LJWorld.com / Abortion bill wins first-round approval in House

Archive for Tuesday, March 18, 2008

By Carl Manning - Associated Press Writer

March 18, 2008

Topeka — A bill that anti-abortion lawmakers say will lead to tighter restrictions on late-term abortions advanced Monday in the House.

The bill, given first-round approval on a voice vote, requires women to receive more information about the fetus and the procedure beforehand. It also addresses underage women, who supporters say often are coerced into having an abortion. A final vote of approval is needed to send the measure to the Senate.

Bill's details

Sponsoring Rep. Lance Kinzer said the legislation didn't outlaw any legal procedure, including late-term abortions that involve a fetus determined to be 22 weeks or older.

The bill requires abortion providers to give a woman having a late-term abortion copies of documents stating the reason for the procedure and whether it's needed to prevent substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function, as the law requires.

"Many times, women don't know the justification for an abortion unless they seek their medical records," said the Olathe Republican.

It also requires doctors, at least a half hour before any abortion, to allow a woman to view the ultrasound image of a fetus and the heartbeat sound if that type equipment is used.

It also requires physicians to inform a woman at least 24 hours before any abortion about free counseling and free hospice services for fetuses or terminally ill newborns.

Under the bill, the State Board of Healing Arts must revoke a physician's license to practice if he is convicted of performing an illegal late-term abortion, unless two-thirds of the board decides the doctor poses no public threat.

Reaction

Reactions from both sides of the issue were predictable.

"It's wonderful. It's not deficient anywhere," said Kathy Ostrowski, of Kansans for Life, the state's largest anti-abortion organization.

Julie Burkhart, lobbyist for the abortion rights group ProKanDo, said the bill doesn't help women.

"The intent is to restrict access, to block access, and it does nothing to protect the health, safety and well-being of women," she said.

Efforts to send the bill back to the Federal and State Affairs Committee failed, as did a move to replace its language with another bill that isn't as far reaching.

"It's our annual debate. Why don't we leave what we have on the books, which is a very tight law?" said Rep. Annie Kuether, a Topeka Democrat who tried to return the bill to committee.

But Rep. Peggy Mast, an Emporia Republican, said, "We need to give women more time to think about their decision."

Kinzer said women often are coerced by parents are others to undergo an abortion.

"The time to ensure women in the state don't face coercive abortions is now," he added.

Other parameters

The bill requires any minor seeking any abortion to provide proof of identification and residence. Any person accompanying a minor also must provide identification and sign a statement about their relationship and whom the father of the fetus might be.

Kinzer said the bill also clarifies the steps a minor must take to get a judge to allow the abortion if the girl doesn't want to tell her parents.

It also allows any group of 10 citizens to file a lawsuit against the Kansas Department of Health and Environment if they feel the agency hasn't released all the information required by law about abortions performed in the state.

The department says it's following the law.

"The report is not being issued with all the information required by law," Kinzer said. "The question is whether the report is compliant with the law."

According to health department, 11,221 abortions were performed in 2006, of which 380 were late-term. In 2000, 12,323 abortions were performed, 639 of them late-term.

Abortion opponents say doctors filling out the required state paperwork simply recite the language of the statute in listing a reason, rather than providing a specific medical reason.

The bill also allows a woman who had a late-term abortion, her husband if he's the father, or parents if she's a minor to file a lawsuit for monetary damages for violations of the law.

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18 March 2008
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

It also allows any group of 10 citizens to file a lawsuit against the Kansas Department of Health and Environment if they feel the agency hasn't released all the information required by law about abortions performed in the state.

Here you go; any group of 10 fanatics can file a lawsuit. Can you say harassment?
Just what the likes of parkay needs

Why can't the legislature do their job and stop pandering to the fringe nuts?
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SettingTheRecordStraight (Anonymous) says…

Anything to strike at the heart of the abortion holocaust in this country is a wonderful thing.
18 March 2008
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sfjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

funny how rednecks are anti abortion because 'all life is sacred' but are generally pro death penalty.
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BrianR (Anonymous) says…

Most of the time when I see Kinzer's name in the news it makes me wish abortion was retroactive.
18 March 2008
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

STRS, so you want to legalize harassment, the hell with due process. Just force everyone to follow your beliefs.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

skip the kindly.
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acg (Anonymous) says…

Careful, there, cool. You're treading on dangerous ground. It almost sounds as if you're not for this war and if that's the case, then you're not a damned fine 'merican and for that you should burn in al-qaeda hell!! Hey, STRS, I'll thank you to keep your brainwashed BS away from my uterus.
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

As beobachter pointed out already, this whole big piece of legislation is merely concealment and padding to sneak a few lines onto the books, under the radar:

“It also allows any group of 10 citizens to file a lawsuit against the Kansas Department of Health and Environment if they feel the agency hasn't released all the information required by law about abortions performed in the state.”

Talk about “selling out to special interests!” Kinzer merely wants to turn the reins of KDHE over to Newman and Sullenger, two of the most violent extremists on the planet.

This bill needs to be done away with, and pronto!

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dorothyhr (Dorothy Hoyt-Reed) says…

“Many times, women don't know the justification for an abortion unless they seek their medical records,” said the Olathe Republican.

Yes, women are just stupid and have no knowledge of their health. They are being duped into getting an abortion by ruthless doctors. Kinzer, you make sure you take care of us clueless women. We obviously aren't smart enough to make our own decision. Wasn't it your buddy, can't remember her name, who thought women should have never gotten the vote? What kind of people live in Olathe who keep electing these women haters?
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SettingTheRecordStraight (Anonymous) says…

Those of you who so firmly believe that aborting a developing child is a “right” akin to having your tonsils or your spleen removed, please feel free to lobby the Kansas legislature. That's what I do - although my message to them is probably a little different than what yours would be.
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SettingTheRecordStraight (Anonymous) says…

Beobatcher,

You call the proposed law harrassment. I call it social justice.
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oldvet (Anonymous) says…

sfjayhawk (Anonymous) says:
funny how rednecks are anti abortion because 'all life is sacred' but are generally pro death penalty.

Maybe those “rednecks” believe that the innocent should be protected and the guilty should be punished (?)
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

STRS, I call it “fascism.”

The judicial system is for everyone, equally… not just “The Ten.”
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

You know, when I first started reading the article, I thought, “This is really just grandstanding on Kinzer's part, but overall, it's not a bad bill. It really doesn't interfere with abortions that are already legal.”

It was the clause about “The Ten” that immediately soured me on the bill.

So, okay…

There are many components of the bill that “protect” innocent women, underage women etc.

Suppose the bill's one clause about “The Ten” was removed… and the rest of the bill was left intact?

Would Kinzer and his cronies support it?

Would you, STRS, support it?

parkay, gypsynatalie, other extremists… would you folks still support it?

Remember… only this is removed:

“It also allows any group of 10 citizens to file a lawsuit against the Kansas Department of Health and Environment if they feel the agency hasn't released all the information required by law about abortions performed in the state.”

The rest of the bill is left intact.

Yea or Nay?

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cait48 (Anonymous) says…

I doubt very seriously there is a single woman who goes in for an abortion that doesn't know why she is having it. They can't outlaw abortion because the feds won't let them but they can certainly make it so bogged down in red tape that by the time you get through jumping through all of their hoops it's too late anyway. This places an undue burden on women but since they really don't care about women they accomplish their goal anyway. They can't outlaw it but they can certainly make it very uncomfortable to get one. I really have the feeling that with the possible exception of the west coast legal abortion is going to go the way of the dodo. SCOTUS is now packed with conservatives just waiting for the right case to come along to strike down Roe v. Wade and several states already have laws waiting in the wings for that to happen. So parkay and STRS are going to get what they want eventually and manage to force their ideology down our throats whether we want it or not. Welcome to fascist America.
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storm (Anonymous) says…

Just another checkbox…the patient isn't required to view the ultrasound, just that the doc is required to allow them to view it….Still better than going to California or New York for the procedure, or Mexico, or being deemed by a court as unstable in order to have the procedure in your home State. Still better now that health care facilities are more sanitary than years ago…And one shared feeling by all…no regret, just relief.
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ebyrdstarr (Anonymous) says…

sure, it's just another checkbox. Let's be honest and call these proposals what they are. They are not about making sure that women have more time to make the decision to abort. They are not about making sure women have all the relevant medical information. These proposals are about making it as difficult as possible for women to have abortions. These proposals come at it from a psychological angle. Before you kill your baby, don't you want to hear its beating heart one last time? Before you destroy your severely deformed fetus, don't you want to hear about all the lovely options for its care if you let it live?

Interesting that Kinzer et al are so concerned about women being coerced into having abortions, but spare no effort to coerce women out of having them. The proponents of this bill have no interest in helping women make the right decision for themselves. They just want to make sure that women make the decision Kinzer et al think is right.
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bondmen (Anonymous) says…

Pro aborts, especially ones elected to public office, almost always say abortion is a woman's right, but quickly follow up and say that it should be used only rarely. What other rights do we have that should only be rarely exercised? What is so beneficial and helpful about a right which should only be a rare one? Rather, shouldn't the question be what's so bad about it that the pro aborts would only want abortion to be rarely exercised? Isn't this so called right to abort a pre-born human being actually a big, bad wrong!
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

There is no such thing as a pre-born human. It's called a fetus before birth, then it's called a baby. Too bad you people fail to understand that simple fact.
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dorothyhr (Dorothy Hoyt-Reed) says…

In the case of late term abortions it's not a matter of “waiting time”. It's often if you don't abort, then you will die or have serious health problems. Never mind that if the mother already has children and would be left motherless. And never mind if the baby was finally born, but killed the mother. The father can always find another wife to raise the kids.
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logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

The World According to Wingnuts
by logicsound04

Doctor: I am required by law to give you these documents about abortion before you proceed.

Woman: Okay, thank you.

Doctor: You really don't have to read them—I wouldn't if I were you.

Woman: Hmmm; why are you being so secretive?

Doctor: *subvocalises*-C'mon, c'mon, take the bait…let's crank up this quarter's revenues. *Aloud*-Oh, no reason, just trying not to waste your time.

Woman: Maybe I'll give it a glance….oh my GOD, this abortion will prevent me from having a child?!?!? Why would you try to dupe me like this?

/end scene/
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WHY (Anonymous) says…

You guys hate women.

No you women hate babies.

No you guys hate freedom

No you guys hate God.

hahahaaaa

I hope you all settle this debate soon.
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sdinges (Anonymous) says…

Agnostick: Yes, I would. But the clause about the ten made me roll my eyes. That's all we need in Kansas is for our Health Department to be overburdened by lawsuits because a few obsessive nuts don't want to believe they're getting the correct data.

I admit, I also rolled my eyes at: “Many times, women don't know the justification for an abortion unless they seek their medical records.” I seriously doubt this is the case. If it's an adult, then she knows why she walked into the doctor's office to get her abortion, and most twelve year olds also know why their parents are taking them to the abortion doctor. But whatever, providing a copy of the paperwork is harmless, and if it stops people crying that women are being tricked into abortions, then all the better.

The rest doesn't bother me. If seeing an ultrasound or hearing a heartbeat changes a woman's mind, then obviously she wasn't firmly confident of her decision and she has every right to change her mind before it's too late. The bill also allows the State Board to make a decision regarding licenses, which sounds fair to me.

I think people on both the Pro Life side and the Pro Choice side don't give women enough credit to make their own decisions and educate themselves. I don't see this law as 'restricting access' and I also don't think it's going to change the number of abortions in Kansas.
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jumpin_catfish (Anonymous) says…

sfjayhawk said: funny how rednecks are anti abortion because 'all life is sacred' but are generally pro death penalty.

I say: funny how all pro life folks are characterized as rednecks by the pro death crowd
18 March 2008
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K_Verses_The_World (Anonymous) says…

Proverbs 8 (Wisdom, personified, speaks)
33 “Listen to my instruction and be wise;
do not ignore it.
34 Blessed is the man who listens to me,
watching daily at my doors,
waiting at my doorway.
35 For whoever finds me finds life
and receives favor from the LORD.
36 But whoever fails to find me harms himself;
all who hate me love death.”
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acg (Anonymous) says…

You know what I got from that Kvstheworld? Blah blah blah, (snoopy adult noises), yada yada yada, (yaaawwwwnnnn), more religious nonsense and the end. You believe in that garbage, that's great. Not everyone does. The abortion issue is a religious issue for most pro-lifers. They want to scream about Jesus and all that happy crap and that's all well and good, if you buy it. For those of us that aren't so easily duped, what you just wrote there is just biblical blathering.
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absolutelyridiculous (Anonymous) says…

Nothing brings out more liberals death lovers than the word “abortion”. Ever notice they are the most discussed stories on this site?

Take a way abortion and oh you might have to be responsible for your actions and you might have to live and learn from your actions. Allowing abortion is degrading to women because most guys out there are using their partners for selfish sexual gratification anyway and the result is a human life. Now how is that honoring and respecting the life of a woman? Women….wake up!

My audience here…the majority anyway…believe in a legistlated life. Blame the governement for your problems, let them take care of you when you are ill or bankrupt, and expect the government to dictate your morals and your conscience…let the law decide for you. Come on! Can't you think for yourselves?

Truth. I hear the rumble of it coming.
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absolutelyridiculous (Anonymous) says…

Oh let's dissect this one from anxiousatheist:

“There is no critical thought in the “pro-life” mind-numbing rant you hillbillies are stuck in. I'm sorry you can't grasp life outside your own reality, and chose to take the side of a non-human vs. a real, conscious human being.”

And your “critical thinking” is based on your own reality as an atheist. Where is your critical thinking? Oh…based on some Journal of Medicine. Pretty narrow and shallow. Small reality dude.

“My vote is with the living human every time, and no, a fetus is not a human, no matter how much you pray it to be.”

You are very evidently offended by a creator so your “vote for a living human every time” is talking out both sides of your mouth. A fetus is a stage in the development of our human species…unless you chop it up or ram a rod through it's brain stem right before it might be delivered prematurely.
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absolutelyridiculous (Anonymous) says…

scene
No assumptions on the male thing. Reality. We are influences by the influences of our pornographic age.

Legistlated life if abortion were outlawed?
Depends on whose life you are talking about…the one who has the right to choose or the one who goes through the blender and can't speak up…ever.

I don't need that in the law books realize that abortion is legalized murder. …my critical thinking at work. AND my freedom to say it.
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anxiousatheist (Clint Gentry) says…

“Where is your critical thinking? Oh:based on some Journal of Medicine”. This is funny as it seems that you are acting like you are smarter than the medical profession! I'd much rather give my life to science, reason and modernity than the brain-numbing, cave-man philosophies of the bible. “You are very evidently offended by a creator”. I'm not offended my a creator because there is no evidence for one, what I am offended by is the ignorant followers of an imagined “creator”. It doesn't matter how hard you believe if it's completely false. “There's nothing true about a lie…”
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logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

“Truth. I hear the rumble of it coming.”

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Yes, it's about to broadside you in the head.

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“Where is your critical thinking? Oh:based on some Journal of Medicine.”

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Which is why I'm sure you refuse to be treated according to the latest and most effective medical treatments, correct?

Your screenname is quite fitting.

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“A fetus is a stage in the development of our human species”

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So is sperm. So are eggs. Since when is being a stage in the progression to human existence synonymous with “human being”?

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“or the one who goes through the blender and can't speak up:ever.”

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There is a reason that “they” can't “speak up”. Use your critical thinking and try to figure out why. When you do that you may understand why
abortion =/= murder.

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“AND my freedom to say it.”

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Your freedom to speak and your right to sound intelligent are apparently two wholly different things.

But please, feel free to continue expressing yourself.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

logic, your last 2 sentences summed up how i feel about average anti-abortion nutcases. As long as they only talk and keep their nose out of my space. The problem is they aren't intelligent enough to.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

Need to have Johnson county water and environment checked. Something has to be wrong, if one county can produce people like Kline, O'Connor and Kinzer. There has to be a toxic waste dump or something there.
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Jcjayhawk1 (Anonymous) says…

Anyone know the difference between birth and partial birth?
It's the diameter of the navel. If the fetus/child is hanging out and does not show the navel then it's cool to cut it up. Anywhere past the navel…..well time for adoption.

It just amazes me the fine line there is between what is considered life and……what can be cut up and scrambled.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

The ignorance displayed by anti-abortionists amazes me, both the scope and depth of it.
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Jcjayhawk1…

Which life is “wanted” less:

1) The one that's “cut up & scrambled?”

2) The one that's left in a trashcan, or in a dumpster, only minutes after birth?

Do you know the difference between a “parent” and an “activist?”

The activist stops caring about the “life” the moment the ankles have left the womb.

The parent stops caring… well, truly, the parent *never* really stops caring. No guarantee you'd know anything about that, though. ;)

It just amazes me the fine line there is between what is considered “saved” and… what can be tossed out with the garbage.

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dorothyhr (Dorothy Hoyt-Reed) says…

“Before you destroy your severely deformed fetus, don't you want to hear about all the lovely options for its care if you let it live?”

And, of course, none of those options should include anything paid with tax payers money. That would be welfare.
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logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

“It just amazes me the fine line there is between what is considered life and::what can be cut up and scrambled.”

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There will always be a fine line. It's the nature of the beast.

The issue is that some people would like to define that line for everyone else.
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Roadkill_Rob (Anonymous) says…

For you “pro-lifers,” have any of you ever adopted a child? If not, then you have no argument.
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dorothyhr (Dorothy Hoyt-Reed) says…

There is a simple solution to this whole issue. If you don't believe in abortion, don't get one. If you do think abortion is what you need to do at this time, get one. I don't think it's any of my business to tell someone else what to do. And you can go on and on about your religion, but not everyone holds the the same religious beliefs, like it or not. You can't force your religious beliefs on others, unless you really are looking to form a theocracy here in the US. And I can tell you that will never be allowed to happen.
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anxiousatheist (Clint Gentry) says…

“Anyone know the difference between birth and partial birth?” Better questions, “Is anyone completely and utterly obsessed with other peoples issues?” “Can we concentrate more on what other people are doing and less on my pathetic life?” “How can we make more dumb people that will help my voting bloc?”
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oldvet (Anonymous) says…

Hey, Roadkill… I have… 2 wonderful children… I am so thankful their birth-mother chose not to kill them… so I guess my arguments are OK by you now…
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

oldvet, are you claiming they are adopted? Why do I question that?
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…

One of the components of the abortion bill this time around (there is usually at least one bill per session lately) is to require that women be told that the fetus reacts to pain just like a live child or adult would - by trying to escape it or cringing - and so the bill would require they be told…and then offered a pain killer expressly for the fetus before the procedure (abortion) continues.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

values, too bad you have none or the ones you claim to have are total BS.
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…

To those who are against abortion - remember the premise is that all life has value. So name calling and abuse of those who are living (no matter how much they aggravate you) is not consistent with the “value human” life basis.

To those who are for abortion - remember that your support of laws allowing the procedure is viewed by some as support for killing babies, which can be a highly emotional trigger - so please try to rise above the name calling.

To all - there is probably never going to be a complete agreement on this topic. So why not try to find some common ground, if possible. For example, can we agree that the women and girls who are deciding what to do about an unwanted pregnancy need some kind of help, and figure out how to better help them?

Name calling is for children or those who think like children. The abortion debate is far too serious for immaturity.
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logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

Mr_Hyperbole, aka conman, get some new material.

Your ignorance is showing.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

“Kinzer said women often are coerced by parents are others to undergo an abortion.
“The time to ensure women in the state don't face coercive abortions is now,” he added.”

Well, is he going to take over the care, home, food, insurance etc., for the mother, and three other children, one severely handicapped, when the unborn child's father threatens to hurt her, take her other children away from her, in fact is standing over her, demanding she call to make the abortion appointment saying, Don't you say anything to screw this up..his fist shaking in her face? Screaming at her for days?
Or the young fiance, who's man says she absolutely has to get an abortion, because they aren't prepared to care for the child, and if she doesn't, the wedding is off? She has no family to help her with a child, and she's only 18?
In both of those cases, it was a woman who would never want to kill her child, but giving birth just wasn't allowed. Not everyone has the privilege of being able to just walk out of the relationship and give birth.

And how many abortions, save the lives of a pregnant woman..murder being the #1 cause of death for that same group?
Would it be better to have the number of Scott Petersen type cases come up?
Do most women hope to be buried in someone's backyard?
Beaten and burned in a field?

Coercing doesn't limit itself to underage girls and their parents, it comes in many forms.
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ilikestuff (Anonymous) says…

Justthefacts, I completely agree with you!!!

It would be more worthwhile to respectfully discuss this topic as opposed to calling one another names and seeing who can state the more demeaning or scathing comments.

If you are one who is directed by God's spirit, please show the grace expected of you. If you are one whom God offends or are offended by rationale dependent upon him, please show that you are above such contemptible words.

Thank you.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

My daughter is here visiting and she just read this. She turned to me and said, I haven't heard the “Polite Police” around in a long time.

(Full House, she and her little sister, Polite Police were their big thing.)

Thanks for making us both smile.
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pace (Anonymous) says…

Churches should not be tax free. They should pay taxes.
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cait48 (Anonymous) says…

Y'all leave Mr_Values alone, and let him ramble. The comedic value of his paranoia is just: so much better than anything ever put out by the likes of Richard Pryor, Robin Williams, Chris Rock, or even Bill Cosby.

“facism”:!

“selling out to special interests”:!!!

Folks like Operation Rescue, LIFE, Randall Terry and Troy Newman are raking it in, hand over fist, from poor suckers like Mr_Values (as well as other extremist crackpots found on the LJW forums).

In turn, Mr_Values and his buddies waddle off like sheep(le) to the shearing: shorn of their intellect, reasoning, deductive thinking skills, logic: and ultimately, hard-earned dollars.

Sad: but funny!

morooooons or loooonns?
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logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

Typical conman. Namecalling and belittling comments. I'll move out of my parents' basement as soon as you say something worthwhile.

How long before you lose your temper and flame out this time?
19 March 2008
at 10:18 a.m.

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logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

I called you Mr. Hyperbole. You were using hyperbole to make your point.

Do you really think that is hateful (more hyperbole)?

By the way, if you're new here, how do you know what I have or haven't done to warrant being removed?

Watch out for those black helicopters pal.
19 March 2008
at 11:22 a.m.

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logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

Thanks Conman. I appreciate it. Really.

Never has the term “shadenfreude” applied so perfectly to how I feel about someone.

You provide a constant reminder that I could be worse off.

Thank you.
19 March 2008
at 11:41 a.m.

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BABBOY (Anonymous) says…

Mr. Values:

The reason logicsound has not been kicked off the site is that he generally does not start the fight, he only responds, and even then he does so (pardon the pun) in a logical way. The reason folks like dollypawpaw and dotsline appear to have been booted is that they would post numerious attacking hateful posts of questionable taste usually directed at liberals or something similar. In pawpaw's case, every post was attack against liberals or classes of people that she in her limited view disliked.

Values, frankly, you appear no different in that you pretty freely throw around the liberal word to prove your point. I think what logic is saying — I admitt that I did not read all of the posts and will leave that to those who totally neglect their work — is that you are using name calling to prove your lame point whatever it is as opposed to using logic and reason.

This of course was made popular by your fearless leader George Bush when he used fear to get elected verses any established plan to solve our nations problems. But, one only need look at McDonalds or any other franchise based on marketing to know that this country is prone too choose fluff over substance everytime.

My guess is that is why you call yourself “Mr. Values.”
19 March 2008
at 12:31 p.m.

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cait48 (Anonymous) says…

I'm troubled by the fact that parkay has not weighed in on this yet. I sincerely hope that he/she is ok and just off on vacation somewhere up in Topeka, down in Wichita or over in KC chaining themselves to some clinic door or won a weeks free ride in the Operation Rescue abortion van. I hope they return soon. I miss my bi-weekly laughs.
19 March 2008
at 2:36 p.m.

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absolutelyridiculous (Anonymous) says…

Are you people still here? Go DO something.
19 March 2008
at 3:21 p.m.

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logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

Didn't attack you, just called attention to your use of hyperbole to make a “point”.

Thank you for the compliment, but just as friendly advice, it is spelled “loved”.

It's too bad you can't be as respectful of BABBOY's opinion as you are of mine.
19 March 2008
at 4:51 p.m.

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daddax98 (Anonymous) says…

BABBOY,

just as I finish reading the majority of the posts I come to yours and almost spit my ice tea on my desk. “some” of us finish our work early