Archive for Monday, March 31, 2008

Oread Inn subsidies up for approval

March 31, 2008


Bottom line

City commissioners will consider giving formal approval to a pair of financial subsidies for the Oread Inn project, a hotel and condominium project at 12th and Indiana streets near the Kansas University campus.


The city will consider approving Tax Increment Financing and a Transportation Development District for the project. The Tax Increment Financing subsidy will allow a portion of the new property and sales taxes generated by the project in the future to be used to pay for a parking garage and other infrastructure. The Transportation Development District will allow for an extra 1 percent sales tax to be charged to consumers on the property. The extra sales tax would be used to help pay for street-related infrastructure. The two subsidies are expected to amount to $11 million or less, according to projections by the city. The development group - led by the Fritzel family - has said the project isn't feasible without the subsidies. Commissioners previously have approved the zoning for the project, and have expressed informal support for the financial subsidies.

Other business

State of the city address

¢ Mayor Sue Hack will deliver the State of the City address.


¢ Proclaim the month of April as Mathematics Awareness Month.

¢ Proclaim the month of April as Fair Housing Month.

Consent agenda

¢ Approve City Commission meeting minutes from March 11.

¢ Receive minutes from various boards and commissions:

¢ Approve all claims.

¢ Approve licenses as recommended by the Department of Administrative Services.

¢ Bid and purchase items:

a.) Award bids for mowing service for the Parks and Recreation Department as indicated below. Total amount for all mowing services is $37,493.

1. District 1 - Vernon's Lawn Mowing for $3,060;

2. District 2 - Vernon's Lawn Mowing for $8,500;

3. District 3 - Rockn'C Lawn & Landscape for $5,400;

4. District 1, Area 2 - Oasis Lawn Care for $9,600; and

5. District 1, Area 3 - Oasis Lawn Care for $10,933

b.) Award bids for mowing service for the Utilities Department as indicated below. Total amount for all mowing services is $67,648.

1. Wastewater Plant - Dupree Landscaping for $22,882;

2. Lift Stations - Rockn' C Lawn & Landscape for $24,140;

3. Kaw Water Treatment Plant & Facilities - Dupree Landscaping for $12,636;

4. Clinton Water Treatment Plant - Harrell Lawn Care for $7,990.

c. Award bid for one heavy duty crew cab and chassis with optional crane for the Utilities Department to Olathe Ford Sales for $83,999.

d.) Award Comprehensive Housing Rehabilitation bids as indicated below.

1. 956 Lawrence Ave. - T&J; Holdings for $10,600;

2. 1729 La. - Comet Corporation for $23,650;

3. 224 E. 17th Street Terr. - Reject bid, exceeds program limits of $25,000.

e. Authorize the city manager to execute a contract agreement and purchase order with Duke's Root Control Inc. for $99,281.82 to complete the 2008 Chemical Root Control Program.

f.) Award City Bid No. B08024, Overland Drive from Queens Road to Stoneridge Drive and Stoneridge Drive from Overland Drive to Sixth Street for street, storm sewer, and waterline improvements to R.D. Johnson Excavating Inc. for $1,690,649.46.

g.) Award City Bid No. B08029, 2008 Crack Seal Program, to Missouri Pavement Maintenance Inc. for $226,500.

h.) Authorize a purchase order to ESRI for Geographic Information Systems software for $34,684.38 to continue the city's use of ESRI software maintenance for the period of April 12, 2008, to April 11, 2009.

¢ Adopt the following ordinances on second and final reading:

a.) Ordinance No. 8223, rezoning approximately 15.171 acres from RSO (Single-Dwelling Residential Office) to RM15 (Multi-dwelling Residential). The property is located at 4000 W. 24th Place, Inverness Park Addition, west of Crossgate Drive and south of Clinton Parkway.

b.) Ordinance No. 8242, approving a special use permit at 714 Vt. for a cabinet shop, which is "Limited Manufacturing & Production Business".

c.) Ordinance No. 8248 designating Ohio Street, Sixth Street to Ninth Street, as a main trafficway connecting link.

d.) Joint City Ordinance No. 8243/County Resolution No. ____, regarding CPA-2007-8, CPA-2007-9, and CPA-2007-10.

e.) Ordinance No. 8244 to amend Section 20-601 of the development code to revise setbacks for the IG (General Industrial) District when abutting residential zoning districts.

f.) Ordinance No. 8241, authorizing the city manager to enter into an agreement with Aquila Inc. to assign its franchise to Black Hills/Kansas Gas Company LLC.

¢ Adopt Resolution No. 6761, authorizing the issuance of general obligation bonds in the amount of $150,000 for the brick street reconstruction of Ohio Street, Sixth Street to Eighth Street.

¢ Approve special event permit for Jim Clark Motors auto tent sale to be held at 2727 Iowa from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m. April 17-19.

¢ Approve text amendment to various sections of Chapter 20 Development Code related to the definition of family in RS (Residential) Districts. Initiated by Planning Commission on Dec. 17, 2007. Adopt on first reading Ordinance No. 8249, providing for the amendment to various sections of Chapter 20 Development Code related to the definition of family in RS Districts.

¢ Authorize staff to pursue the Assistance to Firefighters Grant for personal protective equipment and an aerial ladder, and authorize funding for 20 percent of the total cost ($56,420 for personal protective equipment and $300,000 for aerial ladder). City commitment for funding is not required until after notification of grant awards if the city is successful.

¢ Authorize the city manager to enter into an agreement with First Management Inc. for a community grant for new siding for the Fire & Medical Department's Safety House.

¢ Authorize the city manager to enter into a lease agreement with Daily Angus Farm LLP for $175.50 per acre per year, payable to the city for the lease of city property.

¢ Receive correspondence from Lawrence Arts Commission requesting modifications to Resolution No. 5966 and Resolution No. 5015. Refer to staff for report.

¢ Approve as "signs of community interest" a request from Headquarters Counseling Center to place two directional signs in the median at Clinton Parkway and Inverness Drive on April 26.

¢ Approve as "signs of community interest" a request from the Friends of the Lawrence Public Library to place signs advertising the used book sale between Sixth and Ninth Streets from Massachusetts to Tennessee streets from April 4-12.

¢ Approve as "signs of community interest" a request from the Lawrence Region Antique Automobile Club of America to temporarily erect directional and notification signs along 23rd Street in the area of the Douglas County 4-H Fairgrounds.

¢ Receive city manager's report.

Regular agenda

¢ Receive comments from Mayor Sue Hack.

¢ Conduct election of mayor.

¢ Conduct election of vice-mayor.

¢ Comments of mayor and city commissioners.

¢ Recess for approximately 20 minutes.

¢ Consider the following items related to the Oread Inn Redevelopment Project:

a.) Conduct public hearing regarding the Redevelopment Project Plan.

b.) Conduct public hearing on Oread Redevelopment Plan and the creation of Transportation Development District.

¢ Consider approving, subject to conditions, a site plan for improvements to the northwest corner of Ninth and Vermont streets (Carnegie Library).


igby 9 years, 9 months ago

Found it!


Picardy: A district with houses made with dark red bricks is in the style of Picardy.

Is this not the style of the Oread district?

igby 9 years, 9 months ago

If you look at the New Douglas County Jail, the One Million Dollar Round Tower entrance has a circle and eight pointed star enlay into the floor. This was done by someone's special request either the CC's or the arch. The style is very Norman and with a touch of the occult. A King Solomon's type star in a circle, surrounded by double pillars is very much occult-style archt. FYI.

igby 9 years, 9 months ago

Stull Kansas, just west and north of the Black Forrest. Many legends of the "stull devil" have been told, many different tales. However, the Native American Indians, that were here long ago may have started the legend.

I was told that the Devil fell to earth there in the beginning. Lol. The devils backbone on Oread Hill may have been started by the same natives.

igby 9 years, 9 months ago

Nostradamus Quatrains:

Verse 6:16

It refers to the Black Woods or Black Forrest; this it the area West of Kasold to Clinton Lake. It was know as such before the developers expanded Lawrence, West-ward.

Quatrain 6:16 states: "the black ones of the black temple from the black forrest".

Who could these people be?

Verse 6:16 states:

"They will make an Inn there in the fire, of Lombardy"

This line could have a double meaning and yet both be correct at the same time.

Lombardy, references a famous and well known football coach.

Also, Lombardy could be referencing the backbone or spine.

When Lawrence was first settled, before buildings were built on the hill. The hills west of Downtown Lawrence, where Oread is today was referred to as the "Devils Backbone", because of it's bare ridges and curved crest.

Nevertheless, the verse could be associated with the specific location either by the Football reference or the earlier name for the Oread Hills.

The Inn being mentioned and made by the Black ones of the Black temple from the Black woods is very interesting. Is there a Satanic Church in west Lawrence? I wonder? They could be running the town, news paper, and a large part of state government. lol.

The second line in the verse references the Normans of France, and specifically "picardy".

Is the Fritzel's Norman or French?

Who is this "Picardy". Is it a future player, coach, guest at the Inn, fan in the stadium?

The first line in verse 6:16 is the most shocking:

Carried off by the many young "Hawks".

Could this be a direct reference to the JayHawks?

See for yourself:

You will have to scroll down to verse 6:16.

Nostradamus, never tells about anything ever happening thats good; it's always destruction and trouble.

May be Lawrence, should not have all the Bio-tech labs here. They could bring a future world event, like a strain of virus that gets lose and is spread by a sporting event.

igby 9 years, 9 months ago

1200 A.D. France:


A people speaking language or dilec.

Student's practical joke.

See: Wikipedia

igby 9 years, 9 months ago

Nostradamus, could be making a "civil War" reference here by this word "picardy". However, the verse references the Inn, Hawks and the Black Forrest, which clearly puts it in the six century and of todays time.

Government, the Somme, battle, Fire.

Wikipedia is great but leaves us many options on "Picardy".

Richard Heckler 9 years, 9 months ago

Also USD 497 should be there to protect USD 497 tax dollars even if it means making the project owners finance the entire project through a bank.

TheYetiSpeaks 9 years, 9 months ago

16 comments, 4 commenters....Thats got to be a record or something.

Marty_McFly 9 years, 9 months ago

Every time I read a comment by Cool, it's like I've read it over and over and over and....

Flap Doodle 9 years, 9 months ago

Snap writes:

the link cool keeps posting actually goes to Marion's stinking pit of a 'forum'.








Marty_McFly 9 years, 9 months ago

cool (Anonymous) says:

Dear Yeti & Marty,

everytime i read about the Mayor it's about another corporate subsidy ?

There you go just keep bringing up the past.

Please talk about something new.

Whether you like it or not this building is going to be built. It's the future of Lawrence.

Flap Doodle 9 years, 9 months ago

Snap writes:

The link cool keeps posting actually goes to Marion's stinking pit of a 'forum'.

Jayhawker1 9 years, 9 months ago


So are you going to have some napkin drawings up to wow us all with a waste of time "alternate" version of Oread Inn?

BTW..Nice reposts sven... same ol' BS from the turd!

Jayhawker1 9 years, 9 months ago

For those of you not familiar with sven's portfolio, you can see his work, drawn on napkins apparently, at:

good stuff sven/cool

Richard Heckler 9 years, 9 months ago

If then bank will not finance the entire project at this moment in time perhaps the city should reconsider its' support?

not_dolph 9 years, 9 months ago

And here is a lovely private email from cool, from a different thread...but it really doesn't matter what thread it is from. Does anyone see the irony here???????


The user cool sent the following message to you via


response to NOT DOLPH ?

come on LJW, do something about not dolph and its getting warmer and sigmund. IGW & siggie are both polar opposite of my opinion - which is against coal plants and i believe that a lot of the static generated is because of my anti-coal and anti-spot zoning commentary.

i mostly write only about these two issues but not/dolph, sigmund, and IGW seem to always interrupt the forum in their own way by complaining about another forum member. whiners !


Please do not reply to this e-mail message. To send cool a response, visit this Web page:

cool pleads for the LJW to do something about not_dolph, It's getting warmer and about the LJW do something about Sven Alstrom!!!!!!!!!!!!!

igby 9 years, 9 months ago


You never cease to amaze me!

Nostradamus, tells of an event that could be bad news and all you can say is:

"gee I like the picardy style".

You really crack me up!

igby 9 years, 9 months ago


Picardy, is where the tunnel makes its exit that goes to Britian.

The Oread Hills is riddled with tunnels, lnking each of the older building together.

It's possible that an old tunnel goes right through the area where this Hotel is proposed to be built.

Now that would be interesting!

coool 9 years, 9 months ago

The Oread Inn will be a great asset to the city of Lawrence for generations.

No matter how it's paid for or what cool says.

igby 9 years, 9 months ago

Tunnel, deep underground parking facility; potential for a gas leak, Fire, explosion. Gee, I hope Nostradamus is wrong about this but if there is a tunnel it should be sealed not only there but up or down hill so that gas can't build up and cause an explosion. The tunnel exit would be like a barrel of a cannon going off. It would lift this Inn out of the ground and destroy the entire Oread hill and kill thousands or a hundred thousand if it happened during a football game.

igby 9 years, 9 months ago

Just say thanks to Nostredamus, for giving us the heads-up.

If there is a tunnel closing it properly would be of the upmost
public safety needs. Getting an Subsurface isopact map of the hill should no be a problem, However, just a word of interest; there are sub tunnels that may be close to the Inn's site but not directly breaching the Inn's dig location. Explosions underground will seek the route of least resistance when exiting.

igby 9 years, 9 months ago

Thanks Cool for your information you seem to leave nothing out. We all know by now that your the only voice of objection on this form to this Inn. History of the LJW will someday soon erase all your post from public view like they have done to others who objected to the Hotel being built.

Max!, Spywell and six others post have been erased forever regarding this Oread Inn. I guess LJW has an interest in the Inn and did not want any out of town investors to see the posters comments.

The only reason they haven't erased your post is because your so darn relentless and I'm sure they would not want you on their doorstep at the LJW, screaming at them.

Besides, there going to build this Inn regardless of anyones objection or come whatever, it will get built.

I respect your strong willingness to "kick against the pricks", of the world. The black ones from the black temple of the black woods are just everywhere it seems.

igby 9 years, 9 months ago

Cool: not likely, I'm Cherokee and Chicasaw, and the Native Americans of the plains could have buried their dead there. But the Cherokee's would of buried on a hill side, however the Chicasaw's always made their sites by rivers. The Shawnee, or agent tribes could have done so. It is the highest point on the hill.

They will find what they will find, however, this hill was cut by ice age movement. It will be interesting to see what mother nature has laid down there. Ku's interest should over-see the dig; I would think.

coool 9 years, 9 months ago

sven erik alstrom August 12, 2007 love the new website and soldier -- but more importantly i feel very close to you brian watching you continue to bloom as an artist and young man. when we met in 1999 i knew that you were so fresh and full of love that you would continue to grow and now it is wonderful to see this continue in your life trajectory. best wishes always. sven

toefungus 9 years, 9 months ago

The hotel is a done deal. Just kill the tax increase and move onto the next indignity. The city should participate on the profits if the hotel is sold since we are obviously an investor.

Jayhawker1 9 years, 9 months ago

SVEN/COOLWhy do you suppose a native american would want to sell land that he thinks belongs to no one? You are superb at kissing the butts of people that you think agree with you... yet another instance of your ignorance!

Jayhawker1 9 years, 9 months ago

I guess the 60's era ECM and the campus parking garage are part of the historic "charm", not to mention the apartments built in the 80's immediately to the east of the hotel site.... you're so ignorant.

KU_Dude 9 years, 9 months ago

Cool,Thanks for posting the date and time of the KU architecture student's Oread Inn proposal...again.For some reason I've missed it the 20 or so other times that you've posted it.Thanks,KU_Dude

Flap Doodle 9 years, 9 months ago

cool's still plugging marion's stinking pit of a 'forum'.

not_dolph 9 years, 9 months ago

Sven -How was it growing up...always being the kid everyone picked on? You poor sad little thing.

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