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Dangerous K-10

October 26, 2008

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To the editor:

After this week's accident on K-10 east of Lawrence my question is: How many accidents and/or deaths is it going to take before something is done to make K-10 a safer highway?

I have two college-age children who travel K-10 almost every day and I pray to God that I never receive a phone call from the Highway Patrol because someone lost control and crossed the median. Maybe we could lower the speed limit? Install guardrails or cement barriers?

Just some suggestions because it's time to do something about K-10!

Lisa Baxter,
Lawrence

Comments

parrotuya 5 years, 5 months ago

Get rid of ALL speed limits. After all, time is money. Higher speeds will weed out the weak drivers sot the rest of us will have the highways all to ourselves. Those who can't hang, can take the bus or stay home. Without speed limits, the police would be free to spend their time tracking down criminals and terrorists so that we will all be safe from crime!

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tumbilweed 5 years, 5 months ago

i think i'll get high with a stuffed one. it's not hard.nice bantering with you in the matrix.

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Jason Bailey 5 years, 5 months ago

@tanaumaga: Seriously, you need to see a psychiatrist. So much hate and animosity is not healthy. You're a walking case study for road rage.BTW: I don't get the "get stuffed" thing. Am I supposed to be a creme-filled long john or something?

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tanaumaga 5 years, 5 months ago

you may be saying that in your second post, but not in the first. get stuffed .(with a high hard one)

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tumbilweed 5 years, 5 months ago

by the way, are you drunk?i wonder how different these forums would be if we all had breathalyzer-enable on our computers.have a nice night.

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tumbilweed 5 years, 5 months ago

prove it. sure seems like it to me, tuna mooga

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Jason Bailey 5 years, 5 months ago

tanaumaga wrote:"Your saying that it's not cell phones but ipods:but people are on cell phones dialing and texting?:.and that's not the problem? good stuff:. i look forward to more insight in the future.p.s. get stuffed."Read my post. I'll speak more slowly since you apparently have some sort of learning disability or dyslexia: I said cell phones aren't the problem, it's people dialing the phones/texting/using ipods that are the problem. A person in a car with a bluetooth hands-free system don't pose the sort of problem as those that I mentioned.PS, learn to read.

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jhawkfan05 5 years, 5 months ago

Clint all you have to do is take the tag number to the police department and they will run the plate and tell you who it belongs too or you can tell them what happen and they will talk to the person...Police department can run any tag number.

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Charles L Bloss Jr 5 years, 5 months ago

Clint, vehicle registrations are public record. You can get the information from the state, or perhaps the DG County treasurers office. Thank you, Lynn

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Charles L Bloss Jr 5 years, 5 months ago

I agree the speed limit on K-10 from the Lecompton interchange to Lawrence should be 60. With all the merging traffic it is presently too high. No one pays any attention to the yield signs, they just shoot out right in front of you and then slow down. I learned an interesting thing about KS traffic law. You cannot exceed the posted speed limit to pass another vehicle. Of course, we know that is impossible on roads like K-10. That law needs to be changed in the next legislative session, in case you need something to write your representatives and senators about. I hate to drive on that portion of K-10 for the aforementioned reasons, but also because of that one stupid traffic light in the middle of a high speed highway. Whose brilliant idea was that? I live on CR 1029, where 5,000 vehicles a day pass by. I have to wait until there is a break in traffic before I pull out. I don't have a taxpayer funded traffic signal, and neither should the drivers wanting to pull onto K-10 or cross it. That is one of the primary reasons to lower the speed limit to 60. It's 55 on CR 1029. Thank you, Lynn

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ralphralph 5 years, 5 months ago

K-10 is a KU-ing raceway. as in 'rip his KU-ing head off!'

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tanaumaga 5 years, 5 months ago

i'm backing away very slowly.....

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tanaumaga 5 years, 5 months ago

tumbilweed, i'm sorry...good word!chidedOne entry found. Main Entry: chide Pronunciation: &&char114&& chÄ»d Function: verb Inflected Form(s): chid &&char114&& chid or chided &&char114&& chÄ»-dÉd ; chid or chidden &&char114&& chi-dÉn or chided; chiding &&char114&*& chÄ»-diÅ Etymology: Middle English, from Old English cÄ»dan to quarrel, chide, from cÄ»d strife Date: before 12th century intransitive verb : to speak out in angry or displeased rebuke transitive verb : to voice disapproval to : reproach in a usually mild and constructive manner : scold synonyms see reprove

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tanaumaga 5 years, 5 months ago

some people like hearing themselves....however, i'm finding that i like reading what i hear i like.'tana 'ooh-ah' umaga'

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tanaumaga 5 years, 5 months ago

tumbilweedwe're not in living in the matrix...take a deep breath, and punch in for the day.

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tanaumaga 5 years, 5 months ago

that's just based off of my observations though....

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tanaumaga 5 years, 5 months ago

Jason 2007"The problem, in my opinion based on observations, is not cell phones but iPods (switching songs while driving), dialing cell phones, and texting."Your saying that it's not cell phones but ipods...but people are on cell phones dialing and texting?....and that's not the problem? good stuff.... i look forward to more insight in the future.p.s. get stuffed.

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tumbilweed 5 years, 5 months ago

i've been chided before for making comments like this, but, blame all you want, each and every one of you (and me) make a choice to drive, to work a job you have to drive to, a school in kansas city you have to drive to, etc. If the road is too dangerous, not driving is the best alternative, wouldn't you say?You create your own reality and you have no one to blame but yourself for every situation you get yourself into, deserved, planned, or not.

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tanaumaga 5 years, 5 months ago

mom,no one is saying a median is safer...it just prevents head on collisions. .....although, it is safer for anybody traveling the oppisite direction.

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Jason Bailey 5 years, 5 months ago

Informed wrote:"I don't think you have an expectation of privacy where your license plates are concerned, jason2007. No, I'm not a lawyer, but just following common sense. They are a means of identification and are available to the public, usually for a fee."Is that so? Then I guess anytime a news report shows a car driving away and the license number is blurred doesn't mean anything. Maybe the news organizations of the world have lawyers that think differently than you do. I certainly don't think the producers are blurring license plates because it's a fun thing to do before putting the segment on the air.

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feeble 5 years, 5 months ago

I have observed that the average speed on k-10 during rush hour (7a-9a, 4p-6p) is above the posted speed limit. I routinely, by which I mean at least three times rush hour time period, see drivers traveling above 80. Travel at those speeds is not safe for anyone, no matter how much defensive driving experience one has. The only way I can think of to curb speed is to increase enforcement of traffic laws, especially speeding, or to install a toll plaza, but I am open to other, constructive suggestions.Regarding the speed limit, it is 65 between 35 and Renner, I think that should be extended to the Cedar Creek / Canyon Creek exit, as traffic becomes much more congested between k-7 and 35.If you think just driving defensively will solve the problem, I posit that you are in fact part of the problem. Something needs to be done to curb the wanton abuse of traffic laws and regulations on k-10, and a visible law enforcement presence is the most immediate remedy. Further, speed traps are only a problem for those who elect to drive above the posted speed limit.

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lmatt 5 years, 5 months ago

"feeble", so you like "speed traps"? Also, are you crazy? Lower the speed limit? That is the wrong answer. Again, no one is listening. DEFENSIVE DRIVING CLASSES TO GET OR RE_NEW A LICENSE! PERIOD! Most people dont learn anything in drivers ed class anymore.

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rcbmom 5 years, 5 months ago

Why is it always KDOT's fault? KDOT can't drive people's cars for them. And a median isn't that much safer--They can be just as dangerous is someone hits them. Driver behavior is the key.

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Pilgrim 5 years, 5 months ago

feeble (Anonymous) says:K-10 west of Larry needs to be finished: expanded to 4 lanes, correct crowning, etc.*****Yes!======================K-10 east needs to be regulated: increased speed/traffic monitoring. Currently, this only happens at the Eudora underpass and De Soto, and even then, rarely (major holidays, maybe one or two days saturation every 160 - 200 days. There needs to be more monitoring by K-7 and East Hills as well, as these are common speed zones, and saturations no more than 90 days apart.The speed limit should be dropped to 60 or 65. Persons traveling in excess of 80 mph on these highways should be cited for Reckless driving.******Get your butt over in the right-hand lane and stay there. Problem solved. And without spending all that money on overtime for the cops.

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Clint Gentry 5 years, 5 months ago

Wrong, it's the smallest Cello in the world, you can't tell what it is, because it's so small. And it's being played by the smallest exchange student...

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packs_of_wild_dogzz 5 years, 5 months ago

Anyone who cannot tell that stretch of k-10 is not a four lane highway should not be driving. First open your eyes and look around...do you see another road anywhere? Next, if you are being passed closely by cars going the other direction or you see cars coming at you when you move to the left lane the light bulb should come on and tell you it's a two lane highway.

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macon47 5 years, 5 months ago

idiot drivers are killing alot of innocent peopleeveryday, everywhere at all speedsmedian cables are just a liberal band-aidsuggested as just another way to spendmoney and not address the real problem

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domino 5 years, 5 months ago

Clint Gentry - file and sign a complaint with local law enforcementfor starters. Ask them if there is anything else you can do while you are at it!

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tanaumaga 5 years, 5 months ago

....only time in my life when i take a far right approach.

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tanaumaga 5 years, 5 months ago

get off the pills mary kate...there's at least 15 feet from the median to the shoulder on both sides.confrontation, your part of the problem.bottom line for the original k-10= cable divider. sure , tax payers will have to pay every time they need to be fixed , but it's better than paying with your life, whether or not your at fault or the other driver(s). south lawrence traffic way is a two lane, and with it come the risks of driving head on with another vehicle, with only a four foot buffer at best....

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feeble 5 years, 5 months ago

K-10 east of Lawrence and K-10 west of Lawrence are really separate problems. I rarely drive on K-10 west of Lawrence, but commute daily on K-10 to and from Johnson County. Taking 70 is not an option as my destination is in south JoCo.K-10 west of Larry needs to be finished: expanded to 4 lanes, correct crowning, etc.K-10 east needs to be regulated: increased speed/traffic monitoring. Currently, this only happens at the Eudora underpass and De Soto, and even then, rarely (major holidays, maybe one or two days saturation every 160 - 200 days. There needs to be more monitoring by K-7 and East Hills as well, as these are common speed zones, and saturations no more than 90 days apart.The speed limit should be dropped to 60 or 65. Persons traveling in excess of 80 mph on these highways should be cited for Reckless driving.

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MaryKatesPillStash 5 years, 5 months ago

Countrygirl, to somewhat answer your question, the cable dividers do cut down on median crossovers. However, they can also cause problems, in that drivers do not have the opportunity to "bail out." If someone encroaches on your lane, for instance, the encroaching driver may force your car into the cable barrier, and SUVs have been documented to roll this way. Other times, inattentive drivers may run off the road somewhat, then "bounce" back once they hit the barrier (not because of the barrier, but because of their reaction to the impact). This situation is also very dangerous because it can lead to over-correction and can involve other vehicles.So it's a kind of "pick your poison" situation. They can also be pretty expensive to install. And people hate those pesky taxes...

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Norma Jeane Baker 5 years, 5 months ago

I don't think you have an expectation of privacy where your license plates are concerned, jason2007. No, I'm not a lawyer, but just following common sense. They are a means of identification and are available to the public, usually for a fee.

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Jaylee 5 years, 5 months ago

geekin_topekan (Anonymous) says:"If you have taught them to respect others and that they are not the center of attention or the universe than they should have no problems."its not that simple geek. some of us HAVE to drive on 10 and whether or not i was driving safe all these days did not make a difference in at least these accidents. there could very easily come a day when im on the highway and someone drifts across to my side... not my fault or the result of me disrespecting others or viewing myself as the center of attention.other measures must be taken aside from us ourselves being safe. what though.... is the problem

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mustbhiorlo 5 years, 5 months ago

Clint, do you hear that? It's the sound of the smallest violin in the world playing just for you.

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Jason Bailey 5 years, 5 months ago

Clint Gentry wrote:"Sorry Jason2007, I thought it was bad form being pushed off the road, but I'll try to be considerate of their feelings:Or is that your plate #?"Um, privacy and the importance thereof has nothing to do with "feelings". It has to do with a right we all have.

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Pilgrim 5 years, 5 months ago

bearded_gnome (Anonymous) says:I say:Ban Merrill,that'll cut down on road rage, roundabouts, traffic cushions, inane comments, making the entire population of lawrence at least 15% better drivers!*******It will also cut way down on the bandwidth wasted on his OCD cut-n-pastes.

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urthlvr 5 years, 5 months ago

Eaglepass-I had no idea the T went all the way to Independence! WOW! Do you think it would take me to Wichita?I'm so glad I no longer need to drive K-10 on a regular basis. When I do, I keep to the speed limit and keep my eye on other drivers and the road.It doesn't do anyone any good if you drive too fast and don't make it to your destination. Slow. Down.

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Pilgrim 5 years, 5 months ago

grimpeur (Anonymous) says:We can make all the road improvements we want, but until cities and states finally get the cojones to ban cell phone use by drivers, and enforcement stops ignoring these idiots and starts issuing citations for "failure to give full time and attention" to these self-important a-holes (who are not talking about anything important enough to justify their recklessness) as soon as they see the violation, and licenses start getting revoked and jail becomes a normal part of DUIs (instead of five-time offenders still driving around), and we start cracking down on speeders and aggressive drivers with multiple moving violations (instead of allowing them to plead down to traffic school or no points on the license), nothing will improve.*******I bet you guys have trouble with walking and chewing gum at the same time, too. So spit out the gum and leave the rest of us alone.

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lmatt 5 years, 5 months ago

Its NOT the highway, its the DRIVERS! How can you not avoid a head on crash? If your paying attention, you should be able to swerve to avoid hitting the other car. Even if it means hitting the ditch! People need defensive driving classes, period!

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cheeseburger 5 years, 5 months ago

bearded_gnome (Anonymous) says: *Ban Merrill,that'll cut down on road rage, roundabouts, traffic cushions, inane comments, making the entire population of lawrence at least 15% better drivers!Sounds good to me! Doesn't take me too long each day to OD on Heckler's inane comments!

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Eaglepass 5 years, 5 months ago

Mom of three just get back on the T and stop complaining,

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Clint Gentry 5 years, 6 months ago

The truck cut me off so that I had to move to the shoulder to prevent him running into me. I was honking the whole time he didn't even look up...I thought after the construction was done it would be clear sailing, and in fact it was the most dangerous drive yet.

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Norma Jeane Baker 5 years, 6 months ago

Clint, an easy solution: did you call the sheriff of whatever county you were in to report it? You can pay to get license plate information from the county. I don't think it's free.Curiously, how did a truck almost push you off the road?

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Clint Gentry 5 years, 6 months ago

Sorry Jason2007, I thought it was bad form being pushed off the road, but I'll try to be considerate of their feelings...Or is that your plate #?

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Jason Bailey 5 years, 6 months ago

@Clint Gentry: Come on...why don't you post the person's address and phone number while you're at it. Posting a license number is bad form and goes against etiquette.@Everyone else: The problem, in my opinion based on observations, is not cell phones but iPods (switching songs while driving), dialing cell phones, and texting. One night last winter while crossing the Kansas River on K-7, a freezing drizzle was starting to coat the bridge surface. I looked over at a car passing me and saw a kid texting while driving on the slick roadway. I was floored. If kids are texting on ice, imagine what they're doing on dry pavement when they think everything's safe.

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countrygirl 5 years, 6 months ago

Anyone heard how those cables that Missouri put on along 435 are working? They're designed to stop crossover accidents but I haven't heard anything about how effective they are.

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Clint Gentry 5 years, 6 months ago

I was almost killed this morning by a somebody in a large truck, pushed me off the road and simply kept driving. The Kansas license plate number was POH 574. I'm trying to track this person down and let them know what I think of this. Is there anyway to find the owner of the truck by knowing their plate #'s. Thanks for any help.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 6 months ago

take the western leg and bring in some concrete barriers to divide the lanes, I visited today with someone and when they get to the western leg, they "think" they are on a four lane highway...concrete barriers for dividers are cheap until a real highway is built and designed properly. It is a bad design from 435 to the west turnpike entrance of Lawrence.

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bearded_gnome 5 years, 6 months ago

I say:*Ban Merrill,that'll cut down on road rage, roundabouts, traffic cushions, inane comments, making the entire population of lawrence at least 15% better drivers!

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Mimis_friend 5 years, 6 months ago

In Chicago, the use of a cell phone is not permitted while driving a car UNLESS the driver uses a hands free system like a blue tooth or wired headset. This to me, is reasonable and could save lives. When I drive on the KU campus, all you see is people hanging on to their cell phones while they are on their ear. Everywhere people talk to others while they are with someone else. I don't get it, I guess. Why not pay attention to those you are with?

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Confrontation 5 years, 6 months ago

I hate driving on K-10. There are too many jerks who refuse to get in the slow lane when you drive up behind them. For some reason, they think they're special and shouldn't ever have pass someone. A lot of time, those same jerks are also talking on their cell phones. I'm forced to pass them on the right, since they're too stupid to figure it out. These people are often doing 70mph or less, so don't think I'm trying to go 80mph. The cops should be busting them. Stay in the slow lane, idiots!

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Al Deathe 5 years, 6 months ago

The problem is that you can't make bad drivers, good driver by road improvements! Generally speaking there are very few bad roads in Douglas County, there are only bad drivers. I don't know if I would go as far as calling them bad drivers as much as distracted drivers. Years ago the only thing drivers had to do as they drove was listen to the radio and read (never understood the reading but it been a problem for decades). Now people use their vehicles as portable offices, young people seems to take the brunt of this for some unknown reason. If anything they may not have multi-tasking skills that seasoned adults have but all age groups can share the blame. You only have to drive around the City of Lawrence to realize that peoples priorities are not driving the vehicle. I am so tired of seeing tax dollars be spent trying to make people safer drivers. I not sure that education can change the attitide of todays drivers, they all know they are not paying the level of attention that is required to safely drive a vehicle. Most have the attitude "its not going to happen to me". When law makers first suggested a law against the using cell phones while vehicles were in motion I thought it was a bit of over kill, now I would believe it is essential. I would also add provisions that would include any action that distracts the drivers attention such as reading, applying makeup, eating meals and textings. People should realize that the City of Lawrence have a inattentive driver ordinance but the State of Kansas has no such statute. Until drivers start making the operation of a vehicle the main priority these type of accidents are going to continue.

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Zype 5 years, 6 months ago

Ban cellphones while driving!Ban driving fast!And while we're at it, lets ban a whole bunch of other things that aren't the problem.People don't pay attention when they drive, and a lot of people drive recklessly. That's all there is to it, and it's not the mobile phone's fault.The cell phone doesn't require eyes.But, hey. Why accept responsibility when there's other things like phones that you can blame, right?

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Richard Heckler 5 years, 6 months ago

Considering the traffic these two lanes carry I say to KDOT and local powers that be to make this section 4 lane no matter what decisions are made regarding the SLT. The western leg is here to stay. AND/OR partner up with the KTA and make it part of the toll road. If KTA is willing to accept the western leg donate existing roadway to the KTA.Reduce the speed and enforce it. All of K-10 needs more enforcement.

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sundancewierdo 5 years, 6 months ago

everyone drives like an idiot. the only person who thinks you are a good driver is you. i think lowering the speed limit is the best idea. any two lane highway should never be above 55 mph. just tell your kids it's better to be late than dead, and make them take a defensive driving course.

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spiderman 5 years, 6 months ago

mom of three - just wait until the SLT brings that 'freeway speed traffic' into the heart of town!

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mom_of_three 5 years, 6 months ago

I drove home from Independence last night, and I couldn't believe the drivers who were passing on curves and on hills. On the way there, there were 2 almost accidents from passing in no passing zones. On the way home, in the dark, we saw 4 cars pass in no passing zones. We were surprised, and thankful there were no accidents, because we slowed down when we saw the stupid cars passing us and the car ahead of us. There were 2 close calls where the passing car either almost clipped the one he was passing, or where he barely avoided the car going the other direction. As hubby said, while we were going the speed limit (which is a rarity for him), it isn't worth taking the risk of life and limb to pass someone to go a few miles per hour faster.

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SMe 5 years, 6 months ago

Couple of accidents - blame the road never ourselves.Why don't people take responsibility for their actions?The road didn't cause this latest round of accidents. Drivers caused them. For one reason or the other they "lost control" were "driving in the wrong lane" "hydroplaned" (anybody ever hear of "reasonable and prudent" speed?).You people get lackadaisical driving (well I've said it before you don't "drive" anymore, you "ride.") so the road's redesigned to make it "safer" and what do you do? Yea, you get even more lackadaisical.Drive defensively, obey the two second rule, keep your eyes and head moving, check the rear view mirrors often, finish the turn in the lane from which you start (!) and yes it is a turn, not a curve - stay out of my lane as you make your turn (!). Forget the iPod, CD, sandwich, cola (coffee), magazine, makeup and for once in your lives DRIVE the vehicle!

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camper 5 years, 6 months ago

I think a concrete surface might also help somewhat. It allows more surface traction, plus you don't need to replace it every year or so like is currently done. It also holds up better to extreme temperatures and is less prone to potholes.

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grimpeur 5 years, 6 months ago

27 sq. mi. gets the cigar, with honorable mention to geekin. It's not kneejerk anymore to note that a driver on a cell phone is a danger to everyone nearby--it's a fact. We can make all the road improvements we want, but until cities and states finally get the cojones to ban cell phone use by drivers, and enforcement stops ignoring these idiots and starts issuing citations for "failure to give full time and attention" to these self-important a-holes (who are not talking about anything important enough to justify their recklessness) as soon as they see the violation, and licenses start getting revoked and jail becomes a normal part of DUIs (instead of five-time offenders still driving around), and we start cracking down on speeders and aggressive drivers with multiple moving violations (instead of allowing them to plead down to traffic school or no points on the license), nothing will improve.

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27_sq_miles_of_pure_stupidity 5 years, 6 months ago

100% of the fault lies with the idiot drivers.period.

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seriouscat 5 years, 6 months ago

Ok I didn't realize that SLT is another name for K10. Never mind.Sorry geekin. What I said still stands regarding #2 though.

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DouglasCountySucks 5 years, 6 months ago

geekin ) Most who die on east K-10 are the ones who are being good drivers. The ones on the cell phones and not paying attention are the ones who kill the inocent ones. .. I do agree the speed limit should be droped to 60MPH and saturate it with 30 KHP Troopers for 6 months. That would make enough money in fines to pay for concrete center barriers. As it stands most KHP Troopers hate K-10 becuse people dont respect them when they have a car pulled over. I say saturate it and nail those sob`s that drive 90mph and let them pay for the upgrades.

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seriouscat 5 years, 6 months ago

People who post on these boards really need to work on two things:1) Reading comprehension skills.example: this author says absolutely nothing about the SLT in her letter.2) Judgmentalism, sweeping generalizations, and knee-jerk emotionalism. The first sentence in the previous post includes all three, and is unfortunately typical of the reactions and opinions expressed in the comments section.That is all.

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geekin_topekan 5 years, 6 months ago

If you have taught them to respect others and that they are not the center of attention or the universe than they should have no problems.People who drive as though their time and space is superior to everyone else's are the problem.SLT will not make those drivers more respectful or humble.They are a danger to themselves and everyone around them.

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