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Anti-abortion groups parade graphic images in ‘free speech zone’ at KU

An anti-abortion group brought its message to the KU campus on Wednesday.

September 3, 2008

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Kansas University passers-by catch a glimpse of billboard-size pro-life signs Wednesday in front of Strong Hall. The signs showed graphic results of abortions. Several Catholic and pro-life groups, including KU Students for Life, held the demonstration. The demonstration will continue Thursday.

Kansas University passers-by catch a glimpse of billboard-size pro-life signs Wednesday in front of Strong Hall. The signs showed graphic results of abortions. Several Catholic and pro-life groups, including KU Students for Life, held the demonstration. The demonstration will continue Thursday.

Tammy Cook wants students to know what effect abortion has on society.

And Cook, director of field operations for the Wichita-based anti-abortion group Justice for All, has visual aids.

"We brought an outdoor exhibit to help people more fully understand what abortion is," she said. "Most people in this country are having a disconnect about what abortion is and what it really means."

Students milled around large panels Wednesday on the front lawn of Strong Hall at Kansas University. On the front were large, graphic photos of aborted fetuses at different stages of development.

Justice for All, KU Students for Life, the Benedictine College Ministry Office, Benedictine's Ravens Respect Life and several national anti-abortion groups presented what they called a "free speech zone" in front of the panels.

Several large boards, soggy from the rain, had messages supporting both sides scrawled across them. Nearby, a small group of student protesters held signs speaking out against the anti-abortion activists and the images they presented.

Cook said the goal of the exhibit was to encourage an open and civil discussion between two very different sides of a volatile issue.

However, not everyone was pleased with the use of graphic images to start the discussion.

Elise Higgins, president of the Commission on the Status of Women, said her group thought the way the discussion was framed was inappropriate.

"We believe the images that this group presents are graphic and disturbing," she said. "We believe that they're unfair to women who have had abortions."

Higgins said her group thought it was important for the other side of the issue to be heard.

Both Higgins and Cook said the interaction between the two groups had remained civil.

"We've had some great dialogue with the people out here," Higgins said. "They've been very respectful."

The exhibit will be up again from 9:30 a.m. to 3:15 p.m. Thursday.

Comments

bondmen 6 years, 5 months ago

How might the German people have behaved differently during Hitler's reign of terror had they seen pictures of the death camps and their unfortunate victims? Would it not have been more difficult to pretend it was not happening had large graphic signs been available of the showers, ovens and bodies piled like cord wood?

Bob Forer 6 years, 5 months ago

Great idea, wingnuts. Let's carry the debate farther. Lets show videos and pictures from Iraq of soldiers and civiliians, and women and children being blown apart , , as well as the grisly images of their dsmembered and shattered corpses. Now, that would be a great anti-war pitch.

Kam_Fong_as_Chin_Ho 6 years, 5 months ago

I don't like seeing Peta protesters distributing pictures of animals being tortured but, hey, freedom of speech is freedom of speech.

SettingTheRecordStraight 6 years, 5 months ago

Yes, abortion doctors should go to jail. If I favored the death penalty, which I don't, I would ask that they be executed first. Women (and men) who choose abortion have been failed by society and lied to by the abortion industry and its miserable, stinking allies. agnostick, you're in rare form today. Any shred of credibility you ever earned by pretending to be a reasonable centrist flies out the window when you resort to your typical, liberal elitist demagoguery. Your loathesome condescension makes you anything but a man of the people. How do you look in the mirror?Gotta go to a meeting. To all my pro-life sisters and brothers: Peace begins in the womb!

situveux1 6 years, 5 months ago

"We believe the images that this group presents are graphic and disturbing"Yea, that's what abortion is genius. Tell me why showing what abortion is is unfair?

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 5 months ago

davidnta: "I would say let the families decides whether or not it's right. It's a woman's choice to choose to be pro-life or pro-choice. If she's pro-life, that's her choice, good for her and her family, but DO NOT tell me what to do in my family."I don't think the issue is so much what you do in your family... it's what is to become of that individual whom you would exclude from your family and, indeed, from the family of man.

storm 6 years, 5 months ago

Both sides shouldn't be offended, an aborted fetus will be reincarnated into some other creature.

ReadingSports 6 years, 5 months ago

"Many children are alive today because their mothers saw an ugly, brutal, graphic picture of an aborted baby."True, and this is changing the debate:http://www.prolifeamerica.com/4D-Ultrasound-pictures/Science is on the side of the baby!

Bubarubu 6 years, 5 months ago

"The woman is a victim"This view of abortion, where a woman who has made the decision to undergo a medical procedure, is the most patronizing, patriarchal nonsense.The centrist position on abortion is "safe, legal, and rare." The minute any of the twits in front of Strong today works on reducing the number of teen pregnancies through comprehensive sex ed, they will start to have a glimmer of credibility on reproductive issues. Instead, they seek to shock, disgust, bully, and shame.

Hawk6643 6 years, 5 months ago

Jcjayhawk1, Just because something has DNA doesn't mean it is a "human being." Your hair has DNA even after it has detached from your scalp and fallen to the ground, it is not considered living or has DNA.I don't consider a fetus to be alive until it can fully survive outside the mother's womb. I just think these people could have presented their ideas in a educated way, instead of using graphic images which in the end will probably do no good.

Navin_R_Johnson 6 years, 5 months ago

agnostic:"I don't speak for "centrists," or any other political party. I only speak for myself."since when? didn't you used to evangelize with hyperlinks for US Centrists or centrists.org or some such organization propagating an unachievable philosophy?oh, and in speaking for "yourself," we couldn't help but notice that you were pro-choice.have a nice day :)

Jcjayhawk1 6 years, 5 months ago

Just a few thoughts.If DNA is present does that constitute a human being? If I am not mistaken within the first division of cells DNA and chromosomes are present. (I could be wrong)I do believe that Partial birth at the very least should be banned. I think that partial birth abortions are barbaric. Basically the legs are hanging out and kicking because it's still alive..that is until the "doctor" scrambles and sucks the brains out.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 5 months ago

And, regarding "choice"... I say, Let women choose! Absolutely.With "choice" comes responsibility. And, if a woman makes a choice which can result in the conception of a human being-even probabilistically so-then let her respect "choice" with an equal measure of responsibility to the life to which she has given expression.Abortion contradicts "choice"... there is no "choosing" for that life which is in the (un)balance.

creamygnome 6 years, 5 months ago

Show some pictures of actual childbirth. Now THAT is disturbing.

Navin_R_Johnson 6 years, 5 months ago

so agnostic what's the centrist postition on abortion?

Navin_R_Johnson 6 years, 5 months ago

i hope the three hundred pound guy down the street with tree trunks for arms and the neck the size of a barrel doesn't decide to commit homicide and go on a rampage with "his body."not to mention that wiry teenager on the corner. i hope he doesn't decide he wants old ladies' purses and starts using "his body" to clobber 'em on the head.

hujiko 6 years, 5 months ago

STRS: Sending only the doctor to prison doesnt make sense, that is like saying a drug dealer would go to jail but the person he is dealing to wouldnt, even if they had drugs on them. They were not "victims of society" only to their own flaws. So if the government criminalizes the action of abortion, and a woman has the procedure, then technically she should go to prison because it is illegal.

SettingTheRecordStraight 6 years, 5 months ago

"...reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies: the #1 cause of abortion." -agnostickSo pregnancies cause abortions, agnostick? Or are you saying that unwanted pregnancies actually cause the abortions? Either way, your logic is way off. Your comment doesn't even make sense as a bumper sticker.

mom_of_three 6 years, 5 months ago

I can't determine if it is wrong or right, because I won't be judge and jury for someone else, who is in the position and feels it's necessary to have one. It's an individual decision, and I won't take away the right for someone to make that decision. Even if I thought abortion was wrong, I am not going to take that decision away from someone else. It's their decision to make, and it's something they have to deal with, not me.

Phil Minkin 6 years, 5 months ago

How about some pictures of abused or neglected kids born to parents who didn't want them.

1029 6 years, 5 months ago

It seems like abortions have been getting progressively more expensive over the last three years. They need to open another place here in town to create some competition, which will hopefully causes prices to go down and shrink these ridiculously long lines.

SettingTheRecordStraight 6 years, 5 months ago

"Another question I have had is what would happen to women who have an abortion if it is illegal and they are caught in the act? Would they go to prison?" -hujikoNo. The abortion doctor goes to prison. The woman is a victim, like the child is, of a society where Planned Parenthood, NOW and NARAL have lied to two generations of women about the horrors of "choice."

Navin_R_Johnson 6 years, 5 months ago

STRS,that would be know as the "centrist" position on abortion.

ReadingSports 6 years, 5 months ago

"so agnostic what's the centrist postition on abortion?"oh, oh... can I answer?That anyone that disagrees with agnostic is a theocrat. Isn't that right Ag?

geniusmannumber1 6 years, 5 months ago

Yawn. Same sex-obsessed stuff I saw on campus ten years ago.

Godot 6 years, 5 months ago

""We believe the images that this group presents are graphic and disturbing," she said. "We believe that they're unfair to women who have had abortions."Why? Did they think the little tykes floated up to heaven in a fluffy cloud? Does the truth hurt?

SettingTheRecordStraight 6 years, 5 months ago

This type of educational campaign is wonderful. The target audience is the young women and men most likely to consider abortion. Hopefully the effect dual effect will be fewer abortions as well as many more students ready to fight for laws that will protect developing human life.

towanda54 6 years, 5 months ago

Marion Lynn-I don't particularly want to see pictures of an appendectomy either, but doesn't mean I'd turn one down to save my life.

ReadingSports 6 years, 5 months ago

"Tiller would be a lot easier to handle if Cook and her bunch would stop thinking about Tiller as a "murderer": and start thinking about him as a "business owner."Yes, someone whose business is death!Marion, if you're thinking like tra, be afraid, be very, very, very, very, afraid. Or just plain silly. either one. :-)

ReadingSports 6 years, 5 months ago

TheSychophant,Just like a liberal, call the opposition names and change the subject.

mom_of_three 6 years, 5 months ago

I don't think I could ever have an abortion, and I don't know if it is right or wrong. but I don't think it's right to tell someone else what they can or can't do with their bodies. It's a personal decision that every woman has a right to make.

mom_of_three 6 years, 5 months ago

very well said, logic. Bubarubu has a good point, too. Work on prevention measures, and then the abortions won't be needed.

davidnta 6 years, 5 months ago

Oh how we all love to control others. Conservatives are very hypocritical in how they want to deal with family issues in private, but legislate onto others.I would say let the families decides whether or not it's right. It's a woman's choice to choose to be pro-life or pro-choice. If she's pro-life, that's her choice, good for her and her family, but DO NOT tell me what to do in my family.

mom_of_three 6 years, 5 months ago

I can't say that it is wrong either....

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 5 months ago

( Seems I'm always arriving late to the forums, these days... one of the drawbacks of having life, I suppose... unlike those lucky aborted feti. ) mom_of_three: "I can't determine if it is wrong or right, because I won't be judge and jury for someone else, who is in the position and feels it's necessary to have one. It's an individual decision, and I won't take away the right for someone to make that decision."If you can appreciate the problem inherent in "judging and jurying" someone else, then why tolerate it from those who would render the ultimate( i.e., existential ) judgment regarding the most vulnerable among us?And you're right about it being an "individual" decision... a unilateral verdict impacting two-count 'em-unique individuals. 1029: "It seems like abortions have been getting progressively more expensive over the last three years. They need to open another place here in town to create some competition, which will hopefully causes prices to go down and shrink these ridiculously long lines."1029, I trust you're being sarcastic, here. ( If not, then you've just experienced an unprecedented loss of love... I'd say... amounting to the loss of a significant digit... 029.... ) Hawk6643: "I don't consider a fetus to be alive until it can fully survive outside the mother's womb."Hawk-less-than-zero... we won't consider you alive until you can survive outside of that fragile nexus which sustains you.

ReadingSports 6 years, 5 months ago

ReadingSports: fwiw: When it comes to matters of faith, religion, etc. you're not nearly as fanatical as some others I've run across over the years.Now I'm insulted!You've been using and abusing that word quite a bit lately. Bit hypocritical, don't you think?

idarastar 6 years, 5 months ago

foodboy (Anonymous) says:How about some pictures of abused or neglected kids born to parents who didn't want them.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++That's what I think. Many of the people who get abortions is because they are mentally, emotionally or financially unstable and unable to care for another life. Of course, people will argue that if you're not able to care for a child, don't have sex or you should use protection. There are many reasons out there why one might not use protection. In this case, abstinence if not an answer. It's human nature to want sex.Women and men both should have they choice of what to do with her body. If she created the fetus, it's hers to keep, abort or adopt. But if you look at the statistics, white children are the most adopted children. When it comes to socioeconomics, brown-skinned women are ones that are needing a reject a child/fetus through adoption or abortion.Looking at the foster care rate: Approximately 64% of children waiting in foster care are of minority background; 32% are White. 51% of all foster children waiting for adoption are Black, 11% are Hispanic, 1% are American Indian, 1% are Asian/Pacific Islander, and 5% are unknown/unable to determine.And 53% of these children are supported through federal funds. http://statistics.adoption.com/information/adoption-statistics-foster-care-1999.htmlI've known kids in foster care. They are hurt souls that feel rejected. They were born into a world where no one wants them. It's been said that a healthy child can not be found in a home without a loving mom and dad. Although I've known some happy adopted kids, there are still those psychological hangups in the back of their minds.The focus of these groups should not be to criminalize abortion, rather, it should be to help women get to a point where they are able to birth children by supporting them before sex even becomes part of their life. If young women and men are taught positive messages about their role as adults and what relationships, parenthood and safe sex practices are all about, some of the abortion rate would decrease. There are far too many children in the world that are in need of loving parents. Why should a woman only have the choice of life for a fetus if she has no intentions of keeping it? Should she just to toss another child into the state system for your tax dollars to support?There's far more to the abortion story than a right for a fetus to live. I just wanted to share my thoughts.

hujiko 6 years, 5 months ago

Graphic nature aside, no one truly ever wishes to have an abortion, it isnt something you HAVE to have, so if you dont agree with it, then dont have one. Another question I have had is what would happen to women who have an abortion if it is illegal and they are caught in the act? Would they go to prison?

sonshyne2002 6 years, 5 months ago

I think it is important for people to know the truth about abortion. Unfortunately, the truth is not visually appealing!

Confrontation 6 years, 5 months ago

Was Phil KKK-Kline there to get all hot and sweaty while looking at these pics? Don't forget that this is his adult material. Actually, I'm sure a lot of you posters really get off on this stuff.

coltrane 6 years, 5 months ago

these characters are bloody gross (intentional comment).

Cait McKnelly 6 years, 5 months ago

I haven't seen anyone mention the fact that almost (if not all ) of the so called "abortion" pictures of "fetuses" circulated by these groups have either been artificially "enhanced" or are outright false. It was proven that one of them was a picture of a monkey fetus.But hey, the ends justify the means, right? Right?

beatrice 6 years, 5 months ago

Tom, let's flip your senario. I'll bet there are many who want these abortion images shown are the same people who object when images of dead American soldiers in Iraq are shown to the public. Yes, disturbing images can be effective in getting a point across. War -- horrifying = bad thing; aborted fetus -- horrifying = bad thing. However, we know that soldiers are sent into war, and if you don't agree with the reason, that means it is cause to stop the war. However, we don't always know what the story is of an aborted fetus -- was it brain dead and would it have been still-born? Was it a developing fetus by a rape? Is it a monkey fetus? We don't know. Just something to think on.

vortexmagic 3 years, 12 months ago

LESSONS FROM GOD ; What happens to a Baby's Soul after Abortion or Miscarriage

             One fine morning at home, I was chanting mantras when Sai Baba appeared  and said ''Amarjit, come with me", we reappeared in a Temple with my wife also sitting next to me in the temple Hall.

Baba looked at us and said '' I have brought someone to meet you''

       I said,  "Baba 'who have you brought''

Baba said ''Look meet your other daughter''

I was totally confused ''Baba you are mistaken we have a daughter we do not have another, ''

   '' AHA,!  said Baba   '' She is your other daughter, do you not, remember the trauma your wife suffered during miscarriage 15 years ago?"
     I replied,  "Baba, why have you brought her to see us''

I saw this girl standing next to us tall and very serene as if she had been touched by the hand of GOD!.

  Baba said '' Amarjit, When the mother has a miscarriage or Abortion it is not automatic that the child's soul ascends, If the mother is constantly immersed  in prayers then God intervenes and send Angels to  take the Baby soul to Heaven/appropriate place, if not in prayers -- then the Baby soul can be trapped in Limbo, becoming a BHOOT/Spirit , and normally attaches itself to it's mother where it is home! 
   From the mothers body the Baby soul may cause untold Trauma to its Mother/father and all around. Many times the Soul has no idea that its body/temple has died! The soul watches everything the parents do and interferes with their emotions.  Amarjit, this is why its important to immerse in God prayers always.

Amarjit, God has acknowledged your prayers & Devotion & intervened to take your baby soul Home!".

   Baba then took hold of our daughters hand and the gates of Heaven opened and he disappeared with the Angels.
     We should open our senses and allow our Inner Godhead to awaken.

Baba says "I am God, You too are God but you fail to recognise this!

OM SAI RAM Amarjit

With Miscarriage and Abortions invariably the baby soul stays within the mothers Womb where it was conceived as it is home to it. The mother has no idea why she has gone into depression after miscarriage or abortion. She has no idea it could be the Traumatic Soul stuck to her.

From the womb the Baby Soul then may choose to cause a lot of suffering to her host/ ie Mom and people around. If the baby Soul becomes possessive of the Mother then it will invariably become very jealous and act accordingly with the people attached to MOM!

With an Abortion / Miscarriage while it may be argued that the foetus has no soul in it in the early stages, it was shown to me by Baba that the foetus can be classified as a Phantom Living organism of the Mother similar to ' The Phantom Limb'.

So Aborting the foetus is similar to that of having a trauma when you loose part of your body, say the Limb , Kidney etc.

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