Archive for Sunday, August 30, 2009

Guillotines? Claims against government fed by paranoia

August 30, 2009


— Is the federal government building secret camps to lock up people who criticize President Barack Obama?

Will it truck off young people to camps to brainwash them into liking Obama’s agenda? Are government officials planning to replicate the French Revolution’s Reign of Terror, using the guillotine to silence their domestic enemies?

No. The charges, of course, are not true.

However, the accusations are out there, a series of fantastic claims fed by paranoia about the government. They’re spread and sometimes cross-pollinated via the Internet. They feed a fringe subset of the anger at the government percolating through the country, one that ignites passion, but also helps Obama’s allies to discount broader anger at the president’s agenda.

In one, retired FBI agent Ted Gunderson says the government has prepared 1,000 camps for its own citizens. He also says the government has stored 30,000 guillotines to murder its critics, and has stashed 500,000 caskets in Georgia and Montana for the remains.

Why guillotines? “Because,” he wrote in a report obtained by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, “beheading is the most efficient means of harvesting body parts.”

In a second warning, the Web site says that the government is considering Nazi-like concentration camps for dissidents.

Jerome Corsi, the author of “The Obama Nation,” an anti-Obama book, says that a proposal in Congress “appears designed to create the type of detention center that those concerned about use of the military in domestic affairs fear could be used as concentration camps for political dissidents, such as occurred in Nazi Germany.”

Another Web site,, says the proposal “would create a Guantanamo-style setting after martial law is declared.”

There’s no evidence of such a plan.

In truth, Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., has proposed a bill that would order the Homeland Security Department to prepare national emergency centers — to provide temporary housing and medical facilities in national emergencies such as hurricanes. The bill also would allow the centers to be used to train first responders, and for “other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.”

In another ominous warning, a group called the Oathkeepers boasts that it wouldn’t cooperate if the government orders dissidents locked up.

“We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext,” the group says in its list of top principles.

Oathkeepers is built around the idea that its members — active and retired military, police and firefighters — all have taken an oath to defend the Constitution, not the federal government.

Whether inspired by the group or not, the message of loyalty to the Constitution has been heard in many of the angry protests in town hall meetings this summer against a proposed health care overhaul — often side by side with the suggestion that the health care proposal is unconstitutional.


just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 7 months ago

Hey, Nancy Boy, they're dissing some of your favorite reading material.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 7 months ago

Come on, Tom, these are you peeps-- aren't you going to defend them against the evil liberal media?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 7 months ago

And if Tom won't do it, there are plenty of other like-minded wingnuts here-- why so silent?

christy kennedy 8 years, 7 months ago

Hey, that's not all. I have it on good authority that Obama intends to: 1) impose a dress code (plaid pants with suspenders for guys, sweater dresses for women), 2) force every child under the age of 14 to take either viola or banjo lessons, and 3) make mandatory the daily consumption of two lbs. of sweet potatoes. No butter.

jonas_opines 8 years, 7 months ago

"Why guillotines? “Because,” he wrote in a report obtained by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, “beheading is the most efficient means of harvesting body parts.”"

Well, while this is undoubtedly true and undebateable, it also creates an obvious paradox, in that the government is incapable of using the most efficient means to do anything.

If guillotines are going to be used, we'll definitely have to rely on the free market.

Flap Doodle 8 years, 7 months ago

Yup, paranoia about the government didn't exist before 20 Jan 2009. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure......

jaywalker 8 years, 7 months ago

I'd opine on this subject if everyone weren't out to get me.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 8 years, 7 months ago

Well, there's warranted concern and there's paranoia... then there's wacko paranoia... and then there's full-tilt, honkin', beyond-the-pale wackanoia.

... and then there's this bunch.

pace 8 years, 7 months ago

I am paranoid, I think the Gop want back into power so they can give the rest of my money to Blackwater. I even think they will lie and fabricate to do it. They are against medicare.

Mike Blur 8 years, 7 months ago

As an elitist liberal, I was disheartened at the number of people applying for the Obama death panels. It's going to be tough to land a spot.

However, the guillotine squads sound like an appealing opportunity! Where do I sign up?

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