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Tiahrt, town hall crowd criticize plan for health care reform

Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., spoke and listened to resident complaints about health care reform during a town hall meeting. While people on both sides of the issue engaged in heated conversations, nothing got out of hand.

August 13, 2009, 11:28 a.m. Updated August 13, 2009, 3:44 p.m.

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Tiahrt delivers details at town hall meetings

U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., discusses the importance and influence of his town hall forums regarding proposed changes to the health care system in the United States. Tiahrt spoke after a luncheon meeting organized by the Lawrence Chamber of Commerce. Enlarge video

Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., addresses those gathered for the Lawrence Chamber of Commerce's National Congressional Series luncheon Thursday at Macelli's, 1031 New Hampshire. Tiahrt touched on several issues during his talk, including how to bring jobs to Kansas as well as his opposition to a government-run health care system.

Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., addresses those gathered for the Lawrence Chamber of Commerce's National Congressional Series luncheon Thursday at Macelli's, 1031 New Hampshire. Tiahrt touched on several issues during his talk, including how to bring jobs to Kansas as well as his opposition to a government-run health care system.

Clark Sutphen of Topeka speaks during a meeting on health care Thursday at the Topeka-Shawnee County Public Library. An overflow crowd of more than 200 people showed up. Most were opposed to plans by Democrats. The meeting was led by U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Goddard.

Clark Sutphen of Topeka speaks during a meeting on health care Thursday at the Topeka-Shawnee County Public Library. An overflow crowd of more than 200 people showed up. Most were opposed to plans by Democrats. The meeting was led by U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Goddard.

More than 200 people on Thursday filled a room at the Topeka-Shawnee County Public Library to attend health care meeting called by U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Goddard. Dozens more were seated in a spillover area. Tiahrt opposes plans by Democrats to reform health care system.

More than 200 people on Thursday filled a room at the Topeka-Shawnee County Public Library to attend health care meeting called by U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Goddard. Dozens more were seated in a spillover area. Tiahrt opposes plans by Democrats to reform health care system.

Tiahrt's Take

Answering a question from the audience in Lawrence, U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., outlined ways he would change the health care system if he were granted “ultimate power” over the health care system — a situation he likened to being “king for a day.”

He said he would:

  • Work to reduce “excessive paperwork” that forces hospitals to spend 1.1 hours on paperwork for every hour of care provided.
  • Support creation of portable health records, so people can control access to their own information.
  • Allow consumers to “shop across state lines” for health insurance, to “expand the pool” of insured people.
  • Ensure that people with pre-existing conditions can get coverage.
  • Provide vouchers for people under the poverty level, so they could shop for insurance.
  • See that a “basic” health policy would be offered to everyone, while people would be allowed to buy extra coverage as they saw fit.

— U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., said Thursday that he feared the health care reform plan proposed by Democrats would allow states to urge the elderly to refuse care and die.

He told an overflow crowd of more than 200 people attending a town hall meeting at the Topeka-Shawnee County Public Library that H.R. 3200 would require elderly people to get end-of-life counseling.

He said he feared that in states such as Oregon, which allows the terminally ill to end their lives, the proposed health care bill would result in elderly people being encouraged to stop treatments in order to reduce expenses in the health care system.

“You can take the blue pill,” he said. Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, also a Republican, has made a similar claim.

Later, Tiahrt repeated the assertion during a luncheon meeting organized by the Lawrence Chamber of Commerce. About 90 chamber members and guests attended the luncheon at Maceli’s, including one who asked Tiahrt whether lawmakers had a responsibility to “correct incorrect information” during such legislative debates.

That’s one of the reasons Tiahrt carries around a copy of the 1,017-page bill, he said: to be sure he’s being truthful.

“When somebody makes a statement, I look it up,” he said, turning his attention to the end-of-life counseling issue. “The way I’ve read it, it’s mandatory.”

But non-partisan observers and researchers of the health care debate say the Democratic proposal contains no such mandate.

The bill allows Medicare to pay for doctors’ appointments for patients to discuss living wills, and other end-of-life planning. A number of health care organizations and the AARP support this proposal.

Tiahrt also criticized a part of the bill that would set up a research center to determine the best ways to treat ailments. He said this would limit what doctors could try to do for patients. President Barack Obama, however, has said the research could be used to advise health care workers.

Most folks at the Topeka forum opposed the reform plan, with many people expressing displeasure with Obama, the federal government, illegal immigrants, socialism, lawsuits against doctors, and politicians in general.

Tiahrt, a conservative Republican from Goddard who is running for U.S. Senate, was warmly received by the crowd.

He said several times that the United States has the best health care system in the world, and that expanding the federal government’s role would ruin it.

Obama and many congressional Democrats are pushing for changes to extend health care coverage to the approximately 47 million uninsured, rein in skyrocketing health care costs, and prevent private insurance abuses.

But people at the meeting were opposed to the Democratic initiative.

Clark Sutphen, a Vietnam veteran from Topeka, asked, “When is everything going to be stopped being pushed down our throats?” He said Obama reminded him of a dictator “with a little mustache.”

When one man complained that illegal immigrants were getting health care in hospital emergency rooms, another man yelled: “We should just let them die.” A woman, in asking a question to Tiahrt, referred to illegal immigrants from Mexico as “wetbacks.”

Matthew Asher of Holton said he received dialysis treatment nine hours per day and was concerned that bringing 47 million uninsured into coverage would impede his access to health care.

Tiahrt agreed with him. He said the Democratic proposal, which features a public option insurance plan, would shrink the private health insurance market and reduce the pay of physicians, which ultimately would lead to “longer waiting lines in order to get care.”

Tiahrt said when Congress reconvenes in September, Republicans would offer an alternative plan.

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mtnict 4 years, 7 months ago

I love all the comments regarding the healthcare bill as socialistic if any of the idiots could read they would be able to go back in history and see that medicare was regarded in much the same way in the 60s that healthcare reform is being regarded today - I guess history does have a tendency to repeat itself.

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jejns1 4 years, 8 months ago

Frankly, a great deal of the protesters at the Town Hall meetings sound like they are shouting, "I got mine, to h*ll with you"! Nice way to think, all you "Christians".

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jayhawklawrence 4 years, 8 months ago

Azure-Attitude:

I am sorry I did not see that video clip but the point I wanted to make was that he had "some" good ideas. I don't agree with "all" of his ideas.

But that is the frustrating thing about listening to the political debates. They don't seem to lead anywhere that most Americans want to be. The political process is becoming disfunctional.

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

My question is: Where his supporters able to pack arms at his townhall meeting?

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

We really need to legally step down hard on the outrageous actions of the Religious Rite.

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

I am entitled to hate the Religious Rite. AND I will not let up until they are embarrassed out of influence.

One of my favorite Dr.s was shot and killed inside his church. Hatred toward the murderous Religious Rite is earned. Tiahrt's murderous Christian mafia is among them, no doubt about it. And that is why the counter-terrorism experts consider the Religious Rite a domestic terrorist group.

Ya think Tiahrt isn't associate with these folks?! Reminding you Tim McVeigh rented his truck from Manhattan, with a tag-along Middle-easterner on that day, from this area of the state.

These people deserve hate, along with todd. What happened to his son, anyway?

FRIDAY 14 AUGUST 2009 Report: Right-Wing Militias on the Rise in US http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hzk54GTEtwJgZGwcBkH4rch6p8Jg Thursday 13 August 2009

by: Alex Ogle | A report by the Southern Poverty Law Center shows right-wing extremist groups gaining traction in recent months. (Photo: AFP)

Washington - Incensed by the election of the first black US president, right-wing militia groups in the United States are rising again after a decade of decline, according to new research on extremist groups.

Ideologically driven by racism and a virulent anti-government, anti-taxation and anti-immigrant agenda, the homegrown groups that thrived in the 1990s and spurred numerous deadly terrorist attacks are expanding, said the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

"This is the most significant growth we've seen in 10 to 12 years," said a law enforcement official quoted by the SPLC in its special report "The Second Wave: Return of the Militias."

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

And here is a good story about Tiahrt's Christian mafia story:

Who's behind the attacks on a health care overhaul? By Margaret Talev, McClatchy Newspapers – Fri Aug 14, 3:11 pm ET WASHINGTON — Much of the money and strategy behind the so-called grassroots groups organizing opposition to the Democrats' health care plans comes from conservative political consultants, professional organizers and millionaires, some of whom hold financial stakes in the outcome. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/73765.html

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Ray Parker 4 years, 8 months ago

From 2001 through 2005, abortion advocates were successful in getting 17 states to reject the federal grants for abstinence education funding. The results show they were worse off for their decisions. For teen girls under the age of 15, the CDC figures showed a 7.5% decrease in abortions in states rejecting the abstinence funding but a larger 23.1% decrease in abortions among states accepting the grants. While states rejecting abstinence funding saw a 5.2% decrease in abortions among girls age 15 to 19, states accepting the funds experienced a much larger 20.5% decrease. Overall, the teen abortion rate among girls 19 years old and younger for states which rejected abstinence only funding was 48.2% higher than in states which had accepted funding. Obamanation’s administration has no intention of reducing the number of abortions, but instead intends to increase abortion mill profits, the favorite cash cow of Democrats and RINOs.


The House Marxist medical left-wing takeover measure, HR 3200, would drastically change longstanding federal policy against funding abortions, because of an amendment a House committee adopted before lawmakers went home for their August recess. The bill creates a nationwide insurance plan run by the federal government, and the Capps Amendment, crafted by leading pro-abortion lawmakers, explicitly authorizes this government plan to cover all elective abortions. This means that any citizen who wants to take advantage of the public plan will be compelled to purchase coverage for abortion on demand. The federal agency will collect the premium money, receive bills from abortionist quacks, and send the abortionist payment checks from the federal Treasury account. The main intent of Obamanation-Care is to create a bloated federal bureaucracy running a nationwide abortion-on-demand insurance plan, funneling taxpayer funds to abortionist quacks, and thereby a big kickback to Democrat campaign coffers. Meanwhile, criminal Planned Parenthood officials are making regular White House visits, while Obamanation continues appointing admitted eugenicists and Communists to White House staff.

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beobachter 4 years, 8 months ago

snap, you made my day. I still have ability to piss you off.

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Azure_Attitude 4 years, 8 months ago

Jayhawklawrence:

Based on your comment it sounds like you didn't hear Jim DeMint caught on tape saying if they can derail helath care reform they can destroy the Ombama presidency and get Republicans back in power. If he's got such great ideas why would he have to resort to such tactics? Seems like he's part of the problem to me.

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BrianR 4 years, 8 months ago

Todd, End of life planning = Hospice, wills, estate planning, financial decisions, power of atty, etc., etc., not a "death panel", you idiot.

Or are you lying just because that is what your sheep want to hear?

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

Worth repeating: “28 March 2009 at 6:40 p.m. beobachter (Anonymous) says… …Ok, I'm done, you don't need to ban my account, I won't be back.”

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jayhawklawrence 4 years, 8 months ago

I don't know of any good that can come from the kind of political discourse we see in the media today. Given the fact that we only have two political choices so fundamentally opposed to one another, seems like a good reason to begin thinking about another political party.

Essentially, that is what the independents are today.

I think as long as the Republicans pursue this narrow minded strategy to try to destroy Obama's presidency anyway they can, they don't truly represent the American people who more and more belong to the third party in America which is the Independent Party.

I think most Americans are practical and conservative. They know we need health care and energy reform and they are looking for practical solutions. Whoever can represent this point of view will gain favor. One Republican Senator who has impressed me has been Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina. He is one of the only ones who actually comes up with good ideas.

Good ideas is what the American people want to discuss, not what Tiarht represents.

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BrianR 4 years, 8 months ago

"Where do people from other countries go if they need the BEST practices and specialties in the world??? Oh Yeah, It's right here!"

The US isn't even in the top ten.

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Thats_messed_up 4 years, 8 months ago

I live in Lawrence. I think I'm smarter than the rest of Kansas. I live in Lawrence. I think I'm smarter than the rest of Kansas. I live in Lawrence. I think I'm smarter than the rest of Kansas. I live in Lawrence. I think I'm smarter than the rest of Kansas. I live in Lawrence. I think I'm smarter than the rest of Kansas. Blah Blah Blah Blah

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jimincountry 4 years, 8 months ago

Obama does not care as long as he gets some kind of credit fit for a messiah.

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quimby 4 years, 8 months ago

more lies and fear mongering from the right. IDIOTS!

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beobachter 4 years, 8 months ago

Godot, have you read the bill? You just criticized Obama for not having read it? So every time you talk about it, you're doing what you claim Obama is doing. Talking about something you know nothing about. Same thing all the rest of the astroturfers are doing.

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LawSW 4 years, 8 months ago

Just more of the Republican party spewing forth the wishes of the insurance companies and protecting their interests instead of the PEOPLE of this country--quit the propaganda and TELL THE TRUTH. That party NEARLY DESTROYED THIS COUNTRY, IDIOTS!!! Dick Chaney and his ilk nearly ran this country into the ground, they do not care one iota about it's people. They serve the god of money and nothing else!

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hedshrinker 4 years, 8 months ago

I'd be interested n hearing from Skinny or others about how they can pick and choose fr various health plans and pay for it on their own....in today's climate of lay-offs, jobless recovery, and employer strategy of hiring temps and part-timers to avoid paying benefits, millions of people do not have the luxury of Cadillac employer-supported health care plans. Trying to access affordable coverage that actually pays for anything on the open market as an individual is next to impossible. You basically get 3 strikes against you in terms of health problems (one of those includes allergies/chronic allergic rhinitis) and then they will either deny you outright or rider those conditions so that they dont ever have to pay for them. Private individual insurance may cost $1,000 per month or more with huge deductibles and exclusions. Even if you are lucky enuf to obtain empl0yer group insurance, you will frequently fight for them to actually pay claims. Insurance co are in business to make money by only collecting premiums from healthy people who dont cost them anything in claims. Health care providers spend days every month filling out endless forms begging insurance co pencil pushers who are not medically trained to pay legitimate claims for people who think they have coverage. I'm offended by Tiarrt's disingenuous claim that the US has the best health care system in the world when it's been shown by multiple longitudinal studies to cost more and have lousier outcomes on most important categories than most developed and even many developing countries, at significantly lower cost to patients. I cant count on my fingers and toes the # of people I know who have had to declare bankruptcy b/c of medical expenses....this does not happen in other cultures...what is wrong with our proud, individualistic society that it is willing to throw millions of our citizens under the bus? I am just completely shocked by the level of animosity and ignorance that I have seen in these so-called town meetings, pandering to fear and prejudice and mob rule. Feels like 50's McCarthyism and 60's civil right hysteria all over again. I guess this is what happens in a time of scarcer and scarcer resources, that someone or something has to be demonized and blamed and scapegoated. Please lets breathe and appeal to our higher natures rather than our baser instincts.

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Azure_Attitude 4 years, 8 months ago

He's carrying around a copy of the bill so he can fact check and be honest? He must be reading impaired becuase the bills clearly says that counseling is voluntary. Either that or being deliberately misleading and I'm sure it's the latter. In fact, most insurance policies have provisions for end of life counselling for people to decide what level of care they want if terminal. You know, it's called a living will.

Morons scream about how this will hurt small businesses. Since only businesses that exceed $250,000 in taxable income, the amount arrived at after everything remotely possible has been deducted on their Schedule C, if you are such a lamoid that you cannot spare $20,000 for the people who helped you earn that, then you are one big, giant, monumental @$$hole.

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fallingwhilereading 4 years, 8 months ago

Health care tourism moto. Is see you do not keep up with current news either. Many Americans are traveling to other countries to get treatments. For many different problems. Its usually cheaper to go to India, or other countries, and stay there while getting treated for what ever is their issues. With better results, and amazingly cheaper. Facts are our health care system sucks. I do not like the demicans plan though. I think it is not well thought out at all. I do believe we need a health care plan .

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fallingwhilereading 4 years, 8 months ago

I thought my body belonged to me? If I do not want an injury stitched up, and do not mind a scare isn't that my choice. If I am diagnosed with terminal cancer, or something else. Shouldn't I be able to choose to end my life in a respectable manner. When should the government be able to tell anyone how they will care for their own well being. Also the demicans plan sucks. Why hasn't the government gone to countries where the option for private, and government health have a health care that system works? Study, and use the best parts from their plans. Look at what isn't working very well with those systems of health care, and try to figure out how not to have those issues with a well thought out plan of our own?The republicrats always bring up Canada, and the United Kingdom. What about Taiwan, Japan, Austria, Germany, and on, and on. Truly when the republicrates were working on Medicare. The demicans fought it tooth, and nail. George Washington was right when he said a party system would be the down fall of this country. oh, and skinny housing cost have been dropping since late 2005 keep up.

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motocross 4 years, 8 months ago

I'll PAY for is MYSELF!

Where do people from other countries go if they need the BEST practices and specialties in the world??? Oh Yeah, It's RIGHT HERE!

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skinny 4 years, 8 months ago

Another form of welfare, no thank you. I can choose and pick my own health care plan and pay for it myself.

Next thing you know these same people will be wanting the government to furnish them with affordable housing because housing cost have skyrocketed.

This purposed health care plan will not pass. The American people are smarter than that!

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jonas_opines 4 years, 8 months ago

pace: They also have to make up for telling GWB "Yes" to all of his huge projects and giant deficits. It's just that they only have the chance to stay true (cough) to their principles of small government when a Democrat is in the Oval Office, so they try and make up for it.

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pace 4 years, 8 months ago

I am so tired over wing nuts blaming Obama for not being able to fix all the problems without it costing us anything. Did they think the free corporate ride wasn't ever coming home to roost. I am sorry but the free ride on basing this country on a ever ballooning consumer economy really has to be over. Too bad it hurts, suck it up and get ready to change.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 8 months ago

Health care costs and facts:

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2008/0508harrison.html

Senate and House Legislation: http://www.guaranteedhealthcare.org/legislation/hr-676-conyers/united-states-national-health-insurance-act

http://www.healthcare-now.org/2009/03/single-payer-health-reform-bill-introduced-in-senate/

The latest cost of medical insurance for 2010 is $18,310 up from $13,000-$14,000 = no savings here.

The industry is blowing $1.4 million health care/insurance dollars a day to prevent reform. Likely will be spending more than $100,000,000 to prevent reform. That is a lot of long term cancer treatments.

AT $2700 a year for a family of four under HR 676 $1.4 million dollars would cover approximately 519 families in the USA each day the money is being recklessly wasted.

OR by the time their anti citizen campaign is over close to 20,000 familes could have been provided insurance 24/7 365 days a year under an HR 676 design.

The insurance industry is anything but efficient.

Paying More Getting Less http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2008/0508harrison.html

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 8 months ago

HR 676 is the one that would be best for large and small business plus individuals. It is by far the most practical and comprehensive AND the best bang for the buck. It should be amended to allow for the choice to be HR 676 or one from the industry. Let the people make the choice.

HR 676 has been been around for years therefore has been tuned up and refined. No matter what number is attached in the end this is what consumers and business should go for.

Why use Medicare? It eliminates reinventing the wheel therefore saves a big bundle of money and time = efficient use of existing resources. Medicare is in place therefore it is ready to roll which is convenient. The only major change necessary is reimbursement numbers which the author and the 87 cosigners are perfectly aware. They are also very much aware of what the inefficient insurance companies pay out on invoices which is never full invoice. Insurance companies usually pay out about 50%-60%.

The USA needs to STOP being be the most expensive insurance/health care of the industrialized nations if americans want jobs back. HR 676 Medicare for All insurance coverage is key to creating new wealth for america. The most expensive health insurance in the world is not the answer for keeping business costs down and keeping our cost of living somewhat in check.

Consider the USA as the only major industrial nation that does not provide health insurance/health coverage for its' people.

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couranna1 4 years, 8 months ago

climb on board godont Universal Health is happenin and it is about time but you and shewmon can commiserate at the next Klan oops i meant republicant meeting

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couranna1 4 years, 8 months ago

well if hitler was running for governor in Kansas as a republican and jesus was running as a democrat hitler would oh wait you have brownback much worse

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Godot 4 years, 8 months ago

lloyd dobler, according to the Obamanistas who are appearing on cable tv tonight, there is "no bill." there are nine bills sitting in Congress, and there have been no decisions made. Yet the Democrat Congress Critters who dare show their faces in public are stumping for HR3200, by name and by number.

Have they read it?

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Stain 4 years, 8 months ago

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#32395893

Rachel Maddow reports on this and the threats of violence are escalating and becoming increasingly unbalanced and insane.

America is better than these ignorant, violent haters and fools.

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Godot 4 years, 8 months ago

Obama hasn't read it. He said so. He wouldn't lie, would he? He demonstrates that he is shooting from the hip every time he goes "off prompter." Yet he is stumping, big time, for passage of this mythical bill that no one admits to understanding, and he promises he will sign it into law the minute it appears on his desk. Why?

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LloydDobbler 4 years, 8 months ago

Godot, have you actually read the bill? If you haven't read the bill and you are getting your information from Palin, Limbaugh, Beck and O'Reilly, you are less than informed...you are extraordinarily misinformed.

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LloydDobbler 4 years, 8 months ago

Had the same exact bill been proposed by an old white guy, it would pass with no questions asked. It's not so much the American people that have a race problem, it's Republican Congressmen.

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Godot 4 years, 8 months ago

BigPrune, Obama lied. Excuse me, Obama never lies, he just makes stuff up 'cuz it seems right at the time. Kind of like the car salesman who says, "this is a cream puff. You take this home today and I will give you the deal of a lifetime." "Warranty? Sure, sure, 30 days drivetrain only, ......" "You can buy the extended warranty program for another $2,000, and let me tell you, that is a bargain, because if anything on your car breaks down (other than the things that are excluded) we will fix your car, after you pay a deductible. Contract? what contract? You want to see what the contract says? You really do? Well,,, hmmmff,,,,see,,,,well, just sign here, right now, and I will send you a copy of the contract. Sure, honey, I will, I promise. You want to know what you are buying? Don't you trust me? What is it you do not like about the promises I have made? What? You want proof? Hey, honey, really, what are you doin? You're bustin' my balls. Really. Jezus. Just sign on the line, now. You don't sign and the deal goes away. I mean it. You don't want to sign? I'll sign for you. Just give me the money. You want to add up the invoice? Who are you? What are you doin? Write the check. Give it 30 days, If you don't like it, I will give you a full refund, I promise....."

That is what Obama, the used-car-salesman-in-chief, is saying to America with regard to health care reform

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LloydDobbler 4 years, 8 months ago

It looks like Mr. Tiahrt decided to join the fray and become yet another in a long line of lying liars who lie. In this age of pander-fests, I guess Mr. Tiahrt has chosen to take the path that he thinks will get him re-elected instead of telling the truth. The truth is that the part of the bill that has everyone on the far right enraged as a "death panel" simply offers to pay for people to get medical counseling, if they choose to do so, to help them make end of life decisions...medical counseling by doctors not government officials.

Shame on you Mr. Tiahrt. If you are going to be one of those who says no to the current plan, at least have the guts to offer alternatives. That is your job, by the way.

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BigPrune 4 years, 8 months ago

When did AARP endorse this deal? All I've seen in the press is they did not endorse this proposal, yet the article says they did. Which is it? http://voices.kansascity.com/node/5433

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jumpin_catfish 4 years, 8 months ago

Machiavelli_mania, your hater stuff is old.

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Godot 4 years, 8 months ago

Reid will ram this monstrosity down our throats in conference, democracy and due process be damned.

"The House, with a large Democratic majority, is expected to pass a bill with a public option in it. If the Senate version doesn't have one, I asked, does the public option have a shot when Senate and House negotiators meet to smooth out their differences in a conference committee? "I'm not going to -- I have to get a bill off the floor," Reid said with a low chuckle. "So I'm not going to be threatening or suggesting anything that might come in conference. Get the picture?" I did.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/13/nineteen-minutes-in-a-car-with-harry-reid/

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

I don't care for Obama, but I have to point out that you loved Bush, which is just as bad. No, it is far, far worse.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 8 months ago

The Anointed One is in a no win situation now. There's no turning back. Watered down bill, loser. Ram it down America's throat as-is, loser. Damned if he do, damned if he don't. He will finish his one and only term around the low to mid 30's, blacks and far-left loons being the only ones who still say he's OK.

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

Nancy, how was Bush at the end of his term?? Seem to remember it being lower than Nixon's at resignation time.

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

These is not one contributer I trust among his donors.

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

Anyone know just how often Tiahrt voted with bizarre, insane Bush? Can certainly find out on the internet.

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

Maybe his mistress or master is here. Of course, he was told that "morality is for the little people".

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 8 months ago

MyName, Rasmussen poll. Sorry.

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

You can tell Simon loves Tiahrt. Well, we don't. And this is why I don't get the paper. The slant. My news comes from elsewhere.

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lama 4 years, 8 months ago

The Family let him come to Lawrence? Or maybe God told him to come?

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 8 months ago

Topeka —" U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., said Thursday that he feared the health care reform plan proposed by Democrats would allow states to urge the elderly to refuse care and die."

How stupid...... an elected official actually said this???

Todd Tihart loves government. For him to indicate otherwise makes him a phoney.

Like Brownback and Jenkins none of them apparently can live without government assistance aka taxpayer funded paycheck,taxpayer funded medical insurance and corrupt special interest financing for their campaigns.

Tihart,Jenkins and Brownback are as much of the problem as anyone else. They are playing voters and taxpayers for fools

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Stain 4 years, 8 months ago

It took a black president to flush out the racists among us. Most thinking people are shocked to discover how many racists there still are.

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cowboy 4 years, 8 months ago

Stupid people standing in front of more stupider people getting the studipest all riled up to go over and disrupt the intelligent people. Really , the republican summer break should be dubbed " Dumb and Dumber , The Sequel"

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Stain 4 years, 8 months ago

The CEO of Whole Foods has come out with an op ed in the Wall Street Journal opposing universal health care and real reform. He puts forth half a dozen lame "solutions" that totally fall short, and encourages people to eat his food.

If you feel like boycotting Whole Foods please sign the petition saying so: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/i-will-boycott-whole-foods-for-opposing-health-care-reform

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Stain 4 years, 8 months ago

The crazies at the town hall meetings make me embarrassed to be an American.

The Republicans holding these meetings are dishonest manipulators of people who are "information challenged" to put it kindly, and without the skills to think for themselves. They will deserve what they will get in 2010 and 2012.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 8 months ago

The big three and many many many unions are backing HR 676 National Health Insurance/Medicare for All. This is ironic considering health care has always been a tool for leverage in bargain talks. The bottom line is HR 676/Medicare for All would be the best thing that could happen to business large and small.

Definitely would encourage new small buisness. Across the board it does make america more employable.

Without a major effort such as this the USA could stay in the financial dumps for a very long time. Recession or not without millions upon millions of NEW good paying jobs the USA economics is sour. No longer an economic super power. Without the economic super power status the USA is merely a small time player..... in spite of the smoke and screen talk.

We need jobs. We need HR 676! They are one!

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georgeofwesternkansas 4 years, 8 months ago

Merrill,I understad and respect your position on this issue. I read your posts each day and believe you are an intelegent person...

The thing that bothers me is that of all of these posts, no one, not one has discussed the laws that govern medicare reimbursment. Specifially, the laws that govern the Medicare Prevailing Rate, reimbursment and the associated consiquences.

I hope these facts would shed a different light on the subject, and help all Americans to understand what We The People have subjected the health care industry to for the past 40 years...I may be a smart ass, but I assure you I understand this issue...

I know there is no easy answer to the issue...I would pay for the phone call to talk to you about it...You in or not??

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MyName 4 years, 8 months ago

@Nancy_boy:

I love how you try and portray the President and his supporters as being panicky when it's the nutjobs on the fringe right that are going around painting swastikas on everything and trying to convince the American public that the sky is falling.

Also, not that polls mean much since he's got 3.5 years of governing, but that 47% must have been pulled out of some faux news affiliate. He's at around 56% favorability in most of the polls I've seen. But even at 47% he's still got a ways to go before you can talk G.W. Bush numbers.

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George_Braziller 4 years, 8 months ago

Ugggh. People who don't have any insurance wait until they are about dead and then go to the emergency room which ends up costing tens of thousands of dollars more. They don't have a choice.

Shrinking the expense of the administrative part of private insurance would save billions of dollars. Problem is that all of the stock holders in the privately owned companies would crap their pants.

Tiahrt agreed with him. He said the Democratic proposal, which features a public option insurance plan, would shrink the private health insurance market and reduce the pay of physicians, which ultimately would lead to “longer waiting lines in order to get care.”

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Orwell 4 years, 8 months ago

In case you still had any questions about whether Tiahrt is an extremist divisive demagogue liar, they've been answered conclusively. He is the worst of the worst.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 8 months ago

The more The Anointed One's numbers plummet in the polls, the more panicky and shrill the far-left zealots and/or The Anointed One's supporters tone becomes.

Down almost 20 points since early spring...now at 47%....dropped a stunning ten points in about a month. Even Dubya can't beat that.

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autie 4 years, 8 months ago

ksjayhawk74 said: What would Jesus do? Who would Jesus want to be covered?

autie writes: dude, don't ask them those kind of questions. Like Todd, they will merely light up a big smoke bomb because they can't answer the question. It would be easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than to have a religous right wing conservative like them to answer the question. Apparently Jesus doesn't vote or hang out in DC.

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KS 4 years, 8 months ago

Merril - Would you please stop the cut and paste. Nobody reads you anymore. Thanks.

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ksjayhawk74 4 years, 8 months ago

What I like to ask these people that don't want their tax dollars goin' to no foreigners or colorerds is:

What would Jesus do? Who would Jesus want to be covered?

I love posing this question because they are typically "religious" and will still come back with something to the effect of saying that Jesus would say to hell with 'em...

Jesus would want EVERYONE to have health care. You really can't argue that.

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Bob Hechlor 4 years, 8 months ago

I see Pilgrim is still fighting for the poor wealthy people. That's dedication.

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autie 4 years, 8 months ago

Maybe Todd should go on wheel of fortune, and by a vowel. I'd like an A please..so he could be TiahArt...He is a liar, brownback is a liar and so is Jenkins. Good lord they want to tell people the bill promotes old people killing themselves? Fear mongering liars..paid thugs from the RNC...Don't expand government? What in the hell have they been doing for the last eight years? OH by the way, the constitution doesn't say anything about building federal highways or monitoring drugs and food or the SEC or on and on and on...Their argument is weak and only holds fruit for the ignorant and fruitless...and when I get rich like a repub, I will buy every hungry person a fruit pie...Bobby Hill.

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Bob Hechlor 4 years, 8 months ago

Tiahart took several hours and learned the talking points from his C street buddies who took time away from their extramarital affairs and world conquering missions. Nice job of reciting the lines and avoiding any thought processes. The republican dinosaurs are defunct.

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MyName 4 years, 8 months ago

Textbook Rove strategy: If you can't come up with real policy, lie to people and pray on our divisions.

The trouble for the fringe on the right is that's a playbook that's starting to get a little long in the teeth.

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grammaddy 4 years, 8 months ago

Could the Regurgicans please come up with a new game please?!? Playing the fear card and twisting the truth has gotten REALLY old!!!

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rbwaa 4 years, 8 months ago

I meant to say, do his "king for a day" plans make him a socialist?

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

I don't drink. Already have healed the self with what is known at this date. But I have read books on how to spot an alcoholic by their behaviors. If you know the behaviors, it is so easy to spot.

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ralphralph 4 years, 8 months ago

My theory: Most people know little or nothing about what is in the bill; or what its intended and unintended effects would be; or what its cost would be; or who would pay that cost and how.
My theory (part 2): Most people don't trust ANY politician, DEM or GOP, or, at least they shouldn't. My theory (part 3): Any reform is meaningless, unless we first reform the system of prostitution whereby politicians roll over for lobbyists with checkbooks.

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rbwaa 4 years, 8 months ago

Oh, and btw, does that make him a socialist?

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Pilgrim2 4 years, 8 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Pilgrim, maybe you should get off the bottle. Your disease is showing.


Physician, heal thyself.

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yourworstnightmare 4 years, 8 months ago

Tiahrt is going for the base. The embarrassing nastiness of these participants, encouraged by the likes of Jenkins, Brownback and Tiahrt, will be death knell for the republican party.

The GOP might win Kansas in a national election and maybe a few other great plains/southern states, but they shall never see national office again if this nonsense keeps up.

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rbwaa 4 years, 8 months ago

Does anyone else see the hypocrisy in the following statements attributed to Tiahrt from the sidebar of the article?

‘Answering a question from the audience in Lawrence, U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., outlined ways he would change the health care system if he were granted “ultimate power” over the health care system — a situation he likened to being “king for a day.” He said he would: • Work to reduce “excessive paperwork” that forces hospitals to spend 1.1 hours on paperwork for every hour of care provided. • Support creation of portable health records, so people can control access to their own information. • Allow consumers to “shop across state lines” for health insurance, to “expand the pool” of insured people. • Ensure that people with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. • Provide vouchers for people under the poverty level, so they could shop for insurance. • See that a “basic” health policy would be offered to everyone, while people would be allowed to buy extra coverage as they saw fit.’ ======================================================== How is that different than what is included in current health care/insurance reform proposals?

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barrypenders 4 years, 8 months ago

Let's just provide health care for the planet. To gain street cred, the non-needy type for socialized government health care love need to have candle light vigils, march in the streets, roll and burn gas guzzlers, not green ones, and lie limp in the road blocking traffic. Doing this would be a progressive manuver and gain progressive respect.

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jonas_opines 4 years, 8 months ago

"Good gods, you formed a theory about something so trivial??"

Errr. . . no.

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

Pilgrim, maybe you should get off the bottle. Your disease is showing.

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Pilgrim2 4 years, 8 months ago

jonas_opines (Anonymous) says…

copy and paste don't actually take that long


Especially when you have built up the archive Richard has, and can just cut-n-paste away without any actual effort or thought. He still drags out stuff from before Y2K when he's off his OCD meds.

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

Good gods, you formed a theory about something so trivial??

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

Why did tiahrt's son kill himself???

As for the townhall meetings, we know that insurance companies are stirring it up at the meetings. AND the GOP will do anything!! anything for a dollar.

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jonas_opines 4 years, 8 months ago

copy and paste don't actually take that long

The theory floats around that it's more than one person too.

who knows

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monheim 4 years, 8 months ago

Let them die? Wetbacks? All of this based on what is most likely a misunderstanding of what the bill actually says anyway? The death panels thing is STILL alive and kicking?

Well done, Topeka, you've represented your state valiantly. This is getting so ridiculously moronic I can feel my skin crawl at the thought of even trying to engage these people.

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edjayhawk 4 years, 8 months ago

A comment made earlier makes a lot of sense. How many people that are opposed to a public option of healthcare are currently receiving government benefits such as unemployment, SS, medicare etc....If you are receiving any of these or other government sponsored funding, then SHUT YOUR PIEHOLE because you have no business to gripe!

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1derer 4 years, 8 months ago

Just 1dering, where does Merrill work that he has time to write and post massive manuscripts on so many articles?

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thinkagain 4 years, 8 months ago

If Matthew Asher of Holton receives dialysis treatment nine hours per day, chances are he's already getting Medicare...a GOVERNMENT insurance. What an amazing statement he made and how nice HE has insurance.

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Pilgrim2 4 years, 8 months ago

KansasVoter (Anonymous) says…

Or the same people who said that george bush's Iraq war would pay for itself?


Thanks for backing me up. I know you didn't mean to, but thanks anyway.

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KansasVoter 4 years, 8 months ago

Or the same people who said that george bush's Iraq war would pay for itself?

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Pilgrim2 4 years, 8 months ago

merrill (Anonymous) says…

A family of four making the median income of $56,200 would pay about $2,700 in payroll tax for all health care costs. About $225 per month.


And once again we will ask, were those figures put together by the same folks who estimated the costs of the Cash for Clunkers program, Richard? The same guys who said there wouldn't have to be a middle class tax increase to pay for “health care reform?”

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Pilgrim2 4 years, 8 months ago

gccs14r (Anonymous) says…

Nothing like a public display of mass stupidity to make me wonder about the long-term viability of Homo sapiens.


A perfect description of Moveon, democraticunderground, dailycough, er, dailykos, truthout, and the rest of the looney left blogosphere.

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Pilgrim2 4 years, 8 months ago

merrill (Anonymous) says…

Here's the deal. Why are the media, blue dogs, repubs and their loud mouth rebel rousers coming out against medical insurance reform?


The media, Richard? Not according to one of your fellow loons on the left in another thread. S/he claims Fox News kicks butt in the media ratings because it is the only conservative media outlet, while the looney left point of view is scattered across PMSNBC, CNN, NPR, etc, etc, etc.

You guys really should get your stories straight.

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Practicality 4 years, 8 months ago

Sorry, I meant to say he is running against Jerry Moran for the vacated senate seat.

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

USA Today, bagging on Nobamacare: "President Obama made four claims Tuesday that don't pass the straight-face test. • First, he said, "Under the reform we're proposing, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor," and "If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan." USA TODAY's assessment of this statement: "Not necessarily." And the Associated Press and ABC News have proved this claim false, noting that White House officials have acknowledged the president's rhetoric shouldn't be taken "literally." That's because the White House cannot guarantee that Americans will be able to keep their health plan. They simply don't know how many employers will drop their coverage altogether if their plan goes into effect. Experts at the Lewin Group estimate the number could be more than 100 million Americans. • Second, the president said, "I look at the federal budget and realize that if we don't control costs on health care, there is no way for us to close the budget deficit — it will just keep on skyrocketing." Yet according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, the House Democrats' bill would raise costs and the deficit by $239 billion over 10 years. • Third, the president said, "We're not talking about cutting Medicare benefits." But one of the reasons seniors are so alarmed is that the plan would cut Medicare to the tune of $361.9 billion over 10 years. That means fewer choices and lower quality care — exactly what then-Sen. Obama blasted during his campaign. • Finally, the president claimed the plan will not lead to rationing. But the bill, on page 30, section 123, would create a "Health Benefits Advisory Committee" that would make determinations about what kinds of treatments, items and services can be covered within certain benefit classes, and what kind of cost sharing will occur."

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/08/column-americans-arent-going-to-buy-health-care-spin-mr-president.html

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Jimo 4 years, 8 months ago

Thanks Practicality. So the first sentence of the article should read:

"U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt, Carpetbagger from Goddard, in a quixotic attempt to demagogue his way into the U.S. Senate, organized an assembly of 'Fringers' Thursday in Topeka, telling the ill-informed mob that he feared the health care reform plan, proposed by Democrats newly elected in a landslide after campaigning to reform health care, would allow states to urge the confused and vulnerable elderly, who have long caused elected officials to quake in their boots with their power at the ballot box, to refuse care and die."

Those Democrats! They're so sly they even hoodwinked a Republican Senator to introduce the provision!

Maybe Obama should just offer a Grand Compromise: "I'll give up my wicked plans for death panels if Republicans will support a public option. Deal?" ("And transfer U.S. sovereignty to Dr. Evil as Global Dictator.")

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Practicality 4 years, 8 months ago

"And why is the Wichita congressman holding meetings in Topeka? "

Because, he has already declared his intention to run for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Brownback against Tihart. I suspect he is trying to garner some publicity in other parts of the state.

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Jimo 4 years, 8 months ago

Why does it seem there's some contest underway for "Stupidest Country on Earth" with the U.S., Kazakhstan, Somalia and North Korea headed into the final rounds?

And why is the Wichita congressman holding meetings in Topeka?

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Centerville 4 years, 8 months ago

Gee, even the Huffington post admits that there's too much euthanasia for comfort in the House bill. I guess Scott ignored that info.

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Phillbert 4 years, 8 months ago

I love the patient who says that, since he gets 9 hours of dialysis a day, he opposes reform because having more people with access to health care might inconvenience him. Nice job living by the Golden Rule there, buddy.

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KansasVoter 4 years, 8 months ago

autie (Anonymous) says… "Why do the repubs insist on these orchestrated programs of lies and deception?"

If republicans didn't lie, they could never get elected. They've learned that the media won't expose their lies, so they continue to lie with impunity.

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KEITHMILES05 4 years, 8 months ago

If people wish to not continue life saving maneveurs on themselves or loved ones that is their business and nobody elses. I wholeheartedly support their right to live or die.

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autie 4 years, 8 months ago

Why do the repubs insist on these orchestrated programs of lies and deception? Brownback, like Jenkins, like Tiahrt. Lie upon lie, fueling the masses with these BS dog and pony shows. It think it is pretty clear major change is needed. Doing something is better than the status quo.

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pace 4 years, 8 months ago

LOL I thought the people were reacting to the Republican proposed Health care Reform. They won't expose their plan until after the town hall meetings. They fear comparing them? They should trust the people to discuss their plan.

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ardoardoardo 4 years, 8 months ago

"and oh yeah, we will also have the single payer healthcare system in place"

LOL

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puddleglum 4 years, 8 months ago

man, this tiahrt guy is really embarrassing to Kansans. the good news? most all of the people that support the tiahrts out there are in their 70's, and they will die off soon enough.

then we will only have nice photos and memories of them.

and oh yeah, we will also have the single payer healthcare system in place.

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couranna1 4 years, 8 months ago

Religious Rite murderous mafia Excellent term because it fits perfectly tiahart has proven time and again what a pathetic human being he really is. yet he is a perfect example of today's republicants maybe him and palin can have a baby then we can truly see what dino DNA can do

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deathpenaltyliberal 4 years, 8 months ago

Why does Tiahrt repeat lies about "death panels"?

Why does Tiahrt lie about the US having the best health care system in the world? We have the most expensive, but are only 30th to 40th in outcomes.

Why did Tiahrt lie about Repubs presenting an alternate plan in Sept? They got nothing to offer that won't offend big pharma and the insurance companies.

Why the constant comparison of Obama with a dictator 'with a little mustache"? That disrespects the hundreds of thousands of Americans who fought a real dictator.

I do agree that illegal aliens should not be treated in emergency rooms. They should be treated in a LifeFlight helicopter as they are transported to a hospital in Juarez or Tijuana.

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1029 4 years, 8 months ago

The Republican ideology is a fear-driven ideology that appeals to racists, simpletons, and selfish people who hate the concepts of community and society.

On another note, Tiahrt might make a good VP candidate for Palin. He just needs to get more national attention--maybe after he loses the Senate primary to Moron, he could start touring rural areas and making speeches about how terrifying socialism is or something else that will fire up that idiot republican constituency into thinking that they have to "save America" from something scary.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 8 months ago

The problem is we DO NOT have the best insurance coverage in the world.

According to the CBO HR 676 is the only proposal that DOES save dollars. Yes in fact $350,000,000,000(billion). HR 676 is the only proposal with 86 co-sponsors. Yet the media,the white house and too damn many legislators pretend this bill does not exist.

So what would the new HR 676 Medicare For ALL Insurance offer to americans 365 days a year,24/7,employed or not,moving on to a new job or not,single mom or not,struck down with cancer or not?

What would a new HR 676 Medicare Insurance Plan cover 365 days a year 24/7?

A family of four making the median income of $56,200 would pay about $2,700 in payroll tax for all health care costs. About $225 per month. Today the below insurance coverage actually costs about $1,100 per month.

  • long term care such that cancer would require
  • prescription drugs
  • hospital
  • surgical
  • outpatient services
  • primary and preventive care
  • emergency services
  • dental
  • mental health
  • home health
  • physical therapy
  • rehabilitation (including for substance abuse)
  • vision care
  • hearing services including hearing aids
  • chiropractic
  • durable medical equipment
  • palliative care

A family of four making the median income of $56,200 would pay about $2,700 in payroll tax for all health care costs. About $225 per month. Today the above insurance coverage actually costs about $1,100 per month.

HR 676 ends deductibles and co-payments. If a deductible and/or co-pay policy is in effect this usually indicates under-insured.

HR 676 would save hundreds of billions annually by eliminating the high overhead of the private health insurance industry and HMOs. The privatized medical insurance industry is anything but efficient.

HR 676 contains costs and saves about $350,000,000,000 annually. But special interest politicians don't want to talk about HR 676. So they present bills that will increase the cost. Why? Special interest campaign funding(the industry) is writing those bills.... foxes in the chicken coop!

Changing nothing certainly will save nothing ever!

Senate Report Finds Insurers Wrongfully Charged Consumers Billions = BIG TIME CORRUPTION http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062401636.html

Go to : http://www.healthcare-now.org/hr-676/

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 8 months ago

Politicians,medical insurance industry,the media and others opposed to practical,fiscally responsible,fiscally conservative and the most comprehensive medical insurance ever presented to consumers are playing the USA public for fools. http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009/06/diagnosis-reform.html

What increases the cost of medical insurance? high dollar medical insurance spending on what 2,000 health insurers add to the actual cost of providing care: • its bureaucracy • profits • high corporate salaries • advertising over charges • sales commissions • Shareholders ! are the primary clients of for-profit insurance companies, not patients • Special interest campaign dollars Golden parachutes Politicians as shareholders: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/12/AR2009061204075.html

What will HR 676 and ONLY HR 676 Eliminate? Eliminates high dollar medical insurance spending on what 2,000 health insurers add to the actual cost of providing care: • its bureaucracy • profits • high corporate salaries • advertising over charges • sales commissions • Shareholders ! are the primary clients of for-profit insurance companies, not patients • Special interest campaign dollars * Golden parachutes

*Eliminates Paying More Getting Less http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2008/0508harrison.html

*Eliminates Leading Cause Of Bankruptcy http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/bankruptcy_study.html#ixzz0IQKZLHHh&C

*Eliminates: “In front of me I have a document from my employer that shows their cost for insurance.

Medical, Dental and Vision for the year 2010 my employer will pay $15,450. I will pay another $2,860 out of my pay check. $18,310 a year for insurance is ludicrous, and we wonder why so many companies are having massive layoffs. It is a real travesty that nothing is going to happen in the near future on health care.”

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gccs14r 4 years, 8 months ago

Nothing like a public display of mass stupidity to make me wonder about the long-term viability of Homo sapiens.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 8 months ago

Here's the deal. Why are the media, blue dogs, repubs and their loud mouth rebel rousers coming out against medical insurance reform?

Are they truly concerned about wait times? No way we've been making medical appointments for 70 years or more. We have been waiting at least 50 years for fiscally responsible,fiscally conservative,practical and comprehensive medical insurance. So the wait thing is nothing but crap.

Are they truly concerned about cost? Hell no! The USA has been plagued with high cost for at least 30 years so that obviously is not their concern.

Are they concerned about government take over? The government has been involved for at least 70 years. The med insurance industry is receiving at least $1.2 trillion medical insurance tax dollars as we speak. Nope that is not a real concern just more crap.

What the hell are they concerned about? *Shareholders only give a damn about dividends that which includes many legislators which prevents legislators from remaining objective.

*Legislators against reform and on all sides of the aisle are concerned about corrupt special interest campaign money pure and simple.

*Repubs only concern is having enough corrupt money to win upcoming elections so they can come back and wreck our economy further.

*The media would just hate to lose all of those healthcare advertising dollars and they are just loving all of the money spent because of the insurance reform campaign.

In a nutshell it is all about money money money which is to say consumers and taxpayers are being taken for fools.

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Practicality 4 years, 8 months ago

"When one man complained that illegal immigrants were getting health care in hospital emergency rooms, another man yelled: “We should just let them die.” A woman, in asking a question to Tiahrt, referred to illegal immigrants from Mexico as “wetbacks.”"

Me thinks this thread is going to get nasty.

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 8 months ago

I criticize Tiahrt for belonging to the Religious Rite murderous mafia, a C-Street group who believes that "morality is for the little people".

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