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Police find flooding at Oread Inn site both Wednesday and Thursday morning

Casey Stewart, job superintendent at the Oread Inn building project, works his way through water in the lower level of the building at 12th and Oread on Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2008. Vandals opened a fire hydrant at 12th and Oread sometime overnight, causing the water damage.

Casey Stewart, job superintendent at the Oread Inn building project, works his way through water in the lower level of the building at 12th and Oread on Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2008. Vandals opened a fire hydrant at 12th and Oread sometime overnight, causing the water damage.

October 22, 2008, 10:34 a.m. Updated October 23, 2008, 4:26 a.m.

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Police: Flooding at Oread Inn site caused by open fire hydrant

It's a sight that's been seen before as a watery mess filled up the construction site at the Oread Inn today. But the rain that fell today wasn't to blame for the muddy mess. Enlarge video

Damage causes flooding at Oread Inn site

Construction workers inspect the aftermath and work to remove water after the Oread Inn site was flooded Wednesday morning. Enlarge video

Construction workers spent Wednesday pumping water out of the Oread Inn development after someone damaged the site overnight.

Police were called at 6 a.m. to the hotel construction site near 12th and Indiana Streets after receiving a report of a roadway obstruction. Officers discovered that someone had activated a fire hydrant near the site and about seven feet of water had filled the construction pit.

KU police were again called to the scene at about 4:15 a.m. Thursday morning. The same fire hydrant was found open and gushing water into the construction site. The hydrant was shut off in about 25 minutes.

"It's an annoyance," said Larry "Cowboy" Wiezorek, a job site superintendent for Lawrence based general contractor Gene Fritzel Construction Co.

Wednesday's hydrant incident damaged several pieces of construction equipment on the site. According to Lawrence police, damage is estimated at $40,000, but construction crews were still tallying their losses.

"We had some forklifts down there that got some water up in them and we don't know the extent of (the damage)," Wiezorek said.

The water filled the basement area of the development, where three construction workers dressed in hard hats, yellow rain coats and black rain boots monitored two pumps Wednesday morning that sent the water through huge hoses and out onto Indiana Street. The pumping was expected to take the entire day.

Meanwhile, cars in the area splashed through a stream of water that expanded out of the gutters of nearby roads.

Some Kansas University students living in the neighborhood gawked at the site on their way to class and were hopeful the problem wouldn't delay the project.

"It really sucks," said Alex Horwitz, a KU sophomore from Prairie Village. "I live right next to it, so we want the construction to get finished, because we wake up to it every morning."

Property owners and those living in the neighborhood have raised concerns about the developer's need to keep a one-block portion of Indiana Street closed until August 2009.

Wiezorek said Wednesday's fire hydrant incident is only "a hiccup in the road" for the $37 million construction project. A similar occurrence happened about three weeks ago, he said, but was discovered more quickly.

"I think whoever does it thinks it's funny," he said. "I don't think it's funny at all."

As for Wednesday's damage, police have not yet identified any suspects. The construction company's working with police and Lawrence-Douglas County Fire & Medical officials on plans to make sure it doesn't happen again, Wiezorek said.

Construction workers said the incident won't hold them back on completing the seven story and 106-room hotel and condo development by January 2010.

The water incident is the latest in a series of problems faced by the development group, which includes Lawrence businessmen Thomas and Tim Fritzel and Todd Sutherland.

Workers also dealt with a water problem in early September, when a water main break caused water to pour into the site.

A construction worker was injured at the site Oct. 13, and taken by helicopter ambulance to a Kansas City-area hospital.

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

What is spot zoning?Spot zoning occurs when a small area of land or section in an existing neighborhood is singled out and placed in a different zone from that of neighboring property. For example, a park or school might be allowed in a strictly residential area if it serves a useful purpose to the neighborhood residents.In some areas of the country the courts have found spot zoning illegal on the ground that it is incompatible with the existing land use-zoning plan or in an overall zoning scheme for the community. Whether the exception carved out is reasonable and supported by the facts, often turns on public interest, the effect the spot zoning has on the current uses of neighboring properties, and any ramifications created by the zoning.

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 5 months ago

jerk_patrol (Anonymous) says: Does anyone know the definition of "spot-zoning."I was looking for one."Marion writes:I think "Spot zoning" is a reference to the brown spots in the yard left by the dogs doing their business.Anyway, that's what my dog Spot told me.

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jerk_patrol 5 years, 5 months ago

Does anyone know the definition of "spot-zoning." I was looking for one.

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jerk_patrol 5 years, 5 months ago

I wonder who taught me how to make multiple posts on a topic?

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jerk_patrol 5 years, 5 months ago

I also bet there is an architect or engineer somewhere whose license we can jerk because of this incident.

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jerk_patrol 5 years, 5 months ago

I'm betting there is a you-tube of this incident somewhere. Does anyone know how to link a you-tube here?

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jerk_patrol 5 years, 5 months ago

I thought there was a web site where we could keep up to date with this project?

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jerk_patrol 5 years, 5 months ago

I wonder if there are any ecological pipe wrenches missing from around LHS?

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not_dolph 5 years, 5 months ago

This whole thing gives me the chills...or maybe it just makes me feel...cool.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 5 months ago

Unbelievable that city doesn own fire hydrant locks and has to order them.

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 5 months ago

It was "Them"!You, know?The people our parents warned us about!

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Shane Garrett 5 years, 5 months ago

Did anyone think that perhaps hippies did not have anything to do with this? Perhaps the hippies are still sitting around their drum circle. Perhaps it was an under bid sub-contractor trying cause Gene trouble and money.

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TacoBob 5 years, 5 months ago

hawkperchedatriverfront, we get it. Hire a security guard and put up cameras, right? It doesn't take 10 posts saying the same thing to make your point.Also, there ain't no library project. None. So grind your axe somewhere else.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 5 months ago

For a 37million dollar project, I would spring $150,000 and have a contract 24/7 with three shifts of security guards. It wouldn't take long to not only catch the perpetrators but also the guards , if the city cooperated, could turn in the rascals at Hawkspointe, when they start burning furniture. It might even behoove Fritzel Construction to take a walk through the "neighborhood", hardly neighbors!!, take a walk and they might find construction cones, parking cones, etc. around the area.

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middleofdirtroad 5 years, 5 months ago

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

Sue Hack said, "it's beautiful!"Boog voted for the subsidies finding that the project is,"the only feasible & prudent alternative for that site".so that it could have TIF funding. photos:http://www2.ljworld.com/photos/galler...

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verity 5 years, 5 months ago

For civil disobedience to be effective, doesn't one have to identify themselves and explain what their objective is?Otherwise, I think it is just plain old vandalism.

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beobachter 5 years, 5 months ago

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

as proposed the coffee shop, restaurant, and food court total 7% of the total project size (excluding garage)

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

avaholic:the student neighborhood has plenty of sex without the need for porn i am quite sure, late nite pizza, beers, coffeeshop etc. would fit in quite well there.as is this proposal will provide one coffee shop, one restaurant, and a 'food court' inside the hotel.

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avaholic 5 years, 5 months ago

Why do I have they feeling if they were building a porn shop the hydrant would be undamaged?

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Jaylee 5 years, 5 months ago

hawkperchedatriverfront (Anonymous) says: "37 million for a hotel sounds like a bargain compared to 30 million for a library. At least the hotel has 106 rooms plus condos and a swimming pool(?) and a restaurant. Methinks the library project is a rip off big time! And the library wouldn't pay property taxes."ME NO LIKEY READS OR LEARN!!! ME WANT PLAY!!!!

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

compare KCPlaza project and projected rent / sales tax revenues of a $55million subsidy vs. Oread Inn subsidy.The city has agreed to extend about $55 million in tax increment financing toward the cost. This means that up to 100 percent of the property taxes on new buildings and up to 50 percent of the sales and other taxes generated by the expansion of the Plaza will be rebated to the developer until the total equals $55 million.

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

NY Times story about TIF funding on the Plaza in KCMO.note $55million vs $11million for the Oread Inn.http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E1DA1F3AF936A35753C1A961958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

hey what do you expect?the contractor and the 'design architect' - this is their first hotel with two floors of condos on top - neither had built a hotel before.http://www.nspjarch.com/

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

probably should have included a requirement for security since the city financed $11 of the $37 million?

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

thursday morning also? story does not explain, why?

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SofaKing 5 years, 5 months ago

Can't afford a security guard?

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Confrontation 5 years, 5 months ago

According to you folks, it should be raining frogs soon.

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c_dubya 5 years, 5 months ago

funkdog1 - I thought once Bush was out of office it was going to be all rainbows and lollipops again! Are you telling me Obama isn't going to change everything and make the world perfect again?!? I can't believe I've been lied to!

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

maybe it is the nymphs of mt. oread flying about at night?

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fu7il3 5 years, 5 months ago

Karma or not. If the person gets caught, they are looking at a long time in jail, causing that much damage.

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

they should have had security 24/7 all along it seemsif someone penetrates the construction barrier and falls in that pit it would automatically be life threatening and need prompt attention.likewise in the future when the building frame is towering at 105 ft. above the sidewalk obviously no one should be sneaking into the premises.

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funkdog1 5 years, 5 months ago

Thanks, Asbestos, you proved my point entirely. The city, state, county, etc. doesn't receive any tax revenue from the TIF district until the "property values" rise for the area due to the construction. How long do ya think that'll take in this economy? And how often to property values actually FALL if the development is a Wal-Mart or a bunch 'o' fast food restaurants?

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Bowhunter99 5 years, 5 months ago

it'd be very funny if this is how cool ends up in jail....

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Ray March 5 years, 5 months ago

the gods of KU don't want this monstrousity on campus...first the accident. then the floods. it's not meant to be fritzel!

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 5 months ago

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says: "If there is any moron that thinks that "civil disobedience" like this is OK, they need their axels greased again."Marion writes:Your statement does indeed include AlGore, wnho called for civil disobedience against coal plants, right?(And that should read "axles".)

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ASBESTOS 5 years, 5 months ago

"I'm not a supporter of vigilante justice, but I'd say the developers should have seen it coming. Afterall, who really wants that there?"I guess that then "turnabout is fairplay" with the construction "thugs" finding just who did this and beating them to dust?If there is any moron that thinks that "civil disobedience" like this is OK, they need their axels greased again.Here ya go "funky dog" is seems as if you do not understand "TIF's at all".http://www.shullsburgwisconsin.org/TIF.html

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 5 months ago

marion, the city cannot even get a house torn down that is an eyesore and safety hazard, and now in the 1000 block of Indiana a burned out house sits. really nice for a welcome to Homecoming..One has to wonder what the owners are smoking on both properties, 1232 La and 1000 block of Indiana.If they were mine, they would be torn down. Screw the Oread neighborhood or anyone else. Start at the top and take the places down. What they gonna do, put you in jail for tearing down your own property? Let them. shows how ignorant the town is. NO wonder Lawrence is a slum all over. The site should be secured just as any major construction project is. I am really surprised at the cheap fencing around it. One has to wonder why the builders don't have cameras installed for security as well as to document the construction. A first class hotel would have a kiosk in the lobby showing the construction process.Lawrence operates in slow mode.

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 5 months ago

Wait until some drunk or a little kid falls into the rebar-laced unguarded pit.The City of Lawrence should do something constructive for a change and require guards on the site 24/7 but is probably too busy figuring out how to squander your tax dollars on worthless projects.

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

22 October 2008 at 6:41 p.m.Suggest removalPermalinkfunkdog1 (Anonymous) says:ONmySOAPbox wrote: Big picture, with the economy in the toliet can we really afford to not allow a business that is going to generate sales tax?-Ah, but did you know the project has been granted a TIF? Do you know what a TIF does? It diverts the tax generated by the business from the city coffers to the business coffers for as long as the TIF has been agreed to.Let me say that again: for the life of the tif, the tax collected at the oread inn will go to the oread inn and not to the city.Don't believe me? Look it up. That's how TIFs work

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jumpin_catfish 5 years, 5 months ago

SMe (Anonymous) said:One word. Karma.Wrong word: crime

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

the third contingent that opposed the hotel was a group of citizens that did not support the idea of a TIF district which creates a zone around the hotel of an additional 1% sales tax for the hotel / condo business establishments, (will condo rentals be assessed the added tax?)....anyway - the city underwrote $11 million for the project to be used for street, utilities, and construction of the garage. the proceeds of the added tax will go to pay back this 'loan' to a private developerrather than the added tax going into the general revenue coffers, process estimated to take 20 years to pay back the money. This financing vehicle gave the developers a reduced interest rate / wherein that $11million loan was granted at an interest rate approximately 1% less than could have been obtained by the developers private financing. After all, they are only two Fritzel's and one Sutherland -- they needed an additional partner -- the CITY. Bad taste? well, the City doesn't own the garage, they do.

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

the second group that opposed this project were historic preservationists. the advisory board to the city commission the HRC / Historic Resources Commissioin voted unanimously 7-0 against the project finding that it adversely affects the vicinity of a local landmark due to its height, scale, and massing among other factors.All of the current city commissioners bascially supported overturning this findiing on non-compliance with State of Kansas guidelines for historic neighborhoods - with a 'wink-wink' to the power elite represented by these developers.message to out of town developers - NO. but if you are a local family power elite, wink-wink we will change the rules -- this uneven handed behaviour is what relly stymies growth in the town, and by the way undermines the validity of the historic review process.when have you heard of a 70 foot height variance being allowed for a long time neighborhood commercial zone?

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 5 months ago

37 million for a hotel sounds like a bargain compared to 30 million for a library. At least the hotel has 106 rooms plus condos and a swimming pool(?) and a restaurant. Methinks the library project is a rip off big time! And the library wouldn't pay property taxes.

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

ONmySOAPbox (Anonymous) says:I've only lived in Lawrence about 8 years and I cant seem to figure out why everyone dislikes Gene Fritzel? All I know about the guy is that his company truck are red and he builds buildings. What did he do to turn everyone against him? When did it become so unethical to start your own business, make a good living and prosper?Will Fritzel own part of the Oread Inn when it is completed or is he simply the contracter?ANSWER:Gene Fritzel founded the construction company on mostly residential work and is in his 70's now.Tom Fritzel, Tim Fritzel, & Tom Sutherland are the 'three T's L.L.C. developer / owner of the mostly hotel with two floors totaling about 17,000 sq. ft. of condos on top.Most objections to the project were from three camps.those opposing the change of zoning from neighborhood commercial with a 35 ft. height limit - to the hotel use with a proposed 105 ft. building. Also, it is pretty doubtful that the previous adjoining medium density residentialportion of the site on the northern half would have allowed a 200 car underground private garage with a similarly tall hotel above.

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sjschlag 5 years, 5 months ago

Bad luck befalls this construction site. Wonder if it will start sinking.....

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one_track 5 years, 5 months ago

Lets not forget to send the water bill to Gene Fritzel Construction Co. 642 Mass.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 5 months ago

Put up the money and hire security guards 24/7 for the site. Have a security trailer at the entrance on Oread and at the foot of Indiana. make no bones about enforcement. Be visible. Demand that Corliss get street lights installed along Oread Avenue that light up the area. It is a public street. The city paves it. The city can have lighting installed. Light up Indiana as well.The area is prone to vandalism almost every night when the bars close on 14th/Ohio, not to forget the trashing done regularly at Hawkspointe.

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 5 months ago

SMe (Anonymous) says: Anybody else note that construction workers also wear their hats backwards?I'm cool. Yes, I am. I AM cool. Yes, I am. I am COOL. Yes, I am."Marion writes:OSHA violation.Should be reported.

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funkdog1 5 years, 5 months ago

ONmySOAPbox wrote: Big picture, with the economy in the toliet can we really afford to not allow a business that is going to generate sales tax?-----------Ah, but did you know the project has been granted a TIF? Do you know what a TIF does? It diverts the tax generated by the business from the city coffers to the business coffers for as long as the TIF has been agreed to.Let me say that again: FOR THE LIFE OF THE TIF, THE TAX COLLECTED AT THE OREAD INN WILL GO TO THE OREAD INN AND NOT TO THE CITY.Don't believe me? Look it up. That's how TIFs work.

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SMe 5 years, 5 months ago

Anybody else note that construction workers also wear their hats backwards?I'm cool. Yes, I am. I AM cool. Yes, I am. I am COOL. Yes, I am.

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drugcompton 5 years, 5 months ago

word on the street is that Marion was trying to flush the gerbil out of Svens ass...Marion was to weak to shut the valve back off.Isnt that right Sidney?

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blakus 5 years, 5 months ago

karma, indeed. 37 million dollars for a building is ridiculous btw. and all this 'hippie' jargon is crap... if you know your history, the hippies of the 60s ceremoniously 'killed' the title after the drug binges in san fran tarnished their image... quit generalizing people as hippies, you just look ignorant.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 5 months ago

Fire hydrants have been opened. They have been opened with a wrench and the caps were not knocked off. There was a hydrant by the school of religion just a week ago. It's pretty easy to tell if a fire hydrant has been opened.I doubt very seriously that the contractor is putting water into the building. They have nothing to gain from that.There are vandals around the area and they jump on car roofs after the bars close, they break off side mirrors on cars, they burn furniture in the street. Those are Hawkspointe tenants. Oread AVenue is almost devoid of lighting from the contstruction site to the ADams center. That is waht the city wants. The city wants blight, slum. It is all over town and east of Iowa.Oread Neighborhood group should be pressing for street lighting , alley improvements and lighting. but instead they worry their ta tas silly over who is building what and how big it is.HIre security for the construction project! I am surprised the lender and insurance carriers don't demand it.

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 5 months ago

This thread so clearly demonstrates the beauty and wonderment of the "diversity" of Lawrence!

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bearclaws 5 years, 5 months ago

I may be completely wrong, but I seem to remember heavy rains associated with the water main break in September.Strange coincidence that both of these flooding incidents occur during heavy precipitation, yet the cause of the flooding is blamed on a water main break, and now someone opening a fire hydrant.Just an observation.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 5 months ago

A couple of weeks ago, a ROCK was thrown thru a window at the retired faculty apartments into the bedroom of one of the occupants. Lucky the person wasn't hit and die.The area has vandalism much of the time and has for the past 5 years at minimum. The city wants it that way. Notice, the street lighting is bare minimum. No enforcement of the litter ordinance and the recent foray by the Oread group and Candace Davis is worthless. What good does it do to wait a week. The party is on Friday night and the city doesn' go to work until Monday morning and then you only get voice mail.The police can issue a citation but they have been told not to. The hotel contractors need to hire a security firm and pay whatever it takes to monitor the site. The security people need to walk the area 24/7. Especialy between 11pm and 5am.Install cameras on a nearby building. Build it as if it is being built in a real city and not the burg of Lawrence.A bank is going to own the Oread Inn for quite a while, one would imagine, not to forget though that the owners of the condos on top and their lenders, will have interest as well.Who cares who will own it. That is the problem in Lawrence. Who owns what and who owns what not. Who cares.

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Justin Roberts 5 years, 5 months ago

I've only lived in Lawrence about 8 years and I cant seem to figure out why everyone dislikes Gene Fritzel? All I know about the guy is that his company truck are red and he builds buildings. What did he do to turn everyone against him? When did it become so unethical to start your own business, make a good living and prosper?Will Fritzel own part of the Oread Inn when it is completed or is he simply the contracter?

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 5 months ago

HIre security and patrol the area 24/7. Take down the sign with the rendering of the hotel from the corner at Oread Apts. That is a horrible place to put it and vandalism waiting to happen. Get a handle on the ongoing vandalism at Hawkspointe by their own tenants. Get a handle on the duplex on Oread south of Oread Apts. When you have partying on the roof and fireworks, you have problems.Fritzel and Werner, get a security firm up there ASAP.Get the security firm walking the area. Protect your asset.To much pedestrian traffic around the construction site after the bars close. It is nothing but trouble waiting to happen.Put up cameras. Monitor the site. Make it clear that it is being patrolled and monitored. There is no foundation damage to any houses around that site, any damage was there before the hotel started construction. There was no blasting at the site. That is b.s. about foundation damage. I would expect some lawsuits over rezoning that took place in the area as a possiblity. Thanks to the Oread neighborhood group, I wonder how their board members would like to be sued?

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terrapin2 5 years, 5 months ago

There's b3 again, trying to blame it on the hippies! And not only blaming it on the hippies, but suggesting that it would be OK to HUNT hippies. At least we can all take comfort in knowing that the world will be a better place when b3 is gone!That said, this project never should have been approved for this location, plain and simple. So while it may only be a minor set back for the Fritzel crew it is quite humorous to read about.

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notnowdear 5 years, 5 months ago

I still think the developers are going to be widely open to law suits for causing massive foundation damage to those houses built first on the hill.

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 5 months ago

I actually find this whole thing quite funny!In the late sixiteis and early seventies, such actions would have been lauded by the community as "striking back against the Man and Corporate America."Where have all the flower children gone; long time passing?BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 5 months ago

snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says: That wasn't cool, was it?"Marion writes:Ya know, it could be just the "karma" that all you non-religious types like to speak of!

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Jo_Jo 5 years, 5 months ago

Well said, ONmySOAPbox. It is really amazing how people in Lawrence (at least the majority of people who post comments) seem to be against economic development. Here are my suggestions - Go get a sandwich at Yellow Sub on 23rd St. and a beer at The Wheel, Hawk, Bull, or West and quit complaining about a project that will create tax revenue and jobs in a town that does not have a long line of businesses waiting to come here.

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Keith 5 years, 5 months ago

"Marion Lynn (Marion Lynn) says:Must be the result of some of the "civil disobiedience" that AlGore spoke of recently!"We don't have to look for Al Gore to find "civil disobedience" as you call it, we can just look back a day or so in the Journal World forums to find a local 'terrorist'. Lets see, who was it again... here it is."Marion Lynn (Marion Lynn) says:No surprise here, so what you do is go to one of the day work centers and find about a dozen strong guys.Then you go to the hardware store and buy them shovlels, pick, rakes and other implements of destruction and wait for dark.While you and The Gang Of Twelve are waiting for dark you are also getting them all likkered up with the cheap booze that you promised them in addition to the pay.At about 1:30 AM (When the cops are all busy with the bar corwd!), you set them to digging at one of the dikes hoilding back the wetlands.Soon as the water starts to flow real good you move to another spot on the dike and repeat the process. Do this several times.The rapidly flowing water will quickly erode the openings into really large holes in the dike and the veritable floodgates will open, draining the whole swamp before anyone can do anyathing about it.You should be able to cut five or six holes before anyone knows what is going on and by that time, you've returned the crew to home and you're off to bed; a job well done!"Pot, meet kettle, or Pot narc meet kettle

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Justin Roberts 5 years, 5 months ago

Do people really think they are going to permanently stop construction by flooding the site? The project is not due for completion until 2010, loosing 1 or 2 days is not going to make a difference for a 2 year long project. All it does is make the surrounding community look bad and raises the crime rate. It's a hotel for pete sake, not like they are opening a porn store.Big picture, with the economy in the toliet can we really afford to not allow a business that is going to generate sales tax?

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

BIGLEW's hotel & spa with pool ?

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 5 months ago

Put some snap , crackle and lots of pop into the security for the Oread Inn.Where is the 24/7 security patrolling the site. If I were loaning 37million, I would want my collateral secured while under construction.NOt only that , only last week a fire hydrant was opened by the school of religion.Cameras, 24/7 security and then see what happens. 24/7 security at $20 a hour is cheap for a 37 million dollar project.Come on Fritzel and Werner..let's get with the program. Secure the site like one would in Vegas!.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 5 months ago

Marion was a narc? REally now? I thought he was involved in bringing charges against an ethic group for trashing many copies of the UDK.

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not_holroyd 5 years, 5 months ago

I say just concrete it in and make it a pool for Hawk and his buddies up on 1200 Louisiana. It may not be the worlds largest outdoor free municipal concrete swimming pool, but it could qualify as the deepest and most expensive in the state.

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b3 5 years, 5 months ago

Ah, the dirty hippies are on the loose again. I didn't realize that the hippie hunting season had started already (although since Lawrence is so overpopulated a person could realisticly hunt them year-round here and not put a dent in their numbers). Tag'em and bag'em!

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Boston_Corbett 5 years, 5 months ago

Isn't this the area where you did your drug buys in the 60's during your Narc days Marion?

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

are they sure this was vandalism?a water main break happened not that long ago?

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kusp8 5 years, 5 months ago

I'm not a supporter of vigilante justice, but I'd say the developers should have seen it coming. Afterall, who really wants that there? Certainly not the people (read students) who live, work, and attend school, in the area.

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

dear marion,did al tell them - maybe they should build an ark?

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

supernintendo?that must mean that ---a sign ?remember the owners are the corporation or something called ' the three T's'tom fritzeltim fritzeltom sutherlandmaybe Al Gore was there with Bill & Hillary?

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

Al Gore in Lawrence?i thought he now owned a BBQ restaurant somewhere inTennessee?

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 5 months ago

Must be the result of some of the "civil disobiedience" that AlGore spoke of recently!

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spiderman 5 years, 5 months ago

looks like full time security is needed ---they probably should do that anyway with oncoming ice & snow and traffic hazards that will come with winter.

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Jaylee 5 years, 5 months ago

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iplaysupernintendo 5 years, 5 months ago

a sign?3 incidents within 2 months?!

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