Archive for Wednesday, September 10, 2008

KU freshman injured in fraternity incident

A KU freshman is injured after falling at a sorority house Wednesday night.

September 10, 2008, 8:04 p.m. Updated September 10, 2008, 8:56 p.m.


Lawrence-Douglas County Fire & Medical responded to a call for medical assistance at Kansas University's Phi Gamma Delta fraternity house, 1540 La., about 7 p.m. Wednesday.

A freshman fraternity member was injured after falling during an event at a KU sorority house and was then transported to Lawrence Memorial Hospital by ambulance, university spokesman Todd Cohen said.

The male student stood up, fell down and was injured to the point that his fraternity brothers brought him back to their house from the sorority. Phi Gamma Delta President Chris Lupton said the man was "somewhat unresponsive," so they called 911.

Lupton said the student was in good condition but chipped a tooth after hitting his head.

Lawrence police said the incident happened at the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority, 1 Gower Place, while the fraternity was having a joint function with the sorority, and that there was alcohol involved.

Lawrence police said they did not expect any criminal charges, but would put together an informational report and forward it on to the university. Cohen declined to name the student, pending notification of his family.


Lesta 9 years, 7 months ago

This situation calls for a little Lonesome Houndogs...

lime 9 years, 7 months ago

I'm in a sorority at KU and am really sad to see that our Greek system is viewed so negatively. Jack... I don't understand how you can say that all Greeks are a bunch of rich snobs who walk around drunk all the time. That's a complete stereotype. If you happen to know a few people who did that I guess that was your experience. However, I don't know anyone in the Greek system like that. If any of you who are against the Greek system can say that you've never been drunk or at least been to a party... GET REAL. That's being hypocritical.Secondly, I don't understand why you seem to think the test files help us with exams. They are mostly from the 1980's. So if you really think they are still in use you have been misinformed my friend. I have a 3.85 and have NEVER once used anything but the resources my instructors have provided online, so it's insulting to be stereotyped as a drunk invalid who gets the answers to tests. Thirdly, I am paying my way through school. And quite frankly I know at least 30-40 girls in my sorority and other sororities who are doing the same. However, the even larger number is that of the girls who partially pay. In fact, I really don't know any of these "mommies" and "daddies" that you speak of. Everyone in the Greek system I know is at least partially paying for some facet of their schooling.Fourth... Have any of you criticizing the community service work sororities and fraternities do donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to help abused women/ children, Alzheimer's research, local hospitals, and various other organizations in need of funding? Didn't think so... As a matter of fact.... I know that the Greek system is the number one private donor to many nationally recognized organizations.Fifth... The only things that are ever reported in the news are the downfalls. And it's true... There have been some. However, everyone screws up. It's not fair to classify an entire organizations over a few members.And to all of those employers out there who aren't hiring Greeks: I'm sure your business is doing great. It's disappointing that you don't consider all of the great things Greek members do when you look at their resume but I guess that's your choice. But honestly, if I were the applicant, I don't think that I'd want to work with someone shallow enough to stereotype me before even meeting me. It seems a little too judgmental to me, but what do I know?

Danimal 9 years, 7 months ago

So no follow-up on why a KU freshman was so wasted on a Wednesday night that he fell and was injured? No follow-up on who provided the booze? "The male student stood up, fell down and was injured to the point that his fraternity brothers brought him back to their house from the sorority."Not even a cursory investigation into why they took him back to their house instead of just called EMS? I guess we wouldn't want an incident like this to mess up anyone's law or med. school applications so it's best just not to ask any questions.I hope this kid is okay and their failure to immediately get him medical attention doesn't have any lasting consequences.

Jayhawk8808 9 years, 7 months ago

Luckyduck your comments clearly indicate that you are not an active member of the Greek community, nor were you ever. In the last five years I have known many Fijis, never getting the impression that they stay "in their own little world." If you were an active member in the Greek community you would know that they were at Kappa to serenade the girls who are attending Fiji Island. Not only that, you would know that serenades take place at sororities. The Fijis drink at home (only a few yards from Kappa) then walk over and serenade them. Not one drop of alcohol is consumed in Kappa. Secondly, and far more importantly, your comment about the Kappa house is completely unfounded. I have known many girls in every pledge class for the last five years and there are never girls drinking in the house. I have no idea what "and more" means, but since you were wrong about the first part I won't go into how ridiculous that is. This just sounds like a desperate attempt to tarnish the good name of Kappa at KU. They are classy girls who do well in many areas. You need to keep your comments to yourself unless you are willing to back them up with evidence.

dweezil222 9 years, 7 months ago

What the hell ever happened to personal responsibility? I doubt someone was there pouring alcohol into his mouth (well, at least not without his consent.) He made the decision to drink; it was not made for him.I also just want to state for the record, of all the parties I went to in college, by a wide margin the three craziest drug- and booze-fests I ever saw were held by the non-greeks, and any greek party I went to looked like naptime at the daycare by comparison.

VicotriasSecret69 9 years, 7 months ago

You caught me I'm spam emailing on a blog, the Lawrence Journal World blog. You might be the brightest blogger on the Lawrence Journal thread

lemon 9 years, 7 months ago

I'm in a sorority and I would like to say, yes there are stereotypes of what we look like, how we act and what we stand for-- but I don't believe it's fair to judge every single person on those stereotypes. My sorority is dry and we take pride in being responsible. Yes we do go out and party... but what other college student doesn't? How is fair to single out just one "type" of student. And just because people are part of the greek life doesn't mean they get money from their parents. I, as a matter of fact, pay for the sorority completely and help my parents with tuition. And whatever happened to equal employment? Doesn't seem fair that you don't give people a chance just because they happened to be in a sorority of fraternity. The whole reason I joined was to give back to the community, be involved in large-scale commuity service efforts, have leadership roles with community service and be involved with philantropic activities too. Not everyone is there to booze and hook up. Some of us have other goals in life and it's not fair to typecast all greeks.

VicotriasSecret69 9 years, 7 months ago

You say fiji as if its a safe haven for underage drinking. Are you telling me their is no underage drinking occuring in dorms? Come on buddy lets be honest, there is 10x more underage drinking in the dorms freshman year than compared to fraternities. And fraternities institute study hours for incoming freshman in order to help them succeed at KU. Where are those restraints in the dorms?

Sigmund 9 years, 7 months ago

castarke25 (Anonymous) says: "Well atleast all the hot women at KU live in the sororities!!!"Not all, but they have their fair share, no question. castarke25 (Anonymous) says: "Look at capitol hill, there are a bunch of Congressmen and women that were involved in the greeksystem."The approval rating of Congress is less than for the President. I am not sure that is your strongest argument.castarke25 (Anonymous) says:"And one last thing if you dont hire someone because their resume says they were a member of the greek system in which they probably held a position within the house, wouldn't that be considered discrimination? I think so or am i wrong?"You are correct it is discrimination, but not all discrimination is illegal (see above).castarke25 (Anonymous) says: "One last thing, I am Sorry to everyone who made bitter comments about the greek system, cause obviously you are upset you didnt join a house."I am not bitter nor upset nor GDI. KU is known as much as a "party school" as for its basketball and football, and the greeks do more than their share in maintaining that reputation. As long as you keep it at your own house and keep the damages and injury to your own, no one cares. Bring it into the rest of the community and people get pissed off.

castarke25 9 years, 7 months ago

Here are some more facts about the Greek Community!!!!All Sorority Women GPA 3.15All Fraternity Men GPA 2.96All Greek GPA 3.07All University Women 3.01All University Men 2.81All University Student 2.91

historicalyspeaking 9 years, 7 months ago

As a former member of the greek system at a different university, I find all the stereotypes and negative comments towards fraternities and sororities to be not only insulting but completely ridiculous. It seems as though the primary number of people commenting and posting on this story have no grounds of experience what so ever in the greek community. After reading this article it seems as though it was a freak accident of sorts, and that it was handled the right way with the utmost of importance. It seems as though this story is just a way for people to spout off their knowledge of fraternities and sororities that they got while watching the show Greek, or from a movie such as Old School.

Luckyduck 9 years, 7 months ago

I work 40+ hours a week and take 18 hours. I think you will find lots of Greeks in the big brother/sister program. I help out during basketball season with parks and recs. And test files...they are usually so old that its a waste of time. Antoher myth. I have mixed feelings about Rock Chalk. I have seen the amount spent to out is on skyrocket and wonder if it is worth what is raised, but hell it's tradition on this campus like basketball, etc.

VicotriasSecret69 9 years, 7 months ago

Jack you seem not to enjoy women do you spend your entire time at the replay lounge when your life is completely endowed into meaningless blogs about some kid that chipped his tooth.

RedwoodCoast 9 years, 7 months ago

The Greek system is at the heart of Palin's so-called 'Good Ol' Boy Network.' It is where it all begins. The Greek establishment is one of the biggest affronts to any sense of meritocracy that we have in this country.

TtownKUlivin 9 years, 7 months ago

Unfortunately, I am up for work right now. I graduated from KU and was not part of any Greek society, although I lived with a few guys my junior and senior year who happened to be in a Fraternity. It wasn't the right place for me, but to have pre-conceived notions about fraternities is idiotic and only contributes to your lack of intelligence. Some are there only to party and enjoy college life, but most are around to earn good grades and get a head in life. Whether it be through their parents money or wages they have earned on there own. Both instances require a substantial amount of effort to accomplish. You know, a large percentage of students outside of fraternities party, it is college. So quit being naive and stop pointing the finger at certain people.

Sigmund 9 years, 7 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says:"Well don't forget to maintain a clean image for the big wigs they also rent houses all over town to party in so their pure image is preserved."And don't forget the apartment complexes as well. A few years ago a frat took over 5 or 6 apartments in a building I where I lived. Their house was being renovated so the frat rented apartments all over town and the complex thought at least the frats rent checks would be on time and wouldn't bounce (wrong on both counts). After hundreds of complaints of late night parties that spilled out into the halls half of them got evicted. The frat eventually had to pay both the damages and the remaining terms of the leases. Anyway one genius and "future leader" decided to return late one night in his tricked out truck. Drunk and with horns blaring and lights flashing he decided to push over a privacy fence. Based upon the debris he destroyed his bumper, grill, and radiator. The wooden fence, its' post set firmly in concrete below the frost line, was fine except for a few scrapes of red paint.

Sigmund 9 years, 7 months ago

Defender (Anonymous) says: "You might wanna check with a labor law expert on that one."OK, I did. * Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin; the Equal Pay Act of 1963 (EPA), which protects men and women who perform substantially equal work in the same establishment from sex-based wage discrimination; the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA), which protects individuals who are 40 years of age or older; Title I and Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA), which prohibit employment discrimination against qualified individuals with disabilities in the private sector, and in state and local governments; Sections 501 and 505 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, which prohibit discrimination against qualified individuals with disabilities who work in the federal government; and* the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which, among other things, provides monetary damages in cases of intentional employment discrimination. I guess you can, unless you are claiming mentally disabled status. BTW, what are the odds that a frat is going to have anything but white middle/upper-middle class straight 18-21 year old guys who were raised in a Christian church? Want to bet on whether you can refuse to rent to members of frats or sororities?

castarke25 9 years, 7 months ago

Well atleast all the hot women at KU live in the sororities!!! But anyways this isn't a argument about whether Fraternities or Sororities are the cause of most binge drinking at KU. It is a problem at every University, whether its a student in a dorm, scholarship hall, or in a house off campus and yes im sure There is alcohol in the dorms too and I wouldn't be surprised if there is alcohol in the Scholarship Halls as well. Yes this is a headline because it did happen within the Greeks System, and it draws readers because majority of News whether good or bad comes from the Greek System. I never hear of anything good coming from The dorms or Scholarship Halls, I dont hear them donating money or donating blood at one of the largest blood drives in the state etc. Do you want me to go on. OK I will!!! Another thing, every Chapter at the University of Kansas does have Philanthropies which in the end do take all their proceeds and donate them to Foundations such as the Boys and Girls Club, Cancer Research, Habitat for Humanity etc. it goes on and on. So I and every other Greek member, alumnus, and parent of a son or daughter that is in the greek system dont want to hear about fraternities and sororities partying and whatever other things you can think of. We do just as well in school as anyone else, Check the records. Oh and another thing being a member of a Greek house actually does benefit each and every student once they graduate (on time just like everyone else). Look at capitol hill, there are a bunch of Congressmen and women that were involved in the greeksystem. And one last thing if you dont hire someone because their resume says they were a member of the greek system in which they probably held a position within the house, wouldn't that be considered discrimination? I think so or am i wrong? One last thing, I am Sorry to everyone who made bitter comments about the greek system, cause obviously you are upset you didnt join a house.

johnrigginsmohawk 9 years, 7 months ago

beobachter- i understand that they might not be good enough to work at your business, but i hope they are good enough to provide you medical care considering off the top of my head i counted just under a dozen members of my fraternity currently at KUMed. hard work isn't to be damned there and they don't care how much you "party or smooze." Seems like a little bit of a lazy generalization.

historicalyspeaking 9 years, 7 months ago

Jack you seem to be very bent out of shape about the higher academic standards greeks put upon themselves. Could this possibly be linked to a lacking work ethic of ones own self. You mention test files as though they are the only keys to success at college. Not only are the tests changed ever year, but to succeed in college you must attend class and be extremely studious. As far as mommy and daddy are concerned, luckyduck put it right on the dot, most members of society who have attained wealth would much rather avoid fraternities and sororities then to join them, because of the cramped living conditions and the number of people living in their house.

Sigmund 9 years, 7 months ago

Defender (Anonymous) says: "Sorry, Jack and Sigmund, but I am 41, and never been a Greek. Your ignorance is showing again. If you guys are both so damned smart, how about this: Prove Your Point. Can't do it? Then I call BS."I have no need to prove any "point" to you or anyone else. There are lots of things I can't "prove," like I'm drinking coffee and laughing at you and your juvenile posts, doesn't mean it isn't true.Defender (Anonymous) says: "See, my years of life experience allow me to do this. I see through dishonest people, and both of you guys/gals are liars. The evidence is against you kids, so grow up, grow a pair, and stop lying."If you are 41 it only proves there is a difference between age and maturity, prove you are really 41. The only point that I care to "prove" is that you have no idea about the law and you did that for me.

Linda Aikins 9 years, 7 months ago

Wow - this stirred a debate! Sorry I missed it. But I just have one comment:Vickie - please if you are honoring one of the best retail establishments to ever hit the female body, fix the spelling on your name.It is Victoria!!Thank you.

Luckyduck 9 years, 7 months ago

Oh contrar "historicaly". I am in a Greek house and know exactly what I am talking about. After talking to some guys that were there it was not really a freak accident like you think. Just typical fun the way the Kappa's like it---on the rocks. You knew it was a guy that wold get hurt cause those gals can drink most of us under the table!And hey, do non-Greeks realize that our GPA's are higher than the average of all other students on campus? Do you know that we raise a lot of money for charities and support the community through volunteriism. Yeah, we party but non-Greeks do too, you just never hear about it. So beobachter I think yoiu are missing out on a lot of smart enployees, but hey, it is your business.

compmd 9 years, 7 months ago

Sigh.Ignorance astounds me. Those who imagine scenes from "Animal House" when they think of the word "fraternity" are out in full force tonight.I'm curious how many of you would speak ill of the system if you had some names you could slander. Let's start with a local legend, Mr. Alan Mulally, a Kappa Sigma brother. Or how about our senators? Senator Brownback is an Alpha Gamma Rho brother, and Senator Roberts is a Pi Kappa Alpha brother. Would you say the things you say here to their faces? You make your statements with such conviction that surely you wouldn't be so cowardly as to reconsider them when in their presence.Many years ago, my pledge class GPA was a 3.41, and we were taking classes harder than most other "frat guys" would ever take in their lives. I'm looking at my pledge class photo, and one guy has a PhD now, another has an MS, another has an MA, another I've lost track of, but was a consultant to a large oil company, another is one of the most talented engineers I will ever know, another is going back to school for his MS, another is one of the most skilled programmers and graphic artists I've ever met. And then there's me. You know enough about me. All that, and we still knew how to throw legendary parties that hundreds of non-Greeks would come to.Think before pontificating about how terrible the Greek system is. Open your eyes to all its members have done. Its not a difficult thing to do.

lime 9 years, 7 months ago

I just think that if you want to be seen as an individual you should realize that you're going to be GROUPED with all the people out there who want to be seen as an individual. So therefore you are still going to be grouped no matter what. And I am 99% confident that I'm in one of those houses that you are "speaking to"... So maybe you judged wrong. You are completely entitled to your opinion; next time it may just be better if you were a little more informed about the issue.

Jonathan Kealing 9 years, 7 months ago

Danimal-The incident happened two hours ago. I can assure you, those are all questions that will be asked.Jonathan KealingOnline editor

Luckyduck 9 years, 7 months ago

I'm not gonna say anything about Fiji except that they are not seen much so surprised they were at Kappa. They tend to stay to themselves these days. Never hear about them doing anything on campus - in their own little world.

Luckyduck 9 years, 7 months ago

I'll bet that "lemon" you are a chi O---am I right? You sound like your head is on straight. A chi o broke my heart once, but damn she was a class act.

Sigmund 9 years, 7 months ago

Defender (Anonymous) says: "And exactly how many times do you hear of them being reported for doing the right thing? Sorry Sigmund, but I call BS on this statement."I hear a few good things, but my experience is not unique and you can feel free to call anything you want. Defender (Anonymous) says: "The rest of your post is YOUR story. Without proof, and based on your earlier bogus assessments, I call BS again."Feel free to call your house mother for all I care, it is a free country. Repeat it often enough and you might even convince yourself.Defender (Anonymous) says: "You made up most of that crap, period. It's ugly being the angry old man on the courthouse bench, isn't it?"Nope and I don't really have the time nor energy to make up stories or argue about it. I am not angry, old, nor spend much time at the courthouse these days. I was however in the running for ugliest man on campus (full disclosure, not at KU).Defender (Anonymous) says: "Maybe you should reread beobatchers post that I responded to, it has nothing to do with renting anything, period."After dismissing your misunderstanding of labor law I was wondering if you were equally misinformed on landlord/tenant law, nothing more.Defender (Anonymous) says: "Have you been to one of the Greek parties that you so despise? Sober up, duuuuuude."Yep and quite sober..... dOOOOd! All the incidents I reported happened right here in Lawrence, KS, all within three months, all at one complex and in the building I lived. But I did hear similar stories from apartment management all over Lawrence.

historicalyspeaking 9 years, 7 months ago

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dweezil222 9 years, 7 months ago

Here's a guess. They didn't think he was hurt (and he obviously wasn't really, if all he did was chip a tooth) so they just took him home. Then some pre-med frat brother gets worried that he has a concussion, thus the ambulance.

Luckyduck 9 years, 7 months ago

Lots of those living off mommy and daddy live in swanky townhouses or condos in town and don't fo Greek. They couldn't stand the cramped old frat house rooms and bad plumbing. I am paying my own way and I'm not alone. The money thing is just another stereotype

VicotriasSecret69 9 years, 7 months ago

I can think of an incident 2 years ago when a good from Elsworth brought his high girlfriend up from KC, they got wasted in the dorms and the guy thought he was alright to drive home and killed his girlfriend and a single mother of 2 on I70. The incident your speaking of happened over 10 years ago

Lesta 9 years, 7 months ago

Long live the ZOO in Oliver Hall...

VicotriasSecret69 9 years, 7 months ago

And i highly doubt you know a thing about Fiji. So how do you think you know this

castarke25 9 years, 7 months ago

Here are some percentages to prove my point,30% of all Fortune 500 executives are Greek 30% of U.S. Congress men and women are members of Greek organizations 42% of U.S. Senators are members of Greek organizations 48% of U.S. Presidents have been Greek Enough Said, thank you

RedwoodCoast 9 years, 7 months ago

Uhhh, it was my college experience that maybe the sorority girls would be alright.... except for the meathead frat guys in whom they're interested. OK, so I have some animosity. I just get annoyed at red-faced frat guys acting like drunk 5-year-olds. OK, so I have some animosity. I'm not saying that ALL Greek students are like this, but hey, that stereotype didn't just get cooked up in one day. My dad tells stories of the frat guys at K-State back in the early 70's with pretty much the same disdain.So if you're a Greek person, look a little farther than your (or your parents') bank account. The best things in life are not things.OK, now I've probably made some enemies. I obviously have some animosity.

Sigmund 9 years, 7 months ago

historicalyspeaking (Anonymous) says: "As a former member of the greek system at a different university, I find all the stereotypes and negative comments towards fraternities and sororities to be not only insulting but completely ridiculous."Oh get real. How many articles do we see every year from KU and Universities all over the country of hazing, under aged drinking, and sexual assaults? Seriously, Lawrence's biggest "gang" problem comes from upon the hill. historicalyspeaking (Anonymous) says: "It seems as though the primary number of people commenting and posting on this story have no grounds of experience what so ever in the greek community."Besides the incident I described above during the couple of months I lived next to these morons I found their "little sisters" passed out in a pools of their own vomit in the hall outside their apartments, not once but two different times; fights and hall hockey at three in the morning, one aggressive body check pulled the door frame from an exterior wall; urine soaked carpets in the hallway and mailboxes pulled from the wall; so many LPD cruisers that I lost count. Keep in mind all of this was within a two or three month period and it stopped when half of them were evicted. When I threatened the complex with legal action for breach of their lease I was given two months of free rent. BTW lemon, when you call 911 at 3:30am with a report of lifeless girl lying face down in a pool of their own vomit in the hall you will be asked, "Is she breathing?" When you answer you aren't sure they tell you, "She will probably be fine, we're really busy, call back if she is still there in the morning." Seriously, these "brothers" were disgusting pieces of crap.

coltrane 9 years, 7 months ago

i support GREEK at KU's comments above ---as a Delta Chi initiate dropout / i am vaguely familiar with the topic

Luckyduck 9 years, 7 months ago

A guy down the hall just said he heard it was the Kappas "philanthropic" function. Drinking for dollars?

Luckyduck 9 years, 7 months ago

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dumas 9 years, 7 months ago

You all are clearly retarded for each other.

beagledog 9 years, 7 months ago

What was a freshman doing drinking? Was he or wasn't he. I would like to see the results of his b.a.c test. If he was drinking, kick him out of KU for at least a year, and punish the fraternity and sorority for allowing an underage member to consume alcohol. It wouldn't surprise me if the kids parents sue the greek houses involved, not to mention KU in general.

bombshell 9 years, 7 months ago

Crossfire (Anonymous) says: 30% of all Fortune 500 executives are Greek30% of U.S. Congress men and women are members of Greek organizations42% of U.S. Senators are members of Greek organizations48% of U.S. Presidents have been Greek:and they all bent over and shouted,"Thank You Sir! May I Have Another?"hahaha, hilarious.By the way I think its funny that these percentages are thrown in there anyway, because looking at it the other way it shows that:70% of all Fortune 500 executives are NOT Greek70% of U.S. Congress men and women are NOT members of Greek organizations58% of U.S. Senators are NOT members of Greek organizations52% of U.S. Presidents have NOT been Greek.... so wheres the majority? Looks like its NOT greek. And whoever said that all the hot girls are Greek - thats upsurd but that's because I think my friends of GDIs are damn beautiful. Look, I think its dumb to have this conversation anyway. You either want to be in the Greek system or you don't. I tried it for a semester and it didn't work for me - too many girls being caddy and I wanted my own place and to be able to do my own thing. I paid my way through school, graduated with over a 3.6 in accounting and have a great job and met my best friends doing the things I love to do while I lived in Lawrence - namely being around the thriving music and arts scene that Lawrence is known for. If you like the sorority and frat scene and going to the Hawk all the time, then go for it but the sororities are dry so the blame can't be put on Kappa... the frats are a complete other story. I think the greek system works well for people who want to be in it - I decided against it very early and for me personally, can't imagine having stayed any longer than I did and I never lived in. But I like the independence of not being in the Greek system and meeting friends by doing things I like to do and not just because they happen to be in the same house/system as you. But hey, to each his/her own.

Richard Heckler 9 years, 7 months ago

Do these college people not know it is best NOT to move a body after serious falls? These folks need to receive some information considering their activities.Call 911 and allow the emergency responders to decide!!!

pity2bu 9 years, 7 months ago

Fratboy06, Thats why you are trying to get a secondary education as we can see you lost out on the primary education. Lets just say, Beer- caused a loss of brain cells, Banging hot chicks-No just banging loose disease ridden chicks of KU, doing it for Old Blue KU. Boobs- well you see them hanging on the front of females and what the boys of KU act like all the time. So tell us something that we don't know!

Paul Geisler 9 years, 7 months ago

I shudder to think of anyone having to work for beobachter!!! If I knew which business they own I would avoid it like the plague! And what an extreme generalization to make! Apparently Beobachter doesn't realize how many very accomplished and gifted individuals in the business world belonged to a frat or sorority while they were in college!I never belonged to a Frat when I was attending KU (and had ZERO interest) but I did date a number of women from KU sororities, and ended up marrying one. That said, despite beoba-----'s gross exaggeration there are lots of good things that are accomplished by frats and sororities, especially given all of the charitable work that they do in our community. Not to mention they do set academic standards (minimum GPA) for their members and encourage/require a certain number of study hours (of course this varies some from house to house). After all, if you flunk out of college you can't exactly belong to a frat/sorority! Until most Americans face up to the realities of alcohol in our society and start teaching responsibility instead of "pre-21 prohibition" there will ALWAYS be underage drinking on and off campus! In contrast, my parents followed their 3rd generation German-American traditions and allowed me to have beer at a much younger age than most of my friends, but it was always closely supervised and done in moderation. My dad used to talk about when he was in high school in Alma, KS in the early fifties how he and a bunch of his buddies would all chip in a dollar each to buy a 16 gallon keg, and he graduated from high school at the age of 16! But as an adult I never once saw my father drunk although there was usually beer in the fridge, and occasionally some wine, (but never any liquor). And in our neighborhood most of our neighbors would regularly gather on someone's driveway on warm summer nights and drink beer and visit with one another while the kids played in the yards. So why can't we be honest and show young people that alcohol can be enjoyed in moderation like that? Oh yeah, we're in Kansas where Prohibition was KING!In contrast, I like to joke about how Anheuser-Busch helped write the liquor laws in Missouri! For example, in Columbia when you purchase a six-pack of beer in a liquor store you can ask the clerk for a bottle opener and start drinking a beer before you even leave the store!!! And when you leave the liquor store you can walk up and down main street drinking your beer without any hassle! Try that in Lawrence the next time you buy some beer and see what happens! We're so uptight here some people are worried about bars letting patrons drink alcohol on their sidewalk patios!!! OMG! Say it ain't so! public!?!?! This despite the fact that patrons of Free State Brewing have been drinking beer on Free State's front porch for many years without any issues!!!

whatatown 9 years, 7 months ago

"Come on buddy lets be honest, there is 10x more underage drinking in the dorms freshman year than compared to fraternities"That's because freshman greek members still have to live in the dorm their freshman year- they don't move directly into the houses after rush. While Greek life does provide many benefits- mandatory study hours, community service, and a base of support, and it is not necessarily the breeding ground for drinking everyone thinks it is- (I think college in itself fills that role.)there are some definate drawbacks. The activities within the houses are both so numerous and time consuming that it makes it very difficult to meet non-greek friends and maintain those relationships. There is also the problem of students that rush houses and later realize that it was not such a great decision for them. (As is my case- I quit my house after 1 year) And then those 'great friends' and 'sisters for life', well, I talk to maybe 2 of them today. There is the issue of cost. Simply put, not everyone can afford to pay the bills and the extra expenses that go along with 'sisterhood' or 'brotherhood'. For each event that comes up there are t-shirts to buy, 'Mother-daughter' or 'big sis/lil sis' gifts to buy, activity fees, rent fees, the fees just to be 'in the club' and the list really goes on and on. Not only that, but let's be honest. Rush is all about appearance. Sorry big-nosed thick glasses girl with a bad haircut and non-designer clothes, you are probably not going to be picked.

1029 9 years, 7 months ago

a) This is hilarious. From 'Lemon': "And just because people are part of the greek life doesn't mean they get money from their parents. I, as a matter of fact, pay for the sorority completely and help my parents with tuition."How? At some point you were given some money from somebody. It is impossible to pay for the costs of a sorority, costs of everyday living, car and insurance, etc. even if you worked some full-time low-wage job throughout high school. You indicate that your parents are paying your tuition, so you are obviously from a pretty well-off family. And you are helping them with your tuition? Give me a break.b) From 'castarke25': "Here are some more facts about the Greek Community!!!!All Sorority Women GPA 3.15All Fraternity Men GPA 2.96All Greek GPA 3.07All University Women 3.01All University Men 2.81All University Student 2.91"You'd better be getting that high of a GPA if you don't have to also work a full-time job and if you have access to class notes from past semesters. Man, greek kids, you may not all be dumb, but most of you sure are ignorant.

Fatty_McButterpants 9 years, 7 months ago

BeoBachter: So you mean to tell me that you disqualify applicants based on their affiliations? Hmm...sounds just a tad illegal to me!

Jaylee 9 years, 7 months ago

"How is fair to single out just one "type" of student." -lemonLemon, just how fair do you think it is that most people in frats and sororities will go on to have jobs or opportunities for which they were chosen based, no matter what frequency, on their greek symbols on their resume?i know people in frats/sororities who are intelligent, goal-oriented, and take their school and life seriously, but this specific stereotype is in place because it is true. most greeks will be successful with minimal work, in comparison, and are just floating like all the other unsuccessful people, only others dont have lists of opportunity served on a series pf platters. the biggest complaint i hear from greeks is that they have to attend some function (which usually is a party, however formal/informal) instead of going out where they had wanted to. boo hoo.seriously though lemon, anyone supporting their parents while attending KU is a beeeeeeeast!!!

kmat 9 years, 7 months ago

I'm just glad to see that others had the same thought I had - FRAT BOYS ON ACID!!!!!! Still a few around town from my generation at KU. On occassion, I still have to yell it when passing the frat boys on Tenn. Ah, the good old days!

FRATBOY06 9 years, 7 months ago

I bet your "company" sucks anyway and you make almost no money, maybe you own a used car lot or something. I dont feel like explaining it to you, you figure it out since you are so smart that you own your own "company"

LTownBaby 9 years, 7 months ago

BeoBachter, where do you work and what business do you supposedly own? Let's see if you have the balls to tell everyone. If that business is in Lawrence, and you didn't have greek customers, then you would probably go out of business. I don't just mean greek students, but any of your customers that were ever greek in their life. What an idiot!

billbodiggens 9 years, 7 months ago

I may be a little or a lot late on this, but to Luckyduck... I dream of hiring a whole bunch of smart drunk guys.. I am certain to make millions out of that...... keep on drinking and spreading the joy, the captains of industry are waiting for you. that's what I say.......... Could not find a finer indorsement for the Greek system.... ho ho.......

4thgencowgirl 9 years, 7 months ago

I hope this young man makes a good recovery. A chipped tooth is not to be taken lightly either. I know. I pray now he will know to study and forget the partying and know what his purpose of being in school is for.

Deja Coffin 9 years, 7 months ago

My personal experience with frats is that in high school it was very easy to not only go to numerous frat parties but drink. Especially on game nights. While not proud of it today, I felt cool that I was friends with frat boys and able to bring other high school girls to parties. Obviously I've learned my lesson but everyone wants to throw out the 'personal experience' card so there's mine.

geniusmannumber1 9 years, 7 months ago

I am sick and tired of the misuse of the word "blog." This is not a blog. You are not commenting on a blog right now, nor are you or anyone else "blogging." Get it straight, people.

sarahsmilehawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Sounds like a serenade. Sororities are not allowed to have alcohol on their properties at all. My guess: they got their pledges drunk before the serenade and someone had too much.Whoever provided the alcohol was wrong to do so, but it was the freshman's choice to drink. This is not as newsworthy as the Journal World thinks it is.

sarahsmilehawk 9 years, 7 months ago

I haven't read every single comment on here, but let me add this. Being part of a sorority is the most rewarding experience I've had in my life so far. I've met so many great people through Greek life, including my best friends. I tutor junior high students and volunteer all over town and I worked just as hard as anyone for my 3.7 gpa. I've learned how to manage my time and taken on leadership roles. We work really hard to run a clean program and I feel really fortunate that I get to be part of it.If you think we're just in it for the parties, you don't know what you're talking about. Greek Life isn't for everyone, but I have little respect for someone who declares us troublemakers without any understanding.

Fatty_McButterpants 9 years, 7 months ago

People crack me up. Those folks that assert that Greeks "pay for their friends" seem to forget that they too "paid for their friends." They paid for them the same way that Greeks do - through paying for a dorm room, an apartment, etc. Just because one joins a fraternity or sorority, it does not mean that they are friends with everyone in that house. Another thing I find amusing is the accusation that Greeks just want to party. Hmm...that's interesting. I could have sworn that there are plenty of "non-Greek" bars in town. Bars that are full of people, drunk as Friar Tuck, on most any night of the week. In fact, many of those bars are open on days when the "Greek bars" are closed. Further, not a night goes by that one cannot drive down Tennessee or Kentucky streets without encountering a non-Greek house party! Face it, ALL students like to party; it's just the Greeks that have an article written when one of their members gets injured while drunk.

agtprovocateuse 9 years, 7 months ago

I was in a sorority at Baker, and it actually cost less to live there than to live in the dorms. I also held down both on- and off-campus jobs while in college, and managed to maintain a 4.00 GPA at the same time. I then got a full ride to law school (and continued to work part time), passed the bar, and became an attorney. And no, I didn't "schmooze" my way into a big firm based on my sorority ties; I'm a public defender. Finally, I didn't touch alcohol until I was a junior in college. Almost all college students do their fair share of partying - greek and non-greek alike. In addition to providing social activities, however, my sorority also required us to spend a certain number of hours studying at the sorority house - and we had to get an upper-classman to sign off on those hours, verifying we were actually in the study room working. I know very little about the greek community at KU, but it's simply irresponsible to suggest that all members of fraternities and sororities are wealthy, snobby, lazy alcoholics.

rumor_man 9 years, 7 months ago

Nice comments sarahsmilehawk & reasonable...And to think I always just figured that fraternities and sororities were only for people that had to pay to have friends. :-)

GreekAtKU 9 years, 7 months ago

We can fight about the Greek Community at KU all day long. The fact of the matter is that there are long-standing "traditions" on our campus that not only violate Inter/National Fraternity and Sorority risk management policies but also put members in danger. The answer is not to "kick all these organizations off campus" but to hold them accountable. That requires a collaborative effort between the chapter members, the inter/national headquarters and the university. For far too long organizations have gone unpunished for serious violations. That isn't entirely the university's fault, but someone somewhere has to demand more of these groups. Fraternities and sororities are values-based organizations--so where are the values? We let these things happen and then people get the idea that these are acceptable "traditions."This issue is so much bigger than some fraternity serenading (and for the record, drunken serenading is neither charming nor attractive). I'm Greek, and I'm proud of my affiliation. But I EXPECT more from the Greek community at KU. You should, too.

reasonable 9 years, 7 months ago

I have been a proud sorority member for 15 years. I worked very hard to earn scholarships to pay for tuition, and I had loans to pay the rest. I had a part-time job on campus for my spending money. When I wasn't in class, I was involved in Student Government, various honor societies, and an organization for my major (business). I lived in the sorority house so that I could be on the Executive Council of the sorority to gain leadership skills. I served as both Treasurer and New Member Educator, which were two of the hardest positions in the sorority. Yes, I went to bars and drank, even underage, but I also did my fair share of being a designated driver and looking out for my sisters. There was NO drinking in the sorority house. Most of my sorority sisters paid their own way for school and sorority expenses, with little or no help from mom and dad. Most were excellent students and earned scholarships for their hard work. All of us were involved on campus in other organizations. We raised thousands of dollars every year for charity through events carefully planned and executed by our own members. NONE of these events involved drinking. We also donated our time to local nursing homes, Big Brother/Big Sister, and women's shelters. Since college, I have remained active as a VOLUNTEER for my sorority, both at the chapter level and the national level. I work with current chapter members to ensure they grow up to be responsible, self-sufficient young women who are prepared to enter the world when they graduate. Yes, there are people who do dumb things who happen to be Greek. There are also plenty of non-Greeks who do the same dumb things. Greeks tend to get PR for all the bad things that they do, but never for the good things. That is unfortunate.

classclown 9 years, 7 months ago

You guys missed these two sentences."My father financed nothing for me from the time I turn 18 on." and "Your ignorance, while may help keep you bliss, is making you show your stupidity.".It's like reading Engrish

Deja Coffin 9 years, 7 months ago

I think Fratboy06 isn't exactly helping the Greek side of this article. Sounds like the guys I hung around a few years ago. Sometimes it's not so bad to grow up a little. And I do stress, a little.

kerplunkr 9 years, 7 months ago

I hope the Greek organizations involved take responsibility for what happened to this poor kid. While I've never really favored the "Greek system" I certainly don't think that all of the people that belong to these organizations are bad. It's just that there are few that ruin it for many. I remember working as a deskie in Oliver Hall when a freshman girl was dumped off by her new sorority sisters. They took her out and got her hammered, and then left her to wander in from the street. We had to call an ambulance for this girl so that she could have her stomach pumped. Some support system huh? On the other hand I do know some "Greeks" that were decent, honest people. Also, is there a reason why a lot of the "Greeks" have been posting their GPAs? Wasn't it already established that they tend to have higher-than-average GPAs?

gbantasr 9 years, 7 months ago

Everyone on here that is upset with Fratboy06 is obviously just jealous that he was one of the few chosen ones that was accepted into the Greek system. Anyone that wasn't able to join the ranks of a Fraternity is just a social outcast - no wonder everyone on here is so bitter. Have fun being poor the rest of your lives!

FratHunter 9 years, 7 months ago

It's a widely known and accepted fact that Phi Gamma Delta, aka FIJI, is considered one of the best fraternities on campus at KU. Most of the people on this blog are anti-greek haters. These people don't bother getting to know the fratters; they just base their hatred off of the bias and stereotypes profound in our community. As a Phi-Delt here at KU, I am disappointed at the city of Lawrence. Grow up.

Matt Schwartz 9 years, 7 months ago

frathunter, just as you don't like the stereotypes and generalizations of the greek system projected at you, the same could be said for most of the citizens of lawrence...don't lump me into the same group as some of the ignorant people that are blogging out there....if you're going to be dissapointed in the city of lawrence, try some other topics like the new wal-mart, or the urban sprawl and apartment complexes that are popping up all over

Crossfire 9 years, 7 months ago

30% of all Fortune 500 executives are Greek30% of U.S. Congress men and women are members of Greek organizations42% of U.S. Senators are members of Greek organizations48% of U.S. Presidents have been Greek...and they all bent over and shouted, "Thank You Sir! May I Have Another?"

pusscanthropus 9 years, 7 months ago

"And hey, do non-Greeks realize that our GPA's are higher than the average of all other students on campus? Do you know that we raise a lot of money for charities and support the community through volunteriism. Yeah, we party but non-Greeks do too, you just never hear about it. So beobachter I think yoiu are missing out on a lot of smart enployees, but hey, it is your business."Okay, so Mr High GPA, here goes:GPAs, not "GPA's" (misuse of apostrophe);volunteerism, not "volunteriism";"Yeah, we party but non-Greeks do too, you just never hear about it."--run on sentence.Great education you got there, bud!

bombshell 9 years, 7 months ago

I was non-greek and I love a good party, but I haven't stepped foot in the Hawk since I was 20... by the time I was 21, I felt too old to actually be there.But Fatty is right, us non-greeks like to party, too but my guy friends dont instigate fights while intoxicated nor do they cause destruction to personal property... which are all things i've seen from the frat-tastic squadrons walking down Ohio street when I used to live there. Probably because us "hippies" just like to play music and get down without breaking our friends/neighbors stuff... also i've seen countless screaming matches between drunk people streaming out of the hawk and stopping in front of my house to finish their little cherade before jumping in their cars drunk... sometimes going the wrong way down ohio.... so for that, I'm biased.

devilsrighthandman 9 years, 7 months ago

I would just like to throw something into the debate here. Especially the individual that will not hire greeks based on thier affiliation. I was in the greek system and did not like it at all, however I made some long lasting friends and had some good experiences. I am wondering if this "business owner" does or does not hire blacks because the media reports that they are more likely involved in shootings, or that he will not hire a white male, 25-35 because they are most likely to become serial killers, or will not hire women for whatever reason. You are simply a bigot. We are a society that promotes understanding and acceptance of all kinds of people, regardless of affiliation, race or gender. I too wish to know what your business is so that I can further avoid it.

Lawrence55 9 years, 7 months ago

I think someone needs to get a life and go back to work. JackRipper, you sound like a pretty bitter guy. If you don't like the college atmosphere go move to Baldwin or something you loser. I like all your assumptions though. It looks like you've watched Old School one too many times. Frat kids do like to drink on occasion, but what college kid doesn't?

Alison Roberts 9 years, 7 months ago

Not all fraternities and sororities on the KU campus abuse the alcohol policies. I work with quite a few of them and none of them have had any problems. And to the guy who dis-qualifies prospective employees for being affiliated with a greek organization, what happens if you hire someone who happens to be a member of a fraternity and sorority but did not list it on their resume? Do you fire them if you find out? Go on believing the stereotype that all Greeks are lazy, boozing, free-loaders if you like...but it is simply not true. In my experience with the groups I work with the members are hard-working, good people who are learning leadership skills while going to school and contributing to the community. Do you know how many community service hours the Greeks at KU put in to help Lawrence?

geniusmannumber1 9 years, 7 months ago

Andini, it's the gift that keeps on giving, isn't it?

FRATBOY06 9 years, 7 months ago

Yea, thats what I meant. Your probably a lot more Edumacated than me.

gbantasr 9 years, 7 months ago

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jhawks1234 9 years, 7 months ago

Gbantasr is a fake too...Here goes my two cents on this discussion:Being a former Greek member at KU I'm proud of my choice to have joined a Fraternity. We did a lot for the community, and for our school. We did our fair share of partying (who didn't when they were in school?) and maybe it got us into trouble once or twice. First and foremost we were students at KU with our goals being to graduate and hopefully get a job that we could earn a decent living with. As freshman we were required to attend study hours three hours a night, five nights a week. This was so we got our start in college off on the right foot and to teach us proper study habits. We helped out with the boys and girls club of Lawrence and picked up trash in the parks around Lawrence. Some members volunteered at hospitals and food kitchens. We ran for student government to try and make the University the best it could be. I made a ton of friends in the Greek system and also within the non-Greek community. I get kind of irritated when people make the generalization that Greeks have "mommy and daddy" pay for everything. There are people in Frats and Sororities that are like this but its unfair to group all members of Greek houses in that category. 90% of my pledge class had jobs to pay for their everyday purchases. College is expensive so if mom and dad want to pay or help pay for school why fault the student for agreeing, because as parents shouldn't you want to give your kids the best chance to succeed in life?For the other side of the argument there are members of houses that fit the bill of your typical "frat guy" but these members are not respected by their house. I have run into these stereotypical frat guys and frankly the rest of the Greek community is embarrassed to have them in our system.

KU_Dude 9 years, 7 months ago

at least the way 99.9% of the U.S, population does...

Deja Coffin 9 years, 7 months ago

I can't spell worth a darn so heads up if you all pick on me for spelling I'll just be like, yup, I know.

Clickker 9 years, 7 months ago

I was in a frat in high schoolTappa kegga day I couldnt get into I felta thigh

Deja Coffin 9 years, 7 months ago

Okay seriously, why would you be stupid enough to say, by the way, I own bonnies books, or whatever. That's like asking all of us to give out our addresses so we can all receive flaming bags of dog poo from the one person who disagrees with us. I mean, it makes for a good read but really neither is going to do it so oh well. I like hearing the greek debate from you guys better.

Alison Roberts 9 years, 7 months ago

I work with Phi Delt at KU and they are great guys. They do a lot for the community logging over 2600 hours of community service last year alone.And for those of you bashing Rock Chalk Revue.... do you even know what it is or what the money raised goes to?

dipweed 9 years, 7 months ago

Uuhhh....I'm putting you all on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!

Alison Roberts 9 years, 7 months ago

Ohhh so what? They meet alums that are high up and help them get jobs... thats called networking. And its common knowledge that a lot of times its "who you know" and not what you comes easily to people in greek orgs because they network with alumni all the time, not to mention people in powerful positions throughout the community.

KU_Dude 9 years, 7 months ago

I'm pretty sure that Esq2eB spelled "stationary" wrong too...if that's what word he was attempting anyway. I don't do lawyer speak very well.

Luckyduck 9 years, 7 months ago

WOW! I just got home from goin to class from 8 until noon and then I worked until 5 and go back to work from 7 to midnight-(yeah I am one of those Greeks that has to pay my way).I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS ARTICLE IS STILL GENERATING SO MUCH DISCUSSION...

FRATBOY06 9 years, 7 months ago

I don't know what all the commotion is about. A FIJI kid got drunk on Wednesday and went over to Kappa to try to get laid by some drunk hot girl, he fell and bumped his head and his bros took him home. BIG DEAL, these guys are doing EXACTLY what they should be doing. FRATS are about 3 things that start with the letter B: Girls, Beer, Banging hot chicks. All you DORM FREAKS are just jealous.

gbantasr 9 years, 7 months ago

"beobatcher" is obviously a complete loser and his "job" consists of sitting on Mass street and organizing anti war protests. I'd bet my trust fund that you make less than $50K a pathetic!

Kontum1972 9 years, 7 months ago

who cares....there are american soldiers dying in afganistan an iraq....u waste all this time blogging this fool

geniusmannumber1 9 years, 7 months ago

Why does everyone keep responding to FRATBOY 06? He's obviously a fake, and not a very good one.

jumpin_catfish 9 years, 7 months ago

Ahhh college, the place where young people demand to be treated like adults but don't think they should act like one. People who drink and hurt themselves only get what any fool desires. Oh, KU and its students always get a pass from the authorities and we all know its true.

Deja Coffin 9 years, 7 months ago

somebody is trying to compensate for something!!

KU_Dude 9 years, 7 months ago

A real attorney would know how to spell "quote" Esq2eB....just sayin'

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