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More lies?

May 2, 2008

To the editor:

The Bush administration told America and the world last week that North Korea helped Syria build a nuclear reactor. Ah, the memories come flooding back:

¢ "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." - George Bush, March 17, 2003

¢ The Center for Public Integrity has listed 935 lies told about Iraq by Bush administration officials during 2003-2005.

¢ "America does not torture."- George Bush.

¢ A secret Justice Department opinion by Attorney General Gonzales was leaked, which gave Bush explicit authorization for torture (at the same time he was publicly denying it).

¢ Bush signed a presidential order in 2002 allowing the National Security Agency to monitor domestic Americans without a warrant. The day after this shocking abuse of power became public, Bush admitted that he had authorized it.

¢ Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Did North Korea help Syria build a reactor, perhaps? Unfortunately, when you are a known liar like Bush and Cheney, no one believes you.

Daniel Patrick Schamle,

Lawrence

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Its funny how one side cites their sources and posts quotes and the other side says "yeah, well, you all are a bunch of (insert stock insult here).

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A few comments are typical responses from the unhappy liberals. I've more or less been told what to do in essence and have had a hard fast rule about what you think is and is not laid down by two obvious so called liberals. You guys need to follow the logic of your own politics and philosophy and I'll follow mine. Thanks.

beobachter 5 years, 11 months ago

Nutty_Buddy. sounds like you are exactly the type of voter Bush wanted. Uneducated with no reasoning skills, exactly what W is, in spite of Daddy and friends buying him advanced degrees.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

" But I taught myself how to read, write, make it on my own, take responsibility"Good job. But you also need to learn to think things through thoroughly, something the BushCo clearly doesn't do well. And unlike you, they also haven't learned to even acknowledge mistakes and bad judgement, which is a prerequisite to taking responsibility for them.But as a citizen, you have an equal responsibility to acknowledge that the politicians you support have taken us down a very wrong path.So don't just mouth/type the words. Your boys have fckd up completely, just as you did in voting for and/or supporting them. Suck it up, and as you say, take responsibility for your actions.

Nutty_Buddy 5 years, 11 months ago

I quit school when I was in the 8th grade. But I taught myself how to read, write, make it on my own, take responsibility---the things Democrats hate for people like me to do by themselves, without them being part of it. I like the way I am, thank you. Are you another elitist liberal, like Obama, your saviour?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

I take it you disagree, nutty buddy?If so, perhaps you should work on vocabulary-building exercises. Maybe your language-arts teacher could help you out.

Nutty_Buddy 5 years, 11 months ago

(cont.)blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahYou're a mess bozo, whoever you are.

Nutty_Buddy 5 years, 11 months ago

"But what's quite real is that 4000 US service people are dead and thousands more are permanently maimed and disabled, along with as many as a million Iraqi civilian and 4 million refugees, and a civil war that appears to be a decades-long affair, which has already run up a $3 trillion tab, and counting, that will be passed on to yet unborn generations."blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah (cont.)

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

So, are you saying that WWII wasn't the "good war," RA?"Living life without constant paranoia is wonderful. Give it a try, you might like it."Your heroes of BushCo/PNAC would appear to be the paranoids-- they're the ones who had been plotting to overthrow Saddam for what were obviously baseless fears (or was it merely cynical hype to whip up the bloodlust in gullible folks like you?)But what's quite real is that 4000 US service people are dead and thousands more are permanently maimed and disabled, along with as many as a million Iraqi civilian and 4 million refugees, and a civil war that appears to be a decades-long affair, which has already run up a $3 trillion tab, and counting, that will be passed on to yet unborn generations.But sorry to jolt your "paranoia-free" lifestyle. I'm sure there's a good "American Idol" or "reality" teevee episode that will get you back to your sweet spot.

Rationalanimal 5 years, 11 months ago

How about expanding the discussion to Franklin D. Roosevelt. He and Churchill had discussion after discussion, as confirmed by Joe Kennedy and his Nazi assistant, about how to get America involved in World War II. Turns out FDR ignored intel that resulted in Pearl Harbor, a few thousand dead or so the conspiracy theories go. You extremists on the left have stayed up one too many nights watching the X-Files. Let it go. Living life without constant paranoia is wonderful. Give it a try, you might like it.

max1 5 years, 11 months ago

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cool 5 years, 11 months ago

excellent post - just another bozo !

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Pretty damning stuff from General Sanchez, buffalo star-- his concluding paragraphs--"That decision set up the United States for a failed first year in Iraq. There is no question about it. And I was supposed to believe that neither the Secretary of Defense nor anybody above him knew anything about it? Impossible! Rumsfeld knew about it. Everybody on the NSC knew about it, including Condoleezza Rice, George Tenet, and Colin Powell. Vice President Cheney knew about it. And President Bush knew about it.There's not a doubt in my mind that they all embraced this decision to some degree. And if it had not been for the moral courage of Gen. John Abizaid to stand up to them all and reverse Franks's troop drawdown order, there's no telling how much more damage would have been done.In the meantime, hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars were unnecessarily spent, and worse yet, too many of our most precious military resource, our American soldiers, were unnecessarily wounded, maimed, and killed as a result. In my mind, this action by the Bush administration amounts to gross incompetence and dereliction of duty."

buffalo_star 5 years, 11 months ago

Speaking of lies.http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1736831,00.html

buffalo_star 5 years, 11 months ago

No nukes for kooks and only a kook would nuke his fellow man! I guess that makes the US a kook since its the only country that ever nuked anyone.

Corey Williams 5 years, 11 months ago

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Mkh 5 years, 11 months ago

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Do all those strawmen you drag around mean you are never lonely, lucky man?

lucky_man 5 years, 11 months ago

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

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deec 5 years, 11 months ago

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

"Pardon me, bozo, should I have specified 'rational' and 'sane' people? There are exceptions to every rule, hence terms like 'extremists' and 'warhawks'. Perspective would be useful here, for the love:"These are the members of PNAC who petioned Clinton to attack Iraq in 1998. Are these folks "rational and sane," or "extremists and warhawks?"Elliott Abrams, Richard L. Armitage, William J. Bennett, Jeffrey Bergner, John Bolton, Paula Dobriansky, Francis Fukuyama, Robert Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, William Kristol, Richard Perle, Peter W. Rodman, Donald Rumsfeld, William Schneider, Jr., Vin Weber, Paul Wolfowitz, R. James Woolsey, Robert B. Zoellickhttp://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

deec 5 years, 11 months ago

The families and friends of the thousands of Americans and Iraqis killed due to "house to house fighting of terrorists and Iran-supplied extremists, or to tribal sectarianism," rather than "'major combat operations'" will, no doubt, appreciate the difference. Ditto the million plus displaced Iraqis who are now refugees.

deec 5 years, 11 months ago

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

jrudyhawk 5 years, 11 months ago

Pardon me, bozo, should I have specified 'rational' and 'sane' people? There are exceptions to every rule, hence terms like 'extremists' and 'warhawks'. Perspective would be useful here, for the love...Oh, and deec, I expect 'major combat operations' might refer to the all-out military offensive against an established army. If you think that applies to house to house fighting of terrorists and Iran-supplied extremists, or to tribal sectarianism, you don't really have a grasp on military operations at all, now do ya?C'mon, folks, we're not the bogey man. Anyone happen to catch the revelry in the streets when we took down Husseins' regime? If someone invaded the U.S. would our citizens be celebrating and pulling down statues of our leader? Ask the Kurds or the Iraqi's that helped us during Desert Storm how they feel about us coming to their aid. Oops, can't. They got massacred and gassed. Sticking up for pathetic excuses for human life that use their own countrymen, women, and babies for shields, that's evil thinking. But yes, we must be the bad guys. Al-Jazeera is hirin'.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

"If you truly believe that W. and Cheney are evil and that they lied in order to start a war then you're nothin' but a nutball. Noone wants to go to war, not even members of the military."Really? Ever heard of the Project for a New American Century?

deec 5 years, 11 months ago

Wow. Let's parse just one little bit from this diatribe. "And please stop throwing out the 'mission accomplished' garbage. That banner was meant as a salute for the specific manuevers carried out by the crew of that aircraft carrier, not as a symbol that we'd sewn up the entire conflict.""The landing came just hours before Bush is to tell the nation that major combat operations in Iraq have ended...In his speech to the troops Thursday night Bush will thank the U.S. military for their efforts in Iraq. "Your courage -- your willingness to face danger for your country and for each other -- made this day possible,"http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/05/01/bush.carrier.landing/

jrudyhawk 5 years, 11 months ago

It's amazing to read all this liberal bile. If you truly believe that W. and Cheney are evil and that they lied in order to start a war then you're nothin' but a nutball. Noone wants to go to war, not even members of the military. I've spent more than half my life involved with our Armed Forces and I know this for a fact. And please stop throwing out the 'mission accomplished' garbage. That banner was meant as a salute for the specific manuevers carried out by the crew of that aircraft carrier, not as a symbol that we'd sewn up the entire conflict. But as liberal minds (boy, there's an oxymoron) usually work, you grab a hold of something and spin it (or should I say 'twist') into the ground. Ponder this, pea brains, how many acts of terrorism have been carried out here in the U.S. since 9/11? How would you be feeling if Bush had done nothing and thousands more Americans had been murdered on their own soil? Absolutely the administration has made mistakes, I for one have always said that going into the Middle East is a bad idea. Thinking they're committing acts of war to further their personal business holdings is just plain moronic. Holding that they've sent our brothers and sisters into harm's way to pad their bottom line is ridiculous. Bush and Blair did not lie when they moved on intelligence reports of WMD's in Iraq, unless you think that the metric tons of sarin (sp.?) gas and nuke evidence discovered in Hussein's labs don't qualify. There's hundreds of thousands of square miles of desert to bury weapons and willing recipients nearby like Iran and Syria to accept such payloads when invasion was imminent as well. But noooo, it had to be an evil lie, right? Wake up! They acted on the info they had. Which, by the way, was probably faulty due to the castration of our intelligence communities by ol' Slick Willy. It wasn't just his fly that was left perpetually unzipped, the proof shown by the tragedy of 9/11. And lastly, it is hilarious to hear liberal idiocy blame the housing crisis and inevitable demise of our econony on the Bush administration. It all fell like dominoes starting with the liberal mindset to refuse to stop the flood of illegals pouring over the border. Thousands upon thousands of non-tax paying cheap laborers invade the country. Builders suddenly have more than enough help to throw houses up like it's Lego-land. Mortgage companies see the Holy Grail and pass out ridiculous loans to people who obviously can't afford them like candy on Halloween. Everything crashes and it's the fault of Bush? It starts with that first domino. Without that labor this country is not over-built. Now they're all out of work, can't speak the primary language well and are stuck. As are we with a wholly un-educated community with no outs. Brilliant. Get off the conspiracy theories, they're for the weak and feeble-minded. Oh, wait. Isn't that the definition of liberalism?

deec 5 years, 11 months ago

Heck I'll take the bait. How many people died as a result of a philandering president lying about his adultery? How many (so far) have died as a result of the president lying about Iraq?Oh yeah...where;s Bin Laden?

Corey Williams 5 years, 11 months ago

"I think it's also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long [U.S. troops] will be involved and when they will be withdrawn."W, June 15, 1999

Rationalanimal 5 years, 11 months ago

(with finger wagging and looking directly in to the camera) "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky, I never told anyone to lie."Your man bubba, perfected the art of executive lying.

uncleandyt 5 years, 11 months ago

Good letter Daniel, againAnd, to you folks who think you're on The Team, ...you're not. There is nothing conservative about waste. Slaughter and greed are not family values. Well, maybe in the Bush or Manson familes they are.You are being lied to, daily. Your pill-poppin' hero, Rush Limpbaugh, goes on for three hours a day, five days a week, claiming to know what the enemy is thinking. He tells you what to think. All you have to do is believe. Now you are advanced. Now you are Right, and that means correct. You know what is true. You know what is funny, for he laughed. How could one be more informed? Hannity has a show. O'Really? has a show. Maybe you like to mix in a little Savage. Will one of you geniuses tell me where I can find some of that Liberal Media. Glen Beck? Tony Snow? I see that Karl Rove got himself a media gig. Fare and imbalance935 lies about Iraq, can You believe it?The Hippies are coming, the Hippies are coming!

beobachter 5 years, 11 months ago

simple rule to remember, if any member of current administration said, odds are its a lie.

max1 5 years, 11 months ago

"Please provide us with the approval rating of the Congress and the Senate: Can't find it? Let me help you" -Bowhunter99http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htmABC News/Washington Post Poll. Jan. 30-Feb. 1, 2008"Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Republicans in Congress are doing their job?"Approve: 30%Disapprove: 63%http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_dem.htmABC News/Washington Post Poll. Jan. 30-Feb. 1, 2008"Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Democrats in Congress are doing their job?"Approve: 39%Disapprove: 54%

cool 5 years, 11 months ago

P R I C E L E S S !BOE (Anonymous) says:"High gas prices are a sign of a failed presidency."- Halliburton CEO Dick Cheney, 1998

JHOK32 5 years, 11 months ago

Bowhunter: Did you even once consider that the reason the entire country booted the Republicans out of Congress last year was because the country is sick of their greed and lies? Bush stood in front of a huge banner that said "Mission Accomplished." That was 5 years ago. Hundreds of our kids in uniform were still alive then. The only accomplishment Bush has made is indebting our kids & grandkids into Trillions of dollars worth of debt (that's with a "T"). Where has all this money gone? (think hard now). I bet if you were an Eskimo I could sell you ice cubes!

max1 5 years, 11 months ago

"Please provide us with the approval rating of the Congress and the Senate: Can't find it? Let me help you" -Bowhunter99Before you GOP all over yourself with delight, you might want to look at who is hated most -- the Republicans in congress or the Democrats in congress.June 4, 2007http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3242551The Democrats' overall job approval rating likewise has dropped, from a 54 percent majority to 44 percent now . . . The president's approval rating remains a weak 35 percent, unchanged from mid-April at two points from his career low in ABC News/Washington Post polls. The Republicans in Congress do about as badly, with just 36 percent approval.December 13, 2008http://mediamatters.org/items/200712130008Congressional Approval RatingsDemocrats in Congress: 40% approveRepublicans in Congress: 32% approvehttp://www.pollingreport.com/cong2008.htmCBS poll"If the 2008 election for U.S. House of Representatives were being held today, would you vote for the Republican candidate or the Democratic candidate in your district?"Democrat: 50%Republican: 32%

beatrice 5 years, 11 months ago

We put former oil company bosses in the White House -- what else did we expect? Did people actually believe that they would put the interest of the country before that of the company? (There is a word for people like that, and I understand one is born every minute.)5 years and a day since we celebrated "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq. 5 years and a day.Can we afford four more years of the McSame?

logicsound04 5 years, 11 months ago

balik was booted earlier this week.

BOE 5 years, 11 months ago

"High gas prices are a sign of a failed presidency." - Halliburton CEO Dick Cheney, 1998

jonas 5 years, 11 months ago

Where's balik? Did he get booted again?

cool 5 years, 11 months ago

Mc Cain 4 more wars ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voIqY7...

cool 5 years, 11 months ago

bush approval ratings 40 points below start of war & 'mission accomplished' !http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/19/bushs-approval-rating-40_n_92466.html

cool 5 years, 11 months ago

Bush approval ratings in Europe ?77% against W !http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/09/AR2006090900911.html

yourworstnightmare 5 years, 11 months ago

7.5 months remaining of Bushco idiocy and lies.The war of choice in Iraq is a disaster, and Bushco has managed to bring the strongest economy in the world to its knees.Anther four years of these failed policies (tax cuts, wars of choice) will certainly end America's role as the strongest nation in the world.

cool 5 years, 11 months ago

impeach B U S H & C H E N E Y !help celebrate the 4th of J U L Y !and honor memorial day by their impeachment for lies.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePcnFD...

cool 5 years, 11 months ago

impeach B U S Hhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ga_8E...

cool 5 years, 11 months ago

impeach C H E N E Yhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJYbgo...

vpete69 5 years, 11 months ago

Speakout says:"The whole world should be nuclear weapons free."================================And after that, we should exchange our cars for flying unicorns.

b3 5 years, 11 months ago

Idiot.

Nutty_Buddy 5 years, 11 months ago

"¢ Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera." Can you expound on that, or is "etc" just trailing off into more conspiracy theories and maniacal Bush hating frenzies?We've seen the BDS in full swing today as another commentator pointed out. Nutty.

jafs 5 years, 11 months ago

As an American Jew, I am not blindly pro-Israel.First, the US and Britain created Israel after WWII. When they did this, they did it without consideration of the Palestinians, who were the current occupants at the time.Why are we surprised that the Palestinians don't want to recognize Israel?Next, there are many documented cases of misbehavior by Israel, both in terms of occupying Palestinian territory, and in terms of violence which is killing civilians.Jimmy Carter, a pro-peace activist for many years, concludes that Israel is not following a good path to peace, which would include withdrawal from any occupied territories, and a fair, equitable split of territory between the Palestinians and Israelis.Without that, I think there is little chance for a lasting peace.

50YearResident 5 years, 11 months ago

Bowhunter99, I can't believe you are blaming the last 7 years of Bush's blunders on the Democrats just because they are unable to make instant corrections to his idiotic decisions.

Corey Williams 5 years, 11 months ago

"Of course, for all I know you may be nothing more than another Hitler-like anti-semite. Are you?"If you say something bad about the country of Israel, why does that automatically make you anti-semite? Why can't I dislike the country without it being assumed that I dislike Jews as well? To me it seems like a diversionary tactic. Just like the post that Bowhunter put up that had nothing at all to do with Israel, but look at how many posts have been written about it. If you criticize Israel, then you are accused of anti-semitism. Then you have to say, "No, no, no, no, no, I'm not anti-semitic." Meanwhile, because of that accusation, any credibility you had is deflated and your argument worthless. You can't be unbiased about Israel because you hate Jews. Is this why it happens? Is this why you brand any who dare criticize Israel as anti-semitic? And "Hitler-like" as well. So if you criticize Israel, not only do you hate Jews, you also want to eradicate their entire population? Is this how you like to start an argument? "When an Israeli military operation kills a "non-combatant" there is always an investigation and the investigation is announced in the media. I know because I read at least two online Israeli media sources each day and believe me, the Israeli Defense Forces are closely scrutinized."Substitute "America" for "Israel" in that statement above. Do you feel as if the American forces in Iraq have fully and honestly investigated events surrounding civilian deaths? Like Haditha? But if you read some American newspapers, you might walk away thinking that they did everything that could have been done. Although if you read some foreign news, you might get a different story. It's always best to read from a foreign source. Something unbiased.But then, if that foreign source is critical of Israel, of course they're just anti-semitic.

staff04 5 years, 11 months ago

"not responsible for 'anything':."I don't think anyone here was suggesting that they are not responsible for anything.You, on the other hand, would have us believe that the Democrats in Congress, despite extraordinary efforts by both the White House and Congressional Republicans to block any progress and thwart the will of the American public, is responsible for EVERYTHING that has led people to be unhappy with the state of the nation. See where I'm going with this?

duplenty 5 years, 11 months ago

"Everything that goes wrong and have gone wrong from day 1 under Bush is Bush's fault. Period. No questions about it."I believe his title is "commander in chief"...not just on casual fridays, but all the time.

logicsound04 5 years, 11 months ago

"I see: Everything that goes wrong and have gone wrong from day 1 under Bush is Bush's fault. Period. No questions about it."--------------Well, no. I personally think that the blame can be shared between the two parties. After all, Bush couldn't have marched into Iraq without a great number of Democrats signing off on it.But I think you would do well to remember the fact that only one party has controlled two of the three branches of government at any time in the past 7 years.

Newcomb 5 years, 11 months ago

It sure is getting hot in here, but at least this hand basket is comfy.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

"21% approval rating"A largely meaningless statistic. The low approval rating is because Republicans don't like Congress because it's (nominally) controlled by Democrats, and Democrats are unhappy because Republicans can block most Democratic initiatives.Now, if you take the average approval rating of each individual congress member within their districts, that would be a more meaningful comparison to Bush's abysmal rating, and that average is likely near or over 50%.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

bkgarner--" Why? Well, if the majority did, where are their peace movements?"They do exist, just as they do in Israel, but the movements don't control the actions of very violent minorities on each side, and violence always gets more press than efforts towards peace."What I do see is dancing in the streets when something terrible happens to the US (remember 9/11???)"Didn't happen, at least not in any major way. Turns out most of the footage that got turned into this urban legend was carefully edited to make it appear that Arabs were rejoicing in the streets, when, in fact, the majority were just as horrified as everyone else in the world."When an Israeli military operation kills a "non-combatant" there is always an investigation and the investigation is announced in the media."Yes, they often have investigations, and sometimes they legitimately done. Sometimes there is little or no investigation, and most often, they are merely perfunctory."When was the last time you saw or heard of a Palestinian investigation into the death of an Israeli due to terrorist activity?"Israel has Palestinians under a permanent state of siege, so there is nothing like a functioning government which could carry out any kind of investigation. Besides, unlike well-armed Israel, Palestine has very few weapons available to them, and they are ones that can generally only be used indiscriminately, so investigations of their attacks aren't really that necessary since they are almost always terroristic in nature. Israel, on the other hand, has a well-organized military and the most modern of weaponry, and they try to use that to claim that their often indiscriminate violence against Palestinians, which is much greater than Palestinian violence towards them, is somehow "clean." "So, if actions do truly speak louder than words, I am forced to conclude that this peace thing runs one way-from Israel to the Palestinians/Arabs/Islamics, but not the other way."If that is true, then how do you interpret the fact that and year in and year out, Israel kills at least twice as many Palestinians, including women, children and other non-combatants, as vice-versa?

Bowhunter99 5 years, 11 months ago

forgot to mention... 21% approval of the democrat led congress (both senate and house of reps)...keep that in mind when trying to shift all of the blame elsewhere... that's how UNHAPPY everyone else besides those with blinders are with the current leadership in congress and the house of representatives...21% approval rating.

fu7il3 5 years, 11 months ago

Isn't that what they assume already?

Bowhunter99 5 years, 11 months ago

I see... Everything that goes wrong and have gone wrong from day 1 under Bush is Bush's fault. Period. No questions about it.The democrats have full control of the house and the senate for almost 1.5 years and they're not responsible for 'anything'....Talk about personal responsibility... That's why most liberals don't want to take it... because they prefer to shift the blame elsewhere...

tony88 5 years, 11 months ago

"What I do see is dancing in the streets when something terrible happens to the US (remember 9/11???)"Wow! The propoganda really got you! That was stock footage of a celebration well before 9/11 that was pawned off to the public as celebration of 9/11. The footage has since been recognized as such, yet you are still unaware. I think if you knew anybody from the middle east, you would be aware that the common people are pretty much like common people in good ol' Lawrence Kansas. If they used either our leaders or our media as a gauge for how common Americans viewed them, they would most likely falsly assume what you are assuming about them... that we all want to kill them.

duplenty 5 years, 11 months ago

Perhaps, but remember that republicans like to yammer on and on about "personal responsibility", yet...We have a president who instituted perhaps the worst foreign policy this country has ever seen, and eroded the constitution in a litte under 7 years, and somehow the problems of this country are continually blamed on the Dems, whose razor thin majority has been in place for just over a year? Or better yet, these issues are the fault of the last president, out of office for nearly a decade?You have to drink deeply from the kool-aid to buy that argument.

fu7il3 5 years, 11 months ago

To be honest I think that is everyone's mantra in this day and age. When was the last time you saw any public official say, "Sorry, my bad."

staff04 5 years, 11 months ago

"When did the republican mantra become "everyone's fault but mine"?"January 20, 2001

duplenty 5 years, 11 months ago

"It must be last night's violent weather and low-pressure cells that kicked up the serious BDS already this morning:"That, or a realistic accounting of current events...but then, you can't be bothered with such things, now can you?When did the republican mantra become "everyone's fault but mine"?

logicsound04 5 years, 11 months ago

Good grief bowhunter. If you cram your head any further up there you're going to be seeing what you had for lunch.It just baffles me to no end how you can attribute all those problems to the last 1.25 years (the Dems didn't take power until January 2007 and their policies didn't go into effect until after that) yet somehow give the Republicans a free pass for the six years prior.I'm no Democrat, but it seems a bit disingenuous to blame all the problems you mentioned on the D's having a majority in the House and a razor-thin majority in the Senate when the Republicans have tried to thwart their efforts to enact change at every step of the way.

Bowhunter99 5 years, 11 months ago

Deec,Please provide us with the approval rating of the Congress and the Senate... Can't find it? Let me help you:http://www.gallup.com/poll/104989/Public-Shows-Little-Love-Bush-Congress.aspx"The latest Gallup Poll, conducted March 6-9, finds 32% of Americans approving of Bush and 21% approving of Congress."so yes.. your liberal elected officials are doing one hell of a job... And once again, people like you keep shifting the blame to others since you can't bear to open your eyes and realize your party is worse for the country than Bush.21 percent... repeat that a couple of times... 21% approval rating for your elected officials... one heck of a job they're doing!

Brent Garner 5 years, 11 months ago

To "Another Bozo".First, interesting monicker. Made me laugh. Thanks.Second, I have doubts about the claim that the majority of Palestinians, or Arabs, or Islamics for that matter, being willing to live peacefully along side Israel. Why? Well, if the majority did, where are their peace movements? I don't see any. What I do see is dancing in the streets when something terrible happens to the US (remember 9/11???) or to Israel. When an Israeli military operation kills a "non-combatant" there is always an investigation and the investigation is announced in the media. I know because I read at least two online Israeli media sources each day and believe me, the Israeli Defense Forces are closely scrutinized. When was the last time you saw or heard of a Palestinian investigation into the death of an Israeli due to terrorist activity? So, if actions do truly speak louder than words, I am forced to conclude that this peace thing runs one way--from Israel to the Palestinians/Arabs/Islamics, but not the other way.

oldvet 5 years, 11 months ago

It must be last night's violent weather and low-pressure cells that kicked up the serious BDS already this morning...

staff04 5 years, 11 months ago

Please deec, bowhunter cannot be bothered with the details...Rush Limpdick didn't tell him that part, so it must not really be the truth.

deec 5 years, 11 months ago

"...the liberals drive the country into the ground like they've done the past two years..."I assume the poster actually means "the democrats."The democrats weren't the majority in Congress until January 2007. Last time I checked that was a little over a year ago. And apparently the numerous vetoes have nothing to do with Federal policy. Meanwhile Bush's approval ratings stand at 28%.

scott3460 5 years, 11 months ago

"We'll just sit here and let the liberals drive the country into the ground like they've done the past two years (oil up by almost 80%, gas up over $1.20 a gallon, record foreclosures, higher unemployment, etc): Because all of it has occurred during the time the democrats have had control of both the US Senate and the House of Representatives:"Quit your lying. Gas and oil are up because of bush's invasion of Iraq and due also to the free trade/pro expansion of China economy policies pushed by his corporate masters over the last 20 years. The housing market problems are the direct result of the hands off approach he and the republitraitors took to regulating the housing and financial industries, not to mention the unmitigated sprawl and over building that "developers" have engaged in during the last 20 years, fueled also by the undercutting of jobs being held by Americans due to the unstemmed influx of illegal, job stealing immigrants. Unemployment, see all of the above, etc..... These things may have happened while the democrats have a slim, slim majority. The cause, however, is largely the fault of the worst President this country has ever endured, aided and abbetted by unchecked republitraitor rule.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

"Israeli's would gladly live at peace with their neighbors, including the Palestinians."The majority of Israelis would like to do so, just as the majority of Palestinians want to do the same. But the sentiments that prevail are those of bigotry and violence, both on Israel's part, and the Palestinians'.Until the violent factions on each side can be contained, there will be no peace, but BushCo have never wanted peace, anywhere. War is just too good for business.

Bowhunter99 5 years, 11 months ago

We'll just sit here and let the liberals drive the country into the ground like they've done the past two years (oil up by almost 80%, gas up over $1.20 a gallon, record foreclosures, higher unemployment, etc)... Because all of it has occurred during the time the democrats have had control of both the US Senate and the House of Representatives...that's the 'change' you asked for... and the 'change' you got. But I'm sure they didn't lie to get themselves elected... They promised 'jobs', 'better conditions', 'cheaper oil', blah blah blah... Funny thing is that you and others still believe them and will blindly do so next November.

Brent Garner 5 years, 11 months ago

Speakout:OK. If you are Israel, located where Israel is located, with limited natural barriers to invasion, surrounded by folks who have been promising since 1948 to exterminate you, what would you do? Would you, if you had the power, expel the Israeli's from Palestine? Would you be willing to stand aside and let a 2nd Holocaust occur? Would you be willing to commit US forces to guarantee Israel's security against hostile neighbors? Assuming Israel has nuclear weapons, and I for one have little doubt on that point, possessing such in the situation they find themselves may actually be somewhat rational from a survival viewpoint. Of course, it comes with some risks, but Israel's existence has been risky for a very long time.As for launching attacks against its neighbors, either you are naive, uninformed, or purposely ignorant. From a military viewpoint, Israel's geographic location is very difficult to defend, especially given the pre-1967 borders. So, Israel can hardly wait to absorb the first blow as that could very well be the last blow. They did so in 1973 with almost disastrous results. Israeli's would gladly live at peace with their neighbors, including the Palestinians. Note, even after Israel forcibly evacuated Gaza, Israel has continue to be subjected to daily rocket and mortar bombardment, attempted infliltrations for terror purposes, and other hostile acts. Even though Israel sends fuel to the Palestinians, the Palestinians attacked the very depot that supplied the fuel. How else should Israel react to such actions?Of course, for all I know you may be nothing more than another Hitler-like anti-semite. Are you?

LogicMan 5 years, 11 months ago

"AND so what if they did? What business is it of ours if they have nuclear power?"There was no steam turbine evident in the pictures-- it was only a reactor building. So it was for weapons, not electrical power.

Speakout 5 years, 11 months ago

AND so what if they did? What business is it of ours if they have nuclear power? The Israelis will violate their air space and blow it up anyway with our weapons. Why are we NOT outraged that Israel has nuclear weapons and they are stolen from the USA? The whole world should be nuclear weapons free. Especially the one government who has launched attacks against several of its neighbors.