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New idea for LHS press box floated

The school board gave Lawrence schools the go ahead to build press boxes at the new LHS football stadium.

August 18, 2009


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The Lawrence school board gave the district administration the go-ahead to explore what it will take to build press boxes at both Lawrence High School and Free State High School at their special business meeting Monday night.

The first press box plan listed the estimated cost for LHS at $370,000, which included $40,000 for a crane to lift a pre-fabricated building onto stilts. The latest idea would include four brick walls, which would look similar to the bleachers, and would be built on-site. It would also include storage beneath the press box and an elevator to be compliant with the Americans with Disabilities Act. This latest plan would cost closer to $270,000.

“This is just getting drawn up today so we don’t have bids,” said Frank Harwood, the district’s chief operations officer. “We’re going to at least approach the (current) contractors who are doing the contracts as an option with a change order.”

By completing a change order instead of the usual bid process, the work could potentially be done faster. But getting outside bids isn’t out of the question.

“We’ll sacrifice the time it takes to get a better price,” Harwood said.

Goal setting

The board met for three hours Monday afternoon to conduct a goal-setting session. Superintendent Rick Doll had each board member compile ideas they would like to discuss, ranging from staff development and facilities to school configuration and technology.

“We would have the four to seven big ideas and then you would turn us loose to go back with staff and put all of the benchmarks in defining that,” Doll said.

The board will get information on some of the topics they discussed at future meetings.

The board will not meet Aug. 24. Its next meeting will be Sept. 14.


Richard Heckler 7 years ago

The $20 million project is not about USD 497 athletic programs and never has been. This has always been about PLAY a rather superficial idea to help sell Lawrence,Kansas real estate. An idea which appears to have come through the Lawrence Chamber of Commerce. In spite of the fact that Lawrence has been losing population.

Our powers that be look towards JOCO and Topeka and say "look at what they have" then proceed forward. Well guess what folks JOCO and Topeka have much much larger tax bases.

Lawrence/Douglas county taxpayers are being played for fools.

This is what happens when low voter participation takes place. The real estate/Developers get their people elected to the city commissions and USD 497 plus get their thinkers appointed to the planning commission.

Did anybody stop to think that maybe the powers that be are high taxing the population right out of town? It's called wreckanomics and reckless spending.

It never pays to stay home and NOT vote. It seems the people who campaign the loudest about protecting our tax dollars turnout out to be the reckless spenders. Taxpayers are being nickle dimed to the poor house.

This one more example of why taxpaying voters need to become the final decision makers on all tax increasing projects which BTW is just about every matter that becomes before our elected bodies. Most every new project cost taxpayers money.

It can be done easily. Voters demand that ALL political elections and new projects be put to the voters each November. No more April elections let's do it all in November and save tax dollars. November is when general elections take place.

BigPrune 7 years ago

Put a camera on a pole and feed the picture to a pressbox on the ground. How cheap could that be?

Nikki May 7 years ago

Merrill, I only wish it was PLAY. We need more fields and such for the kids. I coached a youth softball team this year and it's close to impossible to find practice fields. However, with the neighborhood issues, the parks and rec will not be able to even use these fields.

Paul R Getto 7 years ago

Actually, Merrill, what you describe is a good idea. Lawrence now sits between two communities that are making strides to get quality athletic facilities for youth in their towns. If Lawrence doesn't keep up, it will lose out on prestige and outside business when games are played in town, bringing the fans, parents, etc. who will spend money in Lawrence. This is not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things and should be pursued.

kansasmutt 7 years ago

As a past L H S Grad , i would think a nice wooden press box for about $15,000.00 and a chair lift for $3,000.00 would work fine. Who and how does someone come up with close to a half million dollar waste press box ? A change order of that much money should need voter approval. Check the law !!!!!!! You people of Lawrence should fight this with the law not just blogs.Your school board is out of control and you just sit and blog, get busy.

Robert Rauktis 7 years ago

Now remind me, why do they need a press box and why do they have to keep up with the Kansas City Chiefs? These people are delusional. Sports junkies with the public buying their esteem. If they are so inadequate, why not provide Viagra at the games?

seth5792 7 years ago

Odd, isn't that about the same amount they cut out of the budget to eliminate the school busses. I am a huge believer in high school sports, both for the money they raise, and what they do for the kids, but half a million bucks for a press box is ridiculous.

I am switching shifts at work, to be able to accomodate getting my kids to school, because the busses are down. Traffic is a nightmare, it took almost 30 minutes just to get out of the Schwegler parking lot. Plus I saw no less than 5 busses in the last 2 days driving down 23rd street empty. Smart logistical planning!!!!!!!

Believe me sports generate a ton of money for schools, money which each school needs. But no high school needs a half million dollar press box for 3 people to report a game.

Meanwhile families all across Lawrence, are without school transportation.

monkeyhawk 7 years ago

Would the board members please consider putting gold plated fixtures in the private press box powder room? I think that would make a positive impact. I'm sure you can squeeze a few more dollars out of the citizens of Lawrence to fund any and all grandiose visions.

cowboy 7 years ago

Pressbox ? , aw crap , who was in charge of the pressbox , probably Weseman , yeah , he was in charge , he's gone , lets blame the crap out of him. For 270,000 I can build you a bella serra condo out there boys !

mom_of_three 7 years ago

Press box also needs to include television for the occassional recorded game. i admit the press box seems a little costly, but if you are going to build one, make it fit in with the stadium, which will be used for a number of years.
If it is cheap looking, then the neighbors will just have more to complain about.

Clickker 7 years ago

"As a past L H S Grad , i would think a nice wooden press box for about $15,000.00 and a chair lift for $3,000.00 would work fine"

Are you kidding me? Good grief...why dont we just put the kids in trailers instead of a nice school building? Ya gotta have some class around here.

I'm sure all the Hills , Sprint and Payless executives would love to look at some junky shack on the LHS property when they are touring the community, and deciding if they are going to live in Lawrence, Topeka, or Olathe.

esteshawk 7 years ago

Look folks - it's time to get LHS a stadium of it's own. Haskell is falling apart, and this is needed. The cost sounds about right - these things cost a lot in order to make sure it looks good, is solid and will last, serves it's function, and meets all codes. Press boxes are full of people: newspaper (home, visitor, and school), TV, radio, coaching staff, and team video. You're looking at about 20 people minimum.

And the idea that everything should be subject to public vote is completely un-American. We elect representatives, and their job is to represent. If we don't like they way they work, you don't vote for them. Popular vote is not a good idea - your own argument about low voter turnout explains why.

If all you have is a hammer (cynicism), everything begins to look like a nail (corruption and incompetence).

Janet Lowther 7 years ago

A waste of money on top of a waste of money!

Is it any wonder it is hard to get support for taxes for important programs, when it is being squandered on stuff like this?

seth5792 7 years ago

Pilgrim, that was my whole point.........the busses in question drove empty from 23rd and Kasold and continued north past Louisiana presumedly to there compound up by Harper. All the while passing no more than a few bus stops, and at least easy access to one elementary school.......Again great logistical planning

svenway_park 7 years ago

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svenway_park 7 years ago

The house has a lot of dried oregano in it.

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

Looking for practice fields?? Woody Park. Brookcreek Neighborhood has some fields off Cadet I believe. The city has many parks. Put up a back stop and bingo practice fields right before your very eyes.

Lawrence,Kansas the most expensive place to live in Kansas, KCMO Metro/JOCO and Topeka yet Lawrence has a tiny tax base compared to JOCO or Topeka? Why keep up with the Joneses on such a limited income?

So long as households have plenty of money to burn what difference does it make. Just remember all of those empty homes and retail units that property owners are not paying taxes on.......

svenway_park 7 years ago

Maybe driedoregano should go door to door once again to beg people to fund a new lawsuit.

Oh, no.... you mean the neighbors have learned he is unreliable as an architect, as an individual, and that they no longer want to fund or rely upon his "arky-tek" opinions?

honestone 7 years ago

Hooooray! This will be so cool. I am certian that the football players will be very excited!. Maybe we can slip in a diamond vision scoreboard so we can see the replays of the last down. I am so glad the school board gave this to us. Screw the other kids. The football players are what makes or breaks a school.

svenway_park 7 years ago

Did you know a particular person passing the original protest petition was not even a member of the neighborhood association and was materially misrepresenting the facts?

1moreopinion 7 years ago

It appears they have already given the potential contractor an idea of what they are willing to pay. They should get bids before opening there mouth.

mom_of_three 7 years ago

Well, I can tell you that they would use the press box during track meets at LHS, and maybe the band would even use it during practice (view of the entire stadium for the band director. Heck, maybe a band competition or something could happen.
BTW, the new softball field looks great.

svenway_park 7 years ago

ironhorse: Did you know that if you declare bankruptcy a couple of times you won't have credit to buy a house and you may need to get a loan from your mother?

svenway_park 7 years ago

ironhorse: understood. But I am talking about a situation much more proximate to the athletic fields.

No credit? No home loan. And if you are not a homeowner there, you can not be a member of the CNA neighborhood association.

These two individuals obviously have several things in common.

Boston_Corbett 7 years ago

Thanks for the spamtracker link on Nick Danger, Ironhorse.

Another link documenting Marion's tactics, methods, and mores.

I mean, we already know about his perverted revisionist views on the Holocaust. Out of his own mouth on this forum, no less.

Clickker 7 years ago

Of course, if Fender and his buddy would just write a check for this, the whole thing would go away!!

svenway_park 7 years ago

ironhorse: that would explain a lot. They never left the playground.

Both obviously skipped that class on personal finance.

I thought the Marion was a good decade or so older than the non-arkytek arkytek. But maybe he got held back in elementary school.

I wonder if there was a lot of lead paint chips on that playground.

KU_Dude 7 years ago

jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says…


I've warned you privately, now I'll warn you publicly. You do not have bearded_gnome's name correct. If you don't immediately cease to attempt to out an anonymous user, your account will be banned. In addition, I will immediately ban any account I suspect to be created by you without notice, warning or further cause. This is your final warning.

Jonathan Kealing Online editor

How has driedoregano lasted this long Jonathan?

Flap Doodle 7 years ago

Looks like the grey goose was flying around the junkyard early today.

bearded_gnome 7 years ago

KU_Dude (Anonymous) says…

jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says…


I've warned you privately, now I'll warn you publicly. You do not have bearded_gnome's name correct. If you don't immediately cease to attempt to out an anonymous user, your account will be banned. In addition, I will immediately ban any account I suspect to be created by you without notice, warning or further cause. This is your final warning.

Jonathan Kealing Online editor


How has driedoregano lasted this long Jonathan?

---well, the other night I bet 'driedoregano' would make it to saturday night.

the countdown continues. it is quite obvious that 'driedoregano' is Bronze/cool/spiderman/ocean/rusty2/ariadne/coltrain/jaguar/et al. he's been TOSsed off at least 8 times before!

Katara 7 years ago

Marion (Marion Lynn) says… Well, snap, it looks more to me like the Bird of Paradise is about to fly up the nose of the school board! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LOL! Just like your forum was going to rise from the ashes like the Phoenix, eh, Marion?

Fact: Marion Lynn is not a resident of Lawrence, KS.

Fact: Marion Lynn does not have any children that attend USD497.

Fact: Marion Lynn is interfering in the business of a school district that he has absolutely no ties to whatsoever.

Question: What is in it for Marion Lynn?

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svenway_park 7 years ago

Marion telling us again about the law.......

OK Marion, you and your driedoregano "arky-tek" friend go down and use your joint legal-beagle minds to argue 'material breach'

Let's re-open that lawsuit today! it won't be whoop-ass. It will be fun. Especially since it is baseless.

Get "arky-teks" mom ready too. Because she is a plaintiff, he is not. I am sure she will wanted for some depositions. Oh, and "arky-tek" son will have a few hours of those too.

Oh, and you two will have to find the money to finance this Quixote quest. Better get out in the CNA neighborhood and lie to the neighbors yet again.

svenway_park 7 years ago

driedoregano: Q: What do Fannie Mae or Raines have to do with your non-ownership of your home. A: nothing

Tom McCune 7 years ago

A floating pressbox? Is that what they are going to do now? Maybe that would work! Have everybody board the pressbox on the ground and then have it just sort of float up into the air by levitation or suspended from hot air balloons. They have plenty of hot air, alright.

Flap Doodle 7 years ago

Worth repeating: "• jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says… bronze- I've warned you privately, now I'll warn you publicly. You do not have bearded_gnome's name correct. If you don't immediately cease to attempt to out an anonymous user, your account will be banned. In addition, I will immediately ban any account I suspect to be created by you without notice, warning or further cause. This is your final warning. Jonathan Kealing Online editor"

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svenway_park 7 years ago

Marion writes:. . . .they'd better hope something floats in this deal!

I know something that floats, but I don't think Arky-Teck wants Marion's boo-boos floating on top of his Kentucky bluegrass.

Yea Marion, lots of people to deposition. Go tell Arky-Teck to re-open the case. Lies and hot air is all the two of you have.

svenway_park 7 years ago

Goodness. It looks like the driedoregano Arky-teck and his wyco bff Marion are having some posts removed.

Such thin skin.

svenway_park 7 years ago

I wonder how that "wildlife preserve" is going that driedoregano promised to install in his backyard.

And I wonder how many new non native species he has inventively seen?

I wonder if this gets him off the property tax list? You know, the taxes the rest of us pay to support the schools and the community?

Katara 7 years ago

Oh great, Marion's passing around legal advice again.

How'd that bid for getting the case against the dog thrown out for unconstitutionality work out for you?

How'd that bid for getting the smoking ban in Lawrence removed for unconstitutionality work out for you?

And now, here's Marion spouting off about legalities of a school district in a town in which he is not a resident of, has no children (or grandchildren) attending and pretty much has no vested interest in any outcome from any decision said school district would make.

Why don't you focus on improving the area in which you live instead of meddling in the affairs of a town in which you have nothing in?

Katara 7 years ago

Marion (Marion Lynn) says… The folks in Centennial might have to take out second mortgages just to pay the postal bill! ~~~~~~~~~~~~ While you and your buddy, driedoregano, contribute nothing.

Flap Doodle 7 years ago

Dang, the geek's going through a lot of chickens today.

bearded_gnome 7 years ago

because that elected body either concealed information or failed to exercise due diligence?

---again, who relies on Marioni for 'due diligence?'

note, ranting across many threads, dozens of individual posts, Marioni said there would be no night games!
now, in his posts here he says that there will be night games.

yes, Marioni is wrong. yes, Marioni is full of hot air.

and laughable, he implies that there's some backroom chatter regarding himself and DO/the former bronze. no such backroom chatter happens, just more of his delusions of grandeur.

'Driedoregano'/former bronze/cool/et al, what the heck does that post have to do with anything? Raines profited bigtime, dozens of millions of dollars off of Fannie Mae in the subprime crisis. he was/is a major supporter/advisor/friend of Barack Obama.

are you bringing that up here to try to distract from your own failures?

you know, you have failed. we all know who you are. you will get TOSsed off. your lawsuit has been shown to be dras.

why should the neighbors have any more say on this project than I do? or Svenway, or the little old lady that lives out west off of Wakarusa?

what you did succeed at was extortion Bronzie. you cost the USD497 way over $10,000 in the actual lawsuit costs. you forced many tens of thousands of dollars of frivolous extra costs on the lhs field project.
you objected that there wasn't enough parking, then you objected to moving the tennis center to make more parking!

we haven't discussed the lights here yet. you objected to the tennis center in its new location actually having lights.

you wanted there to be no lights at the new tennis center. why? because of where your mother's property backs up to the school's.
you would deny tennis players the opportunity to play at night.

cath0830 7 years ago

If they're going to build this freaking stone monstrosity, they'd better do it right. I haven't seen a single dirt compactor out there for those mounds that the brick is sitting on. Guess what? dirt settles. Meaning an even faster deterioration of the foundation the brick sits on, meaning the brick structure will fail faster.

For anyone who doesn't know, brick repairs are way more expensive than standard metal bleachers. But I doubt anyone looked at the cost of upkeep for these places. They didn't do an entire cost analysis based on their plans. Just a surface cost analysis.

I lived on the east coast for years, never saw anything like this, and not for nothing, there's a lot more competition in the North east for people than there is here, especially when you're talking about an area between Boston and NYC . I also have lived in the home of the Championship football team for the whole state of GA (for multiple years in a row). Guess what? they didn't have a press box, or brick seating.

So glad I'm leaving here next year.

bearded_gnome 7 years ago

LJWorld admin, Jonathan et al, tonight I received my first harrassing PM from the former Bronze now calling himself 'driedoregano.'

why is he still on here?

svenway_park 7 years ago

This is so funny. Marion channeling for someone who has booted from these boards 7,8,9 times? This is the LJW poster boy for forums?

This reminds me of all the "behinds the scenes" discussions when the suit was originally settled, which the area Arky-Teck ardently repeatedly fought, while never acknowledging the same here, then claiming a victory of some type on the settlement. Ha.

Now he complains about parking, and argues for an interpretation which would diminish the parking relief the neighborhood receives, and then he complains about increased cost?

Marion interjects all sorts of intrigue? Because this Wyco boy knows about CNA?

By all means, lets get this lawsuit opened back up. Quickly. I'm all for it. Who is your attorney, oregano boy? What are you going to pay him with? Didn't think so.

Or even better yet, oregano-ArkyTech ought to consider paying those property taxes for his momma on his house

Maybe this ought to be a requirement for him suing the community and such, spending even more tax money.

bearded_gnome 7 years ago

oh and Marioni has such a track record of honest reporting, and truthtelling! my gawd, why don't we lay down and believe him, while casting our worshipful offerings at his sainted feet???

again, Marioni claims expertise where he has none: the law; building trades; arky-tek-ture.

Flap Doodle 7 years ago

Worth repeating: • jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says… bronze- I've warned you privately, now I'll warn you publicly. You do not have bearded_gnome's name correct. If you don't immediately cease to attempt to out an anonymous user, your account will be banned. In addition, I will immediately ban any account I suspect to be created by you without notice, warning or further cause. This is your final warning. Jonathan Kealing Online editor

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