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History needs time to assess Bush
November 20, 2008
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Now that we know what the near future might look like, it may be worthwhile to ponder how the past will appear.
All eyes now are on President-elect Barack Obama as he prepares for power. But the more instructive exercise may be to examine what President George W. Bush will look like a generation or more after he leaves power in January.
The fact that the president was all but invisible at Republican congressional and senatorial rallies and barely appeared at John McCain’s side this fall is a potent measure of the disrepute in which Bush is held — and of the steep hill he has to climb if he is ever to claim historical redemption. But all chief executives leave office knowing that their reputations in history often have little to do with contemporary views of their presidencies.
Stature can grow
John Adams was the only early president to fail to win a second term until his son also achieved that distinction; today he is regarded among some historians as a pillar of probity and judgment. Dwight Eisenhower left office with people saying that if Americans wanted a golfer in the White House they should have elected Ben Hogan; now the 34th president is regarded as a shrewd wielder of power and people, the master of the “hidden-hand presidency.”
On Election Day 2008, even as Americans were going to the polls in record numbers to repudiate the eight years of Bush, The Wall Street Journal ran not one but two pieces that referred to the revisionist view of Herbert Hoover, long regarded as the founding father of the Great Depression and as the high priest of stubborn American individualism. The Herbert Hoover birthplace in West Branch, Iowa, is a lonely place, especially on a windy plains afternoon, and Hoover remains one of the great punching bags in American civic life and on the cabaret comedy circuit. But in recent years, some historians have acknowledged that some of Hoover’s efforts to fight the economic crisis were precursors to the New Deal, not impediments to Franklin Roosevelt’s battle plan.
McCullough magic
In all of American history, no man may be a more successful rehabilitator of presidential reputations than David McCullough, who first rescued Harry S Truman and then, in perhaps an even more difficult accomplishment, pulled John Adams from the recycling box of history.
“I was very interested in the individual man, the personality, the character, the quality of mind and the quality of resilience, keeping a clear eye on the mission,” says McCullough. “The best presidents have all had a strong sense of history and saw themselves as not being just judged by tomorrow’s headlines and polls.”
So is there hope for George W. Bush, whose approval ratings on Election Day were around 20 percent, the lowest ever for a president, according to the CBS News tracking poll?
Obama may determine legacy
The answer: Maybe. The ironic reason why: Bush’s place in history may depend on how well President Obama performs.
Obama has no use for Bush, as we saw in a year of brutal campaigning against the Bush record, the Bush persona, the Bush philosophy. But if Obama withdraws American troops from a more tranquil, if not exactly serene, Iraq, then historians may say he was able to do so because of the success of the Bush surge. If Obama stabilizes the Middle East, historians may say the ground was prepared by Bush’s resolve in eliminating Saddam Hussein from power. If Obama brings some order to the financial markets and some confidence to American consumers, historians may credit the dramatic action undertaken by Bush and Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr.
There is no question that Bush faces an arduous climb toward presidential rehabilitation. The model may be Truman, who was reviled at the end of his term. Today he is a folk hero and a byword for presidential character.
Bush has professed little interest in how history regards him, just as he professed little interest in his public-approval ratings. But he is from a family with a history — his grandfather was a Republican senator from Connecticut, his father a member of the House, a diplomat in Beijing, the director of Central Intelligence, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, chief American delegate to the United Nations, a two-term vice president and a one-term president.
“The main factor is time,” says McCullough. “Some 50 years have to pass. You have to wait for the dust to settle. You have to see what follows them. You need information to come to the fore that isn’t available in contemporary times. It’s very hard to judge how presidents will be evaluated.”
Bush plainly knows this. No man lives in a house redolent with history and makes decisions that will live in history without recognizing the caprice and ultimate justice of history. And remember, at Yale Bush majored in ... history.
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…
His historical reputation will depend on who ends up writing history— if it's written by warmongers, corporate/economic elitists and apologists for de facto fascism, then he may well be “rehabilitated.”
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Ragingbear (Anonymous) says…
It doesn't really matter. He is a traitor to this country. He should be tried for high treason.
20 November 2008
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…
The irony is Bush got BO elected and in turn BO will make Bush a hero. BO, San Fran Nan, and Harry “This war is lost” Reid will be handed thei *sses on a platter by America in four years.The corrupt liberal media will be taking jobs at schoolbook publishing companies as copy editors or working the window at Taco Bell.
20 November 2008
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AjiDeGallina (Anonymous) says…
Nancy boy,You may be right, but I do not think so. One thing is sure, however, they can not create any bigger mess than the GOP did in the last 8 years.The reason it will take time to assess bush as president is because it will take years to inventory the destruction and devistation he has caused America.
20 November 2008
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jason2007 (Anonymous) says…
AjiDeGallina wrote:”One thing is sure, however, they can not create any bigger mess than the GOP did in the last 8 years.”Give me a break. You guys think the current state of affairs is the bottom of the barrel? How about a Dow at 3,000? How about another terrorist attack? How about an oil embargo on us by all OPEC nations making gasoline run at $10 per gallon? How about more business failures and hundreds of thousands of additional jobs lost?It always amazes me to see people speak in terms of “absolutes” and you are putting on quite a show.
20 November 2008
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
The people with the attention span of a may-fly have already made up their minds. In a couple of centuries, BDS will die down, I hope.
20 November 2008
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Solomon (Anonymous) says…
just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says… “His historical reputation will depend on who ends up writing history— if it's written by warmongers, corporate/economic elitists and apologists for de facto fascism, then he may well be 'rehabilitated.'”On the other hand, if it's written by left-leaning college professors, former terrorists, and apologists for de facto socialism, then he may not be so readily “rehabilitated.”(See how easy it is?)
20 November 2008
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…
Spoken like a true warmonger and apologist for defacto socialism, solomon. Not sure if you're one of the corporate/economic elite, or just a wannabe.
20 November 2008
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…
Correction, should have been “apologist for de facto fascism.”
20 November 2008
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powershopper (Anonymous) says…
The author of this editorial junk is delusional. His loose comparison of W to Dwight Eisenhower or John Adams is beyond rediculous. He should have mentioned that Adams and Eisenhower found their place in history not as President, but as a founding father of the United States and Supreme Commander of Allied forced in World War II respectively. I mean come on, Adam's wrote the Declaration of Independence for God's sake! More junk from the Urinal World!
20 November 2008
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
Psst, bozo, say “running dogs of capitalism”.
20 November 2008
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…
Psst, bozo, say “running dogs of capitalism”.Is that your preferred term of endearment, snap?
20 November 2008
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xbusguy (Anonymous) says…
History Needs Time To Assess Bush…………I don't !!
20 November 2008
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jason2007 (Anonymous) says…
@Powershopper: Adams helped write the Declaration of Independence — Jefferson was the primary author with most massaging done at the direction of Franklin.I think the editorialist's point is that these presidents are examples of people who left office with a very high disapproval but ended up being respected by history. As with most everything, the taste improves with age.
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powershopper (Anonymous) says…
Jason — Adams actually scribed the Declaration of Independence, e.g. pen to paper, with the guidance of both Franklin and Jefferson. But we don't need to get caught up in the details….right?
20 November 2008
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…
History is already assessing That Guy That The Corrupt Liberal Media Has Been Infatuated With, Barack Obama. Seems Rasmussen says 1 out of 5 say they strongly disapprove of Obama, and he's two months from being sworn in. Well, it's not all bad news, about 40% say they strongly approve, and he's not even sworn in yet.
20 November 2008
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…
“Seems Rasmussen says 1 out of 5 say they strongly disapprove of Obama, and he's two months from being sworn in. “Likely the same folks, (including you, Tom?) who still approve of Bush.
20 November 2008
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classclown (Anonymous) says…
powershopper (Anonymous) says…Jason — Adams actually scribed the Declaration of Independence, e.g. pen to paper, with the guidance of both Franklin and Jefferson. But we don't need to get caught up in the details….right?============================Apparently not if you're wrong.I mean really… You make a false statement twice and then say “Let's not sweat the details”?
20 November 2008
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BABBOY (Anonymous) says…
I have tough time taking seriously anyone that posts 50 times a day or defends George W. Bush. I always assume they are unemployed or something to be able to post that many times on something (Marion and Nancy Boy for example). But, I guess they could just be like me and work their butts off and post just to blow steam when they have a break. But, posting 10 times before noon ……By the way, Bush's dad was a good president. His son George W was spoiled little rich boy that avoided the war by joining the NG, drank too much, and did an insane amount of Cocaine. Heck, other then the illegal activity, he is probably a fun guy to go to a ball game with. But, he became president in part because of his dad's name and in a larger part because he sold his soul to the Religious Right. I do not think he has original thought and just runs off their script provided to him by the nutty religious guys. He put his little buddies into to many offices of power. Hence, he screwed up on Katrina, the War, and the Economy and about everything else. I do not see how anyone could defend the guy and expect me to believe them on any issue. McCain correctly distanced himself from Bush. But, hey, the more nutty you guys act, the more we democrats will put in office.So, go for it man.
20 November 2008
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
mooch the W legacy will be he was one of the worse if not the worst president in our history. And yet there's a 20% or so or right wingers who are too ignorant to see that.
20 November 2008
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
The LGBT community and the anti-war folks are starting to see the O'dude's clay feet.Who goes under the bus next?
20 November 2008
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feeble (Anonymous) says…
History is strange. Look at Woodrow Wilson. That guy was a warmonger, authorizing invasion of both Mexico and Latin America several times during his presidency. He also was a documented racist. Wilson refused to receive official delegations from African nations at the White House, and segregated the executive branch of government, but gets stellar treatment in the history books because of his failed League of Nations and late entry into WW1.
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jprich (Anonymous) says…
Disregarding the comical and purely speculative posts written by Moocher and Nancy Boy that don't contain much evidence, the bigger point to be made is that history isn't ever static. One of the things this article should have done was look at presidents who left office in high esteem but lost popularity as time progressed. Or an even better example would be Andrew Johnson, Lincoln's successor and the first president impeached in office. He left office with a very low opinion (gallup polls were not around yet), gained some popularity during the 1920s (mostly because of his racial policies and the growing influence of the Klan), and now his reputation is once again floundering. This has happened with other presidents, mostly controversial ones, and it will almost certainly happen with Bush. He'll possibly have some higher approval ratings and he'll get lower marks at other times, constantly shifting, which is what history is always doing.
20 November 2008
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MeAndFannieLou (Anonymous) says…
History will need time to assess Bush because it will take a lot of time for all of his crimes to come to light.
20 November 2008
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
Support the preemptive impeachment of the O'dude! Don't wait until it's too late. Do it for the children.
20 November 2008
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powershopper (Anonymous) says…
Classclown — Ooops. You are right. Jefferson wrote the document and Adams was part of the committee which drafted the document. Mea culpa. None the less….we don't need to get caught up in the details right?
20 November 2008
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
snap, are you now a clone of kevin's? his kind of thinking
20 November 2008
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
ODS means not having to think. Eight years of observing people with BDS showed me that.
20 November 2008
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rachaelisacancer (Anonymous) says…
Larry_The_Moocher (Anonymous) says… Bush's legacy will be one that kept us safe, and on that was not afraid to confront our enemies head on.–––––––––––––––––––—And I bet you were one of those people who waved a bunch of flags and screamed, “We will never forget” after 9/11, weren't you? How quickly you have forgotten.
20 November 2008
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Liberty_One (Anonymous) says…
Larry_the_moocher—what you fail to grasp is that WE are the bully of the world.
20 November 2008
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Liberty_One (Anonymous) says…
History needs time to assess BushI don't need time—F
20 November 2008
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scott3460 (Anonymous) says…
F-Worst ever. As noted above, how many of his crimes, treasons and misdemeanors will come to light over the next 50 years? What in God's name will people look back and say he did well on? The last eight years have been a fantasy of corporate media propaganda covering for and excusing this pathetic, criminal admnistration. Fifty years of scrutiny and daylight on their misdeeds will not create a more favorable view.
20 November 2008
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jaywalker (Anonymous) says…
Saw this headline and uttered, “Cheese and rice!”, aloud to myself. This one'll remain on site for days……………I would say that both books by McCullough, on Truman and Adams, were brilliant if not exhausting reads. I would also say that the only President in my lifetime that's left office nearly as popular as when he entered was Clinton. He's the exception to the rule as most are ridiculed and reviled during and after, with few wanting to admit they actually voted for each man. History may bear out successes this administration had, since as McCullough points out there's a lot of info that isn't available at present. But I doubt many from this generation will ever regard him with much more than disdain. There's too much bad taste left in the mouth to ever forget.
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rooster (Anonymous) says…
Who need to wait:washington (cnn) – The Republican Party has hit a new low.Just 34 percent of Americans in a Gallup Poll released Thursday say they have a favorable view of the party, down 40 percent from a month ago, before the election.What’s worse: 61 percent of Americans have an unfavorable view of the Republican PartyShake and Motherf@#$%^& Bake!
20 November 2008
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rooster (Anonymous) says…
Koolaid (Anonymous) says… Grade: AShould have a fifth bust carved at Mount Rushmore. He will be remembered as the last great president.Heres to Rating Koolaid:Grade: Z-We should rewrite history to include Koolaid as a the leader of quantrills raid.Koolaids Raid. Has a nice ring to it. You will go down as the last GREAT short bus rider.
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scott3460 (Anonymous) says…
“What’s worse: 61 percent of Americans have an unfavorable view of the Republican PartyShake and Motherf@#$%^& Bake!”More to the point, it is long past time for reasonable, thoughtful and intelligent Republicans (yes, there are such folks) to cleanse their party of the kooks that have been increasingly in control.
20 November 2008
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jkilgore (Anonymous) says…
For anyone to call the Liberals corrupt as Nancy boy has done is hysterical. Bush will always stand for secrecy, corruption, and incompetence. If anything, history will judge him about the way we judge Hoover. Utter Failure. That is his legacy. Stick to the facts. Nancy boy, you can call names. I'm talking about policy, cowardice, and dishonesty that is a matter of public record.
20 November 2008
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…
Since when did today's looney-left give a flying fig about morals and the law?
20 November 2008
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…
Me. It's all about me. That's the most salient thought of a loon.
20 November 2008
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
tom, you're getting shrill. you lost, get over it. jan 21 will be a new beginning. within the 8 years Obama will serve, probably a small amount of W's damages can be reversed. and then the next Democrat president will continue Obama's policies to continue this reversal.
20 November 2008
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gccs14r (Anonymous) says…
400 years from now, the U.S. will be a study of a former nation-state that had every advantage, but squandered it in a failed attempt to control the world. It will be just another in a long line of collapsed empires.
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jaywalker (Anonymous) says…
“More to the point, it is long past time for reasonable, thoughtful and intelligent Republicans (yes, there are such folks) to cleanse their party of the kooks that have been increasingly in control.”:Scotty! Where ya been? Agree with your above statement. Republicans should be re-organizing everything. Their number one sin has been lack of leadership and absence of initiatve. They deserve the butt whoopin' they got November 4th.
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AjiDeGallina (Anonymous) says…
Bush is the most failed president in history, perhaps that is why his approval ratings is lower than Nixon's when he resigned.
20 November 2008
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…
History will be much kinder to GWB than it will be to BO.
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AjiDeGallina (Anonymous) says…
From CNN Political Producer Peter HambyA new poll out Thursday paints a bleak picture for the gop.washington (cnn) – The Republican Party has hit a new low.Just 34 percent of Americans in a Gallup Poll released Thursday say they have a favorable view of the party, down 40 percent from a month ago, before the election.What’s worse: 61 percent of Americans have an unfavorable view of the Republican Party.According to Gallup, that unfavorable rating is the highest the polling organization has recorded for the GOP since the measure was established in 1992.The poll of national adults was conducted on November 13-16 with a three percent margin of error.The numbers are slightly up from a CNN poll released last week that indicated a 54 percent unfavorable rating for Republicans. Only 38 percent of those polled had a favorable rating for the party.Meanwhile, Democrats continue to bask in the glow of President-elect Barack Obama’s historic victory on November 4. The Gallup poll suggests that 55 percent of Americans hold a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party, with 39 percent saying they have an unfavorable view. Those numbers are mostly unchanged from a mid-October survey.
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Haiku_Cuckoo (Anonymous) says…
I used to think Bush was entirely bad. And then I read these articles:http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2003/may/28/disasterresponse.faminehttp://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717934,00.html
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rooster (Anonymous) says…
To be entirely fair GWB has in RECENT years taken an interest in africa and its issues. Even by any standard of averages he had to do something right in 8 years. In my opinion he is still only right 3% of the time and that may be giving him some credit.
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Cooky_the_Cook (Anonymous) says…
Logrythmic….#10…. I hate the fratboy fuhrer, too, but you need to read about the Kyoto Protocol. No lawmaker ever voted in favor of it in the U.S. Nobody ever pulled out of it. Am I wrong about this? I just want honesty here, folks.
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JohnBrown (Anonymous) says…
History will judge GW not only on what he did, but for what he didn't do, and for what he still has time to do.People who are willing to sacrifice the Constitution for a modicum of “safety” are true cowards, and un-American. yet it is they who most frequently consider themselves 'patriots'. baloney.Bush has squandered our treasure, our blood, and our military; he has shredded the Constitution, and besmirched the good name of this country. GW has failed to uphold his oath of office: “to defend and protect the Constitution of the United states”.Look at him now, silent during a true financial meltdown…no leadership…just a “let the automakers go bankrupt” mentality. GW will be remembered as the modern-day equivalent of the Roman Emperor Commodus the son of Marcus Aurelius.GW can't leave office too soon.
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BigAl (Anonymous) says…
President Clinton handed over to President Bush a balanced budget, a peaceful nation, respect around the world, low unemployment and a thriving Wall Street. 8 years later, President Bush will hand over to President Obama two wars, a painfully stretched military, hate around the world, high unemployment, a HUGE budget deficit and an economy in the tank. The Bush/Cheney administration has been an utter disaster for our country.
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…
I find it astounding that someone can even write an article like this one. How enormously in denial does one have to be to not see the raving lunacy of this president. I want to brag that I never voted for him. I couldn't believe that people did vote for a fellow who was known to be incompetent and demonstrated that everytime he opened his mouth. His performance in the debates was so bad that the corrupt conservative media had to doctor all the observations to even try to make it seem like he made rational comments. His level of ignorance was beyond comprehension. Due to his tragic errors in leadership, the consequences may be so devastating that even the most biased of “journalists” and “authors” will not risk saying good things about him. I didn't think anyone could be worse than Reagan, but it turned out someone could surpass even him in world record style.
21 November 2008
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…
The Bush faithful are so afraid of admitting they really screwed up by supporting such a fool as Bush. They would probably move to Mexico if they heard he was running for president down there. Actually, that would be a good idea. Then we could get rid of all of the remaining deluded conservatives.
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…
Palin could run for Mexican vice president. She could take up hunting rattle snakes instead of moose and she would be closer to Nieman Marcus.
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…
Koolaid, what have you been drinking? The market has not been stable since Clinton left office. It has been up and down like a yo yo. Wages have been going down and unemployment has been going up. Does Bush care? Absolutely not. Even if he did, he wouldn't have a clue what to do. The only thing that he might consider is inviting a charlatan minister to pray. Again, I say delusions can be very complete for some people.