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Kansas health secretary emphasizes savings from prevention in health care proposal

August 18, 2009

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— Opponents of health care reform often talk of the cost to expand insurance coverage, but they don’t talk about the savings from promoting education and prevention, Kansas Department of Health and Environment Secretary Roderick Bremby said Tuesday.

Bremby’s observation came at a meeting of the Kansas Health Policy Authority.

KHPA Acting Executive Director Andy Allison briefed authority members on the estimated $1 trillion cost over 10 years of health care reform under H.R. 3200, a Democratic proposal pending in Congress.

But Bremby said that estimate addresses expansion of health insurance coverage to those who don’t have it. It doesn’t consider savings from disease prevention programs under the bill, he said.

He said that without reform, estimates are that actual health care costs in the United States will increase from $2.2 trillion per year to $4.2 trillion per year by 2018.

“Sounds like we are going to save about a trillion dollars. But that is not part of the national conversation,” Bremby said. Bremby said that so far most of the discussion on health care reform has centered on the so-called “death panels,” which he said was “ludicrous.”

Some Republican opponents of health reform have said the Democratic plan sets up panels that could decide that people with expensive health care problems would not receive treatment. That allegation is false.

Supporters of health reform say it will rein in costs in the long run by focusing on disease management programs to better treat people with chronic illnesses, such as diabetes, heart disease and high blood pressure, and providing the kind of preventive programs to contain those diseases.

Comments

Lee Eldridge 4 years, 8 months ago

Have seen stats both ways about prevention. While prevention would logically lead to decreased costs for those who would have gotten sick but don't, you're also paying for prevention for the people who wouldn't have gotten sick anyway. And have now just wasted the money. Believe me, if the insurance companies thought that prevention would save them money, they would have been insisting on it all along.

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BigDog 4 years, 8 months ago

how is the public option going to help with reducing these? it seems like there is a higher percentage of people who meet that description on public options now.

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edjayhawk 4 years, 8 months ago

The bottom line is that I am going to pay for smokers, alcoholics and fat people through increased premiums from private insurance. At least the public option has some emphasis on prevention.

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Seamus 4 years, 8 months ago

Our sedentary lifestyle is part and parcel due to our extreme car dependency. Thanks to the car we're now living longer distances from work. All of this is going to change in the upcoming decades as driving will become untenable in the face of oil shortages and increased costs. Ten miles isn't so difficult to cycle, although it should be said that I'm in favor of a comprehensive mass transit system as well. There are serious people who used the BO issue as the end-all argument against human power and given the serious problems we face it's a bit immature. Otherwise, sorry if I misapprehended you.

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BigDog 4 years, 8 months ago

No Seamus .... I don't see BO as the main issue .... but you fail to see that there are many people who can't just bicycle or walk to work like you stated in your initial comment. Within my office most people live at least 10 miles from work, might be a bit sweaty when we got there.

My statement was in response to Brembys comment that we could save about a trillion dollars by prevention. Prevention has been said to lower health care costs previously without the data to back it up in the end. Of course we have no idea how he arrived at his numbers on this one either.

Talking of resources ..... are you better off financially than you were 6 months ago when the trillion dollar stimulus bill was signed? There are some resources there that could have went to better use also.

No where in my statement did I deny the loss of life in the wars in the Middle East .... I have two friends who gave their lives over there and many friends/family who have served multiple tours in these war zones. The war in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost America many lives ,,,, and to those who lost their life there we owe a debt of gratitude.

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Seamus 4 years, 8 months ago

BigDog, I'm not going to spoon feed you information that is readily available on the internet. Do a few google searches yourself. Or, perhaps to make it more simple: moderate daily exercise has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to reduce the rate of diabetes, cancer and cardiovascular disease. As far as "liberal" BS goes, do you deny that 4000 Americans were killed in Iraq? The war in Iraq is nothing more than one of resources, which--again-- you're free to research yourself. Read some of the Project for the New American Century's position papers from the late 90s. As far as commenting on the issue, it appears that you believe BO is a more important issue than anything else.

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BigDog 4 years, 8 months ago

Seamus, typical liberal BS ...... how about commenting on the issue? The savings talked about previously in health care never came about.

Why should people of intelligence believe it would happen this time?

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Seamus 4 years, 8 months ago

BigDog-- thanks for bringing some maturity to the conversation. You apparently prefer 4000 dead Americans over having a little BO at the office.

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smitty 4 years, 8 months ago

Too milque toast for the job.

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vegas3 4 years, 8 months ago

Bremby is just hacking again. He wants to go to DC too.

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BigDog 4 years, 8 months ago

Seamus, that sounds great but i can imagine how the office would smell if everyone bicycled to work ..... it would be like a saturday afternoon at walmart.

also, wasn't people quitting smoking supposed to reduce health care costs ..... we half less than half as many smokers as we did 12 years ago and health care costs have declined how much???

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edjayhawk 4 years, 8 months ago

I'm sure he lied...Right. Republicans don't have a chance if the health plan actually saves money.

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jmadison 4 years, 8 months ago

To which estimates does Mr. Bremby refer? Any links to his sources?

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Seamus 4 years, 8 months ago

If people just walked or cycled to work then we'd be saving billions in not only health care costs but in oil, wars to secure foreign oil, road construction, automaker bailouts, etc. Yet we continue our Happy Motoring ways, ignoring the fact that our cars are not only killing us but miring us in foreign conflicts that could have easily been avoided if not for the addiction to oil in the first place. It couldn't be simpler.

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