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Sewer line needs to be replaced, but city’s lack of easement complicates job

August 31, 2009

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A proposed city project to replace a 70-year-old sewer line in east Lawrence may be dirty business in more ways than one.

City crews recently discovered that a sewer line in the 1500 block of New Hampshire Street has crumbled to the point that it must be replaced. But crews also discovered something else: The city never obtained a sewer easement for the line that serves dozens of homes.

As a result, garages, gardens, backyard playgrounds and large trees are now atop the buried line. That has city engineers scratching their heads over how to bury an 8-inch pipe 10 to 12 feet underground without tearing up a mature neighborhood.

“We would prefer not to have to remove structures,” said Philip Ciesielski, assistant director of utilities for the city. “That’s not in anybody’s best interest. We’re looking for alternatives, but we may still end up in a bad spot.”

City commissioners are expected to approve at their weekly meeting on Tuesday a contract with BG Consultants to study different options for the project. For example, a new route could be chosen for the sewer line, although that could require individual lines to homes to be rerouted. Ciesielski said it also may be possible to bore underneath garages and other structures. The study also will have to consider how to maintain sewer service to the homes during the construction period.

“Hopefully, we’ll have two or three options to pick from,” Ciesielski said.

Ciesielski said the process will involve public meetings with residents in the area to get their feedback on what works best. The process also could end up including real estate negotiations. The city will want an easement for the new sewer line, which means the city will have to negotiate with property owners.

Ciesielski said the city did not have an easement for the sewer line because the city’s process for acquiring easements back in the early part of the 1900s wasn’t “real strong.”

He said the issue comes up occasionally, but often the city has been able to avoid digging up and replacing aging sewer lines. Instead, the city uses a process where it can send a device down a pipe that creates a new inner layer for the pipe. This line, however, already has collapsed too much for that process to work.

The city has responded to six sewer backups in the last year related to the line.

The city also will ask BG Consultants to come up with a plan for replacing a crumbling section of line in the 1100 block of Delaware Street. The city does not have an easement for that line either, but Ciesielski said that area includes much more open space for the city to work.

Ciesielski plans to meet with neighbors at both locations during October, and hopes to start construction before the end of the year.

A total cost for the project hasn’t been determined. The engineering work by BG Consultants — which is expected to cost about $70,000 — will come up with an estimated construction cost.

Commissioners meet at 6:35 p.m. on Tuesday at City Hall, Sixth and Massachusetts streets.

Comments

Stuart Evans 4 years, 7 months ago

i saw a technique on modern marvels awhile back. they would insert a deflated tube the length of the pipe, then inflate it with steam to activate (i believe). that way it created a brand new pipe that would harden inside the old pipe. slightly smaller, but just as good.

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bearded_gnome 4 years, 7 months ago

well, remember how they did the tunnelling in 'the great escape?' do it that way! they didn't disturb the surface, that was the point. hey, put some of the guests at the jail to work on this.

seriously, how many other stretches of old or not so old, sewer lack easements?

above ground...viewing stations...yeah riiiiight.


I hate it when I forget to get easements before I place my pipe!

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demonfury 4 years, 7 months ago

The city will want an easement for the new sewer line, which means the city will have to negotiate with property owners.

Well let's see, the city has raised my utility fee starting in January for sidewalks that I dont have, raised parking rates, and fines, raised rates on my kids parks & rec services, raised the wading pool fees, took the pay to ride bus program away, and now they may have to negotiate to buy a pieces of property in order to pipe the crap out of the neighborhood? I can't wait for this negotiation. Time to show the city what it means to be abused. Mr Corliss, this one's gonna cost you dearly. I would tie this up in litigation far beyond time to replace this sewer line. I would hold out until the city tried to legally take my land for this easement, then hammer them with a lawyer so good at this type of litigation, it will make them scream for a settlement. And I know just the lawyer for he job. What a beautiful opportunity to screw the same decision makers that have screwed the property owners they now need support from. I think that's the purest definition of ironic justice I can think of. It couldn't happen to a more deserving group of people, and at a more opportune time. This ought to be fun !!!!!

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oneeye_wilbur 4 years, 7 months ago

build it above ground , clear pipe, make it an attraction, have viewing stations to watch the sewage flow, think out side the box, isn't that what commissioners are supposed to do?

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igby 4 years, 7 months ago

Sewers deep there, real deep!

The single family homes could get by with a 6 inch rather than the clay 8 inch. Going inside of the existing pipe with a smaller pipe would work. Boring or splitting the eight inch for that long distance would be a mess and costly. Their is a 7 inch plastic PVC special pipe that could work as well.

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Chris Beilman 4 years, 7 months ago

I hope BGC can find an alternate solution. I'm not sure if prescriptive rights would be an exceptable proposal in this case? Either way, it's going to be an expen$ive maintenance project no matter how they resolve this... oops!

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Boston_Corbett 4 years, 7 months ago

Maybe it would be worth hiring an intern for a few months to do some desk checking and find these things now?

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bigmike 4 years, 7 months ago

"city’s lack of easement complicates job" Say it aint so...

How many times is this the case?

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