or did not understand what's in this POS bill.

Just wait 'til you see what it costs to fix that "thing in my right lung" after this bill passes. At least you'll have a lot more company from people that can't afford treatment now.

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prolifersforwar 4 years, 3 months ago

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autie 4 years, 3 months ago

Is he just plain stupid? From what I've seen, there are no federal dollars paying for abortion in either version. The man has no business making policy for anybody...especially Kansans. Maybe he should move to Uganda.

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BrianR 4 years, 3 months ago

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anon1958 4 years, 4 months ago

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