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Gore: Polar ice may disappear in 5 years

December 15, 2009

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— New computer modeling suggests the Arctic Ocean may be nearly ice-free in the summertime as early as 2014, Al Gore said Monday at the U.N. climate conference.

This new projection, following several years of dramatic retreat by polar sea ice, suggests that the ice cap may nearly vanish in the summer much sooner than the year 2030, as was forecast by a U.S. government agency eight months ago.

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SettingTheRecordStraight 4 years, 10 months ago

Think of the shipping channels that will open up!

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temperance 4 years, 10 months ago

How can that be? I thought that eight out-of-context stolen emails has completely disproven global warming. At least that's what Sean Hannity tells me, and I get all of my information from him. He's such a good American.

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 10 months ago

"temperance (Anonymous) says… How can that be?..." Mainly because Uncle Al is just making stuff up.

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randysavage 4 years, 10 months ago

temperance (Anonymous) says… How can that be? I thought that a bogus documentary created by a attention monger and inventor of the interweb had proven global warming to be an unwavering truth. At least that's what Al Gore and Keith Olbermann tell me, and I get all of my information from them. They are such good Americans.


Fixed your post

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Clickker 4 years, 10 months ago

The only ice that is going to disappear by then is the Ice in Gore's Scotch & Water.

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 10 months ago

TOB, Al has some major electrical bills for his mansion. He's not very green when it comes to his own house.....

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BorderRuffian 4 years, 10 months ago

Hmmmmmmm, I was wondering about all this global warming (that is solely the fault of the Bush administration) as I walked - and froze - to the post office this morning. Nothing like a little 8 degree weather to illuminate the global warming conspiracy.

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BigPrune 4 years, 10 months ago

...and in 5 years when Al Gore is proven wrong yet again, the press will NEVER report his wrong prediction.

One thing is certain, if the polar ice does disappear, the sea levels will NOT rise at all.

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Cant_Rand 4 years, 10 months ago

He he, we got the tinfoil hats out today! Giant piece of Antartica breaks off, heading towards Australia...yet "lookey over here! stolen e-mails!"...keep marginalizing yourselves fellas! No one can do it as easily as you simply spouting your ignorant opinions! Keep up the good work!

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Chris Golledge 4 years, 10 months ago

Arctic ice is like a canary in a coal mine. It's loss won't have nearly as strong an impact on us (other than the feedback effects and weather changes that result from having lots more heat in the arctic through fall and early winter) as the warming and weather pattern changes that are causing it will have (are having).

Here, take a look at the red line in figure 4 and make your own guess as to where and when it is going.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/ipcc-scientific-consensus.htm

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 10 months ago

Worth repeating: “…A 30-year minimum Antarctic snowmelt record occurred during austral summer 2008–2009 according to spaceborne microwave observations for 1980–2009. Strong positive phases of both the El-Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO) and the Southern Hemisphere Annular Mode (SAM) were recorded during the months leading up to and including the 2008–2009 melt season…." http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2009/10/06/antarctic-ice-melt-at-lowest-levels-in-satellite-era/

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Chris Golledge 4 years, 10 months ago

OK Snap, what do you think that means? Because, if you think that the earth, globally, is not getting warmer simply because the phases of ENSO and SAM caused lower snow melt in Antarctica, it's not that simple. And, you have ignored the studies which show that most of the Antarctic warming has occurred in winter and spring, while most of the melting takes place in the summer.

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yourworstnightmare 4 years, 10 months ago

Yes, just as the Piltdown man hoax disproved the entire field of paleoanthropology and the cold fusion hoax disproved all work on nuclear fusion, the few emails about massaged data have disproven global warming.

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Chris Golledge 4 years, 10 months ago

It's dark in Antarctica all winter. So, if it is warmer (relatively speaking of course), then something is insulating it more than it used to. Offhand, I can't say whether that is more ozone, clouds, CO2, or some combination. We know there is more CO2, ozone is still down, and I don't know about cloud cover.

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kenos 4 years, 10 months ago

I need a break on these computer models. Believe me, my computer doesn't know anything about the weather. Anyway, I was somewhat amazed at how, in this day and age, it's difficult to discern the truth about what satelites and termperature readings should be able to tell us. What I can figure out is that we're being governed by people who lie and love money more than truth and honor. Here are a couple of good sites to look at for climate news: http://www.climatedepot.com & http://anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress.com

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Chris Golledge 4 years, 10 months ago

Sorry, how does what Al Gore say affect events happening in the physical world?

And why is that it every time I try to discuss physical, real world events, the people that argue with me try to turn it to politics and innuendo?

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Chris Golledge 4 years, 10 months ago

OK, not every time, Snap made an honest attempt.

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Cant_Rand 4 years, 10 months ago

Shewmon changes the subject, (nothing new there), and Thing attempts to refute a whole scientific theory by relaying a single misquote! Again, giant ice-shelf breaks off Antarctica, and the response is personal attacks on Al Gore! You guys are losing the audience and your minds! Keep it up I love it!

Please explain why and where this came from...and please, don't bring up all Gore, it makes you appear daft...

http://vinyarb.com/joomla/images/stories/iceberg.jpg

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 10 months ago

I for one am happy to see the earth continue her cycles of warming and cooling. without these cycles, humans would not be alive today, or at least not anything like we currently are.

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Chris Golledge 4 years, 10 months ago

Oh, and, incidentally Snap, the link you provided asks the question, "Where are the press releases?" and states, "But this time around, nothing, nada, zippo from NASA when their ice melt go-to guy Marco Tedesco ..."

Well, I'm wondering how your site posted the snippets from the report if the report was not released.

Countering examples, http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2009GL039186.shtml

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091203101420.htm

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whynaut 4 years, 10 months ago

Thing -- your cut & paste job missed this part of the article, I'm guessing not by accident:

"Others said that, even if quoted correctly, Dr Maslowski’s six-year projection for near-ice-free conditions is at the extreme end of the scale. Most climate scientists agree that a 20 to 30-year timescale is more likely for the near-disappearance of sea ice."

Whew! 20-30 years! What a relief! Of course this is only the opinion of "most climate scientists".

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50YearResident 4 years, 10 months ago

You posters that think Global Warming is only make believe have your heads in the sand. You might want to pull it out and put it somewhere else, or try using it to check the facts.

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 10 months ago

Ice melting at one end of the planet = "Oh noes! Global Warmings!" Ice not melting at the other end of the planet = "Ignore that man behind the curtain."

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whynaut 4 years, 10 months ago

And to think.... if "most climate scientists" are right, then in just 20-30 years, we may have the chance to witness a nearly ice-free Arctic ocean that the Earth hasn't seen since the ice cap was most recently formed (~2 million years ago during the Plocene epoch)! http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/tertiary/pli.html http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/pliocene.html

Talk about a rare opportunity.

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Satirical 4 years, 10 months ago

Is Al Gore the liberal version of Sarah Palin? Oh wait, am I allowed to discuss that on Al Gore's internet?

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jaywalker 4 years, 10 months ago

Not for nothing, and accepting that global warming is a legitimate crisis, what do ya'll think is going to happen w/ the Copehagen summit? Considering the world can't get together to stop atrocities of genocide in Cambodia, Darfur, Rwanda.........what makes you believe they can work together for something so vast and far-reaching?

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Ricky_Vaughn 4 years, 10 months ago

BigPrune (Anonymous) says… One thing is certain, if the polar ice does disappear, the sea levels will NOT rise at all.

Are you kidding? See you on the beach in 5 years. Don't forget your SPF 5000.

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anon1958 4 years, 10 months ago

Regardless of what Al Gore does or thinks about global warming most scientists are persuaded that the earth is warming at a rate that will cause irrepairable ecological harm.

Naysayers like Tomshewmon rely exclusively on shrill rhetoric and emotion. The naysayers are immaterial and by their actions and ignorance completely marginalize themselves from having any real influence on important political decisions. Anyone with even a meager understanding of climate, ecology, nutrient cycles and the physiology of the the shelled marine invertebrates that are at the base of the ocean's food chain is seriously concerned about the way things are heading.

It is a small mercy I suppose to be an ignorant and scientifically illiterate naysayer because you do not have spend any energy being concerned about the hundreds of millions of impoverished people that will suffer the most from the very real and perilous fact of global warming.

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Chris Golledge 4 years, 10 months ago

snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…

Ice melting at one end of the planet = “Oh noes! Global Warmings!” Ice not melting at the other end of the planet = “Ignore that man behind the curtain.”

-- Snap, would you mind looking up a list of how many ice shelves more than 2,000 years old there were on the Antarctic peninsula in, let's say 1950, and how many have collapsed since then. Tell us what you find, and then we'll can decide whether or not some anomalous melting is happening or not.

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Fugu 4 years, 10 months ago

Solomon,

If you are going to claim to have 'facts' about climate change, you should probably cite a link that isn't to a conservative tabloid newspaper. I read the first 5 points and seriously thought it was a joke.

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Fugu 4 years, 10 months ago

I wish Al Gore would just stay out. I'm sick of lazy debaters that use character attacks against him to somehow undermine the science of GW. This lack of logical reasoning has already been used ad nasuem on this thread.

Al Gore made a lot of money off of his movie, therefore anthropogenic global warming is false.

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jmadison 4 years, 10 months ago

Where are the AP fact checkers on this one?

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whynaut 4 years, 10 months ago

Liberty_One says: "... yet here you are claiming that science should be done by a popular vote!"

Um... a popular vote among reputed scientists. Yes... um.. that's actually what science is. A consensus of opinion based on fact, which in essence, is a vote. Good work. You must have been a debate team captain.

Seriously though... the Arctic hasn't been nearly ice free for more than 2 million years and most climate scientists (that is, a popular vote among climate scientists) expect it to be within a mere within 30 years.

I'm no alarmist. I have no agenda. I just find this to be very interesting, and yes, somewhat alarming.

Anyone care to refute this?

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bisky1 4 years, 10 months ago

a little tough to defend gore when he keeps on and on and on saying this kind of crap isn't it bozo?

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igby 4 years, 10 months ago

I get now!

Al going to run against Obama, in 2012. He hoping he can Blame the ice melts on the current Dems and rally all the greenies behind him.

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jaywalker 4 years, 10 months ago

"a popular vote among reputed scientists. Yes… um.. that's actually what science is. A consensus of opinion based on fact, which in essence, is a vote"

Wow. Do yourself and the rest of us a favor. Don't post again 'less you know what you're talking about.

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 10 months ago

I thought the oceans were gonna start going back down the day Dear Leader moved into 1600 Penn. Avenue. For that matter, we still haven't gotten our unicorns.

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gphawk89 4 years, 10 months ago

"Polar ice may disappear in 5 years"

...and then again it may not.

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