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Palin denounces ‘lies’ about family

Obama campaign rejects her claims

September 5, 2008

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— Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin on Thursday blamed supporters of the Democratic presidential ticket for spreading "misinformation and flat-out lies" about her and her family.

But her spokeswoman said Obama's campaign was not responsible, even though a Palin fundraising letter named the Democratic ticket with the words: "the Obama-Biden Democrats have been vicious in their attacks directed toward me, my family and John McCain."

The Obama campaign has raised questions about Palin's qualifications based on her six years as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, and less than two years as governor, but Obama himself has said her family should be off-limits.

He also said he would fire any staffer who talks about it.

Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella said: "We appreciate the fact that he came out and condemned this kind of personal attack."

Asked whether Palin thought Obama or his running mate, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, were responsible for the attacks mentioned in the letter, Comella said, "No."

Asked who was to blame, the spokeswoman said, "You want me to tick through all the stuff that's been ticking through all the blogs the past few days? What about the stuff that was on Daily Kos, that rumor that was spread?"

Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said "the only 'flat-out lie' is this ridiculous claim, and it proves that John McCain has wasted no time in teaching Sarah Palin the ways of the Washington he's inhabited for the last 26 years."

By acclamation, the Republicans nominated Palin as their vice presidential pick Thursday night, an almost anticlimactic step after McCain's surprise selection of her last Friday and her speech Wednesday night.

Palin met with Republican governors Thursday and said that leading a state means you have to make decisions and not just vote "present."

"We are expected to take action and not just vote 'present,"' said Palin, who is in her first term as Alaska's governor. "So there's a big difference, of course, between the executive and legislative branches and our experience."

Comments

beatrice 6 years, 3 months ago

Obama is "stale politics"? Really? My, how soon we get jaded. jaywalker, so she is for earmarks, AND is against them at the same time? Um, okay.Asbestos, the only person I have heard bash a small town at any of the conventions is Sarah Palin herself. Others rightly question whether small town mayoral experience actually qualifies one as ready to step in and lead the nation should the need arise, no doubt. I certainly don't think that since Boog has more executive experience than John McCain that Boog would be a better Pres or vp. You might disagree.However, Palin is the only person who has repeatedly called Ketchikan, Alaska as "Nowhere." Must be that Wasilla is much, much bigger than Ketchikan, so calling it "nowhere" is okay. Nice double standard. I just wonder how the people who live in Ketchikan like hearing their governor speak so poorly about their home. Can you imagine the uproar if Joe Biden called Wasilla "Nowhere"? So why is it okay for Palin and McCain?

coltrane 6 years, 3 months ago

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acoupstick 6 years, 3 months ago

"If Obama's family was scutinized as much as Palin's is, racism would be the battle cry of the kooks."Come on! Criticizing half brothers and sisters by a father he barely is hardly comparable. Besides the criticism of Palin so far has been limited to her own immediate family and the criticisms are in response to her own ideology and history of its influence on her governance.

jhwk2008 6 years, 3 months ago

KURocks (Anonymous) says:"I would much prefer having the mayor of Eudora potentially run our country, than a community organizer. At least the mayor of Eudora has at some point in his/her career had to make decisions."Wasn't Jesus a community organizer? Or Martin Luther King? Or Cesar Chavez? Why do you hate Jesus?

jaywalker 6 years, 3 months ago

fuel for the fire in response to Sycho's blather:"How is this a valid argument? This country is a democracy, not a monarchy, it's not even a constitutional monarchy. My point is, Sarah Palin will never be Queen, nor will she, as Vice President, have the ability to "force" her views on the American people. Furthermore, she has not attempted to impose her views on the people of Alaska. In a democratic society such as this, it takes the support of a congress to make changes. Either you don't understand how this country's form of government works or you enjoy fear mongering."Bingo. Yahtzee. Well said, fuel.

jaywalker 6 years, 3 months ago

bea, While your numbers may be correct, earmarks aren't distributed based on census numbers. They're used (hopefully appropriately) to improve cities and states infrastructure. And if you consider why Alaska and its extreme weather might need extra funds to keep up roads and the like it might make a little more sense. Think of the disrepair the roads and highways fall into around Lawrence due to the wicked winters and hot summers. Geography plays a huge part in the deterioration of public use projects. I imagine in Alaska it's even more rapid.Condemning Palin for use of earmarks is only on point if you find where it was 'wasteful' or an outright abuse. These things aren't 'illegal', folks.

situveux1 6 years, 3 months ago

I like that they put 'lies' in the headline instead of lies.Because they're just not sure if they're 'lies' or just lies.

Bob Forer 6 years, 3 months ago

JhawkGirl wrote: Hey Sychophant, are you going to post this comment after every single article that has Palin's name in it?? Why don't you "go away and leave the rest of us be."_______Absolutey. I feel not only a compulsion, but an obligation as well, to educate misguided souls such as yourself. Very good. Glad that you read more than one article in the LJW, as well as the comments that follows. Now read on. And read often. And please, don't limit yourself to the LJW. The more you read about the issues, the greater the chance you have for enlightenment.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 3 months ago

Did you miss the whole hoop-de-doo about her son actually being her grandson?That was pretty much a pack of lies & despicable rumors.

beatrice 6 years, 3 months ago

I'm quite sure Palin and her backers were equally upset with the lies about Obama being a Muslim that have been going on for almost two years now.

woodenfleaeater 6 years, 3 months ago

Since I haven't seen it posted in awhile, I will put it here for everyone to enjoy for the millionth time....sorry everyoneWho am I?Fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight......War....fight, fight, fight......It does sound like Palin's belief on Abstinence only will work well. It did wonders in her own household!!!!_________TheSychophant (Anonymous) says: I do not condemn Sarah Palin for:1) Becoming pregnant at a late age, and not aborting a known Downs Syndrome fetus. That is her right as an American.2) Continuing her job as Governor, and/or Running for Vice President. Her children appear to have been adequately cared for since infancy. Like many working Americans woman, she has successfully relied upon the help of a spouse, older children, friends, neighbors, other family members, and sitters. Nothing wrong or usual about that.3) Raising her children with a religious philosophy that condemns abortion, anything but abstinence only sex education, an abhorrence to birth control, and a literal interpretation of the Bible. That is her Constitutional Right as an American.4) That her 17 year old child is unmarried, pregnant, and intends to give birth and raise the child. It happens to over a million teenage American girls each and every year, and while not the best of all possible worlds, it is the usual and understandable result of human sexual instinct.However, and because we live in the great Constitutional Democracy known as American, I do condemn her for attempting to force her personal religious beliefs, and her narrowly construed philosophy regarding sex education, birth control, marriage, abortion, et al. upon the rest of us. While personal religious beliefs and family life should be "off limits" in the American political arena, when one specifically chooses those things as a "plank" of a political campaign, and wears them on a sleeve, the proverbial "barn door" has been irreversibly opened, and is subject to fair comment. .Yes, Sarah, like the majority of Americans women, you are the proud mother of a typical, and beautiful family. Everything else about your family is irrelevant, immaterial, and off limits: but nonetheless frightening in that, if you were Queen, all American's would be legally compelled to "Be like Sarah."No thanks. Go away, and leave the rest of us be. We have Constitutional rights, too.

beatrice 6 years, 3 months ago

I wonder how many people have called her a Muslim?

JhawkGirl 6 years, 3 months ago

Hey Sychophant, are you going to post this comment after every single article that has Palin's name in it?? Why don't you "go away and leave the rest of us be."

jaywalker 6 years, 3 months ago

So your response..., oops, my bad, someone else's response you've linked, is an opinion piece? Swell. For the learning impaired, she's not against all earmarks. And since you can't read and comprehend, how's your math? There's an average of $15 billion in earmarks given out annually. So Palin, while governing the largest state in the union with the most resources and the most national parks, sought approx. 1/80th (in '08 the number was more than 16 billion) the total doled out. Huh? Why, that is good info, thanks for bolstering my argument with your link, Maxie. So you were unable to grasp my point and preferred to grasp at straws. Keep it up, you're doing great.

fuel_for_the_fire 6 years, 3 months ago

TheSychophant says: "However, and because we live in the great Constitutional Democracy known as American [sic], I do condemn her for attempting to force her personal religious beliefs, and her narrowly construed philosophy regarding sex education, birth control, marriage, abortion, et al.[sic] upon the rest of us......if you were Queen, all American's [sic] would be legally compelled to "Be like Sarah". "How is this a valid argument? This country is a democracy, not a monarchy, it's not even a constitutional monarchy. My point is, Sarah Palin will never be Queen, nor will she, as Vice President, have the ability to "force" her views on the American people. Furthermore, she has not attempted to impose her views on the people of Alaska. In a democratic society such as this, it takes the support of a congress to make changes. Either you don't understand how this country's form of government works or you enjoy fear mongering.

slang4d 6 years, 3 months ago

"Sarah Palin is a real American woman in a real American family."Forcing ones extreme religious views on others is NOT American. She...-Is anti-choice, even in cases of incest of rape-Is anti-birth control (or I suppose the group "Feminists for Life" is) -Believes in abstinence-only education (because this has worked so well for Bristol)-Does not believe in the existence of global warming-Opposes stem cell research-Believes the war in Iraq is "god's will"If she were a moderate republican, I could probably stomach her, but she's a scary, scary extremist.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 3 months ago

"She did whaaat? Got $1200 for every Alaskan? But:but:but isn't that what BO is promising to everyone with a windfall tax on oil?"NOPE BO is not poromising to give it to Americans, he is only going to give it to those Americans in his voting blocks, and the rest if kept by the Government.Whereas in Alaska EVERYBODY got a check, including the rich and poor, because everybody PAID that tax, so they get the same amount of refund.Fairness is the difference, and "equality for everyone".Obama just wants equality for "liberal dDemocratic Voters", and they are forgetting "small town America".That is what the polls and the Viewer numbers show with Palin VP nomination!!!!

Bob Forer 6 years, 3 months ago

I do not condemn Sarah Palin for: 1) Becoming pregnant at a late age, and not aborting a known Downs Syndrome fetus. That is her right as an American. 2) Continuing her job as Governor, and/or Running for Vice President. Her children appear to have been adequately cared for since infancy. Like many working Americans woman, she has successfully relied upon the help of a spouse, older children, friends, neighbors, other family members, and sitters. Nothing wrong or usual about that. 3) Raising her children with a religious philosophy that condemns abortion, anything but abstinence only sex education, an abhorrence to birth control, and a literal interpretation of the Bible. That is her Constitutional Right as an American. 4) That her 17 year old child is unmarried, pregnant, and intends to give birth and raise the child. It happens to over a million teenage American girls each and every year, and while not the best of all possible worlds, it is the usual and understandable result of human sexual instinct. However, and because we live in the great Constitutional Democracy known as American, I do condemn her for attempting to force her personal religious beliefs, and her narrowly construed philosophy regarding sex education, birth control, marriage, abortion, et al. upon the rest of us. While personal religious beliefs and family life should be "off limits" in the American political arena, when one specifically chooses those things as a "plank" of a political campaign, and wears them on a sleeve, the proverbial "barn door" has been irreversibly opened, and is subject to fair comment. . Yes, Sarah, like the majority of Americans women, you are the proud mother of a typical, and beautiful family. Everything else about your family is irrelevant, immaterial, and off limits... but nonetheless frightening in that, if you were Queen, all American's would be legally compelled to "Be like Sarah." No thanks. Go away, and leave the rest of us be. We have Constitutional rights, too.

Bob Forer 6 years, 3 months ago

One more thought, asbestos. As an ardent Obama supporter, I would not only be intellectually dishonest, but also stupid if I were intent on stiffling Palin's free speech. After all, each and every time she opens her mouth, she betrays herself as being out-of-touch with America values, out-of-touch with the vast majority of American people, and unworthy of national public office. Babble on, Miss Sarah. You're making our case.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 3 months ago

"and it proves that John McCain has wasted no time in teaching Sarah Palin the ways of the Washington he's inhabited for the last 26 years."Sarah Palin made several trips to Washington while mayor of Eudora, I mean Wasilla, seeking earmarks-- and she got $27 million. She's well acquainted with inside-the-beltway politics.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 3 months ago

"I would much prefer having the mayor of Eudora potentially run our country, than a community organizer."Palin once attended first grade. Do you want a first-grader serving as VP or even president?

ASBESTOS 6 years, 3 months ago

"Forcing ones extreme religious views on others is NOT American."You are right, so why don't you just shut up, lmao!It is called "Free Speech" and she has a right to express her opinion, and you have no right to stifle it.Boy the Obama-nuts are in a foaming fever. They have seen the "Messiah" is not invencible, and that theis "vote" is not guaranteed to elect this governmental elementary shoolchild, Obama, to the most powerful position in the world.Additionally, the press has been exposed for the leftwinger extremeists and bloviateing Obama supporters that they are.They need to take off their "press credentials" and just put on "obama Buttons", for they are no longer fooling anyone, and the joke is only on them.Polls show that, the media is biased, and is in the tank for Obama.I think it will lose him this election.

acoupstick 6 years, 3 months ago

"Did you miss the whole hoop-de-doo about her son actually being her grandson?That was pretty much a pack of lies & despicable rumors."Agreed. But is that what she's talking about? Her blanket complaint doesn't do anything to distinguish lie from truth. It just serves to paint her as a victim of the "liberal media." Is it deliberately vague in order to make her a more sympathetic figure?

mom_of_three 6 years, 3 months ago

I also thought the article would have more information as to what "lies" and whatnot she was referring to, but umm, nothing. and the one about her son being her grandson was last week, so wouldn't it be a little late to complain about it?

beatrice 6 years, 3 months ago

jay, you are criticizing others for their reading comprehension and math skills, but lets look at what you presented. While Alaska may have the largest amount of wilderness in the nation as the "largest state," lets look at how earmarks are asked for compared to population. According to your numbers, Alaska received 1.25% of all earmarks. However, their population of 683,478 people compares to the United States' total of 301,139,947.This means, 1.25 % of all earmarks going to Alaska to benefit just .0023% of the population (rounding up on the population). Thus, Palin received slightly more than five times the amount of earmarks per person than the rest of the country. After eight years of fiscal irresponsibility, I'm not quite sure the nation can afford this much "reform."

KURocks 6 years, 3 months ago

Just Another Bozo:I would much prefer having the mayor of Eudora potentially run our country, than a community organizer. At least the mayor of Eudora has at some point in his/her career had to make decisions.

feeble 6 years, 3 months ago

Palin has been touted as link to the blue collar America, the working class and the Sam's Club Shopper.The Palin's combined 2007 income was $218,000. Not, that is not net worth, only income reported in 2007. They own three homes, two of which are recreational. I was unaware that blue collar America is this fortunate.

dagopman 6 years, 3 months ago

Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air in the stale politics of Obama, Biden and McCain.

slang4d 6 years, 3 months ago

"It is called "Free Speech" and she has a right to express her opinion, and you have no right to stifle it." She can say whatever she wants and do whatever she wants with her life, I frankly don't care. She could worship Satan and that would be just dandy, as long as she wouldn't want me and every American to. For that matter, let's hope she wouldn't wage war so she could convert all of the Muslims to Satanism. If it's her right to not believe what the scientists say and speak tongues (or whatever it is pentacosts do), then I think It's my right to have access to birth control and if something horrible happens to me, I want the right to have an abortion too. She, unfortunately, would not agree with that. I have no doubt she would do everything within her power to deny me the personal freedoms this country is known for.

bondmen 6 years, 3 months ago

Sarah Palin is a real American woman in a real American family. Everything she is and everything she stands for is the left's worst nightmare! The left's big media lapdogs can't contain their disdain for Governor Palin as they proclaim their allegiance to Barry Hussein Obama. Folks if you haven't already done so it's time to cancel your subscription to the liberal media newspapers and so called news magazines. They are dying and their great bias shown in this election means they will further wither on the vine they have poisoned.

jhwk2008 6 years, 3 months ago

Did anyone see how unpatriotic McCain is? He wasn't wearing a flag pin.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 3 months ago

Well folks you can rest assured "someone" is watching the media and has shown all the media bias, it can be found here:http://www.newsbusters.org/How did those "protesters" get GOP credentials? MSNBC gave them passes!http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/09/05/blogger-says-mccain-speech-protestors-had-msnbc-badgesYes, and the MS has the "Audacity of delusion" to "fact check" Palin, but did not bother to "fact check" Obama or Biden:http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lyndsi-thomas/2008/09/05/american-morning-fact-checks-palin-not-obama-or-bidenWhy is Obama so concerned with Iraq deaths, but not concerned with the same number of violent deaths in Chicagohttp://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/09/05/will-obama-support-chicago-surge-hometown-death-toll-double-iraqsNo, there is not any "liberal bias" or media in the tank for Obama, and monkeys will fly out of my butt.

lawrencemom 6 years, 3 months ago

It's interesting how entire years of Obama's resume have been wiped away by jumping all the way back to his immediate post college community organizer experience. What about the years as a constitutional law professor? Since when is serving as a senator only counted in the number of days that were actual served "in session". Being a leader is about a combination of things. Experience, yes. But also intelligence, ability to get things done, a mindset that graps the nuances of the world today among other qualities I see in Obama and Biden that I do not see in McCain and Palin.

woodenfleaeater 6 years, 3 months ago

really? fly out of your butt? I want to be there.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 3 months ago

"A week ago, most Americans had never heard of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. Now, following a Vice Presidential acceptance speech viewed live by more than 40 million people, Palin is viewed favorably by 58% of American voters. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 37% hold an unfavorable view of the self-described hockey mom. The figures include 40% with a Very Favorable opinion of Palin and 18% with a Very Unfavorable view (full demographic crosstabs are available for Premium Members). Before her acceptance speech, Palin was viewed favorably by 52%. A week ago, 67% had never heard of her. The new data also shows significant increases in the number who say McCain made the right choice and the number who say Palin is ready to be President. Generally, John McCain's choice of Palin earns slightly better reviews than Barack Obama's choice of Joe Biden. Perhaps most stunning is the fact that Palin's favorable ratings are now a point higher than either man at the top of the Presidential tickets this year. As of Friday morning, Obama and McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters. Biden is viewed favorably by 48%."http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/palin_power_fresh_face_now_more_popular_than_obama_mccain

beawolf 6 years, 3 months ago

As an independent waiting to see who McCain picked as a VP choice before beginning my assessment of the candidates, I was mildly surprised by his choice. I had a feeling it may be a woman because of the Sibelius name dropping and the lack of true VP candidates the Republicans have available. In fact I was very impressed that McCain would make such a bold move. However, her speech lacked substance and could have been delivered by anyone picked off the street. I see an angry person who is grasping at straws to justify her selection. I'll still wait until late October to make a final decision, but my initial impression is that she is way out of her element.

jaywalker 6 years, 3 months ago

"that Palin gained legislative approval for $1,200 cash payments to every Alaskan.In addition, each Alaska resident gets an annual dividend check, about $2,000 this year, from Alaska's oil-wealth savings account"She did whaaat? Got $1200 for every Alaskan? But...but...but isn't that what BO is promising to everyone with a windfall tax on oil? So you're upset she got there first, I see. Hey, Maxine, got a clue what it costs for gas and heating oil up in them thar parts? And the evil Governor found a way to help them out. Nope, don't want that kind of thinking for all Americans, no siree Bob. Leave it be, junior. You picked this fight and then continue to hit yourself. And more opinion piece links to try to prop yourself up? Excellent.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 3 months ago

What're the odds on coltrane still being here for another week?Not too cool, I'd say....

Bob Forer 6 years, 3 months ago

Asbestos wrote: "It is called "Free Speech" and she has a right to express her opinion, and you have no right to stifle it" _________Buddy, you're an absolute idiot. Like all Americans, she has a right to express her reliigous views. But she doesn't have a right to transform her personal religion into the law of the land. And yes, I have no right to stiffle her speech, which is not what I am doing. I am merely excercising my constitiutoinal right to engage in public debate. I also intend to vote for her opponents, also my Constiutional Right. I suggest you either educate yourself on American Constitiutional Democracy, and if you're too lazy or too stupid to do so, then you might consider moving to Iran. Alternatively, you might want to apply for a job with the Taliban.

acoupstick 6 years, 3 months ago

What "misinformation and flat-out lies" is Palin referring to? Perhaps she should address them by presenting the accurate information instead of just complaining.

Phil Minkin 6 years, 3 months ago

According to Bill O'Reily, when Britany Spears sister became pregnant out of wedlock her parents were "pinheads". Now, Sarah is beyond criticism-that's fair and balanced!

jaywalker 6 years, 3 months ago

It's so sad to witness time and again the failings of our system of education. You'd think reading is fundamental, and reasonable comprehenison might be obtained as early as junior high. Apparently not with all of us."Palin the Intrepid Earmark Hater, Part 2Here's Sarah Palin from her speech last night presenting herself as the scourge of federal earmarks: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending : and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."'vetoing wasteful spending''reform to end abuses of earmark spending'She has never said she was against ALL earmarks. She's against waste and abuse involved with earmarks, Max. It's a fairly simple point to grasp, hang on tight. Improving sewer systems, roads, and re-paving a runway -- not wasteful or abuse -- it's prudent and common sense. Particularly when you consider (this takes a modicum of rational thought, Max, so you're excused) the yearly wear and tear on such infrastructure in a state where the ground is frozen 8 months a year. Again, she's never advocated the elimination of ALL earmarks. You have to be able to comprehend the difference here, go slow, don't over-exert yourself.

bugmenot 6 years, 3 months ago

Time to review what "free speech" really means. (I'm still shocked and sad about how undereducated most people are.)Free speech means the GOVERNMENT can't infringe on your right to speak as you see fit. Quit tossing the phrase around as if it means anyone can say anything at any time for any reason because you sound like an idiot.

jhwk2008 6 years, 3 months ago

Here's a great article from ABC:Palin Accuses 'Obama/Biden Democrats' of Attacking Her Family, But Campaign Can't Name OneSeptember 04, 2008 8:05 PM"Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin sent out a fundraising solicitation today that charged that "the Obama/Biden Democrats have been vicious in their attacks directed toward me, my family and John McCain."I asked spokespeople of the McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee just which "Obama/Biden Democrats" they're referring to.The response I got was that Obama spokesman Mark Bubriski erroneously attacked Palin as a supporter of Pat Buchanan.That's it. That's the evidence.An attack on Palin herself.In other words, they can't name one person affiliated with the Obama-Biden campaign who attacked the Palin family."http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/palin-accuses-o.html

BigPrune 6 years, 3 months ago

Obama: Keep up the good work bloggers, I'll just condemn - it's called plausible deniability.

jaywalker 6 years, 3 months ago

"but Obama himself has said her family should be off-limits.He also said he would fire any staffer who talks about it."Class, conviction, and leadership. Like it a lot.And O'Reilly is a jackass. I recommend tuning him out at all times.

BigPrune 6 years, 3 months ago

Obama: Keep up the good work bloggers, I'll just condemn - it's called plausible deniability.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 3 months ago

Rumor has it that son-nephew, Michael, has been tapping the family reservoir for content for decades, now...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXMrn4R6_vk

jaywalker 6 years, 3 months ago

"jaywalker, so she is for earmarks, AND is against them at the same time? Um, okay."Excellent, bea. I know I've written this several times, and I know that you've 'read' what I've wrote, but there's that comprehension stumbling block once again. SHE HAS NEVER SAID SHE' S AGAINST ALL EARMARKSShe's against waste and their abuse. Find some 'abuse' on her end and we can talk. How absolutely mind-numbingly ignorant do you have to be to believe she's so dumb to say she's against them, yet utilizes them? "Yeah, I can say I'm not for them, noone will ever discover that I lobbied for federal assistance." It'd be like you saying you're not for Obama when everyone and their brother can pull up an old post where you ended it with Obama '08!I swear, the learning impaired are alive and well.

coltrane 6 years, 3 months ago

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