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ROTC enrollment continues to increase at KU

August 19, 2009


Jason Cha, 19, a freshman from Shawnee, joins other Kansas University ROTC students spending Thursday afternoon at the Lawrence Municipal Airport. The expedition taught them about the Blackhawk helicopter, with a unit from Topeka helping to take students on a short ride. A friend shot a picture of Cha and a Blackhawk taking off.

Jason Cha, 19, a freshman from Shawnee, joins other Kansas University ROTC students spending Thursday afternoon at the Lawrence Municipal Airport. The expedition taught them about the Blackhawk helicopter, with a unit from Topeka helping to take students on a short ride. A friend shot a picture of Cha and a Blackhawk taking off.

Neither military nor humanitarian crises that demand U.S. military presence overseas have affected ROTC program numbers of Kansas University’s campus.

In fact, recruitment numbers for the KU programs have grown, said William McGreer, senior military science instructor at KU.

“I really don’t think there’s any correlation to what’s going on overseas to what’s going on here,” said McGreer, who is affiliated with KU’s Army ROTC program. “I think kids are realizing they want to get involved in a military program and have their education paid for.”


While it seems that a fluctuation in the amount of troops overseas would immediately impact KU’s ROTC recruitment, this fall numbers in the university’s Army ROTC program are on the rise.

“The enrollment numbers have increased over the last three years from around 62 in May of ’06,” said Ted Culbertson, KU’s Army ROTC scholarship and administrations officer. “This year, we’re projecting fall of ’09 enrollment of 124.”

He says that increase is anything but common.

“I don’t think it’s typical at all,” Culbertson said. “What we’re trying to do is diversify … one-third on scholarship, one-third in (National) Guard or Reserve, and one-third are your average student who wants to try the program out.”

Leaders in KU’s military science department also believe with the economy down, this could be an ideal time to join the ROTC program, secure a long-term career and save money on education all at once.

“I think it’s offering more for them,” McGreer said. “The draw here is to have school paid for, and most kids are given some type of scholarship that allows them to go to school.”

While the Army prides itself on helping young men and women grow individually, it also provides students with education in the field of their choice. Those within the program also believe that their military experience will not only improve, but change lives.

“It’s kind of interesting because you think about camaraderie and a band of brothers or sisters that you can rely on, and ROTC has really become that,” McGreer said.

Air Force

The Army ROTC isn’t the only program experiencing growth. Although KU’s Air Force ROTC numbers have remained steady over the past several years, with just over 60 students expected for the fall semester, more students are completing the program than in years past.

“First and foremost, this program is about developing leaders,” said Lt. Col. Gena Stuchbery, an adjuct professor for Air Force ROTC. “If a young person wants to grow as an individual and develop their leadership skills, the military and the Air Force does that better than anyone else.”

As with the other branches of the military, Stuchbery says a student’s reason for joining their program is as unique as the cadet themselves.

“Many join us because of patriotism, and there are still folks who want to support the flag and defend our country,” she said. “Others are out for a sense of service and want to serve others, and still there are some to whom this is a family tradition, and they want to carry on that family heritage.”

For those looking to get away from the tough economic climate and get a college degree when finances are low, the Air Force has many scholarship opportunities available. Still, program leaders believe if that’s your only motivation, other cadets will leave you behind.

“We are looking for a very competitive gene pool. If you’re average and you’re looking to get a scholarship, you probably won’t be competitive with your peers,” Stuchbery said. “If you want to learn what it takes to lead others and be successful and motivate and accomplish goals, this is the program for you.”

The Air Force ROTC also has many opportunities for students away from the classroom that can tap into the individual’s adventurous side.

Whether it’s free-falling from an airplane at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colo., or traveling to Turkey as part of their cultural immersion program, leaders believe the possibilities are endless for their cadets.

“There are a lot of cool things to do beyond your summer job,” Stuchbery said.


Battalion numbers also are on the rise in the Navy and Marine Corps.

“As we were drawing down, they were seeing a reduction in the amount of officers needed in the Navy,” said Capt. Thomas Arnold, professor of Naval science in the KU naval ROTC program. “Now that we are leveling off and we need to sustain numbers, we are increasing the numbers coming into the program to sustain us and keep us at our current level.”

KU’s naval ROTC is expecting to reach nearly 90 students by the start of fall classes. Twenty-five to 30 incoming freshmen are signed up, and that’s nearly 20 more than were signed up three years ago. Leaders say the growth is due to hard work within the program and a large presence on campus.

“It’s been very exciting for us,” Arnold said. “I think it’s a very exciting time. I think the military is a great way for a student who is inclined towards this type of service to get valuable leadership experience.”

Naval science instructors say the educational programs offered in their department are just as challenging as the physical expectations of future naval officers. Between their junior and senior years, students are sent to Quantico, Va., for Marine Corps officer candidate school.

“It’s a four-week program, kind of like a boot camp, but (with) higher expectations because they are going to be officers and it’s very rigorous,” Arnold said. “It’s very demanding both physically and mentally. They have to demonstrate their leadership abilities, and if they do not successfully complete that and graduate, then we cannot commission them as a Marine Corps officer.”

Arnold says the growth in the program is very rewarding for leaders of the program. They also say the Navy ROTC at KU is a great way to prepare men and women for leadership in future careers.

“The more of a presence we have on campus the better,” he said, “so other students can appreciate what their fellow students have chosen to do in serving their country.”

— Staff writer Mark Boyle can be reached at 832-6327


Marion Lynn 4 years, 7 months ago

No one want warriors until they are needed.



Roland Gunslinger 4 years, 7 months ago

Located at Soto Cano Air Base, Honduras, Joint Task Force-Bravo is one of three task forces under United States Southern Command. JTF-Bravo's primary mission is to organize multilateral exercises and supports, in cooperation with our partner nations, humanitarian and civic assistance, counterdrug, contingency and disaster relief operations in Central America.


Roland Gunslinger 4 years, 7 months ago


Thanks for the links.

To talk about nuclear weapons as “less deadly” is bizarre. You certainly can't be serious, can you?

- Yes I am. What do you consider to be more deadly? A nuclear weapon that can wipe out a city of 7 million or a nuclear weapon that is confined to a couple square yards with no fall out? Sure they both kill- but one kills on the millions and the other kills in the double digit range (depending on how many people are in those few square yards).

In regards to Bruce E. Ivins, the scientist. You stated: "A military scientist at one of these facilities, Fort Detrick, was accused of sending weaponized anthrax through the mail to two U.S. senators - killing four and injuring 22 American citizens. He had been awarded the military's highest civilian award - after the attack!!!" Let's put some context to your statement. First off he was a civilian working in a biodefense lab, he was not in the military. Secondly he was awarded the Excellent Civilian Service award in 2003; he was not a suspect until 2006. I guess his supervisor is suppose to be able to see into the future and know that he was going to be fingered by the FBI? As far as his suicide goes... maybe the CIA did force him to overdose on Tylenol PM, who knows. His family stated he suffered from severe depression and had been taking meds for this. Could the pressure of the investigation coupled with the depression also have lead him to take his own life?

I'm in agreeance with you that it probably was Iving behind the attacks. The FBI were wrong with their first suspect, Hatley, and they could of also been wrong about Iving. Evidence seems to indicate it was him, plus his history of psychosis and depression, so I'm more apt to trust the FBI experts on this. I don't believe for a second Iraq had anything to do with this.

I stated I never saw any 10 year olds in Bagram. That is true. There may of been minors in the detention facility but I never saw any. But what does that say about the Taliban and Al Qaeda who were using these children on the battlefield? An optimistic view would be that it was a good thing they were picked up and detained rather than being left on the battlefield and dead.

If children were subjected to torture, or even adult detainees for that matter, then there should be investigations and punishments. For the punishers and for their bosses (You can't tell me Lynndie England's superiors didn't condone what was going on at Abu Ghraib). Will it happen? Most likely not... but then again the detention center, while on a military installation, was basically ran by the CIA. The CIA is not the military and the military is what this thread is about.


logrithmic 4 years, 7 months ago

Is it the job of the U.S. military to provide humanitarian relief to Hondurans while 18,000 people in the U.S. die due to inadequate health insurance? Just why does the U.S. have a military base in Honduras? I'd be curious as to your answer.

God so bless!


Norma Jeane Baker 4 years, 8 months ago

I've met some wonderful men and women stationed at SCAB in Honduras. Glad to have them there. They do a lot of humanitarian aid in the region. A LOT!!


logrithmic 4 years, 8 months ago


Never called you a rightwinger and I know nothing about your politics. To talk about nuclear weapons as "less deadly" is bizarre. You certainly can't be serious, can you?

Story of child prisoner (12 years old) tortured by U.S. special forces at Bagram and at Gitmo:

From link: "The ACLU is asking a federal judge to throw out those statements and others made by Mohammed Jawad, an Afghan who may have been as young as 12 when he was captured. His attorney argued that Jawad was abused in U.S. custody, threatened and subjected to intense sleep deprivation."

and this one:

From link: "Even children have not been spared.... Amnesty International is calling on the US government to many of the detainees currently in Bagram were taken into custody when they were under 18 years old. A year ago, there were at least 10 children being held in the base."

and this one:

From link: "In response to the organization's concerns about child detainees, the Pentagon stated that since 2002, U.S. forces had detained "approximately 100 juveniles in Afghanistan," of whom "fewer than five" were still held."

and this one:

From link: "Former President Jimmy Carter wrote in 'Our Endangered Values'(Simon & Schuster) that the Red Cross found after visiting six U.S. prisons '107 detainees under eighteen, some as young as eight years old.' ... President Carter wrote that the Red Cross, Amnesty International and the Pentagon 'have gathered substantial testimony of torture of children, confirmed by soldiers who witnessed or participated in the abuse.'

Which, of course, makes me wonder why you would even know how many children were imprisoned at Bagram or there ages.

Oh, and your military scientist conveniently committed suicide before he was put on trial for the anthrax terrorist attacks.

Let me ask you, Mr. Expert, how many facilities in the world have the ability to weaponize anthrax like that that was used in the attacks here in America? Why is it that four sources in the military told Senator McCain that the anthrax used to attack the United States came from Iraq when the FBI later discovered that it came from a U.S. military base? You are arguing with the FBI over your scientist's guilt. As far as the FBI is concerned, it's a relatively closed case:

Only a complete joker, would try a dead man. But wasn't that the point? To avoid a trial, off the guy? The CIA and other black ops in this country are well versed in this kind of assassination.

God so bless!


sfjayhawk 4 years, 8 months ago

Nancy - so explain how the Invasion of Iraq has protected our 'freedoms'. Was Iraq somehow suppressing our freedoms? Please elaborate..


Practicality 4 years, 8 months ago

Wow! Nice refute Jesse. As far as your last statement,

"As far as you're other points go- please site some credible sources rather than some conspiracy theories and we can discuss them. "

Good Luck. Loggie doesn't believe in credible sources, so you are just going to have to "take his word for it" LOL.

It is interesting to note that Loggie appears far out there for the Left as well.


Roland Gunslinger 4 years, 8 months ago

First time on here I've been called right winged. I guess my stance that healthcare reform is needed, that gay marriage should be legal, that don't ask don't tell should be repealed, that gays be allowed to serve openly, and that marijuana should be legalized but taxed heavily makes me a far right winger. LOL

Funny thing- I've been to Bagram, didn't see any 10 year old prisoners.

Flyovers are a recruitment tool- most of these aircraft are up that day on training flights. You do realize that pilots have to maintain proficiency and log X number of hours per month in order to keep their license, no? So whether they're flying over a stadium or flying over some farmer's field in nowhere Missouri the cost is the same.

Can I justify all $515B of the DOD budget? Of course not, I too think there is some waste that can be cut from the DOD budget. But when a Democratic congress pushes for 6 additional planes that the Air Force says they don't want you can't blame that on the DOD.

We turn a blind eye to rape? Really? Tell that to these people:,_murders

You stated a military scientist was accused of sending Anthrax though the mail and then later received a high award. Was he ever charged? Was he found guilty of doing this? Surely you do know there is a difference between being accused of something and having actually done it.

The first and second generation of nuclear weapons were the atomic and hydrogen bombs developed during the 40's and 50's. The third generation was developed in the 60's (neutron bomb which never really took hold militarily). We're working on a fourth generation... try to catch up. In a nutshell, the defining technical characteristic of fourth-generation nuclear weapons is the triggering - by some advanced technology such as a superlaser, magnetic compression, antimatter, etc. - of a relatively small thermonuclear explosion in which a deuterium-tritium mixture is burnt in a device whose weight and size are not much larger than a few kilograms and litres. Since these new weapons will use no (or very little) fissionable materials, they will produce virtually no radioactive fallout, their yield being measured in the tons rather than megatons or kilotons. We're talking building size explosions rather than city size explosions. Nice try in suggesting that the nuclear weapon will be deadlier when in fact it will be less deadly. To bad it's a fail.

As far as you're other points go- please site some credible sources rather than some conspiracy theories and we can discuss them.


blue73harley 4 years, 8 months ago

Practicallity - nice post.

It's obvious that both log and bozo are far removed from the Greatest Generation.


Practicality 4 years, 8 months ago

Another thing the military does with its trillion dollar budget

*Insuring that Logrithmic has the freedom to post idiotic ramblings full of lies and nonsense from all enemies, both foreign and domestic, while he sits in the safety of the heart of America, in his mother's basement, badmouthing the very organization that provides this safety and disrespecting the members that serve it faithfully and honorably.


MeAndFannieLou 4 years, 8 months ago


The Vietnam war inspired Charlie Wilson to win the Afghan war against the USSR! Never mind that once the war was over we didn't care about Afghanistan enough to help them recover, leading to the rise of the Taliban, who welcomed Al Qaeda, etc., etc., so that Afghanistan is our new Vietnam! Just.Don't.Say.Anything.About.That.


logrithmic 4 years, 8 months ago

Other things the military does with its trillion dollar budget:

*Used chemcial weapons (in Vietnam it was Agent Orange and in Iraq it has been white phosphorous) and then lied about using them, and only later, admitting that they had lied.

*Used retired generals to sell the need for the Iraq war in the corporate media, a violation of U.S. law.

One should recall that over 1.7 million Vietnamese were killed in the Vietnam War and that the U.S. military dropped Agent Orange chemicals on the population and jungles of Vietnam yet were never required to pay for this damage.

And what noble cause was servied by Vietnam? What was finally accomplished?

God so bless!


logrithmic 4 years, 8 months ago

No one should pay attention to the rightwing liars that post to this forum.

Notice how they ignore my basic argument - the military empire is unsustainable and is robbing America of its future and the welfare of its people.

What is the military doing with their trillion a year?

*Advertisements in every theater touting their Apple Pie missions and high technology (while killing civilians and torture are not discussed)

*Flyovers and other PR stunts at huge cost over athletic events.

*Spying on U.S. citizens and keeping lists and files on U.S.citizens in violation of U.S. law.

*Torturing prisoners in violation of U.S. and international law.

*Denying prisoners the right of habeus corpus and detaining them for years on ends with no proof of guilt.

*Imprisioning children as young as 10 (see Bagram Air Base and Gitmo)

*Dumping toxic waste into the ocean, spoiling the land (see Sunflower Ammo Plant) and running military exercises in the Pacific that use sonars that turn whale brains into mush - needlessly kiling these majestic marine mammals.

*Lying under oath to the 9-11 commission about the military response on that day.

*Setting up an empire of bases (over 1,000) to encircle the world and support dicators and Big Oil.

*Aiding and abetting in coups against democratically elected governments (re: Honduras).

*Creating a second generation of nuclear weapons - as if one can get more deadly than the first generation.

*Sponsoring a growing network of bioweapons plants throughout the U.S. university system, A military scientist at one of these facilities, Fort Detrick, was accused of sending weaponized anthrax through the mail to two U.S. senators - killing four and injuring 22 American citizens. He had been awarded the military's highest civilian award - after the attack!!!

*Looking the other way as rape is perpetrated by American military males on American military females and civilian females of host countries. Some of these rapes are on children as young as 12.

*Insisting on "full spectrum dominance," which is to say, the ability to project military force anywhere in the world - when such ability is economically unfeasible and politically absurd.

A trillion dollars a year for the military - and meanwhile the rightwing, that argues so strongly for budgetary restraint when it comes to helping Americans with healthcare and digging out of a financial disaster not of their making, argues strongly that such frivilous use of tax dollars continue.

These are the lies of the rightwing and the rightwing posters above. Believe what you will. But use your common sense and research any of the points I've made above. You will see who the real liars are.

God bless Jesus!


75x55 4 years, 8 months ago

"With education costs going up and job prospects going down, it's no wonder that more people are taking scholarships from the cannon fodder industry."

Always fun to see what repetitive drivel the local communist(s) will come up with. Makes me always curious to know what they would have done, had they been the president, on 9/12/2001.

Expecting the usual response.....


Ralph Reed 4 years, 8 months ago

Tom, the loathing for the military also exists in the far right. Extremists and radicals on either side do not support the military in any form. There's enough blame to go around for everyone, so don't dump it all on your "far-left". Fred Phelps is an example, I'm sure you could name more.

On another note. I know a lot of officers who earned their commissions out of ROTC and/or were PMS and any number of universities. Excellent people.


Practicality 4 years, 8 months ago

No comment on your proven lies again Loggie?


barrypenders 4 years, 8 months ago

Obama's Afghan war needs the right-wing element to curtail the poppy production. Maybe so many of his troops will quit dying. I 'hope' that his hummers have bullet proof protection.


Practicality 4 years, 8 months ago

logrithmic (Anonymous) says…

"The military in the next week or so will sign an agreement to create five new army bases and two new navy bases in Columbia. Why Columbia? To help the Columbian govt fight a guerilla civil war and to wage the “War on Drugs.”

Even though I wish we were building bases in Columbia, as everyone can plainly see, based on the statement below, that Loggie is just being an outright liar again. He does this to support his Pro-Drug agenda that he constantly argues for. Notice how he didn't leave a source for his nonsense? Here is what President Obama had to say about this.

Obama said this was a myth.

"We have had a security agreement with Colombia for many years now. We have updated that agreement. We have no intent in establishing a U.S. military base in Colombia," Obama said.

"This is continuation of assistance that we had been providing them. We have no intention of sending large numbers of additional troops into Colombia, and we have every interest in seeing Colombia and its neighbors operate peacefully."

The new security arrangement would allow the Pentagon to lease access to seven Colombian military bases for U.S. support in fighting drug traffickers and guerrillas involved in the cocaine trade.

The agreement would also increase the number of American troops in Colombia above the current total of less than 300 but not more than 800, the maximum permitted under the existing pact.

Pretty pathetic attempt again Loggie.


Roland Gunslinger 4 years, 8 months ago

Yes, opening up new areas to stay because we are closing our base in Ecuador where these missions are staged from. We already have a footprint in South America. We have four military bases in Manta, Ecuador; Aruba; Curacao; Sato Cano, Honduras; Peru; Panama and Comalapa, El Salvador. But don't let facts distort your vision that we're just now moving into South America.

The plan is expected to increase the number of U.S. troops in Colombia above the current total of less than 300 but not above 800, the maximum permitted under an existing military pact.

Less than 800- sounds like a great number to try and invade Columbia's neighbors! LOL


Tom Shewmon 4 years, 8 months ago

The loathing from the far-left for the military and the disconnect in their brains re; their freedoms and the role the military has played in their freedoms is mystifying.


logrithmic 4 years, 8 months ago

Rightwingers complain about the cost of healthcare - $1 trillion over 10 years to directly help American citizens.

But they have no problem with spending a trillion every year to support a military machine whose mission it is to bomb poor brown people living in mud huts.

A trillion every year - this is why they lie when they say they are fiscal conservatives. There is nothing fiscally conservative about this kind of deficit spending - which is coming at the expense of your healthcare, retirement, and well-being. After all, America, it is you who are paying the taxes.

The rightwing are simply liars and hypocrites.

The military in the next week or so will sign an agreement to create five new army bases and two new navy bases in Columbia. Why Columbia? To help the Columbian govt fight a guerilla civil war and to wage the "War on Drugs." This is what the military is saying. It's a lie folks. We've had military "advisers" in Columbia for three decades. Are thrust now is to establish a military footprint on the continent of South America that can be used to launch wars against Columbia's neighbors. Why Obomba is permitting this is beyond me. America doesn't need another war.

The Pentagon is dishonest and employs 25,000 people and spends billions every year to tell us that they are heros fighting to keep America safe. This is a lie.

And has Bozo said, the reason these military programs are growing in our nation's schools is cuz there is no employment left except that that involves killing other people.

God bless you and Jesus!


Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

I just knew that bozo would be the first to post on this thread.


barrypenders 4 years, 8 months ago

Obama needs the military to complete the hat trick.


Practicality 4 years, 8 months ago

The ROTC program at KU is excellent. It does not surprise me at all that the numbers are on the rise. The ROTC program turns out exceptional young men and women to be leaders in the military. By far one of the most disciplined group of young people up on campus. It has always bothered me that many feel unwanted and misunderstood up on the campus.

Unfortunately, some of the comments made by professors and students up on the hill concerning the War in Iraq and our military get targeted at the ROTC members. Trying to make them feel like they are bad people and dupes for joining the ROTC program. Just like the comment from Bozo above.


just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

With education costs going up and job prospects going down, it's no wonder that more people are taking scholarships from the cannon fodder industry.


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