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Coal plant bill passes, but veto looms

March 6, 2008


Coal plant bill passes

A bill allowing two coal-fired power plants in southwest Kansas won House approval on Wednesday. Enlarge video

How they voted

Here is how local legislators on Wednesday voted on the bill that would allow two coal-fired power plants in southwest Kansas. The House approved the conference committee report for House Substitute for Senate Bill 327 by a 75-47 vote.

Voting against the conference committee report:

¢ Rep. Barbara Ballard, D-Lawrence

¢ Rep. Paul Davis, D-Lawrence

¢ Rep. Tom Holland, D-Baldwin City

¢ Rep. Ann Mah, D-Topeka

Voting for the conference committee report:

¢ Rep. Anthony Brown, R-Eudora

¢ Rep. Tom Sloan, R-Lawrence

¢ Rep. Lee Tafanelli, R-Ozawkie

— The standoff continues.

For the second time in a little more than two weeks, the House approved a bill allowing construction of two coal-burning power plants in southwest Kansas.

And for the second time, supporters of the plants failed to get enough votes to override a veto from Gov. Kathleen Sebelius.

The 75-47 vote for the bill was nine votes short of the two-thirds majority - 84 in the 125 member House - to override.

Sebelius wasted little time hammering the bill.

Less than an hour after the House action, her office issued a statement that said one of Sebelius' main objections is that the bill would strip the power of the Kansas Department of Health and Environment in the process of deciding whether to permit a plant.

"Due to the Legislature's decision to keep that language in this bill, it's really not a question of if she'll veto, but when," Sebelius' spokeswoman Nicole Corcoran said.

But House Speaker Melvin Neufeld, who supports construction of the two 700-megawatt plants, said he would start working with House members to get enough votes for an override.

"We'll kind of look at the list and see what people want," Neufeld, R-Ingalls, said.

"There's probably 12 or 13, at least, I know that have things they want. Some are budget, some are other things. Some want bills run, some want bills not run. That's how this place works," Neufeld said.

State Rep. Tom Holland, D-Baldwin City, voted against the bill and said legislators backing the bill need to negotiate with Sebelius "and have a discussion on how to move this forward."

Holland said Neufeld and others should look at a long-term energy policy instead of trying to defeat Sebelius on the issue.

On Feb. 19, the House approved a similar bill, but again fell short of a veto-override majority in a 77-45 vote.

The Senate is expected to easily pass the measure today.

Last year, Kansas Department of Health and Environment Secretary Roderick Bremby refused to issue permits for the $3.6 billion plants, citing the project's annual emission of 11 million tons of carbon dioxide and its effect on climate change.

The bill approved by the House would allow Sunflower Electric Power Corp. and two out-of-state partners to build the plants outside Holcomb.

State Rep. Tom Sloan, R-Lawrence, voted for the measure, even though he voted against the earlier House version. Sloan said he now supported the bill because it included creation of a 15-member commission to study a variety of issues related to electric service, and a number of "green" provisions.

The bill requires utilities to produce 20 percent of their power from renewable resources by 2020, and it would establish a procedure to encourage solar power.

"Our state has a much greener future (with the bill) than without it," Sloan said.


Bill Griffith 6 years, 1 month ago

Thanks, Doug County. That was under the detail called "Rural Utility Service". I probably should have been clearer on that point since it is a little-known funding mechanism.


snowWI 6 years, 1 month ago

DougCounty, Thank you for that information.


Ken Lassman 6 years, 1 month ago

Add this to the list, belexus: Business Week March 5th Tony Brown Feds Suspending Major Loan Program for New Coal Plants

The federal government is suspending a major loan program for coal-fired power plants in rural communities, saying the uncertainties of climate change and rising construction costs make the loans too risky. After issuing $1.3 billion in loans for new plant construction since 2001, none will be issued this year and likely none in 2009, James Newby, assistant administrator for the Rural Utilities Service, a branch of the Department of Agriculture, said Tuesday.The program's suspension marks a dramatic reversal of a once-reliable source of new coal plant financing. It follows the announcement last month that several major banks will require plant developers to factor in climate change when seeking private funding. 'This is a big decision. It says new coal plants can't go to the federal government for money at least for the next couple years, and these are critical times for companies to get these plants built,' said Abigail Dillen with the environmental law group Earthjustice. The group filed a federal lawsuit last year seeking to block the loan program. At the time of the suspension, at least four utilities had been lined up for loans totaling $1.3 billion -- for projects in Kentucky, Illinois, Arkansas and Missouri. A project in Montana was denied funding last month. Two more were recently withdrawn: last October in Wyoming and earlier this week in Missouri....


Bill Griffith 6 years, 1 month ago

In the last month the following events have transpired: Wall Street has given notice that climate change legislation will need to be figured in the bottom lines of any coal projects that the big banks will underwrite. A 1500 MW plant in Ely, Nevada has had its permit application withdrawn by the applicant, the Rural Utility Service has announced that they will not loan anymore money to cooperatives to constsruct coal plants due to litigation from environmental groups. AES cancelled its plants to build a 650 MW power plant in Missouri due to uncertainty concerning climate change legislation in Congress. I don't see this trend dissipating but only growing stronger as Congress takes up climate legislation either this summer (longshot on passage in an election year) or in 2009.


dogbait 6 years, 1 month ago

How do "we" get off on blaming China for being the biggest polluters and depending on Coal plants when "we" refused to participate in the "KYOTO TREATY". Those Bush fans out there in Kansas need to take a look at their selves and clean up there own act. It always amazes me how it is ok to pollute as long as it doesn't affect "my pocket book". Well, take at look at your kids, their kids and their grandkids and then say, OOPS,,,,sorry for the mess I left you kids! But, I enjoyed myself. Coal plants are obsolete as with the gasoline engine. Time for wind, solar, and totally electric (not gas dependant hybrids) automobiles, let's get with the program people! Protect the planet don't pollute it for your kids~


gr 6 years, 1 month ago


Could you use some paragraphs, capitalization, spacing after commas and periods, take some breaths, and not switch multiple topics within the same sentence so you don't look so STUPID?


northtown 6 years, 1 month ago

Someone in here also mentioned the etohonal plants.We as farmers fights these aslo,they deplete the water table,use more natural gas to produce the stuff than they get for it,the one outside of Garnett Ks. has NO water supply,niether would the one north of Topeka except from ground water right from the kaw valley,your drinking water.Yes gasoline is no good either,we need new sources,time for this world to make a stand,make your voice heard!!!Vote and not for that woman the next time around!!!!Get Kansas on the right track!!!Come Lawrence,this ,i was always told was a city for this kind of thing,i am just a dumb rancher,made my money with land and cattle,and investments also and have to say rotten oil found years ago on the land.Inherited that from the family,i have shut down the lease,bought it out,noe it just sets what is left.We do Doug Compton does and you would hate us also ,we go from one border of Kansas to the othere and buy bankrupt farms,try to hire the people that have lived all thier lives to keep on working them,some do,some don't ? We try to be fair,my problem with with your so caled manmade wetland is i own a couple of natural ones here in Kansas,and i keep people out of them,they are the destruction of everything,from hunters to just folks just looking,to much trash left behind !!! I write this not to brag but to spread the word,take care of the earth and what you have!!!Like the Kansas River,we kayak it as often as we can every year,tarsh every place!!Who puts it there not us,what we bring we take home!You please do the same,stop these coal burners now!!!Wind and sun is one way,but theyare expensive!!!! They are going to use the no service lines,they already have them in place for the coal burner that is there!!!!!And that coal is cheap,yes it is,but that train is no good either,think about that also!!!!!Come on Lawrence step up do your part,Vote,call them write them and tell them how you think!!!But in the end if they do stop using these plants it will cost us more so be ready and the power will not be so plenetful. If i misspelled something please forgive i am a dumb farmer from Kansas,just telling my part!!!!!! But so far you folks show no effort of stepping up and doing a thing. From a badger with a keyboard waiting a naw off your leg!!!!! Thanks for that one whoever!!!!!Jerk!!I am one too!!!!I promise you that,you would not want to meet me, 6'9' at 299 just waiting for that cow to push back!!!!


wstrnksgirl 6 years, 1 month ago

If you've ever lived in southwest Kansas you'll know there are lots of sunny days, even more windy days and the aquifer has already dropped to a much lower level....there ARE alternatives to the Sunflower plants.


Richard Heckler 6 years, 1 month ago

It is odd when ratepayers complain about the cost of energy yet allow corporate america and Kansas legislators( of all people) to convince them that the most toxic and expensive choices is somehow in their best interest.

Isn't there something wrong with this picture?


northtown 6 years, 1 month ago

And here i set a cannibaliistic republican that wasted alsmost $80,000 dolars just to fight these.Can you or any of you in Lawrence Kansas match this,if so step up with some cash,we need your help,yet you make fun of me and pick on just because i mispell a word or two.And you should not have done it,i would have shown you the antelope,also i have Elk on the ranch,i own land from Augusta KS. to just South of Richmond Ks.,wonderful grasslands,and we try to protect it,agasint people like you!!!!!!!!!!That throw your trash along the road and drive so fast it is just insane,yes i do not live here all of the time,but come to visit and enjoy the Kansas river valley,that you people are also destroying!!!! Stop these coal burners now,we are going to throw more cash away to try stop them.I could make Doug Compton look bad and just buy this whole town and should and just level it and show you all and show you what you are,Nothing to me.Now i am saying goodbye to folks that are just all mouth and do nothing to even try to stop these!!!!!! Your little town has went down the sewer sad to say,take a long look at your self Before you condemn me!!!!!!!You all mouth no action Freak!!!!!!


gr 6 years, 1 month ago

"KANSAS needs #1, net metering to begin our own power generation industries,"

Ok, let's explore that. Suppose it was possible that everyone could generate their own power - net that is. Cloudy and windless days, they use the power plant, but sunny or windy days they generate execess. Say it comes out exactly break even for all customers.

Do you see a problem here?


autie 6 years, 1 month ago

Bremby and Sebelius both have the guts to stand up for what's right. She will veto the bill and the legislators will wrangle up the boys and override. And within 5 to 10 years, the EPA standards will be as such the new plants will have to do the big dance to get in compliance with emissions....It is all painfully clear. If our girl runs for the Senate, more power to her. She would be a refreshing change from Mr. holier than thou brokeback Brownback. She could help remove some of the temporal backwardness that outsiders tend to veiw us with....and return to the halcion days of when science was taught in school, bible stories at church and no one cared about gays getting married.


ralphralph 6 years, 1 month ago

It's nice to see Chatty Cathy take time off from the photo shoots and Kansas-bashing to throw us some negativity.

btw ... here lies the future (let's make it the present) ... Clean. Safe. Nuclear.


BABBOY 6 years, 1 month ago

Time for the Republicans to push back hard? Well they try on every issue, but note that they are the one losing ground. They were 7 votes short of override and now they are 9.

Given that the majority party refused to negotiate in good faith on emmissions, I support the veto. It is time for politicians to work for the common good and not wrap themselves up in party labels (I know a pipe dream).

Values, I think your statistics are off, but I do not have time to do internet research to prove you wrong. Also, given that Sebulus has won about everything she has attempted, I am not sure your tampon reference pursuades me that she can not run and win for senate. In other words, the "Mr. Values" says so does not convince me.

I think it was more local issue with the Ethonal plant in Topeka and she had nothing to with the Boeing contract (seems like Roberts is the one pushing for that and failing) and speculation about the lab in Mahattan is just speculation. I agree with her on the coal plants.

Maybe you can blame the cold weather on her as well.....

Of course, the likelyhood of me agree with someone calling himself Mr. Values is next to zero. If you have to tell me you have values, then someting is wrong...


cool 6 years, 1 month ago

the dying of trees:

by Charles Little:

read the last two chapters first !


cool 6 years, 1 month ago

don't deplete the Ogallala Aquifer :

we need it for the future of all of kansas !


cool 6 years, 1 month ago

we all know that the future is NOT coal.

KANSAS needs #1, net metering to begin our own power generation industries, #2 subsidies like New Jersey & California for PV photovoltaics, #3 digital control & grid efficiency improvements coupled with energy conservation and new switchgear to improve the grid.

we do not need to have COAL to support Denver sprawl.

YES, IGW we do need to clean up our existing dirty coal plants...but that is not the same thing as putting new plants where they rapidly deplete the much needed Ogallah aquifer.


its_getting_warmer 6 years, 1 month ago

frankwiles, Don't forget Blu-ray. We can buy everybody out now. And Betamax. Heck, lets go out to ebay and monopolize 8-track and vinyl while we are at it.


its_getting_warmer 6 years, 1 month ago

Dirk, that would be a pretty stupid contract now, wouldn't it. Do you really think people in Western Kansas are that stupid?


dirkleisure 6 years, 1 month ago

"The tax will affect all those who purchase the energy:the Coloradoans, would pay the tax on the energy which they purchase."

Is that in the agreement with Tri-State?

The tax will be borne by the owner of the plant. The owner of the plant will pass the tax onto its ratepayers. If the rates Sunflower is charging Tri-State for power are written into the agreement, any additional costs will be solely borne by Sunflower ratepayers.


logicsound04 6 years, 1 month ago

"She wouldn't win in a senate race"

Sounds like wishful thinking to me. She has won at governor easily as a blue politician in a red state. I think she'd have an easier time getting elected to the Senate than you think.


Mr_Values 6 years, 1 month ago

Sebelius is guilty of using Kansas like a tampon. Thank goodness the constitution is such that she can only serve for two terms. She wouldn't win in a senate race so she is kissing butt for a cabinet position or even VP for Barry. We have the Holcombe fiasco, the loss of the ethonol plant north of Topeka, we'll probably lose the bio-lab in manhattan because she runs her mouth too much and we lost the boeing contract. We are 49th in the nation on private sector job growth but in the top 5 for government job growth.



frankwiles 6 years, 1 month ago

I swear it gets harder and harder each year to be proud of being from Kansas.

It's just like our backwards state to fight tooth and nail to invest in and use old antiquated technology, even when new alternatives exist. Next year the legislature will probably propose bills to bring back VHS, dial-up Internet, and to ban the use of GPS devices due to some ridiculous religious argument.

Especially when you consider that many communities have passed anti-smoking legislation and if I remember correctly, wasn't the state house even kicking around a bill to ban smoking across the entire state?

Why is it ok in our law maker's eyes to have 11 million tons of smoke come out of two big pipes, but it's not ok to have 11 million little smoke stacks?

Thank you Gov. Sebelius and Secretary Bremby for helping to make Kansas just a little less backwards.


bobberboy 6 years, 1 month ago

Put up more wind generators and Nuclear power plants - unless a way to burn coal without the emission of CO2 is developed.


its_getting_warmer 6 years, 1 month ago

mooner: "Do we want to pay carbon tax for plants that supply electricity to Colorado?"

The tax will affect all those who purchase the energy...the Coloradoans, would pay the tax on the energy which they purchase.


Jerry Stubbs 6 years, 1 month ago

I saw that Missouri has dropped plans for a coal powered plant because of concerns about future laws regulating carbon dioxide. They believe the regulations will make the costs rise, making coal too expensive.

We are already stuck with some of the worst polluting coal plants in the country. Do we want to pay carbon tax for plants that supply electricity to Colorado? I don't think so.


highendgranola 6 years, 1 month ago

Hey Bremby - You ROCK!!! Thanks for all you do to protect our health and the health of mother earth.


toefungus 6 years, 1 month ago

Time for the Republicans to push back hard.


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