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Cheney links Iraq invasion to 9/11 attacks

Reconciliation effort again fails

March 19, 2008

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— Amid tears and wails, mourners in the southern city of Najaf on Tuesday began burying victims from a suicide bombing that killed nearly 50 worshippers and injured dozens of others just before evening prayers Monday in nearby Karbala.

In Baghdad, a long-anticipated Iraqi national reconciliation conference began with great fanfare, then quickly dissolved into the usual sectarian and political stalemates that have marred several similar gatherings in recent years.

But Vice President Dick Cheney gave an upbeat view of conditions in Iraq as he concluded his unannounced trip to mark the fifth anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion. Cheney also defended the toppling of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein as part of the struggle against terrorism following the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

This month, an exhaustive Pentagon-sponsored review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents captured during the 2003 U.S. invasion found no evidence that Saddam's regime had any operational links with the al-Qaida terrorist network.

But Cheney, who spent the night at a sprawling U.S. base in the northern town of Balad, told soldiers they were defending future generations of Americans from a global terror threat.

"This long-term struggle became urgent on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. That day we clearly saw that dangers can gather far from our own shores and find us right there at home," said Cheney, who was accompanied by his wife, Lynne, and their daughter Elizabeth.

"So the United States made a decision: to hunt down the evil of terrorism and kill it where it grows, to hold the supporters of terror to account and to confront regimes that harbor terrorists and threaten the peace," Cheney said. "Understanding all the dangers of this new era, we have no intention of abandoning our friends or allowing this country of 170,000 square miles to become a staging area for further attacks against Americans."

Cheney later traveled to Irbil, the capital of the mostly autonomous Kurdish region, for a meeting with Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani, before flying to Oman.

Monday's devastating security breach at one of Iraq's most sacred places added to the pressure on Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to make recent security gains stick and to keep the country on track for October elections.

The Baghdad reconciliation conference was intended to bring the country's warring factions to the negotiating table.

But only half of the 700 invited guests showed up, and any real chance for negotiations dissolved when both the leading Sunni Muslim bloc and the powerful faction loyal to the rebel Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr announced boycotts.

Comments

repaste 7 years, 2 months ago

As you can see there is a true evil threat in the world. He will be allowed home though. This guy is really amazing, a true threat to our way of life.

ndmoderate 7 years, 2 months ago

The Bush/Cheney Administration: The Place to go for Half-truths and Untruths.

Brought to you by the voters of America....twice.

Eileen Jones 7 years, 2 months ago

The link between 9/11 and Iraq is that allowing 9/11 to go down made it possible to dupe the public into letting the neocons attack Iraq.

That's the only link.

They think the American people are idiots, and they are mostly correct.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 2 months ago

9/11/01 is perfect example of republican incompetence.

geekin_topekan 7 years, 2 months ago

Dear Mrvalue,where is the link between being rich and being AMerican?How does having millions make you worthy of such office(unless you buy it)? Super wealthy people don't get that way by being compassionate and community minded,they have to step on people along the way.Hardly an AMerican value but very much a EuroAmerican tradition.

daddax98 7 years, 2 months ago

mr "values" no one is saying G-- Damn America we are saying G-- damn Bush and Cheney for lying to the Amecican people and causing untold death and misery. But I can see where you can miss that small little distinction. geez

daddax98 7 years, 2 months ago

b_asinbeer,

that is an insult to tools everywhere

Universe 7 years, 2 months ago

If this administration is soo 'incompetent' and should have never taken us to Iraq then why haven't we been attacked again? Luck? In contrast; what was the legacy of our last democrat anti-war President (1991 WTC attempt, and Monica).

Lest you people forget your wonderful party also voted FOR this war. If they felt 'lied to' (after the fact) they received the same intelligence as the President.

So... If you don't believe Cheney - don't. But the dirty little secret is no matter WHO you vote for they won't get us out of Iraq. Democrats aren't going to wear the pin of defeat around their neck. Seems to me this 'invasion of Iraq' term carries no water; instead, it's an excuse for some democrats (who truly hate) to despise a US President merely because he 'is'.

Universe 7 years, 2 months ago

anxiousatheist: Yes, and it's 'freedom of speech' that allows a certain church to spew it's verbal bile about in Topeka.

geekin_topekan 7 years, 2 months ago

Don't put words in my mouth it really belittles your argument,what little validity it had. But,I am not saying utopia or COMMUNISIM(wtf?).I am asking where the link between super wealth and American virtue lies since you have defended Cheney and used his money as an example of his esteem. Btw,Rush is on.Youd better tune up your pointless babble because as this thread rages on,you're losing your flare.Go listen to Rush there will be a quiz later.

jonas 7 years, 2 months ago

"Everytime you and the libtard clowns speak out against the USA the terrorists gain recruits, build resolve and a comraderie develops between you."

Do you really believe this crap? How do you think those numbers would stack up to "Everytime the USA attacks some country based on questionable motives and questionable intelligence the terrorists gain recruits and build resolve." The idea of camaraderie is simply too ridiculous to even bother including.

I also must admit that I find it sad that your two benchmarks for accomplishments are nothing more than the accumulation of wealth and the accumulation of power.

jonas 7 years, 2 months ago

"In contrast; what was the legacy of our last democrat anti-war President (1991 WTC attempt, and Monica)."

A longer stretch of time between attacks in the continental USA than we've experienced thus far to date, and I can safely continue to say that (not that I think it really means everything) for another 3 years.

Universe 7 years, 2 months ago

Evil America... Typical extremist; but they wouldn't trade their hate-filled, peace sign, hippy life here to live in 'any' other country. We're almost TOO free.. Evil America I say.

jonas 7 years, 2 months ago

make that (not that I really think it means ANYthing) not everything.

jonas 7 years, 2 months ago

"Evil America: Typical extremist; but they wouldn't trade their hate-filled, peace sign, hippy life here to live in 'any' other country. We're almost TOO free.. Evil America I say."

Do you think they (whoever they are) are filled with more or less hate for America than you are filled with for Them (whoever they are)?

Mkh 7 years, 2 months ago

I'm not sure what the argument is over. I agree with Cheney 100%, the Iraq invasion is certainly linked to 9/11.

Without 9/11 the American people would never have been fool enough to go along with the invasion of Iraq. Cheney and everyone else knew this, they even stated it in PNAC...go read it. Zbigniew Brzezinski also famously wrote about the concept in the "Grand Chessboard" years prior.

www.newamericancentury.org

www.amazon.com/Grand-Chessboard-American-Geostrategic-Imperatives/dp/0465027253

"The attitude of the American public toward the external projection of American power has been much more ambivalent. The public supported America's engagement in World War II largely because of the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor." (pp 24-5)

"For America, the chief geopolitical prize is Eurasia... Now a non-Eurasian power is preeminent in Eurasia - and America's global primacy is directly dependent on how long and how effectively its preponderance on the Eurasian continent is sustained." (p.30)

"It is also a fact that America is too democratic at home to be autocratic abroad. This limits the use of America's power, especially its capacity for military intimidation. Never before has a populist democracy attained international supremacy. But the pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion, except in conditions of a sudden threat or challenge to the public's sense of domestic well-being. The economic self-denial (that is, defense spending) and the human sacrifice (casualties, even among professional soldiers) required in the effort are uncongenial to democratic instincts. Democracy is inimical to imperial mobilization." (p.35)

www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard

btw...Brzezinski is now Obama's foreign policy advisor....can you feel the "change" in the air?

Mkh 7 years, 2 months ago

"In contrast; what was the legacy of our last democrat anti-war President (1991 WTC attempt, and Monica)."

Who on Earth are you referring to? Clinton?!?!?!?!

Do people actually believe William Jefferson Bythe (Clinton) from Hope, Arkansas was an "anti-war" President????????

I can't tell if people can't remember that far back or if they are just that dumb...either way it's scary.

Universe 7 years, 2 months ago

jonas: Not hate, frustration over their arrogance... We don't attempt to 'shut them up' or destroy their lives/careers if we disagree; they do. And if you think the whole Clinton situation was nothing more than some hate filled 'right-winged-conspiracy', it wasn't us who forced him to lie or do whatever with an intern... He got impeached all on his own.

Extremist democrats hate - and this is easily proven.

Universe 7 years, 2 months ago

Mkh: World Trade Center attack (first time) President Clinton's watch. Had the opportunity to put Bin Laden behind us. Nothing...

Clinton - anti war president = "resided" in France while American boys were getting drafted.

Yes.. Dealing with the left is scary.

brujablanco 7 years, 2 months ago

Hey cman (Mr. Valueless) go back to Rivershi**y - Wittman is waiting for his hero to return.

Universe 7 years, 2 months ago

Defender: Yes I did. Read the post in context.. Was referring to Mkh's comment about Clinton being an anti-war President.

You won't understand this, but I'll try to describe it anyway. Soo-called extremist folks on the right hate what they call 'sin' (not the person), as they get their 'moral' value from a book called the bible. In contrast; the left hate that because they feel the right is standing in their way of whatever chosen life they choose (for instance gay relations) when in fact no one is standing in their way of anything - what they want is for US to believe the way they do! And if we don't they'll force some sort of rediculous legislation...

The left in general feel they're being judged by bigoted, sexist right winged people, when all it really boils down to is hate for what the right stands for - which is a God that leftists want nothing to do with...

Universe 7 years, 2 months ago

Mkh: and the internet was invented by who???

Mkh 7 years, 2 months ago

Universe (Anonymous) says:

"Mkh: and the internet was invented by who???"

WTF? Do you have A.D.D. or something? What does this have to with anything?

jonas 7 years, 2 months ago

"We don't attempt to 'shut them up' or destroy their lives/careers if we disagree; they do."

I believe I've seen both.

"And if you think the whole Clinton situation was nothing more than some hate filled 'right-winged-conspiracy'"

No, I don't. I think it's pretty clear Clinton broke the law and deserved to have repercussions based on that. I think the entire thing, both the impeachment and the later acquittal, were based more on political chicanery than the real issues supposedly driving it, but that's another story entirely.

jonas 7 years, 2 months ago

Mr. Values: You can call me naive, but it wouldn't be true. I have a fairly good understanding of the various mechanisms and influences that drive nations and the world, and I understand the necessity of power and influence in doing such. The issue with your comment was suggesting a direct comparison with anyone here and Cheney based only on the one principle that you put forward as being comparable. (I suppose I could have chimed in on my opinion of people calling our administration a bunch of idiots as well, but it seemed like I was too late to the game for that) To say that people here have accomplished nothing solely because they aren't millionaires or high-powered politicians is foolish, if that was the only way to gain social accomplishment then all we'd have in our country is politicians, and no one would get any work done.

As far as the wielding of influence and force, the only likely disagreement between us is that you have given the impression that violent force is the only workable key to moving forward. I disagree completely. There are certainly other mechanisms with which to guide and facilitate decisions. Second, I posit that solely relying on force has had as many negative side-effects as it has had positive gains. I think we should remain open for other methods of dealing with the problems confronting us.

Certainly, I see the purpose and necessity of armed resolution to conflicts. But clearly such usage can be inefficient and frequently misdirected, emasculating its ability to be an effective tool of policy.

simplykristib 7 years, 2 months ago

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. The bombing at the WTC took place in February 1993 not 1991. Get your facts straight.

Don't ever call people unAmerican because they don't support the war in Iraq. They are only unAmerican if the don't support the troops. I support our troops but do NOT support the war in Iraq. What a big waste of money it has been.

By the way, I did not vote for Bush and Cheney in either 2000 or 2004.

RedwoodCoast 7 years, 2 months ago

No, defender, you see, Mr. V is offended by Muslims. He probably has never even met one, but he finds their religion offensive.

Mr. Values: "The left in general feel they're being judged by bigoted, sexist right winged people, when all it really boils down to is hate for what the right stands for - which is a God that leftists want nothing to do with."


See, there you go. He's just as bad as he thinks they are, only with another deity. And by the way, I think Cheney is a slimeball.

bad_dog 7 years, 2 months ago

Mr. Values says:

"An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep."

Still LMAO off at the simplistic irony of this post from the right side of the pasture...

bugmenot 7 years, 2 months ago

Could you explain why you call people women as a means of insulting them, Mr Valueless?

I never cease to be amused at the hatred stupid people have for the well-educated.

EXks 7 years, 2 months ago

Does "W" know Prez Dick is vacationing in Iraq?

Better keep Dick off the front lines, he might just shoot one of our own in the face.

bad_dog 7 years, 2 months ago

EXks: Good question, but does Sen. McCain know Dicky Boy is in da hood?

Mkh 7 years, 2 months ago

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bad_dog 7 years, 2 months ago

He's probably gone to the bunker with Dicky.

jonas 7 years, 2 months ago

Well crap, I missed all of this. Does anyone know if he responded to me, by any chance? Was that part of the calling people women thing?

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 7 years, 2 months ago

"Why do you hate America so much Mr_Values? Why do you love bin Laden so much?" Defender Bin Laden wasn't in Iraq. He is in Afghanistan. Notice how I had to use is, not was. Bush in his infinite stupidity decided to invade a country (coincidentally one with lots of oil), and Bin Laden got away. Defend that bozo.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 7 years, 2 months ago

Oh, and the reason Al Queda has been too busy to attack anything, because they are too busy building up their recruits in Iraq. You know, all those people who have lost their homes and family members?

jonas 7 years, 2 months ago

logic: Thanks. You buy one iPhone and the rest of the day is totally shot.

daddax98 7 years, 2 months ago

you are correct Logicsound04, I almost never agreed with him but at least he kept the conversation interesting. Like it or not this board IS very liberal and needs the other side to provide some sort of perspective balance. Bring him back Award Winning Journal World I am sure he will promise to be nice

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