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Decline of bees topic of discussion

November 4, 2008

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A Wednesday discussion at Kansas University is set to focus on the impact of struggling populations of bees and other pollinators.

Chip Taylor, professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at KU, will lead a talk and discussion about the issue and how it could affect plant life.

Plants would be unable to reproduce if bees and other pollinating animals continue to decline. Taylor's discussion will focus on the impact that could have on both flora and fauna.

The free event is scheduled for 7 p.m. Wednesday at KU's Natural History Museum. It is open to the public.

Comments

Chris Golledge 6 years, 6 months ago

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6326020gr, The narrowness of your vision is breathtaking. What makes you think this is only a local problem? What about billions of dollars strikes you as non-industrial? Eat what you want, but don't say that none of the rest of us will be affected.

gr 6 years, 6 months ago

"If you're referring to monoculture food crops of industrial agriculture, "Was that implied in the article?By the way, what "monoculture food crops of industrial agriculture" would you be referring to which are pollinated by bees?It couldn't be corn, soybeans, wheat, oats, or sorgum to name the ones which readily come to mind.

gr 6 years, 6 months ago

Guys, I'm talking about the overweight, meat eating person isn't really going to be affected. As far as bozo being "factual", no one has yet to support that all (or most) of his list is part of "monoculture food crops of industrial agriculture".And I don't know what 4paz is whining about because it wasn't what bozo and I were talking about. Except for possibly, "Populations with diverse food choices survive easier." as inLook at what happened to the indians!I'm not talking about everyone isn't going to be affected, but that most aren't. Because the "monoculture food crops of industrial agriculture" which bozo speaks of are not bee pollinated. Most people do not eat very much of pollinated crops. Most people do not eat anything but packaged grain crops with added sugar along with their grain fed beef. Take away sugar, then there would be an effect.This is another Y2K, global warming, life is going to end scenario where the alarmists enjoy the call of alarm while others cash in on the hype and grants. Yes, if, and that is "IF" bees were to disappear, there would be a deterimental affect. However, nothing as been established they are going to disappear any more than polar bears are going to forget how to swim.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 6 months ago

"If this is mainly referring to honeybees, they are an imported exotic and plant life will get along just as fine as before the were introduced."If you're referring to wild plants and weeds of various sorts, you're right. If you're referring to monoculture food crops of industrial agriculture, which rely on these imported pollinators, you couldn't be more wrong.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 6 months ago

http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beeclass/pollinationlist.htmlBee Pollinated CropsFORAGE AND LEGUME:AlfalfaBuckwheat Clover (numerous varieties)Sweet clover (numerous varieties)Lespedeza (bush)TrefoilVetchesFRUIT CROPS:AppleApricotAvocadoBerry (blackberry, blueberry, cranberry, gooseberry, huckleberry, raspberry, strawberry)CaramboloCherryCitronCitrus (grapefruit, lemon, mandarin, nectarine, pummelo, tangelo, tangerine)CurrantsDewberryJujubeKiwiLitchiMangoMuskmelons (cantaloupe, casaba, crenshaw, honeyball, honeydew, persian melon)Passion FruitPeachPearsPersimmonPlumPruneWatermelonVEGETABLE CROPS:ArtichokeChinese cabbagePimentaAsparagusDillPumpkinBroccoliEggplantRadishBrussel sproutsGarlicRutabagaCabbageKaleSapoteCarrotsKolhrabiSquashCauliflowerLeekTurnipCeleriacMustardCeleryOnionChayoteParsleyChicoryPepperLima beansCollardsCucumberNUT CROPS:AlmondCoconutCacaoCoffeeCashewKola nutChestnutMacademiaOILSEED CROPS:CottonRapeSafflowerSoybeansSunflowerTungHERBS/SPICES:AnniseAllspiceChivesCinnamonCorianderFennelLavenderMintMustardNutmegOreganoOTHER:BerseemCicer milkvetchCut flower seedsLonganLotusNigerQuinineSainfoin

gr 6 years, 6 months ago

If this is mainly referring to honeybees, they are an imported exotic and plant life will get along just as fine as before the were introduced.It is claimed that the supposed so-called global warming is going to, for some reason, increase pests. As if they would be different than a few degrees south. Well, many pests are pollinators, too.You know, just a haunch, but I suspect grant money is involved here.

gr 6 years, 6 months ago

bozo, even with alfalfa, I never considered the crops you listed to be the "monoculture food crops of industrial agriculture".By the way, you listed soybeans. While they can be pollinated by bees, it is not necessary. Did you know that?Guess not many around Lawrence would be greatly affected. I mean, what percentage of those crops do YOU consume, which if were taken away, would really affect your life?How many "cut flower seeds" to you consume? How often do you gaze at a field of Sainfoin and consider it being part of "monoculture food crops of industrial agriculture".I'm making an assumption here, though maybe wrong, that you are not a vegetarian. If you are, then the question becomes of what amount of growers around Lawrence be affected? A very small total product percentage, I would assume.

jaywalker 6 years, 6 months ago

First time I've seen bozo actually fire back factually. Well done.

webmocker 6 years, 6 months ago

As a non-vegetarian, I eat about 50% of the food items on the "Bee Pollinated Crops" list from bozo. Apple turnovers, mmm.Chocolate mints, mmm.Pumpkin pie, mmm.

feeble 6 years, 6 months ago

gr, are you proposing hand or manual pollination? The reason bees (honey, alkali, leafcutter etc) are used for pollination is that they are, by orders of magnitude, more efficient pollinators.in event, Chip really does have an excellent command of the subject and is an engaging speaker. Definitely worth attending if you have even a passing interest in the subject.

4paz 6 years, 6 months ago

Personally I consume a lot of those products and grow some of them. I would be greatly disappointed if they disappeared. gr, did you know this isn't about the survival of the earth, it will continue. It's the survival of mankind. While, I realize that you probably don't care if it's not going to affect your life, but I have grandchildren, and will in the next 10 years, probably be a great grandmother. I feel like I have a lot to worry about. Populations with diverse food choices survive easier.

gr 6 years, 6 months ago

By the way, no one addressed the supposed increased pest idea.Learn about some different pollinators:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollinators'Save the world! Blue bottle flies are going to die and we won't be able to eat all our cut flower seeds!' (Funny, I don't recall anyone saying flies are going to die off....)I think this is a case of, there's a problem with honeybees, bees are bees, flowers are pollinated by bees, therefore life is going to cease, bait-switch-and-hype.In fact, besides honeybees, does anyone have any information on decline of any other pollinators?

SMe 6 years, 6 months ago

Kinda late on this topic. There were hardly any honeybees around here last year. Less than a dozen all year.There's been a "normal" number this year including some I've never seen before the black bee.

feeble 6 years, 6 months ago

"Guys, I'm talking about the overweight, meat eating person isn't really going to be affected."Yeah, except that most animal feed these days includes (besides corn) alfalfa, which is bee pollinated.

supertrampofkansas 6 years, 6 months ago

Gr,Well I hope you do attend the lecture Gr. Perhaps you can tell Chip that most of his research on bees is bogus and we would be fine without them. I would be curious to see what his response to you would be. I apologize in advance for this slight breach of etiquette but I triple-dog-dare you to do it Gr.

Chris Golledge 6 years, 6 months ago

More, and more recent, info here:http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8436'Commercial beehives pollinate over a third of [North}America's crops and that web of nourishment encompasses everything from fruits like peaches, apples, cherries, strawberries and more, to nuts like California almonds, 90 percent of which are helped along by the honeybees. Without this pollination, you could kiss those crops goodbye, to say nothing of the honey bees produce or the flowers they also fertilize'.Personally, I kind of like apples and oranges and I would be impacted if the supply declined.

gr 6 years, 6 months ago

Why? Sounds like you are admitting those two were not "highly concentrated monoculture crops on fields covering thousands of acres". So, if two adjacent ones from the bottom of the list are bogus, why should we believe many of the others are valid? You were pawning them all off as valid. Do we need to go through your list one by one? Do you even know? But, a better question, do you even care? Y2Krs don't care as long as something generates hype.

gr 6 years, 6 months ago

Guys, you are avoiding my point. You are completely missing it. I'm saying that NOT all on bozo's list are "monoculture food crops of industrial agriculture". I gave an example of "Cut flower seeds" being NOT among others.I ask what pollinators besides honeybees are declining and: cg22165 gives a link about honeybeestramp talks about honeybeesfeeble talks about honeybees (support for alfalfa in "most animal feed", would be in order. Also, "includes" is weak. Is it a requirement? Your implication that honeybees pollinate alfalfa needs some education: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlfalfaWhat about including red clover in animal feed instead?)No one has given support that non-honeybees have any problems. Why not? Because it's not out there?What can we conclude here, folks? This is going to go round and round. What about, not about honeybees, do you not understand? Figure that one out.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 6 months ago

It most definitely is about monoculture crops, gr. Sure, there are other pollinators in nature, but they aren't effective in pollinating highly concentrated monoculture crops on fields covering thousands of acres. That's why we have a beekeeping industry, and why this is of such concern.The "natural" pollinators would be more than adequate for a society of hunter/gatherers or subsistence farmers, but not for industrialized agriculture.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 6 months ago

Why, gr? The long list of such monoculture crops that precede them make it unnecessary.

gr 6 years, 6 months ago

bozo, could you please explain how, for example, Sainfoin and Quinine, fits in with your definition of "highly concentrated monoculture crops on fields covering thousands of acres"?

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