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Global warming skeptics gather in NYC

March 5, 2008

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When Christopher Monckton, who served as a special adviser to former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, ponders the current political push to curb greenhouse gases linked to climate change, he thinks of King Canute.

According to Monckton, Canute - the Viking who ruled England along with much of Scandinavia nearly a thousand years ago - took his courtiers to the ocean's edge one day, set down his throne and ordered the tide not to come in. The tide, of course, came in, and the king got his feet wet.

The lesson? The king taught his advisers "humility," Monckton said, by showing them that even he, a king, could not control nature. In the same way, he argued, modern-day politicians should not fool themselves into thinking that humanity is having a big impact on climate.

Monckton, along with other high-profile global warming skeptics such as University of Virginia professor emeritus S. Fred Singer and Virginia state climatologist Patrick J. Michaels, are gathered in New York this week for a conference aimed at challenging the idea that a scientific consensus exists on climate change.

Sponsored by the Heartland Institute, a free-market think tank funded by energy and health-care corporations as well as conservative foundations and individuals, the 2 1/2-day session poses a stark contrast to the near-unanimous chorus of concern expressed by top U.S. politicians and most of the scientific mainstream.

While the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change shared a Nobel Peace Prize with former Vice President Al Gore last year, this cadre of critics has formed a counter-group called the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC), which issued a report this week arguing that recent climate change stems from natural causes.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

I see that this thread has been dominated by folks who prefer spending their time and limited intellect on the Banks of Denial.

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BigPrune 6 years, 1 month ago

During the 1970's all we ever heard was that a new Ice Age was coming. Ten years of listening to that bullsh*t made some of us skeptics, when it turned out that the earth was supposedly warming.

The Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years. It is brighter than it was a few hundred years ago and this brightening started relatively recently - in the last 100 to 150 years.

Using ice core samples from Greenland, scientists can currently trace beryllium 10 levels back 1,150 years. The most recent samples contained the lowest recorded levels of beryllium 10 for more than 1,000 years. Beryllium 10 is a particle created by cosmic rays that decreases in the Earth's atmosphere as the magnetic energy from the Sun increases.

Global warming - at least the modern nightmare version - is a myth.

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Mkh 6 years, 1 month ago

Darn, even that statement needs correction, due to the fact we are even emitting Co2 when we breathe. It's getting late, hopefully my point made it through somehow.

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Mkh 6 years, 1 month ago

Well, I should have rather said when mankind didn't exist as a polluting, Co2 emitting species.

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Mkh 6 years, 1 month ago

Logicsound,

You raise a valid question. I would direct you to the U.N's own latest assesment on climate change, in which they in fact state that even if the greenhouse gas issues of Co2 were solved, the earth would continue to warm. So this begs the question, why should I be taxed so a government can try and stop the Earth from warming?

Also the biggest fallacy of Gore's myth is that Co2 causes the earth to heat. When in fact it's heat that causes Co2 naturally.

The oceans have 40 times more Co2 than the air. When the earth naturally heats as it has been, the ocean releases massive amounts of Co2 into the air, thus the reason scientists find high levels of Co2 now. The truth though is that we have had far greater amounts of Co2 on Earth before during these heating cycles when mankind didn't exist, and the planet flourished.

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 1 month ago

These folks are working diligently to stop the destruction of the earth and global warming.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334539,00.html

Why do radical leftist, self-proclaimed peaceniks, opposed to wars and 'crooked' corporations who they claim kill people by the millions with their evil empires, resort to such wholesale violence?

This is not setting a good example, people.

Would not a more centrist, even radical centrist approach be more effective?

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logicsound04 6 years, 1 month ago

I've never understood something about this issue.

Let's say for a second that the skeptics have it right, and that there is no "proof" that man-made global warming is occurring. No amount of skepticism can deny that the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere are at record levels. Now, whether or not you agree that CO2 and global average temperature are as correlated as Gore claims, it is awfully hard for any reasonable person to deny that putting such a surplus of man-generated particulate MAY have an adverse effect on the environment.

That being said, I have a hard time figuring out what the global warming skeptics are combating. Why such a push to dismiss this issue as irrelevant rather than approaching it with the more rational attitude that man-made global warming may still be in doubt, but that we shouldn't ignore the fact that our actions may have an adverse effect down the road.

It's this adamant denial of a problem that makes proponents of global warming wonder if there isn't an alterior motive from the people that stand to lose the most from trying to curb CO2 levels.

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salad 6 years, 1 month ago

"In fact this was one of the coldest winters on record."

Not in Europe. Warmest on record so far. Anyway, I totally accept the whole global warming thing, but also accept that we can't stop burning all the oil, coal, & gas. We'll figure it out when ALL the coal is used up in about 250 years...if we're still a viable species. I just don't think we can change the entire lifestyle of the whole planet fast enough to make a difference.

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Mr_Values 6 years, 1 month ago

Agnostick,

EggNogSchtick,

Conservativeman? LOL

Ag the troll, forever attempting to be the forum cop, you're the Community Centrist Clown. LOL

There is no science behind the "climate change" movement.

I'm surprised Egg is adding up 1 + 1...Clown college has been good to you.

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Mkh 6 years, 1 month ago

Of course the earth has been warming...then it will cool again. In fact this was one of the coldest winters on record. Where is the politician who will save us from global cooling?

Any else hear that the founder of the weather channel wants to sue Al Gore?

www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=5773

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 1 month ago

I thought NYC had already been destroyed by the huge increase in ocean levels..... Or was that a movie with Dennis Quaid?

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Agnostick 6 years, 1 month ago

"Goreman," Mr_Conservativeman???

roflmao!!!!

Maybe that's why Romney didn't get elected? He's a Goreman?

Goreman BabbleNackle Cryer, anyone?

What a joke!

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Mr_Values 6 years, 1 month ago

Goremans don't even use the term "Global Warming" anymore. Recent data has refuted the global warming myth. Now they call it "Climate Change". Change works well into the "Change Campaigns" of Hillary and Barry.

Hillarious stuff this hysteria over nothing.

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sfjayhawk 6 years, 1 month ago

The chairman of the holocausts deniers society is the keynote speaker. One of creationisms leading experts will be giving a presentation titled "why worry about global warming, the second coming will happen long before the icecaps melt."

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georgeofwesternkansas 6 years, 1 month ago

It could be that the flat earth society in this case is also the many that refuse to listen to the few.

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Multidisciplinary 6 years, 1 month ago

I was interested in this right up until here; The lesson? The king taught his advisers "humility," Monckton said, by showing them that even he, a king, could not control nature. In the same way, he argued, modern-day politicians should not fool themselves into thinking that humanity is having a big impact on climate.

My friend does research at both the poles, and elsewhere..scary stuff.

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SettingTheRecordStraight 6 years, 1 month ago

Global warming started as a political issue, not a scientific issue. Sadly, it is still a political issue. Because of that, many reasonable people look at the warming-earth-histeria as part of a political message, not a scientific truth.

Had politicians not drawn political lines in the sand early on in the debate, more people would come to the table to honestly discuss the matter. I feel that chance has been lost.

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Mr_Values 6 years, 1 month ago

Global warming advocates equal Global weather cycle Skeptics

Does the Journalist have an agenda?

Of course, Juliet Eilperin - of the Washington Post is probably a Goreman. Goremanism is the fastest growing religion in the West. The Prophet of the Church of Climatology, the Sultan Al Gore would have you believe that global warming is fact. A recent court case in the United Kingdom revealed that the Prophet had misled his followers on 9 of 11 major points in his religious documentary "An Inconvenient Truth".

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

It's a joint conference with the Flat Earth Society.

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bondmen 6 years, 1 month ago

Even if you've got cold feet and a hot temper do give a look to the graph of Global Temperatures Over the Last 2,000 Years at:

http://www.weatherquestions.com/Roy-Spencer-on-global-warming.htm#2000

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