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Republican Party finds 28 suspect voters

October 17, 2008

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— The Republican Party of New Mexico alleges 28 people voted fraudulently in one Albuquerque state House district in the June Democratic primary.

Party representatives said at a news conference Thursday they found the suspect voters in a review of 92 newly registered voters in House District 13.

"We really have a bombshell - evidence of voter fraud in the 2008 primary in Albuquerque," said State Rep. Justine Fox-Young, an Albuquerque Republican.

Fox-Young said several of the suspect voters were registered by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, known as ACORN, an advocacy group for low-income people that has come under fire in recent weeks for its voter registration practices.

On Thursday, the FBI announced a national investigation into whether ACORN has helped foster voter registration fraud. The organization also is being investigated for fraud in Nevada, Connecticut, Missouri and at least five other states. Election officials also have recently questioned the group's voter forms in Ohio and North Carolina.

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notajayhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

"Now even if this is true, how the hell are those fictitious people going to show up at the polls and cast fraudulent ballots? These are people who don't exist, for pity's sake!"Well, fannie, since the brilliant Democrats fight tooth and nail to prevent voter ID requirements, the only requirement to vote is to show up and claim a name on the list. Which means you can register 25 times as John Smith, Bob Smith, Mickey Mouse, and Bozo the Clown, etc, then vote in all those names. It may be discovered later, but you can't negate the vote once it's cast.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

Even when there were political machines stuffing the ballot boxes (Pendergast in KC, Papa Daly in Chicago) it was hardly a secret-- the machines just controlled everything that went on in the city, so it wasn't going to be challenged.Let the FBI investigate-- all they'll do is confirm what has already been well-researched-- there is no significant problem with fraudulent voting because there is little incentive to do it for the hundreds of thousands of individual voters that would be required to carry it out, and it would be easily detected if it were attempted.The hysteria over ACORN is merely exhibit A of the Republicans' class warfare against poor people, especially those of color.

classclown 6 years, 2 months ago

How does that saying go?Twice is a coincidence, three (or several) times is a... bigger coincidence?

Aimee Polson 6 years, 2 months ago

Maybe this has been said already, but when you are a first time voter in Kansas, you do have to prove who you are.

bad_dog 6 years, 2 months ago

"acorn = obama =fraud"Acorn = the typically ovoid fruit or nut of an oak, enclosed at the base by a cupule.Fraud = deception or trickeryObama = The next POTUS

feeble 6 years, 2 months ago

It is worth noting that allegations of voter fraud in New Mexico are not new. This came up in 2004, and led to US Attorney David Iglesias launching a two year investigation into voter fraud in NM. After investigating 100 alleged instances of voter fraud, Iglesias was unable to find evidence of criminal activity, and did not see any indictments for voter fraud. This lead to Iglesias being fired by then AG Gonzales, at the behest of Republican policy makers in the state and at the White House. A review of the matter released by the US Department of Justice Inspector General in October 2008 found that Iglesias firing had been politically motivated.http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/s0809a/final.pdf

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

"What did Gore lose by in FL, 507 votes?"Actually, the most accurate counts available indicate that he won by at least 50,000 votes.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

"According to this, some form of ID is required for first-time registrants, at least in Douglas County."It's federal law from the Help America Vote Act of 2002.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

It's pretty well established by now that the Republican Party considers any vote cast for a Democrat as "voter fraud." We can expect to see lots more allegations such as this one as Republicans desperately throw sh*t against the wall, hoping something will stick so that they can use it to salvage something from the beating they are about to take at the polls.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

A consortium of news organizations carefully analyzed the ballots of Florida for the 2000 election. Their findings were that it was equally likely that Gore won the election, but they were very conservative in their analysis. They didn't consider thes facts as described by Greg Palast--http://www.gregpalast.com/florida-by-the-numbersal-gore-won-florida-in-2000-by-77000-votes/"Here's how to estimate the effect of spoilage on the election outcome. For fun, let's take Florida 2000. We know from comparison of census tracts to precincts that 54% of the 179,855 ballots "spoiled" were cast by African-American voters, that is, 97,000 of the total.Every poll put the Black vote in Florida for Al Gore at over 90%. Reasonably assuming "spoiled" ballots matched the typical racial preferences, Gore lost more than 87,000 votes in the spoilage pile. Less than 10% of the African-American population voted for Mr. Bush, i.e. Bush lost no more than 10,000 votes to spoilage. The net effect: Gore had a plurality of at least 77,000 within the uncounted ballots cast by Black citizens.OK, then, what about "Non-Black" voters, whose votes made up the remaining 46% of the spoilage pile? Well, frankly, you can ignore these, as these voters split their vote somewhat evenly between Gore and Bush. Sticklers wanting a closer exam would note that Gore probably won a majority of these votes as well. Moreover, the only large group of spoiled votes in a wealthy white county occurred in Palm Beach (due to "butterfly" ballots), a rare, rich white group of strongly Democratic voters."

BigDog 6 years, 2 months ago

I am just hoping that the Democrats are going to do everything to let military votes be counted in this election.

notajayhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says: "Aside from the jail term, what's the incentive for anyone to vote 25 times, nota?"The final election returns are in, and boohoozo wins for the absolute stupidest question of the century. Even for the clown, that was a pretty moronic thing to ask.***duplenty (Anonymous) says: "...and these same (or fake) people then showing up to vote - its never happened."And those quarters under your pillow when you lost a tooth really were left there by the tooth fairy, sceneb... - er, duplenty.******artful_dodger (Anonymous) says: "Maybe this has been said already, but when you are a first time voter in Kansas, you do have to prove who you are."I believe the requirement is met if the person (supposedly) shows ID at the time of registration.

MeAndFannieLou 6 years, 2 months ago

The only specific charge against ACORN that I have heard is that some of the workers are filling out the forms with fictitious names and addresses in order to make more money. Now even if this is true, how the hell are those fictitious people going to show up at the polls and cast fraudulent ballots? These are people who don't exist, for pity's sake!Sounds to me like the Repubs are just throwing out accusations and making up numbers ("57 known communists in Congress!") knowing that nothing can be proved or disproved by November 4th, and that the press rarely follows up on these stories anyway.~Sick and tired of it!

MeAndFannieLou 6 years, 2 months ago

http://www.douglas-county.com/depts/cl/ve/docs/pdf/voterreg_app.pdfAccording to this, some form of ID is required for first-time registrants, at least in Douglas County.

TheOriginalCA 6 years, 2 months ago

blue73harley (Anonymous) says: I am glad the FBI is investigating it. But of course, everyone knows the FBI has been infiltrated with Republican sympathizers ;-)==========================That must be why the FBI had all of those files on Republicans and their constituents during the Clinton Regime and wouldn't release them.

preebo 6 years, 2 months ago

How is it that we hear nothing of the purging of voter registration logs in Democratic heavy districts in states like Montana (where it has since been dismissed based on findings of no evidence of fraud), New Jersey, and Ohio by the RNC and various state and county republican party groups? This is a serious issue that has been left off the pages of our newspapers.

Roadkill_Rob 6 years, 2 months ago

I guess the right wing knows how it feels now. I love it when neocons get a taste of their own medicine and then cry about it.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

Aside from the jail term, what's the incentive for anyone to vote 25 times, nota?

Flap Doodle 6 years, 2 months ago

"Even when there were political machines stuffing the ballot boxes (Pendergast in KC, Papa Daly in Chicago) it was hardly a secret- the machines just controlled everything that went on in the city, so it wasn't going to be challenged."And the O'dude got along very well with the current Daly administration, didn't he?

Flap Doodle 6 years, 2 months ago

If something walks like a duck & swims like a duck & quacks like a duck, it probably ain't a chickadee.Will the widespread violation of federal laws wind up with ACORN conspirators going to the cross-bar hotel? Stay tuned.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

The county clerk mails a voter registration card to the address of the voter. If the card is returned to them, the registration is cancelled.Does this leave open the possibility that someone could commit voter fraud? Sure. But there is still no clear motivation for anyone to do so, and even if you want to claim that the motivation is to affect the outcome of an election, this would require a large number of fraudulent votes, which would be easily detectable, which is the case in almost all conspiracy theories.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

The problem eight years ago, and even now, is not "fraudulent voting," something for which there is absolutely no evidence of happening in any significant way, anywhere in recent years (you have to go back to the days of machine politics to find any.)But what HAS happened is the disenfranchisement of hundreds of thousands of voters, by either preventing them from voting or preventing their votes from being counted. In some areas, there is evidence that Democrats have been guilty of this, but by far this is a case of Rovian Republicans doing everything they can to keep people who will likely vote the "wrong way" from casting votes and/or having their votes counted.To pull this off requires very close elections (which is why Republicans have campaigned primarily on very divisive issues over the last few election cycles) but it appears that the impending landslide will make it difficult for them to steal another election this time around.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

"The final election returns are in, and boohoozo wins for the absolute stupidest question of the century."Clearly nota can't answer the question. Why? because there is no good answer to it. But nota never let basic facts and logic get in the way of wild assertions.

SMe 6 years, 2 months ago

Ahhhhhh, duplenty, you might want to check the history of Chicago electioneering......I'd be little hesitant to use the word "never" when it comes to padding votes or voters.

jafs 6 years, 2 months ago

I'd like to see the stories about Republican officials who are sending students incorrect and frightening information about what might happen if they register to vote.Is there something wrong with what ACORN (or it's employees) is doing? Maybe so.Is there something wrong with what the Republicans are doing? Definitely.It appears very few of us actually believe in democracy - ie. that all should participate equally in voting to ensure a representative outcome.One thing that is very clear - Republicans are afraid of young people and the traditionally disenfranchised, understanding quite well that these groups will not generally vote Republican.

Confrontation 6 years, 2 months ago

I'm guessing they're only looking at registered Democrats. All the Jose's and Pedro's being paid for their votes by the RNC aren't being questioned.

MeAndFannieLou 6 years, 2 months ago

Well I'm pretty sure that I couldn't just put "Fannie Lou Hamer" on a registration form and get Fannie Lou's name on the voter rolls that way. I think the county clerk runs some kind of check before voter registration is approved, and before the name is put on the rolls.Register early, Vote in every election!

kansas778 6 years, 2 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says: The hysteria over ACORN is merely exhibit A of the Republicans' class warfare against poor people, especially those of color.********Yeah! It's not voter fraud if you are poor or a minority and vote "the right way." At least according to bozo.

notajayhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says: "Clearly nota can't answer the question. Why? because there is no good answer to it. But nota never let basic facts and logic get in the way of wild assertions."Clearly any idiot would already know the answer to the question of what the incentive for fraudulent voting is, boohoozo.Scratch that - apparently any idiot but one bus riding clown. Someone moronic enough to even repeat it: "But there is still no clear motivation for anyone to do so...""this would require a large number of fraudulent votes"You mean like the huge 537 vote margin (0.009% of votes cast in Florida - that's less than 1 in 10,000) that decided the 2000 presidential election, boohoozo?Or how about this?http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/kirsanow200505241034.aspAmong other tidbits from that story:"The Seattle Times reports that more than 700 provisional ballots were counted in King County without first verifying voter eligibility. A King County assistant election superintendent has testified that he instructed staff to count unverified ballots."[Gregoire 'won' by 129 votes.]******couranna1 (Anonymous) says: "obama has won idiots"Yes, he certainly does seem to have won them over.

bad_dog 6 years, 2 months ago

"class warfare?Spoken like a true communist."-KoolaidHEMPSTEAD, N.Y. -- Sen. John McCain defiantly declared his independence from President Bush in the final debate of the presidential campaign Wednesday as he fired off attack after attack on Democratic opponent Sen. Barack Obama's qualifications, his associations and his economic policies that he denounced as class warfare.How dare you accuse an American hero of being a communist?

notajayhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Ohh, boohoozo's been busy! (Still hasn't said much of anything, of course.)"Apparently, that idiot must be you. Why are you keeping it to yourself?"There only seems to be one idiot here, boohoozo, who has asked - repeatedly - what the incentive for voter fraud would be."You mean the one that Gore actually won?"Ooh, I'll have to add another passage to the clown_rants_from_bus primer:- If the SCOTUS upholds the statutes and forces a state to follow their election law in Florida in 2000, it's stealing the election. - And when the Supreme Court upholds Indiana's voter ID laws, it's disenfranchising legitimate voters.- But if the same court tells Ohio that they don't have to verify suspicious voter registrations, it was, of course, a proper ruling defending the rights of democracy.boohoozo, there is no possible way of recounting the votes where Gore won without including over-votes, which have never, ever been acceptable in any election. If you want to try to re-write history, you could at least try to make it plausible."The Seattle situation looks like an overwhelmed staff trying to deal (very poorly) with inadequate software to me, but I guess any supporter of the Republican Party would jump on any potential diversion given their extreme obsession over the last decade or more over the suppression of voters who may oppose them."What part of "A King County assistant election superintendent has testified that he instructed staff to count unverified ballots" are you having a hard time with, boohoozo? Seems like being forced to hand count unverified ballots that otherwise might have been rejected makes for more work, not less.Speaking of the proof you keep asking for, boohoozo, where is the proof that anyone's votes have been 'suppressed' by voter ID laws? Oh, wait, that's right, there isn't any - just more boohoozo fecal matter being flung around.http://www.heritage.org/research/LegalIssues/cda07-04.cfm"In general, respondents in photo identification and non-photo identification states are just as likely to report voting compared to respondents from states that only required voters to state their name."

RKLOG 6 years, 2 months ago

Might be a good time to say "oops!".

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

"OK Moron, then it is illegal to sign up ficticious names. According to the voter fraud provisions in the act, it is illegal."Well, genius, it's also the law in nearly every state that ALL voter registrations collected must be turned in. Which means it's up to the local county clerks or their equivalent to verify any registrations that are turned in."Something the Ohio Sec of State (the Democratic Version of Kathrine Harris) is NOT doing, and by doing so is violating this act."That's your unsupported assertion. And if she were actually the "Katherine Harris," or perhaps the "Ken Blackwell," her predecessor in Ohio, then she would be Barack Obama's top campaign official in the state. Fortunately, only Republicans are that blatantly corrupt.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 2 months ago

""According to this, some form of ID is required for first-time registrants, at least in Douglas County."It's federal law from the Help America Vote Act of 2002."OK Moron, then it is illegal to sign up ficticious names. According to the voter fraud provisions in the act, it is illegal.http://www.fec.gov/hava/law_ext.txtYou idiots do not even read the laws.Sec. 241 (b) (3); Methods of voter registration, maintaining secure and accurate lists of registered voters (including the establishment of a centralized, interactive, statewide voter registration list linked to relevant agencies and all polling sites), and ensuring that registered voters appear on the voter registration list at the appropriate polling site."Something the Ohio Sec of State (the Democratic Version of Kathrine Harris) is NOT doing, and by doing so is violating this act.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

"The Seattle Times reports that more than 700 provisional ballots were counted in King County without first verifying voter eligibility. A King County assistant election superintendent has testified that he instructed staff to count unverified ballots."Are you claiming that this was some sort of conspiracy? By whom, and what was their goal?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

The only thing that can ever really be discerned from you posts, nota, is that your neck veins are popping.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

The Seattle situation looks like an overwhelmed staff trying to deal (very poorly) with inadequate software to me, but I guess any supporter of the Republican Party would jump on any potential diversion given their extreme obsession over the last decade or more over the suppression of voters who may oppose them. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002280433_election19m.html

BigPrune 6 years, 2 months ago

Why is it you have to show your driver's license to cash a check, but if you vote - you just give them your name?If someone registers with a fake name and a real address they could vote again, right?

madameX 6 years, 2 months ago

""Fox-Young said several of the suspect voters were registered by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now""Several? That's, like, three right? And what about the other 25 that weren't registered by ACORN?Hardly a vast conspiracy.

commuter 6 years, 2 months ago

I really do not understand why you do not have to show ID to vote.What happens if I go to vote and the records already showed someone voted for me, what is my recourse?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

"Yeah! It's not voter fraud if you are poor or a minority and vote "the right way." At least according to bozo."So does that mean you have actual proof of voter fraud that has had a significant effect on the outcome of an election (presumably by a minority voting the "wrong way?"

texburgh 6 years, 2 months ago

Oh my God! Roger Pine tried to vote in New Mexico???!!!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

"Clearly any idiot would already know the answer to the question of what the incentive for fraudulent voting is, boohoozo."Apparently, that idiot must be you. Why are you keeping it to yourself?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

"You mean like the huge 537 vote margin (0.009% of votes cast in Florida - that's less than 1 in 10,000) that decided the 2000 presidential election, boohoozo?"You mean the one that Gore actually won?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 2 months ago

" You and your ilk don't want an election,"If that were the case, then I'd be very happy with the efforts of the Republican Party to do away with them.

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