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March 21, 2008

To the editor:

Surely by now, most of you have heard the sound bites from Barack Obama's pastor, Jeremiah Wright. Are we to continue to believe whites are responsible for the racial divide that exists in America with fire-breathing racists like Mr. Wright and Louis Farrakhan out there spreading their message of hate? Is America ready to seriously consider a black president who has been mentored by this racist, Mr. Wright, and unofficially endorsed by Louis Farrakhan, the head of Head of the Nation of Islam.

Pastor Jeremiah Wright thinks Farrakhan is great enough that he awarded this Islamic extremist the "Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer" Award. What have we come to as a great nation? The far-left is gleeful to see this anti-American sentiment get a solid foothold in this once great nation.

Tom Shewmon,

Lawrence

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21 March 2008
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lounger (Anonymous) says…

Tom - get a life!
21 March 2008
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misseve (Anonymous) says…

I wonder how many of you who think that Obama is just like those who endorse him? Just because they do doesn't mean he is of the same mind set. There are people in this country both black AND white that are racists. So just because his former pastor's rhetoric is racially motivated bothers me less than the BS that people are saying now. IF your decision of who you vote for is based on those sound bites then shame on you. There are things in this country that make me ashamed on a daily basis and I am sure i have said just as inflammatory things about this country because of them but that neither makes me unpatriotic or a racist. Tom i think lounger said it best.

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21 March 2008
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mancityfooty (Corey Williams) says…

What about John Hagee who has endorsed McCain? He has said:
“Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.”

And:

“All hurricanes are acts of God because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that.”

And:

“The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West: a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ.”

How did McCain respond to the controversy surrounding John Hage?
“In no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee's views, which I obviously do not,” McCain said. Before issuing the statement, he told reporters he was “proud” of Hagee's spiritual leadership of his congregation.
21 March 2008
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ljreader (Anonymous) says…

A “typical white person” LTE response.
21 March 2008
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Oracle_of_Rhode (Anonymous) says…

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21 March 2008
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Oracle_of_Rhode (Anonymous) says…

To the editor:

Why does The Council on American-Islamic Relations get a pass on pressuring the U.S. government to install foot baths for Muslim cab drivers at Kansas City International Airport?

They have been installed for a Muslim religious cleansing ritual called ablution as part of a 10-step process called “wudu.”

Where is the ACLU? I thought they were the watchdogs for insuring separation of church and state?

Tom Shewmon,

Linwood
21 March 2008
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Oracle_of_Rhode (Anonymous) says…

Friday, December 9, 2005

To the editor:

You now are posting blogs to side up with the far left anti-God crowd; shame on you. I would like to know, did anyone see Mirecki get beaten? I think law enforcement needs to verify his story. It's never any shock what the radical left will do to promote their cause, including you and your newspaper.

Tom Shewmon,

Linwood

21 March 2008
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merrill (Anonymous) says…

Bush has killed or injured over 1,000,000 peaceful Iraq people. That overshadows anything Wright could say. Wright has no real power.

Meanwhile this could be devastating to millions of americans:

Has the president actually lied to the public about Social Security?
social security cartoon

Yes. President Bush has repeatedly said that those who put their money in private accounts are “guaranteed” a better return than they'll receive from the current Social Security system. But every sale of stock on the stock market includes the disclaimer: “the return on this investment is not guaranteed and may be negative”—for good reason. During the 20th century, there were several periods lasting more than 10 years where the return on stocks was negative. After the Dow Jones stock index went down by over 75% between 1929 and 1933, the Dow did not return to its 1929 level until 1953. In claiming that the rate of return on a stock investment is guaranteed to be greater than the return on any other asset, Bush is lying. If an investment-firm broker made this claim to his clients, he would be arrested and charged with stock fraud. Michael Milken went to jail for several years for making just this type of promise about financial investments.

In fact, under the most likely version of the Bush privatization proposal, a 20-year old worker joining the labor force today would see her guaranteed Social Security benefits reduced by 46%. Bush's own Social Security commission admitted that private accounts are unlikely to make up for this drop in guaranteed benefits. The brokerage firm Goldman Sachs estimates that even with private accounts, retirement income of younger workers would be reduced by 42% compared to what they would receive if no changes are made to Social Security.

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archiv…
21 March 2008
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adriennerm (Anonymous) says…

Come one Tom Shewmon, we all know the reason you don't want Obama to become president…b/c he is BLACK. That is the one and only reason. You are afraid to say that, therefore your coming up with any excuse to cover how you really feel. Some of you people really tickle me….. be honest and say what you really beleive. “Obama is black and I don't want a black man running my country” McCain has the same problem with John Hagee. Did you write a letter about that…nope. .
21 March 2008
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knayte (Anonymous) says…

The difference between Hagee and Wright is that Hagee was just some pastor who happened to endorse McCain, while Wright is a decades-long friend of Obama and his personal spiritual advisor.
21 March 2008
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Poon (Anonymous) says…

My bigotry is better than your bigotry. Nanny nanny boo boo.
21 March 2008
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Poon (Anonymous) says…

And lest my last post be misconstrued, let me just make it clear that my point is that hate is hate.
21 March 2008
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

And of course there is Merrill with his Bush-bashing cut-and-paste right in the middle of a thread!
21 March 2008
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Poon (Anonymous) says…

Darn. Meant to write that about the other LTE this morning. Better go grab some coffee…
21 March 2008
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knayte (Anonymous) says…

It would be time-consuming and pointless for a presidential nominee to explain any disagreements he may have with anyone who endorses him or her. Explaining one's long-standing personal association with a hateful race-obsessed pastor is necessary however.

I would like to see Obama win the presidency. But while I thought his speech on race was brave and unprecedented, I don't think it did enough to distance him from Rev. Wright. The issue is far from over, and rightly so.

21 March 2008
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OnlyTheOne (Anonymous) says…

Love it or leave it,
Oh man have we heard that before! A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
21 March 2008
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

scenebooster (Anonymous) says:

Mr. Shewmon, in all of your “wisdom”, please explain why you haven't been on these boards previously, decrying the “message of hate” of snake-oil salesmen like Hagee, Dobson, Falwell, et. al.?

We both know why, though, don't we?
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Uuuuhhhmmmmmmm…

Do you mean “previously?”

Or… ***recently***???

Oracle… I do think you may have stumbled upon something. Something I certainly never noticed.

The language, the rhetoric… it's all too obvious to me, now.
21 March 2008
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…

I see Thready McThreadjack (AKA merrill) was up early this morning.
21 March 2008
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dorothyhr (Dorothy Hoyt-Reed) says…

There's nothing wrong with pointing out the nasty comments of a pastor. I like doing that every time Falwell, Oral Roberts, etc. open their mouths. But I don't attribute their nut case beliefs to Bush. Even Bush steps away from their more bizzarro claims. Yes, Bush doesn't attend the churches of these guys (does Bush even go to church?), but he has openly accepted their endorsement and their help in getting him elected. I'm sure there were times when he wished he could shut them up, just like I'm sure Obama would like his religious endorser to clam up.
21 March 2008
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Finding_Uranus (Anonymous) says…

Tom Shewmon obviously has a deep sense of revulsion ofv the far-left media and the nutbag minority that has a collective voice loud enough to split an eardrum. All the rhetoric spouted out there over the past eight years about Bush and republicans on the far-left blogs/outlets has got you guys in a stupor. I relate to his lte and agree. The liberal media will do whatever necessary also, to prop up this potential trainwreck of a presidency.

Keep guessing who Tom Shewmon is/was????? It seems to soothe your conspiratorial minds.

Have a nice cheery day. Must hit the slopes now.
21 March 2008
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Roadkill_Rob (Anonymous) says…

“and suddenly because he's black , he gets a free pass?”

Uhm, what's this “free pass” you speak of? Do you not see that it's causing harm to Obama's campaign?

The blinders on some people never ceases to amaze me.
21 March 2008
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

Most of the hate seems to come from the right wing racists who can't stand the idea that a black might get elected. Course these same people also feel that way about a woman. So they will support a Bush clone like McCain who has no clue as to what his religious supporters are saying.
21 March 2008
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jafs (Anonymous) says…

It is obvious that the racial problems in this country do not have a simple cause and/or solution.

However, it would be good to remember that the history of this country includes the practice of enslaving, mistreating, and killing black people.

This was done by white people.

Is it surprising that there are those in the black community who are angry about this, and continue to distrust white people?

And, for the record, although I don't think it matters, I am white.

And, no, I don't hate myself, or hold myself accountable for the actions of Southerners in the pre-civil war era.

21 March 2008
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akt2 (Anonymous) says…

He's of mixed heritage. But I guess he has dark skin so it's assumed he is 100% African American. Regardless of his skin color, he would possibly make a decent President for domestic issues. But not a World Leader.
21 March 2008
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a2thek (Anonymous) says…

I think Fred Phelps has all these guys beat with a message of hate.
21 March 2008
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akt2 (Anonymous) says…

The black community was insulted by Don Imus. Pastor Wright makes that look like child's play. If it's going to get down and dirty with the race card, let's not allow double standards.
21 March 2008
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Pleiku (Anonymous) says…

I find myself stumped during this 4 year election cycle. If I disagree with one candidate I am automatically anti-women, if I disagree with another candidate I am automatically racist and if I disagree with the third candidate I automatically don't like old people who served in the military.

Perhaps this is one that I should just sit out.
21 March 2008
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Roadkill_Rob (Anonymous) says…

Obama also gave a “free pass” to whites who are angry. Did you watch the speech, Bowhunter? He was being diplomatic and saying he understands the anger on both sides. But, I guess you'll hear what you want to hear.
21 March 2008
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

All of the comments so far have been very, very predictable… what's been said, and who's been saying it. I am referring to both “sides” of this issue.

For me, Justin Gardner over at Donklephant.com summed it up best:

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While I think what Reverend Moss says is a fair defense of Wright, it doesn't matter. Those sound bites were incredibly inflammatory and the damage is done. If Obama gets the nomination you will see Wright in commercial after commercial, in an attempt to “swift boat” him as being anti-American. Because, if you haven't noticed already, that's the meme.

First it was the Muslim smears, then it was the flag pin, then the “refusal” to say the Pledge of Allegiance, then the parsing of Michelle Obama. And now it's Obama's crazy, America-hating pastor.

Again, “Obama is anti-American” will be THE meme. Mark my words.

http://donklephant.com/2008/03/16/oba…

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It's even better when you click on the link, because Gardner provides several links in these two paragraphs that do a nice job of backing up his theory.

I think you could almost blame these attacks on Obama's “inexperience.” With somebody like McCain, attacks on policy are much easier—you can say things like, “In his 20 years in the senate, John McCain has never once voted for/against [any hot-button issue]…” There aren't any real opportunities for those kinds of attacks on Obama, so the extremists (like the author of the above letter) are desperately hanging their hats on the old standbys of fear, predjudice, and “guilt by association.” And they will continue.

Already, today, we've now come to learn that there's been some snooping in certain passport files…

http://www.cnn.com/2008/politics/03/2…

Obama's was reported first; now, it's been discovered that Hillary Clinton's has also been probed. Will they find out the same thing about John McCain?

I doubt it. History tells us this is partisan hackery…

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage…

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21 March 2008
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

What's next? I predict that in the coming months, as long as Obama remains a contender, we'll see at attack on his military service, or lack thereof. **Something** along these lines will be served up (it's probably already being pieced together)… maybe, “Obama was turned down for military service because of his ties to [insert name of fringe group/movement here]”…?

**If** Obama gets the nomination, count on that old classic to be heard again: Marital infidelity. If Obama is the nominee, count on such a “scandal” breaking in October, just weeks before the election. Remember, this tactic was tried back in 2004, but it wasn't finessed enough… it wasn't organized well enough… and it was uncorked too soon.

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/politic…

Republicans/Conservatives will put much, much more work in their infidelity attack on Obama. They don't want it falling apart like the last one.

Agnostick
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http://www.americanplan.org
21 March 2008
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Developing story from CNN…

The State Department confirms that all three presidential candidates' passport files have been breached.

Hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…

Would they find the same about Huckabee and Ron Paul?

21 March 2008
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Mkh (Anonymous) says…

So what exactly is the “message of hate”? I've been paying attention to the economy lately and am out of loop on the media distraction du jour.

Is this all really about Wright saying Hillary didn't understand what it was like to be a “n-word” and that US foreign policy brought on 9/11?

There has got to be something else, right?
21 March 2008
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ksdivakat (Anonymous) says…

I really dont understand what all the fuss and name calling is about. Who cares what color Obama is, the fact is that he has aligned himself with anti-american, racist, angry “spiritual” leaders. He has aligned himself with farrakahan who is a kook from jump, and I think it is absolutely hilarious that everyone thinks that Wright only said about 5 minutes worth of ranting in one sermon….are you serious?? People dont just “become” racist, they dont just wake up one morning and decide this is the day I think Im going to be racist and preach a sermon on anti-white, anti-american politics! Its not just 1 thing that has come up about Obama its several things that are adding up to big things…..when you lay with dogs, you get fleas, and im afraid Obamas fleas will cost him the election this time….next time, he should align himself with better people.
21 March 2008
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Finding_Uranus (Anonymous) says…

The libs crying about a message of hate? I recommend you left-wingers to review your speech over the past seven or eight years.

This Obama debacle feeds your blood, it keeps you focused on your anti-American agenda, doesn't it?

It helps you to fall under the illusion you're gonna give 'the man' the boot and turn America into the the America you envision….one that is going to close the books on America.

In summary, you are all just simply a joke.
21 March 2008
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Snopes will probably fill up an entire web server by the time November rolls around…

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/

ksdivakat, thanks for the ongoing laughs!
21 March 2008
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kubacker (Anonymous) says…

Richardson has been working for a while on getting just the right look for his announcement of support for Barack-X, and I see he finally found it with his newly grown Chicano goatee.

Barack-X, who threw his innocent grandmother overboard, and C. C.(Cesar Chavez) Richardson, who threw Bill and Hillary overboard - standing shoulder to shoulder and transcending race!

Memo to Barack-X: Any chance you ever had at the Presidency is over with!
21 March 2008
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

When I was in college, my minister said he would not seek to approach families that moved into the neighborhood because they were black and would cause problems. It was the usual custom to approach families that did move into the neighborhood. I confronted the minister about this and went in front of the church and aired my opinion about the inappropriateness of his actions. He did not kick me out of the church. I rejected his position and not him. That is my understanding of Christianity. Later, I appreciated the minister a great deal for traveling a long distance to attend the funeral of my grandfather. That was a comfort to me. I share this with you to hopefully illustrate that relationships are complex. If we value the relationship in some ways, we don't cutoff from them due to their being certain aspects of negativity as well. In fact, all relationships have both, if we are honest. I also don't think we judge a candidate on one thing. Obama was raised by his mother and grandparents. His mother is from Kansas. Obama was able to graduate from Harvard Law School with honors, despite his unfavorable childhood conditions. If he was a Republican, he would exemplify the Republican message. Rejecting no doubt, numerous offers from law firms, he chose to work in a low income area of Chicago. While not poor now, he is the poorest of the candidates that are running. While it could have been in his best interest to put down those who run against him and also his minister, he did not. That is an act of courage, which is rare in politics. It appears to me, that while certain slanted people out there rave on about character, when it is present, it isn't seen by them. What does that say about the real agendas that they are pursuing? I don't claim to be a “good” Christian, but there seems to be an un-Christian like negative frenzy regarding this matter. Once again, good Christians are not visiting the homes of the black families.
21 March 2008
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ksdivakat (Anonymous) says…

Careful kubacker….you will be called a “redneck” “retard” and many other mature names coming out of supposedly grown adults, although I wonder most of the time, but if you are against Obama then you are racist, a terrorist, a conservative idiot, and many of the other names that they come up with….we are not to have our own opinions according to the obama camp here on ljworld, we are to bow our head in silence and pretend that these bloggers have in fact solved world problems before, stood up to terrorist, stood up to anti american sentiment, and stand for something, although Im not sure what….other than a bunch of blow about blah blah blah …….so keep in mind that if your not with the obama clan then you are in deed a redneck!!!! rotflmao
21 March 2008
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EXks (Anonymous) says…

WalMart has a sale on Wonder Bread, some of you need to stock up!

21 March 2008
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

“…. if you are against Obama then you are racist, a terrorist, a conservative idiot, and many of the other names that they come up with:.”

This doesn't have to do with whether you are for or against Obama. This has to do with creating fictional reasons to be for or against someone.
21 March 2008
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ksdivakat (Anonymous) says…

And what would be fictional rshrink?? What exactly are the “lies” that people are telling on him?? I am most curious to know this, I dont put alot into the media, but I am curious as to what is fictional propaganda that is spreading about him??
21 March 2008
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mancityfooty (Corey Williams) says…

The “madressa” Fox said he went to?
21 March 2008
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kubacker (Anonymous) says…

Any day now CC Richardson will be telling us his father was a “typical white person” who started shaking in his boots everytime he saw a Mexican walking toward him on the street. Barack-X and CC - a matched set. When CC dropped out of the race he literally had lower poll numbers than Steven Colbert. He is a gold plated racist and owes his entire career to the Clintons, who, of course, he just threw under the bus!
21 March 2008
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ksdivakat (Anonymous) says…

logic….is it true that this preacher went on a anti american anti white rant?? is it also true that wright stated that ferrikhan was the one true ultimate leader?? (or something along those lines, I dont rememebr the direct quote) and has obama disassociated himself with these people?? No, he hasnt, ive been saying all along it isnt one thing that obama has done its a long line of little things that i believe will end up being bigger things by november.
And I dont believe I have ever called anyone a name or put them down for their opinion, thats not how I work, I believe everyone is entitled to their opinions and I respect that. AND you say your more afraid of me to vote than other people…really?? I thought this country was about everyones opnions and that everyones vote counted, but I clearly see that its everyone except me in your opinion…..that is sad, as everyone no matter what the views or beliefs, should be encouraged to get out and vote, not to stay away!
By the way, did hagee or the others referenced specifically say anything toward black people, white people, hispanics?? anything of this nature??
21 March 2008
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storm (Anonymous) says…

This letter was full of hate and sadly the author thinks pastors are mentors instead of ministers.
21 March 2008
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Unfortunately, folks, as we've seen today… trolls are very much like weeds…
21 March 2008
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ksdivakat (Anonymous) says…

and by the way…I have no yellow magnets on my car…..lol

21 March 2008
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

“As for the comments of Hagee and the others-frankly, I don't care. Again, I am not one to hold a candidate accountable for the thoughts and opinions of his supporters (on the left OR the right), when there are so many more relevant things to judge them upon, y'know, like the um:. issues.”

I agree with the importance of focusing on the issues. McCain and Obama have very different views about Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, health care, education, abortion and on and on. These are two people who see things very differently, so as to which ministers they hang out with or kiss up to, that may not be so important of an issue. It is interesting that McCain was more of a Goldwater conservative who did not really think that religion had a place in politics. McCain seemed to agree up until he became a candidate, then he sought out Bob Johnson at the university and he also sought out Hagee. I do see this as different. Obama had a long standing relationship with his minister and did not seek to align himself with that minister to get votes. In fact, he has tried to make it clear that their views are different. On the other hand, McCain sought these ministers out in order to court the uncommitted votes of the religious right. This is a very different alliance than was seen previously when he was only functioning as a senator. I think that sudden change of agendas is clearly more troubling, although certainly not unusual for politicians as we know.
21 March 2008
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BigDog (Anonymous) says…

I listened to Obama's speech closely …. and it was a decent speech.

But it is hard for me to believe that you sit in the church pew for 20 years listening to preaching led by Pastor Jeremiah Wright and somehow you don't agree with him.

If I strongly didn't agree with the pastor of my church ….. and his views ….. it would not take me 20 years to figure it out.

Obama has proven to be like most politicians; they will throw most anyone under the bus in order to get elected.
21 March 2008
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georgeofwesternkansas (Anonymous) says…

Obama is in the fight of his life with a white democrat and now anything negative is the fault of all white republicans??

And I am sure as the democrat party implodes this summer that too will be the fault of all white republicans.

If you want Obama as your candidate, tell your white woman to shut up and go away, republicans are not standing in your way, nor are they responsable for your current state of confusion in selecting a candidate.
21 March 2008
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

BigDog…

So you believe, 100%, every single opinion that has ever come out of your pastor's mouth? On every issue?

As well as the opinions of your spouse, children, parents, siblings, and other family members?

And if you disagree with any of these folks, on even one issue, no matter how big or how small… you turn your back on them, walk away, cut them out?

No matter what?
21 March 2008
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ckennedy (christy kennedy) says…

A little context is helpful:

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21…

Wright is tackling complex and shameful issues in an intelligent manner. What Fox “News” keeps playing are inflammatory bits with no explanation of their meaning. You could take almost anyone and broadcast a few of their words and make them out to be lunatics. LISTEN to what the man is actually saying-he makes a lot of sense. He makes way more sense than Fallwell, Haggee and some of those other RIghtwing fundamentalist lunatics.
21 March 2008
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georgeofwesternkansas (Anonymous) says…

The superior intelect of the democrat party strikes again in 2008. And the republicans will not even have to run a buffoon like Bush to beat you. You insist on making the most ignorant choices and blaming everyone but yourselvs. What is wrong with you??

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.a…
21 March 2008
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redjayj (Anonymous) says…

I never owned a slave.. I dont know any slaves. Wasnt that outlawed 150 odd years ago? no one with the exception of john mccain was even alive then. get over it!!!
21 March 2008
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ljreader (Anonymous) says…

Here's what I've been wondering- Since Obama is half noble Kenyan, and half typical white person, does he get afraid when he sees a black man only half of the time?- or does it only half scare him-
or is that “typical white person ” gene that is “bred into” people recessive?

21 March 2008
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

“If I strongly didn't agree with the pastor of my church :.. and his views :.. it would not take me 20 years to figure it out.

Obama has proven to be like most politicians; they will throw most anyone under the bus in order to get elected”

Some churches are like communities and like families to a great extent. Obama said that. You may not agree with everything your father says, but he is still your father, so you politely listen and then develop your own ideas. So, I don't think that everyone thinks like the above poster.

Obama lost his father and he moved around a lot while growing up. I think people in that circumstance will often try to find a place where they can put down roots. It is often the congregation that keeps people in one place and not necessarily the minister. Another poster above also pointed out that when words are taken out of context, they can be misunderstood. In addition, when people are able to express their feelings, it allows the feelings to change. I don't think it is necessary however to excuse the minister. Again, I would recommend that people look at what Obama has done and watch what he does in the future. I don't see Obama throwing anyone under any bus. In fact, it appears to be quite the opposite. He attempts to work with the diversity that is there rather than tromping on other people's ideas.
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

“What is wrong with you??”

I guess we haven't been suffering from life deprivation for so long that it makes us poor subjects for being taken over by the pod makers. But if your ignorance is bliss, then why try to think?
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a2thek (Anonymous) says…

The white house is called the white house for a reason.
It's full of white people. I guess there is a reason why there has never been a black or woman president. Why is that?
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redjayj (Anonymous) says…

hate is hate doesnt matter who is spewing it.
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cowgomoo (Anonymous) says…

A few points here:
1. This is not guilt by association. Obama has said that Wright is his mentor and someone that he seeks counsel from.

2. What possible positive context is there for stating that the CIA created HIV and intentionally spread it to black people?

3. What possible postitive context is there for giving Loius Farakhan a lifetime achievement award?

4. What possible postive context is there for saying shortly after 9/11 that America had it coming? America didn't get anything that day. 3000 people lost their lives.

5. What possible positive context is there for a Christian pastor to yell “God Damn America” repeatedly?

If these are taken out of context, what is the context? They seem like simple declarative (although horrific) statements.

If my Pastor said half these things or gave David Duke a lifetime achievement award, I wouldn't wait until I was running for office to repudiate them, and I certainly wouldn't remain a member of that church.

If Wright is his mentor and counselor, I don't want Obama anywhere near the Whitehouse. Too scary.
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bearded_gnome (Anonymous) says…

and indeed we must question Obama's judgment. he chose this church. he has had his two little daughters under this teaching. his mother and grandmother woundn't feel very comfortable in that church for sure!

Obama has renounced the antisemitic views of Farrakhan, but he has carefully avoided renouncing Farrakhan's equally horrific anti-white statements.

KSdivakat, you are right to be concerned about this Obama who was supposed to be the candidate who transcended race. now, his mentor is found to teach these things and more. he teaches black liberation theology, that has very little to do with the Bible. in it: “kill the white oppressor.”

and, a small thing, but in his speech Obama said his grandmother worked on a bomber assembly line at ft. Leavenworth (implying WWII I think). no such bomber assemblyline was at Leavenworth.

the far left crazies do a lot of shouting on this blog but the fact is that this pastor Wright controversy has hurt Obama a lot with undecided voters for example. and he is beginning to lose those who had decided for him. What is really sad about the liberals on this thread is that they so quickly resort to the racist namecalling. that makes real racists less meaningfull: Wright; David Duke.

it is incredible to me how willingly they will excuse Obama for this when they would never excuse a white politico, or especially a republican white politico. their hypocrisy is really glow-in-the-dark strength today!
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

Bearded Gnome, what is the source of your information?
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

cowgomoo, again Obama is a Harvard Law school graduate and has been a senator. What do you know of his service as a congressman that would worry you? Aren't your comments really reactionary. You are acting as if he is a criminal. He doesn't have a record. In fact, he has been respected by his colleagues. How does that fit with your comments?

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booyalab (Anonymous) says…

No one would continue to support any candidate that attempted to justify a membership to Westboro Baptist Church, and the Black Liberation Theology of Wright and Farrakhan is every bit as extremist and offensive. This is such a double standard.
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Y'all keep up the laughs… I'm enjoying every minute of it!
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nickhawk (Anonymous) says…

The “rationale” of “yes, it is racist, but your side is worse,” along with the “I know I am, but what are you” isn't even acceptable from children, yet seems to be the basis of debate between who we will select as president. Racism is obviously evident from all sides of the issue. That is one of the many reasons why solving this problem is so incredibly difficult. I still don't see the pastor/mentor connection. I have had several mentors in my experiences, as well as many pastors. Never was anyone in both categories. Never was there anyone who I agreed with on all issues, even those that are important. I have no problem separating Obama from Wright, or McCain from those identified in above comments, just as I separate myself from those with whom I respectfully disagree.
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booyalab (Anonymous) says:

“No one would continue to support any candidate that attempted to justify a membership to Westboro Baptist Church, and the Black Liberation Theology of Wright and Farrakhan is every bit as extremist and offensive. This is such a double standard.”

Here is yet another example of trying to make something out of nothing. You need to focus. Where is any wrongdoing? There is none and that is why there is this attempt to make up something. What we have here is blind faith to a party and since the party has a misguided candidate, rather than allow people to focus on finding that out, one can just make up things to become alarmed about. When you find legitimate problems with this candidate, then let me know.
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BigPrune (Anonymous) says…

I thought Liberals hated bigots. They not only love bigots, they embrace them.
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uhadmeatsmellthis (Anonymous) says…

Maybe those on the right used to be at least considered bigots, but every indicator now points to those on the left carrying the bigot torch–and quite nicely I would say.
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bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

Liberals have an extreme dislike for Big ots, much the same as for Big Prunes or other large fruits…
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bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

le says:

“every time i wipe my butt :..i see obama !”

So what are you doing in his bathroom you tool?

Go back to your van/”mobile home” down by the river.

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jumpin_catfish (Anonymous) says…

Hate crimes abound, we need someone to stop it and make us all play nice. Oh Hillary help us, we are all such stupid fools, lead us to the light before we destroy ourselves! Ha ha ha! Wright's a joke, Obama's a joke, McCain's a joke, only the Hillbilly can save us! All hail the Hillbilly!
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

“BigPrune (Anonymous) says:

“I thought Liberals hated bigots. They not only love bigots, they embrace them.”

Don't worry, I won't embrace you.
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

Harderfaster (Anonymous) says:

“Until I saw Barack's church I never realized Blacks hated Whites so much.

It's sad.”

Get a brain
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Maybe those on the right used to be at least considered bigots, but every indicator now points to those on the left carrying the bigot torchand quite nicely I would say.
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le (Anonymous) says:

every time i wipe my butt :..i see obama !
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bad_dog (Anonymous) says:

Liberals have an extreme dislike for Big ots, much the same as for Big Prunes or other large fruits:

(See above)
This is why cousins shouldn't marry.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

Can't believe all the racist's posting here. Glad they are not representative of the entire country. Douche, just admit that the thought of a black or part black as president scares the hell out of you.
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le says:

bad dog : get back on yer porch:.for your info im sittin by the pool watchin the flat screen in sunny california! with a incredible view of mt. diablo:.my guess is your sittin in yer backyard yellin at the wifey to get you another “billy beer” as your scratchin yer butt wonderin where did i go wrong? beer fartin,duck callin,waste of life must be gettin to ya! i`ll keep sittin here by the pool countin my money while you head on down to the kwik shop to buy another lotto ticket!!! hahahahahahahahahah yuk yuk!

and…

s`matter big dog? you scared of a female leader?or are you another one of them republicans that have kept the great state of kansas in the crapper for all these years? and why you pickin on people that live by the river or in a trailer? are you saying your better than them? im saying no! im fortunate enough to spread my wealth :what do you do to help those less fortunate than yer banjo pickin (blank blank)?

le, if you have such a wonderful life out there in CA, what the heck are you doing posting out here in our little corner of the world? Don't you have enough going on in your own life? Don't, however, mistake my lack of posting as somehow being intimidated by your run-on sophomoric blather. I simply choose to spend my life doing things other than “postin and waitin”.

It's obvious by the nature and content of your posts as well as your comments above that you either don't want to have an intelligent discussion or are simply incapable of engaging in one.

Your comment regarding Obama has been posted numerous times. My only regret is that I even responded to you. You obviously don't understand that I'm not leaning to the right or I wouldn't be calling you out for saying something asinine about Obama. And no, I'm not threatened by the thought of a female leader, I just want one that is in fact qualified, not one that claims to be so simply because she lived in the White House for 8 years and listened in on the Oval Office with a glass to her ear.

As for folks living down by the river, no I don't have any problem with them at all. We all have to live somewhere. I just used that as an example because your remarks were about on par with that famous motivational speaker, Chris Farley.

With regard to my contributions to society, I give of my time and my money to several causes. That doesn't make me anything special, but at least I'm in the game. Considering the nature of your comments, and your overall tone of disrespect, I suspect you are more about spreading the BS than any purported “wealth”.

Now get back to cleaning the pool before the boss returns. You now what he said he'd do the last time he caught you sleeping on the job.

Oh, and don't bother doing any more posting and waiting for me to respond. Just save it for someone who cares, if any such person does exist. I'm gonna go watch the Hawks continue on their path to San Antonio…
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

regarding the exchange between le and bad_dog, this speaks volumes for the future and Obama's ability to unify the party of the Democrats.
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redjayj (Anonymous) says…

Obama wouldnt be any worse then what we have now

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bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

Godot says:

“regarding the exchange between le and bad_dog, this speaks volumes for the future and Obama's ability to unify the party of the Democrats.”

OK-it's half time in the NCAA game…

Your point is well taken, but I think it's more an issue of argument ad hominem than just getting back to prioritizing the issues we ALL as Americans need to urgently address. If you want to use Rev. Wright's vitriolic statements against Obama, that is each indiviual voters' option. Personally, I don't believe they reflect the character of Sen. Obama as Red_Peters and numerous others have observed. I believe Obama is the singularly most uplifting breath of fresh air we've seen in as long a period as I can recall.

Despite your observation above, irrespective of the outcome of the convention, I will support the prevailing candidate in November. Likewise, I believe the remainder of the party will close ranks to prevent the perpetuation of Bush, part 3.

Now, back to the game…
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

What is about Obama that triggers the racists in the posters here? Just shows how ignorant far too many Kansans are
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

some people have a pathetic existence, most of them are racist. Kansas has far too many of them.
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

I disagree that Obama is uplifting. His campaign is expert in the personal attack. I am absolutely no Clinton fan, but I think Obama's tactic of taking personal offense at Bill Clinton's statement that he would like to see two people who love America run for President while talking about issues is way over the top. And Obama's ntroduction of McPeak so he could denounce Bill Clinton at the start of his speech in Oregon today was a study in hypocrasy, considering that Obama made a dig at Hillary within the first few sentences of his oratory.

Obama is trying to set the conditions of the campaign in such a way that he is at liberty to direct ad hominem attacks at his opponents and make contradictory statements without question, while labelling anyone who questions his logic, or his tactics, or his qualifications, as a McCarthyite, or unpatriotic, and/or a racist.

This is an ingenious, though devious, tactic; I hope it does not stand the test of time.
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bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

Red, Red, Red…

My apologies if I took your comment incorrectly. Time will tell about the success of Obama's candidacy. I don't think he's done by any means and if you do, you're underestimating him. He wasn't the first African American Editor of the Harvard Law Review or a Professor of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago (one of America's preeminent schools of law) because he lacks intelligence, savvy or toughness.

IMHO, ignorance is denying he's a viable candidate because his middle name is “Hussein” as so many from the right cling to as if it's sufficient self-affirming condemnation to eternally damn him. Equally absurd is the contention he lacks the requisite experience to lead this great country. Is there a Presidential primer? Tenure inside the Beltway does not necessarily equate to dynamaic leadership capability.

Aside from the alleged guilt by association via Rev. Wright's comments, what shred of evidence exists to support your contention Obama is racist?

Just my opinion. I could be wrong…

Time to eat-have a good night.
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

bad_dog, you just illustrated my point; Obama did not just “associate” with Wright, he personally chose him as his mentor in 1991, and his public utterances place his loyalty to Wright over his loyalty to his own grandmother.

I challenge you to defend the choice of joining a church that touts “liberation theology,” which is what Obama did when he joined TUCC nearly 20 years ago, for someone who strives to be the president of the United States.
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

correction: change “liberation theology” to “black liberation theology” which is the theology that Wright espouses.
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

Summers_Eve (Anonymous) wrote:

“I think Mr. Shewmon wrote a letter inspired by a deep concern for the future of America and my advice to him is not to worry, Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim by birth, will not likely be elected president. If he is, god help each and every one of us.”

“If there ever has been an 'anti-Christ' moment in modern American politics, this racist former Muslim is the one and only. Think twice please, all you far-left anarchists, please.”

What are you smoking while you are watching FOX network?

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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

Godot wrote: ” challenge you to defend the choice of joining a church that touts “liberation theology,” which is what Obama did when he joined TUCC nearly 20 years ago, for someone who strives to be the president of the United States.”

Response:
Gee, he joined 20 years ago and still hasn't taken over the world and created massive havoc? Looks like we don't have anything to worry about does it. Maybe, his joining was the cause of the church going in a positive direction instead. You have heard that Obama dedicated himself to the positive progress of the people who live in poverty. Maybe you actually have to consort with people that you want to help.
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

The lack of thought and apparently actual information is amazing here. Has Fox news not informed the fox faithful that Senator Obama was raised by white people? Yes, his white mother is from Kansas, you know the liberal state?
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sundancewierdo (Anonymous) says…

Marion (Marion Lynn) says:

“And of course there is Merrill with his Bush-bashing cut-and-paste right in the middle of a thread!”

what a hypocrite you are. aren't you the link posting, cut and paste lefty basher?
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bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

Godot says”

“bad_dog, you just illustrated my point; Obama did not just “associate” with Wright, he personally chose him as his mentor in 1991, and his public utterances place his loyalty to Wright over his loyalty to his own grandmother.

I challenge you to defend the choice of joining a church that touts “liberation theology,” which is what Obama did when he joined TUCC nearly 20 years ago, for someone who strives to be the president of the United States.”

Godot, why didn't you answer my question posed above? Isn't responding to a question with another question just evading the issue?

Rather than be accused of similar conduct myself, let me respond to you by citing some of the basic concepts upon which the founding fathers began in 1776, e.g. freedom of religion and from religious persecution, freedom of speech and freedom of lawful assembly. Any of these ring a bell?

With respect to your observation that Obama placed his loyalty to Wright over his grandmother, that's not the speech I listened to. What I heard Obama say was that although he strongly disagreed with Wright's statements he understood why he made them, much as the way some of the sterotypical fears and epithets his grandmother expressed made him cringe-yet he uderstood the basis for these statements as well.

Once again, we the people of this United Sates in order to form a more perfect Union need to collaborate instead of differentiate. When “W” became President in 2000 I didn't like it, yet I accepted it as reality without whining because he had a reputation as a collaborator that worked both sides of the aisle for the collective good. Now, some seven plus years later I believe the exact opposite to be the case. Nevertheless, if Sen. McCain wins, I will accept it and hope to dear God he is able to right the Ship of State for our collective good. While national defense and domestic security are of the utmost importance, there's a lot more at stake; affordable/accessible health care, education, Social Security, economic growth and stability, the environment, alternative energy-the list goes on and on. No matter how we prioritize the items, as well as the numerous others I did not list, we need to learn to work together or we will fail together, of that I am certain.
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toefungus (Anonymous) says…

Obama's grandmother did something that the preacher could not. She moved on.
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bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

toefungus says:

“Obama's grandmother did something that the preacher could not. She moved on.”

And you know this because?
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a2thek (Anonymous) says…

Doesnt it seem strange that the KKK is backing Obama just for the simple fact that they dont like Hilary. How is that possible?
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bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

le's back with more sage observations… Always posting something truly intellectual, enlightening and otherwise contributing to the discourse aren't you le? Be sure to verify your Obama vision the next time you get off the potty chair… That is of course, assuming you don't get stuck to it.

My comments about pool boys aren't denigrating to those who actually work while drawing a wage; they're just directed toward you-in response to your pseudo elitism.

Now back to ignoring you le…

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swan_diver (Anonymous) says…

I think Reverend Wright's pronouncements about the history of race relations in the United States is accurate, righteous, and right-on.
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

Now, one dare not accuse Obama of being a liberal. It just goes on and on……what is real and what is not? Reality is peception…….Soros rules…….

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/2…
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

“Godot (Anonymous) says:

Now, one dare not accuse Obama of being a liberal. It just goes on and on::what is real and what is not? Reality is peception::.Soros rules::”

Red_Peters (Anonymous) says:

“Now the new preacher there at Trinity, Otis Moss, has proclaimed that the criticism of Wrights' racist rants is a 'lynching'. Thank you for that information Preacher Moss. Love your 'rap' style of delivery at the pulpit.”

Wow, if you dudes keep up this insightful dialogue, I think you could earn yourselves an internship on FOX, one for Hannity and one for Billo.
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

With all of this nonsense, we should be learning why there is a need for separation of church and state. Look at McCain, and his unsolicited visits to see Hagee and Bob Jones, trying to suck up to the crazy ministers to get the conservative vote. Now, he isn't sure that he wants it. But would that be Dr. Jekyl or Mr. Hyde as it appears McCain is vying for the flip flop award.
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BigPrune (Anonymous) says…

Why are oil prices going through the roof? Because OPEC wants Barak Hussein Obama to win. He's one of them.
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bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

BigPrune (Anonymous) says:

“Why are oil prices going through the roof? Because OPEC wants Barak Hussein Obama to win. He's one of them.”

BP, were you aware the American Heritage Dictionary provides a secondary definition for prune?

Slang: An ill-tempered, stupid, or incompetent person.

I'm not pointing the finger at you, but comments like the one above sure have to make a reasonable person wonder about you and your ilk that insist on reciting Barack Hussein Obama's name in a paranoid manner. Regardless what you think of him as a person or Presidential candidate you can't realistically believe the rhetoric you espouse.

Perhaps if you say his name quickly three times in a row and click your red slippered heels, you'll be transported somewhere other than Kansas…

Have a great evening.
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

To the person above who refers to Malcolm X:

Malcolm X lived and died when black people were getting strung up, blacks were segregated, and pretty much hated in the south by most all white people. It was very troubling times. If you did not live through that time, you wouldn't understand. Malcolm was a hero and someone who inspired other black people to stand up for their rights. Do you have a problem with people doing that? His encouraging of black people is what got him killed by white guys. Do you think those kind of white guys made white people look bad?
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rshrink (Anonymous) says:

As we have learned more about this church, we learn that the church accepts people from many different faiths. That sounds like tolerance, not hate. And, what a novel concept, acceptance of differences, not so much like many of the mainstream media hogging ministers we have seen for so many years.

This is a community centered church where people come together and share. It is not a minister centered church. The church in black neighborhoods has long been a gathering to provide comfort and a respite from the troubled world. It isn't so much like many white churces where people drive there on Sunday, impatiently wait for the sermon to end, so they can get home and eat a big meal and watch sports on TV.

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P. S.

Do I need to remind you again that Senator Obama's mother is white, which in case you have missed something, half of his family is white, the half that he grew up with. He might feel at home with white people. He has even tolerated debates with white people, including close contact with Senator Clinton. And to be even more clear, Senator Obama has not been advocating the killing of white people.
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

P. S,

Nice trick, using the I D name which is attempting to associate Malcolm with Senator Obama. Did you learn that trick while getting your business degree? Or, just watching FOX news? Lets face it, if that is all you got, you don't have much.
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/m…
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bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

My pleasure l (as in lower) e (as in echelon), but I believe your addled brain must be confusing me with Big Dog. Oh well, time for you to get back to cleaning the pool. BTW, you really need to stay off the property owners' computers. You'll get canned if they catch you doing that again.

Now, I really, really promise to ignore you as quite frankly neither one of our exchanges are adding anything to this discussion. Don't forget to check that Ph level as you leave…
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

Obama for President and Go K U.
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bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

Ditto rshrink!!
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

I visited the TUCC website when this pastor eruption began. After visiting it today, I will state that, unequivocably, there have been major, major changes in content.
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Arana (Anonymous) says…

Unless Obama went out of his way to support Wright after his little speech. I don't see why it should play any part in how I vote. There are more important issues to decided a presdential canaidate than this. (Excuse of the spelling errors if you could. Falling asleep at the computer is not the best time to write a response)

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rshrink (Anonymous) says…

Obama isn't a Muslim and the report is that 99% of the people who go to his church are white.