Archive for Sunday, November 30, 2008

Transit leaders invite public input

November 30, 2008


Now that they have the public’s commitment to spend money, transportation leaders are seeking Lawrence residents’ ideas for combining the community’s two largest transit systems.

Officials from the city of Lawrence and Kansas University will convene two open houses next month to collect public input for combining the T and KU on Wheels:

• 4:30 p.m. to 7 p.m. Dec. 9 in the Big 12 Room at the Kansas Union, 1301 Jayhawk Blvd. Free parking will be allowed during the meeting at the adjacent Mississippi Street parking garage. By bus, the union is accessible from any KU on Wheels route or by using the T’s route 8.

• 3:30 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. Dec. 11 in the auditorium at the Lawrence Public Library, 707 Vt. The library is accessible using several routes on the T, and is a two-block walk from a stop on KU on Wheels’ route 25.

The events will give organizers an opportunity to gather input on key issues, including route planning and scheduling; vehicle options; the mission of transit in the community; policies; service areas; and strengths and weaknesses of current transit systems.

The open houses will not include formal presentations. Participants will be able to ask questions of organizers, and then will be asked to complete worksheets designed to gather input to help guide efforts to combine and improve the two systems.

Beginning Wednesday, members of the public will be able to submit comments online at

People will be able to fill out worksheets at the site beginning Dec. 9.

The deadline for completing surveys for initial public input is Jan. 9.


Danimal 9 years, 4 months ago

Dumb, lets find a way to render the KU on wheels program, that does exactly what it is intended to do efficiently, and combine it with a city bus system has historically been anything but efficient. I guess it's a case of envy, the city needs to feel important, and wrecking KU's transit system is the easiest way right now.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 4 months ago

Sore loser, danimal? Instead of just whining, why not go to the meeting and do your part in seeing that the system really gets improved?

Danimal 9 years, 4 months ago

Guess what Bozo, the KU system operates as its users (who also pay for the service) intended it to. I really don't care about the T, but I do care about the city mucking around in student business and seeking to render their transit system largely ineffective. KU On Wheels didn't just pop up out of the ground one day, it was put together over a lot of years by a lot of good people putting in some long hours. I don't have a problem with the two systems deconflicting their routes or working together, but I think a merger is ridiculous.And Bozo, I will go to that meeting, provided I can get off work.

bearded_gnome 9 years, 4 months ago

its very extremely rare that I agree with the ranting clown on some bus. but:Danimal and other critics, these meetings have one goal of precisely improving efficiency/ridership for the city's routes. first step to find out what values, what needs, people want the system to address. this is the first step to fix some of the very problems you and others have noted. can't fix routes unless we have some idea of what success should look like. right now, T fixed route schedule discourages convenience/casual riders. it takes far too long to get across town. and, routes are not easy for potential users to conceptualize; that is, the current schedule makes it needlessly hard to know when your bus comes. so instead buses need to run on 30-minute or 60-minute schedules so you know every hour when the bus(es) go by, at the same time(s) each hour. fix these, and I believe ridership will go up dramatically.

Thinking_Out_Loud 9 years, 4 months ago

Hear, hear! Go to the meetings and make your voice heard and your opinions known!! If you're unhappy about the way the T works, do something about it!

TheStig 9 years, 4 months ago

Just what incentive do they have? They will get paid whether you like it or not. A waste of time really.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 4 months ago

OK, that's a much more informative position, danimal.I don't really see a need for a full merger, either. But the two systems can complement each other to the benefit of riders of each system. The leaders of KU on Wheels know this; otherwise, talks of merger or quasi-merger wouldn't be happening.The university system covers the core needs of students fairly adequately, but they can't cover the entire city, and there is a large number of students who need access to all parts of the city. The KU system also doesn't run during breaks, which over the course of the year amounts to downtime of several weeks, and a very large percentage of students live here full time.The city system, by federal statutes governing the federal grants they receive, have to cover the entire city, but don't have the funding to run the required routes with a frequency of less than 40 minutes between buses, which discourages ridership. Closely coordinating, if not an outright merger of, the two systems solves problems for each that they couldn't solve separately.

Thinking_Out_Loud 9 years, 4 months ago

Good grief, TheStig. If you're not going to be part of the solutions, at least stop complaining about the problems. You have a chance to get involved and tell them what you think needs to happen to improve service. And if you don't like the results, go to the City Commission. And if you don't like ~THOSE~ results, get different candidates to run for (and help them get elected) in the next election.It's a little thing that in this country we like to call "citizenship."

TheStig 9 years, 4 months ago

Seriously, what incentive does the empTy have to improve? Do better or you'll go bankrupt and lose your jobs?? Cut the waste or we will cut your pay??? Improve or we will fire you and hire someone better???? Get real, they have cushy government subsidized jobs and get paid no matter how poorly they do and this is website is a complete waste of time.The purpose of the empTy is to deliver customers to the doorstep of greedy downtown merchants and the empTy even does that poorly. So, you want more riders? Pay people to ride, give them free food, free drugs, or hire strippers and turn them into party buses. If you want to improve the service how about charging the riders what it cost to provide the service then let those that pay to ride tell you what they want.

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