Digital switch means more HD
Our own Sunflower Broadband is going digital, but that won't necessarily mean waving goodbye to the past. Enlarge video
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Digital Transition
Where in the world is Matt Lauer?
Relax, Sunflower Broadband subscribers: The co-host of NBC's morning news program isn't going anywhere, at least when it comes to programming on the soon-to-be upgraded Lawrence-based cable system.
When Sunflower makes its switch to digital signals early Monday, even subscribers without digital capabilities still will be able to tune in to 37 analog channels.
The traditional way isn't going away.
"People can wake up and have their old TVs hooked up to their old cable service, and still be able to see the 'Today' show," said Rod Kutemeier, Sunflower's director of customer support and marketing. "Sunflower wants you to be able to still use your old TV."
The reassurance comes as Sunflower - which provides service in Lawrence, Basehor, Tonganoxie, Eudora, Linwood, western Wyandotte County and other areas in northeastern Kansas - makes its multimillion-dollar digital transition, as requested by the Federal Communications Commission.
And while virtually all of Sunflower's 33,000 customers - more than 90 percent, at last count - already are equipped to receive digital programming, company officials know some people won't want to change.
So even though sticking with an old analog TV and going without a digital TV box will mean missing out on many existing and new Sunflower features, the company is making sure 37 channels will remain available simply by sticking your same old cable into the back of your same old TV.
In such situations - often for second and third TV sets in a customer's home - Sunflower will take digital feeds and translate them back into analog. Among them will be all broadcast channels, including major network affiliates, plus Sunflower Broadband Channel 6, ESPN, Fox News, QVC, Disney, Food Network, The Weather Channel and others.
For customers already equipped for Sunflower's digital transition, including those who received some of the 15,000 free digital boxes distributed by the company late last year, changes taking effect Monday will include an expansion of service.
The number of high-definition channels, for example, will increase to 61, from 32, Kutemeier said. And more will be on the way.
Additional on-demand programming, pay-per-view offerings and other content also will be available early Monday morning for those who already have proper boxes, said Patrick Knorr, Sunflower's general manager.
"Most of our customers already are in very good position," said Knorr, who also is chief operating officer for The World Company, which owns Sunflower and the Journal-World. "This allows you to take advantage of all that the programmers are making available."
Because digital programming and services take up less room on the company's fiber-optic cable lines, Knorr said, there's more room available to provide more channels and services.
That also means some programming will be changing channels. The switches will begin at 12:01 Monday morning, and likely continue through 6 a.m.
Many of the channel changes are being conducted to make things easier to find, Kutemeier said, especially as it relates to high-definition programming. Standard-definition channels will correspond with the last two digits of their high-definition versions, where available.
Fox Sports will be at 36 for standard-definition, and 236 for high definition. ESPN will remain channel 33 for standard, but 233 for high definition.
Some channels on the 200 level will be left open, Kutemeier said, to accommodate future channel additions in high-definition.
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jaybird79 (anonymous) says…
I find it hard to be excited by our cable rates rising. We pay for a service and then are required to rent equipment each month to use that service or you loose part of the channel selection. I understand this change is going to come no matter what, but I can't afford any of my bills to get any higher. I think what sunflower is doing should be against some kind of business ethics. Shame on our 'community' cable provider for adopting this scam.
average (anonymous) says…
Unfortunately, due to terrain, a fair bit of Lawrence is stuck with pay-TV of one sort or another. I'm lucky to have pretty good line-of-sight to KC or Topeka. With a big rooftop antenna I get all the major stations from both. And while analog TV was snowy, even with a rooftop antenna and amplifier, digital over-the-air (already being broadcast) is absolutely razor sharp. Both KTWU and KCPT 'multicast', too, so I get 4 to 7 PBS feeds at any one time. $700 a year (after taxes) for basic cable that's still 30% commercials? Nope.
senegal66025 (anonymous) says…
People around here are a little spoiled. They have a very good little cable company here and dont know it. Try cable in KC. "Great" customer service there.
LittleMissFlea (anonymous) says…
Sunflower does have excellent (in my experience) customer service. Too bad almost daily the cable gets all pixelated and stops in the middle of a program.
fu7il3 (anonymous) says…
There is nothing wrong with the customer service, but I do feel that we overpay for what we get.
toe (anonymous) says…
I cut cable to pay taxes. Fewer channels is of no consequence to me.
doc1 (anonymous) says…
Ditto on the Direct TV. Since my switch I've been happy. I also dropped their cable modem since they have a bandwidth limit. All my family and friends are slowly switching over too. Better TV, more channels and a lower price with satellite. I'll NEVER go back to Sunflower.
fu7il3 (anonymous) says…
If not for needing the internet, I'd switch to Direct TV. As is, I am stuck with Sunflower.
boxturtle (anonymous) says…
Hey Excess Cable Money Hold OutsYou should check out the new box from Netflix, It let's you instantly stream some of their content, and also get dvds in the mail. All you can watch for 10 a month, plus internet bill, which will still come from sunflower probably, still a better deal than paying regular cable.And besides the only two shows worth watching, colbert & daily show you can watch online at comedy central.
jayhawkerjoel (anonymous) says…
The services provided by Sunflower are really very good compared to TimeWarner & Comcast in KC. Not sure why l_k_u has such a sour take, but friends fo mine in KC are always complaining about similar issues we have with Sunflower - it's "pick-you-poison" between TW or CC.My complaint with cable in general is that I constantly feel nickeled & dimed to death. Sure, you can get 37 channels without a box for each TV, but then no one wants to use the TVs without the digital box (I know - the horrible problems of modern conveniences.) I actually admire those who refuse to be sucked in and just say "no" to cable & satelite. You can get price discounts on over-the-air digital-to-analog converters through the following site - https://www.dtv2009.gov/Default.aspx . Now, if only we could buy cable digital boxes - just like we can buy our own cable modem and not have to pay the fees.
bookemdano (anonymous) says…
Notice how this article says that Sunflower was "requested" by the FCC to switch to digital. There's no requirement to go digital like there is for over-the-air broadcasters. And even they are not required to switch until February 2009. So why is cable "jumping the gun"?The reason is bandwidth. Cable companies are desperate to free up room in the cable signal because they want to add more channels but with so many analog channels there is no room. In order to free up room they have to convert channels to digital (which due to compression take up less space). They've really been doing that piecemeal for the last few years--moving a few channels at a time to "digital only" in order to make some room for new channels.But now with DirecTV claiming to have 95 HD channels Sunflower, in order to compete, desperately needs spectrum. They can't get anywhere close to that number of HD channels (which are especially bandwidth-hungry) without freeing up huge amounts of room in their line-up. That is the reason they're doing this--not due to any sort of requirement or law.I also like how this article claims that 90% of Sunflower's customers "already are equipped to receive digital programming". That is only because Sunflower gave each customer a single set-top-box last year... a cheap model they were trying to get rid of anyway because it does not meet current FCC requirements.So "almost all" of Sunflower's customers may be equipped to receive digital signals, but that's only on the one TV they hooked their free box up to. How many of Sunflower's customers have more than one TV? I'm guessing the vast majority do. So in order to even maintain the same level of service they have now, people will need to rent (no ability to buy) boxes at $5.00 minimum for each of their other TVs.Where are the set top boxes that can be purchased outright? If I recall correctly, the government requires cable companies to allow customers to purchase their cable equipment rather than rent it endlessly. Of course I wouldn't expect an article about Sunflower appearing in the LJW to be anything other than sugarcoated.
SpeedRacer (anonymous) says…
My dad has Comcast in Tennessee and their service is terrible! The only bright spot is that all the movies on Turner Classic Movies, Fox Movie Channel, etc. are available on On-Demand for free so that it gives alot of choices to watch. The only thing I really hate is that I have HD but will still have to pay for the privilige of having the same channels in non HD, pluss have to pay twice as much for the HD converter.
williaa (anonymous) says…
I love digital cable. I mean, having to unplug it daily so it can re-set itself and stop pixellating? Totally worth the extra money we are *required* to spend. Why hasn't sunflower been considered a monopoly? I know we are now starting to have other options, but that wasn't the case for a very long time.
alchemist (anonymous) says…
I agree with the other posters that Sunflower's prices are ridiculous. I cut my service months ago because for basic cable and the lowest internet I was still at almost 100$ a month. As I rent I can't do the satellite thing. So I rent movies occasionally and read a lot more. I wish I could afford to have it but I can't
aero_steve (anonymous) says…
jayhawkerjoel (Anonymous) says: Now, if only we could buy cable digital boxes - just like we can buy our own cable modem and not have to pay the fees.*************If you have a relatively new TV with a digital cable ready tuner built in a cable box isn't required. I bought a HDTV in the fall of 2005 and just plugged it into the cable running to my house with no converter box. At the time I subscribed to the expanded basic analog tier. I was able to see all the analog feeds as well as the digital feeds and the HD feeds from the KC and Topeka stations that sunflower carried at the time. Eventually I switched to Dish Network to get more HD channels than sunflower had available. Overall I'm not impressed with standard definition digital TV at all. It's usually overcompressed and very pixelated. I consider advertising the "better" picture quality of digital TV false advertising. It's not too bad on a 20"-27" standard defintion TV, but when you look at it on a big screen TV it looks like you are watching a postage stamp sized video off the internet that has been blown up to full screen. The only real advantage of digital TV is to cram more channels in the limited bandwidth most cable companies have available. In most cases a good analog signal looks better than the digital signal.Sunflower has improved it's HD offerings, and is competitive on pricing for a consumer like me that goes for more than the basic package. The main reason that's keeping me from returning to sunflower is the DVR's sunflower has available. Their DVR's are incredibly limited compared to what I currently have. 10 hours of HD record time vs the 30 I have from Dish, expanded to 90 with an external hard drive. This wouldn't be a normally be problem, but I usually only watch TV a couple nights a week and travel a lot for work, so it's common to 20 or more hours of TV backlogged for when I have want to watch TV.
Cai (anonymous) says…
Sunflower might be jumping the gun, but the change isn't being 'requested' by the government, it was demanded.They sold all the analog bandwidth. Sunflower bought some of it back, just in the Lawrence area, so that they would have the ability to leave some channels in an analog format.Additionally, have you actually looked at DTVs HD lineup?11 of them are "regional" - of which lawrence residents can only get two. 13 of them are premiums which require a subscription to premium channels as well.Sunflower may look like it costs more, but at least I actually know what I'm getting.And blame the FCC and motorola for the inability to sell boxes. Sunflower used to, remember? I own my motorola DCT-700, that I bought *from Sunflower*.But now we can't buy them anymore. Why? Because back in august, the FCC said that all new cable boxes have to have 'seperable security in them'. that means a removable cable card from the box. And guess what? Can't sell the cable cards. They're still under patent from motorola.I won't pretend that Sunflower is the best company ever and we should all celebrate and pretend they invented the rainbow; but they're hardly the evil empire that some of you seem to be implying either.
Larzia (Jake Esau) says…
For the record, Sunflower's prices (especially for internet service) are FAR better than those offered by the big cable companies for comparable service. Sunflower charges $50 per month for 20mbps download service... last time I checked at school in Indiana, 15mbps download was well over $100 per month from Time Warner.What is this pixelating problem people keep talking about? All the TV's in my mom's house are hooked to digital boxes and they don't have this problem.
bookemdano (anonymous) says…
Cai what on earth are you talking about? The government doesn't have anything to do with Sunflower's "bandwidth"--Sunflower owns it. They choose what to put on it. Period. What you are confusing is the airwaves that broadcast television stations use to transmit their signals. That is what the government (FCC) is going to repurpose. That's got nothing to do with Sunflower whatsoever.The government wants cable companies to go digital, because they think that will help encourage more rapid transition for OTA broadcast consumers as well (they want NTSC to vanish forever). But it's nothing other than encouragement--there are zero requirements for cable companies to go digital.And even if you take away 25 HD channels from the DirecTV lineup--it's still more than Sunflower will have even after June 2nd, so I'm not sure how you turn that into an advantage for Sunflower.
lionheart72661 (anonymous) says…
OK for all of you out there concerned about the digital transistion and the rise in rates. First of all sunflowerbroadband sent out newsletters about the price increase due to the programmers such as fox/abc/lifetime and others raising there rates thus it does trickle down and sunflower is taking some of the pressure by absorbing $1.20 of the cost per customer. It was the FCC that took back the anolog airwaves for emergency purposes so sunflower was not to blame. As for the pixilation this is not a perfect world. I used to work for comcast and the services nor the techs ever really worked. Sunflower Has Knowledgable techs and CSRs that are dedicated to hometown care. As for Dish. "read the fine print" Sunflower does not charge for service call upgrades or down grades Have you seen the price of gas lately. it costs a lot of money to maintain those trucks. So before you complain about the service you recieve look at the big picture. YOU have a good thing with Sunflower Broadband and just don't realize it. The main reason sunflower is starting the transistion early is NOT greed but so that WE the customer is ready for next year. OR do you like being in the dark? As for the gentleman with the big antenna on the hill. Say bye bye to analog
Tanetti (anonymous) says…
Interesting how everyone's hollering "buy local, buy LOCAL!" until it comes to Sunflower Broadband. Then people kvetch endlessly about the high rates (comparable/competitive with what I've experienced in other towns), poor service (I've always gotten top-notch service, far better than what I experienced with Time Warner in KC) and the conspiracy theory du jour ("Why are they making us go digital ahead of the curve? Why, why, why?"). That said, I'm by no means Sunflower's biggest fan, and I never have understood why the company's not a monopoly, despite one of my friend's having worked there and insisting that satellite TV/Internet provided competition (true, I guess ...). But I for one hate digital, with the pixellation (sp.?) and the blackouts/freezeups (always fun explaining to a 3-year-old that Dora isn't over, she's just ... incapacitated).
bookemdano (anonymous) says…
lionheart72661 you seem to be under the same delusion as Cai above you. What sunflower is doing is completely unrelated to the analog->digital switch the government is forcing broadcast TV stations to make. Sunflower owns its own "airwaves" (which in this case are not airwaves at all but miles of cable they have run all over town). Sunflower chooses what it wants to put on those cables (analog, digital, or both). Sunflower wants to get rid of analog for many reasons (more spectrum available for more digital channels, more revenue from set-top-box rentals, etc.) but a government requirement is not one of them. Sunflower could keep all the analog channels they offer right now as long as they want to--even after the broadcast stations are forced to go digital in 2009. The point is that they are spinning this like it's being forced on them, which is not true at all. Consumers who don't know any better buy into it and blame the government, when in fact it's 100% Sunflower's own preference to move channels to digital.
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a_flock_of_jayhawks (anonymous) says…
bookemdano (Anonymous) says:"Cai what on earth are you talking about? The government doesn't have anything to do with Sunflower's "bandwidth"-Sunflower owns it. They choose what to put on it. Period. What you are confusing is the airwaves that broadcast television stations use to transmit their signals. That is what the government (FCC) is going to repurpose. That's got nothing to do with Sunflower whatsoever."You've never heard of must-carry, have you? Most of what you have said is fairly accurate, but there have been several FCC developments including and since the 1996 Telecom Act that you are ignoring.
a_flock_of_jayhawks (anonymous) says…
bookmdano says..."there are zero requirements for cable companies to go digital."You also are ignoring programmer agreements.
a_flock_of_jayhawks (anonymous) says…
bookmdano says..."And even if you take away 25 HD channels from the DirecTV lineup-it's still more than Sunflower will have even after June 2nd, so I'm not sure how you turn that into an advantage for Sunflower."And in this bit you show that you know little about modern telecom distribution architectures and methods.
KUweatherman (Curtis Lange) says…
I was one of the biggest Sunflower haters at one time too. However, I've had my TV/internet services with them for nearly a year now. In that time, I have never had one problem with their service. If I want to change a service, I call and it gets changed. When I upgraded my HD box to an HD DVR, I took it in and I had a new one with no problem. I have bronze TV and Gold internet plus the HD DVR and pay $118/month. I've talked to friends in KC with Time Warner, Comcast and Everest and they all pay more per month for less services. So while Sunflower IS a monopoly in this town, they provide us with good service.
HootyWho (anonymous) says…
Sunflower is too expensive, the bandwidth limits need to be increased in the lower priced packages. Maybe i don't pay attention enough, but when did they offer free equipment? I'd do Direct TV if they had a better internet package.
lionheart72661 (anonymous) says…
bookemondo apparently you don't know diddly do alittle reading and a little less complaining. the fcc did take back the analog airwaves, i have one question for you....do you know anything about the cable industry or are you just repeating what others say in case you didn'r see i used to work for comcast and know quite a bit about how the system works. i speak what i know what do you speak of?
Eride (anonymous) says…
"Sunflower does have excellent (in my experience) customer service. Too bad almost daily the cable gets all pixelated and stops in the middle of a program."I had some issues with this about a month ago and after two technitions were unable to fix it they sent out the supervisor and he spent 3-4 hours straight working on it and didn't leave until everything was perfect. If you are getting bad video and audio quality you should call them... they will take care of you.As for the people moaning about the requirement that you rent a box from them... you don't have to rent a box from them. One, if you have a non-cheap HDTV you can just plug it straight into the television. Two, you can always purchase a box yourself from them or from anyone else. It is as easy as walking into an electrionics store and buying it.The one complaint I think it well founded is that the service is very expensive... but a lot of people seem to be really off base from reality in the opinions and comments being posted here.
kuhusker (anonymous) says…
Yeah, you do have to rent a box from Sunflower if you want digital cable. Read their FAQ...most of the digital stations are going to be encrypted, and only Sunflower provides the boxes to decrypt them. Even if you buy a tivo or high end tv you still need to rent a cable card to use it (which is a kind of "mini" digital box about the size of a credit card)
LogicMan (anonymous) says…
Anyone else only get left-channel sound, when in analog, from Channel 5 -- at least during the ~5 p.m. news?
bookemdano (anonymous) says…
Eride--You must rent a box/cable card from Sunflower if you want to be able to watch anything other than the basic channel lineup (I'm talking about PPV, Digital "tiers", and Pay channels like HBO). When you speak of "non-cheap HDTV" you're talking about QAM, which does indeed get you more of their channels but no where near all of them. And show me a box I can purchase today from "them or from anyone else" (link to Best Buy would be great) that I can use to receive their entire channel lineup without paying a monthly rental fee to Sunflower.lionheart72661--If you worked for comcast you must have been sick the day they explained how cable television works. Sunflower doesn't use airwaves for distribution--therefore the FCC taking them back has nothing to do with Sunflower. If that's still not clear enough for you then I'm not going to waste any more of my time explaining it. a_flock_of_jayhawks--sure I've heard of "must-carry". Tell me again how that requires Sunflower to convert 90% of its channel line-up to digital-only? Even if a digital-only station was granted must-carry status, it is a trivial matter for the cable company to convert it to analog for broadcast or to put that one channel only in the digital lineup.And as for programmer agreements I really doubt that all of the channels sunflower is moving to digital have demanded they be offered in digital format only. If you know otherwise, please provide specific proof. A quick check of the other cable companies in the area (TWC and Everest in KC, Cox in Topeka) shows that none of them have drastically cut their analog service down to <40 channels. So you'd be hard pressed to convince me that Sunflower's hand has been forced by anyone.And you'll need to expound on your final attack a bit, because from your post I don't know what you think my knowledge of "modern telecom distribution architectures and methods" is lacking. I was responding to a poster who said that DirecTV's touting of 100 HD channels was misleading because about 20 of them are not available to all subscribers. I countered that even so, that still leaves ~80 channels to Sunflower's ~60 (which, actually, includes stations like HBO and Showtime HD which are only available to people who pay for them... so Sunflower's total is more like 56). So if you take issue with what I said, you'll have to be a bit more specific.
lionheart72661 (anonymous) says…
first of all bookmando i know all about that and the reason behind the digital revolution is because so many channels were being broadcast in analog being made to go digital thus the cable companys having to broadcast in total digital it is a little more complex than that but i think you may know what i'm talking about. so quit pointing the finger at the cable companies. by the way do you have cable??
bookemdano (anonymous) says…
lionheart--yes I do have cable, and I can't wait for the day I can pay for only the 15 channels that I watch and leave the rest. I actually watch more PBS (HD) than anything but two or three times a week I watch something on cable (usually HDNet or HDNet movies).And I definitely know what you're talking about, but even if Sunflower were required to provide all the local "must-carry" broadcast stations in digital format (which they are not--they could convert back to analog and in fact will be doing so for the 37 channels that they will be providing via NTSC)--it has nothing to do with all of the hundreds of cable channels they also offer. Those are not broadcast over any airwaves anywhere so the government has nothing to do with them.Sunflower is just taking advantage of the air of confusion amongst consumers to go digital. But I think the least they could do would be to sell the set-top-boxes as well as rent (similar to how they do cable modems). They ought also to give people a year's free rental of a box or two to help "ease" the transition.Finally, they should have given folks six months' notice that this was happening. As far as I can tell--they gave less than two months'. That is irresponsible, considering that we've known the OTA switchover date for years now. They should also have waited until AFTER the February 09 switchover, since they are not being forced and have the luxury of waiting for consumers to be more informed and for equipment prices to go down.I understand the reasons Sunflower (and all cable companies) are switching to digital... I just think they have bungled the timing and the process and should do more to help their customers make the transition.
kuhusker (anonymous) says…
They really should have waited til the Tue2Way devices come out, those will give consumers the ability to take advantage of full digital cable functionality without having to rent a box.The way Sunflower is doing it now it forces customers to rent devices (digital boxes or cable cards) from Sunflower, at least for another year til Tue2Way is out.I understand the technical reasons they have to switch, sooner or later, but I believe that the reason they chose "sooner" was to get a few extra hundred thousand $$ a month revenue by increasing the number of boxes they get to rent out. And of course, there's no option to buy the current boxes/cards...if there were, people wouldn't be as upset.
toes (anonymous) says…
A previous poster stated that you can get HD on sunflower without a converter box if you have a new TV with a built in tuner. I'm sorry but you most definitely cannot. The HD channels are on channels 200 and above and without the converter box you get nothing. He must be referring to the old antenna on the roof because you can still do it that way. Just because you are watching Channel 9 news and it has the HD at the lower right doesn't mean you are seeing HD. Maybe this is why he was complaining about picture quality.
bookemdano (anonymous) says…
toes--actually you can receive a few of Sunflower's HD channels if you have a TV with a QAM tuner. Usually TVs that have one will advertise it in the feature list. That will get you the digital channels (both SD and HD) that Sunflower passes "in the clear" (i.e. not encrypted).It really doesn't change anything though as it does not get you Sunflower's full lineup and requires that you buy (or already own) a QAM-capable TV (which have really only become widely available in the last year or so).
compmd (anonymous) says…
Windlass,Artifacts will be displayed when the decoder is missing data or has corrupt data. Digital signals are encoded with error correction to help ensure quality. If some bits in a word are wrong, the decoder can automatically detect it and correct or guess at what they should be. Sometimes you will see a funny looking square that kinda looks like it belongs but is obviously wrong; that can be the code at work. CDs do something similar with burst error correcting codes; when there is a scratch on a disc rendering a few contiguous bits unreadable, the player actually guesses what they should be, you hear a weird sound, and playback continues. The "advance" of cable technologies serves no other purpose than to advance the growth of the cable exec's wallets. All this technology, and all this money that it costs...is modern TV really worth it?
doc1 (anonymous) says…
Direct TV has already been 100% digital for years now. Save your money and drop Sunflower. I understand the trickle effect but why hasn't my Direct TV bill changed in the past 3 years, when sunflower has had numerous/?
standuporget (anonymous) says…
Larzia, Sunflower has limited bandwidth I pay 35 dollars and have unlimited bandwidth from Time Warner in Overland Park10 MBs down and 1 up
fu7il3 (anonymous) says…
"I'm sorry but you most definitely cannot. The HD channels are on channels 200 and above and without the converter box you get nothing. "Not true. With my digital tuner in my TV, I get ae hd, espn and espn2 hd, Discovery HD, History hd, usa hd,ect. Now Sunflower is telling me I have to rent a box, and pay them more money if I want to get the same channels because they are going to encrypt everything "according to FCC guidelines."
cheyenne (anonymous) says…
You guys are cracking me up. I work in the cable buisness, not for sunflower, and I have been hearing these complaints for 2 years now. First of all if you are having pixelation issues IT IS a wiring issue. Call Sunflower and request a service call. Second, all cable companies have bandwidth restrictions, if they didn't certian customers (ie porno sites, online gambling sites, online gamers, etc) would saturate their networks and slow everyone down. Third, i know the all digital conversion isn't required but why have 4 pieces of equipment in the head end when you can have two. I know they can pass on the price through dig/hd rentals, but the maintenance on your dig/hd box is nill. On the other hand the reciever and modulator in the head end can be fairly pricey, so it is what it is. I think it sucks to loose channels also but it's going to happen wether we like it or not everywhere
standuporget (anonymous) says…
cheyenne, Sunflower has a 40Gb limit per month. I downloaded over 20 movies last month and I believe that is more than 40 gigs. So whats my limit ? Oh yea 4 or more movies at a time.
skinnee11 (anonymous) says…
To everyone complaining about Sunflower's internet, try switching to at&t dsl. i pay less each month than any of Sunflower's rates and have no bandwidth limit. And, to be perfectly honest with you, it runs faster than Sunflower ever could.Another thing, DirectTv is the single greatest thing since sliced bread. I cannot express how much of a relief it is to NOT give Sunflower any of my hard-earned money.
cheyenne (anonymous) says…
standuporget: trust me there is a bandwidth limit... maybe some of the movies you downloaded were compressed or in the form of zip files. i know for a fact that there is bandwidth limits, my old roommate worked for sunflower and actually had his modem throttled back for bandwidth abuse, but what do i know i've only been doing this for most of my professional life