Archive for Saturday, March 1, 2008

Best served cold: KU exacts revenge on KSU in 88-74 Fieldhouse thumping

March 1, 2008, 5:42 p.m. Updated March 1, 2008, 10:13 p.m.


Final, KU wins 88-74

Revenge came quick and hard in Allen Fieldhouse, as Kansas University may have officially busted out of its February mini-slump with an 88-74 thumping of Kansas State Saturday night.

KU withstood a 39-point, 11-rebound barrage from K-State standout freshman Michael Beasley with a deep, balanced effort, points coming from several reliable sources.

Brandon Rush led the Jayhawks with 21points, including a 5-of-9 showing from long-range. As a team, the Jayhawks hit 11 of their 23 three-point attempts.

Sherron Collins scored 18 off the bench, while Russell Robinson snapped a recent offensive slump with a 14-point outburst, including two late trifectas. Darrell Arthur and Darnell Jackson each scored 10.

Outside of Bealsey's showing, KU stymied almost every other effort K-State made at a comeback. Bill Walker, who scored 22 points in the Jan. 30 meeting in Manhattan, scored nine points, with most of them coming late with the game out of reach. Jacob Pullen, who scored 20 in the 'Cats win earlier this season, had just three. Kansas State was plagued by 20 turnovers.

The Jayhawks, 26-3 overall and 11-3 in Big 12 play, are now tied atop the league standings thanks to Texas Tech's win at home over Texas earlier in the afternoon. Coincidentally, KU now faces Tech Monday night at 8 p.m. in the final home game for six Jayhawk seniors.

Kansas State, 18-10 overall and 8-6 in the Big 12, faces Colorado at home and Iowa State on the road in its final week of regular season play.

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3:09, second half, KU leads 82-65

A Michael Beasley dunk helped the stud freshman continue to pad his stats, but KU then went on another one of its wild mini-runs. First, Brandon Rush canned a corner three-pointer, giving him 21 points on the night. Then Sherron Collins went to work twice in transition wrapped around a Frank Martin timeout. First he took it himself coast-to-coast, but his second score was a follow-up to a Darrell Arthur miss in transition, putting KU firmly ahead 71-49 with 7:58 to play.

Sherron Collins kept the run going for KU after two Beasley free throws, hitting his second trifecta of the game. Beasley added in five straight points for KSU, giving him a game-high 30, but the Jayhawks kept the home momentum going with a two-handed flush slashing down the baseline. Beasley hit another three-pointer, but it was again moot as Sherron Collins and Russell Robinson hit treys of their own around it, putting KU ahead again by 21 points at 82-61.

A pair of Bill Walker buckets - his second and third of the game - brought the game to its final full break at the 3:09 mark.

10:45, second half, KU leads 63-47

Jacob Pullen cashed a three for K-State right out of the full timeout, but KU went back to what was working so far in the second half, and that led to Darnell Jackson's third dunk since the break. Then, after a Beasley two - his first of the half - Darrell Arthur hit a fading two off the glass against Darren Kent.

K-State then began to make its push. Surrounding a Brandon Rush bucket, which gave him 18 points on the night, Blake Young tipped in a Beasley miss, and Young then scored an and-one two down the baseline. Young hit the free throw, and Beasley got himself to the line on the other end, drawing the third foul of the game on Arthur. Beasley swished both, giving him 21 points on the night and pulling K-State to within 14 points at 58-44.

Sherron Collins scored his first points of the second half, but K-State again slugged back, this time with Darren Kent hitting a three. Mario Chalmers cancelled it out seconds later with his first three-pointer of the game.

15:42, second half, KU leads 52-32

Darnell Jackson started the second half for KU with a huge throwdown off a miss, and after an empty possession from K-State, Brandon Rush hit his fourth three-pointer of the game - from the corner - off KU's 14th offensive board of the game.

Jackson then tipped in a two out of a Frank Martin timeout off of a Mario Chalmers miss. That sequence came on the heels of Michael Beasley missing a long two-point jumper.

Darrell Arthur made it a 9-0 run for KU out of the half, slipping in two after another KU offensive board.

Russell Robinson threw a lob for Darnell Jackson, who scored for the third time in the second half after a pair of K-State misses. A Beasley three was the final score before the first full timeout of the second half, with KU leading by 20 and again securely in command.

Halftime, KU leads 41-29

Beasley hit the free throw out of the timeout, and after each team swapped empty possessions, Beasley earned his way to the line again after snatching a high rebound off a Sasha Kaun miss. He canned both of those, pulling the Wildcats to within 10 points with just under two minutes to play in the half.

KU's offensive drought continued as both Sherron Collins and Mario Chalmers missed three-pointers, giving the ball back to the 'Cats again, but this time KSU couldn't capitalize, with Mario Chalmers getting fouled and sent to the line off a Beasley three miss.

Chalmers made one of two, but grabbed the offensive board off the miss. KU couldn't extend the lead any more, and after Beasley free throw before the half, Collins hit a short two heading into the half, as holds a 12-point lead.

Brandon Rush led the Jayhawks with 13 points, including a trio of three-pointers. Sasha Kaun scored seven off the bench, while Darrell Arthur had six.

Michael Beasley, who left early in foul trouble, led all scorers in the first half with 14 points. He also had a team-high seven rebounds. The scoring was a boost for KSU, who got a combined two points from Bill Walker and Jacob Pullen. Those two combined for 42 in the first meeting between the two teams.

3:12, first half, KU leads 38-25

Darren Kent ended a mini scoring drought for both teams out of the timeout, rolling in two from short range off the glass, then, after a Darrell Arthur miss, Michael Beasley got himself to the free throw line for the second time on the night, drawing Arthur's second foul of the game at the 6:28 mark.

Beasley missed the first and swished the second, giving him eight points on the night before taking a seat on the bench in place of Dominique Sutton.

Brandon Rush hit a pair of free throws in the double bonus off a reach-in foul on Sutton, and Sasha Kaun spun in two more off the glass to give KU back a somewhat-commanding 17-point lead with just over five minutes to play in the half. Clent Stewart then got to the line in a double bonus situation of his own for KSU, hitting two free throws to give him four points on the night.

Stewart scored yet again after an offensive goaltending call against Rodrick Stewart, but Sasha Kaun's consistent night continued as he muscled in two more points - giving him seven - off a feed in between a pair of KSU defenders.

Beasley scored at the 3:12 mark while being fouled by Russell Robinson to make it a 13-point game heading into the half's final full break at 3:12.

7:54, first half, KU leads 32-18

Mario Chalmers and Darrell Arthur each missed close looks out of the timeout, but Jacob Pullen missed a three from straight-on for K-State, keeping the 'Cats punchless from long range on the night. Blake Young wound up with the ball after an Andre Gilbert offensive board, though, and he got to the line after drawing contact underneath. He hit both tosses, making it 23-11 with KU out in front.

Cole Aldrich had a short look of his own on the other end, but the Jayhawks kept the ball alive off the miss and Sherron Collins splashed a deep three from the left wing. Then the inbounds pass was stolen and Brandon Rush dumped in two off the glass, putting KU ahead by 17 points and again forcing the Fieldhouse crowd to explode.

KU called a 30-second timeout after forcing another K-State turnover, and on the other end, Russell Robinson slashed hard to the rack and drew contact. He hit one of two free throws, continuing to push KU's lead, now at 18 points.

Beasley missed a three on the other and in transition, Brandon Rush continued to swell, hitting a three off a kickout from Sherron Collins. As the shot dropped, Bill Walker was called for his third foul of the game under the basket while trying to box out, sending him to the bench with just two points to his credit.

Beasley finally scored his second bucket of the game while being guarded closely by Sasha Kaun. Then, after a Darrell Arthur miss and Beasley board, the 6-foot-11 freshman cashed K-State's first three of the game, forcing Bill Self into a 30-second timeout of his own.

Rush was short on a three try from the corner out of the timeout, but Darrell Arthur chased down the offensive rebound. Moments later, however, Mario Chalmers was called for a travel, sending the game to a full break with KU ahead still 32-16.

11:47, first half, KU leads 23-9

Bill Walker was called for his second foul out of the timeout after an Andre Gilbert shot missed for KSU, but he was left in the ball game. Sasha Kaun went on to hit one of two free throws, but Clent Stewart followed it with a running two off the glass for K-State.

KU's offense continued to click against the 'Cats, with Rodrick Stewart - in his first game back since attending hi sbrother's funeral in Seattle - flipped a pass from the post out to Brandon Rush, who canned his first three of the game.

Dominique Sutton got to the line then for the 'Cats, playing without Walker or Beasley in the game, and hit one of two, but Russell Robinson got himself to the stripe and swished a pair, putting KU ahead 21-9 just outside of the 13-minute mark. After Sasha Kaun got fouled and sent to the line for a bonus trip, Michael Beasley checked in with 13:05 showing on the clock.

Kaun hit both to put KU ahead 23-9.

Kaun fouled Beasley on K-State's next possession, sending the star freshman to the line for the first time on the night. He missed the front end of a bonus trip, but the ball went out of bounds and stayed with the Wildcats.

Bill Walker then missed a three for KSU, and a tie-up on the other end for a loose ball between Beasley and Cole Aldrich sent the game to a full break with the Jayhawks still ahead by 14.

15:28, first half, KU leads 15-6

K-State controlled the game's opening tip, and after slashing to the bucket, Darnell Jackson hacked Blake Young on his way up for two inside, getting the 'Cats to the free throw line just 19 seconds in. Young cashed both.

Darrell Arthur missed an inside try over Michael Beasley on KU's first possession, but off the offensive board, Arthur swished a six-foot jumper. The Jayhawks then got the ball back when the Wildcats went out of bounds on the opposite baseline.

Russell Robinson put the Jayhawks ahead 4-2 with a quick slashing layup, but Michael Beasley quickly dropped in two of his own off the glass, again seating several fans. Though Beasley was called for his first foul of the game moments later at the 18:26 mark.

Brandon Rush swished a three from the right wing off the inbounds pass, giving KU a 7-4 edge. Beasley was called for a charge at the 17:55 mark and headed for the bench with two fouls, putting a huge chip in KU's corner. Bill Walker was then whistled for an infraction against Jackson 14 seconds later, giving KSU three quick team fouls.

The 'Cats stole the inbounds pass, but Clent Stewart's layup in transition was swatted away. Darrell Arthur used the opportunity to put in two off the glass on a turnaround move, putting KU ahead 9-4.

Bill Walker's first shot of the game was a three on the left wing which missed short, and Arthur again went to work on Walker with two more off the glass, putting KU up 11-4 less than four minutes in and forcing Frank Martin to call a 30-second timeout.

Walker scored two quickly out of the timeout, but that didn't slow KU at all. Mario Chalmers flew coast-to-coast in response to slip two more off the glass, and after another failed KSU possession, Darnell Jackson dropped in a bucket and was fouled in the process. The free throw missed, but KU took a 15-6 lead with the score.

Jackson's second foul was whistled at the 16:02 mark as he was called for a charge, giving the ball back to K-State.

Bill Walker was stripped loose going up for a shot, though KU couldn't capitalize. A loose ball scrum sent the game into its first full break at 15:28.


Thanks to a little bit of help from Texas Tech this afternoon in Lubbock, the Kansas University men's basketball team has another opportunity in front of it.

Aside from being able to tie Texas, now 11-3 in league play, atop the Big 12 standings, KU has an opportunity to settle the regular season score with Kansas State, who enters Allen Fieldhouse for tonight's 8 p.m. tip, which can be seen on ESPN (Sunflower channel 33, 233 HD).

On Jan. 30, as you probably know by now, K-State ended a 24-year homecourt drought against Kansas with an 84-75 victory. Dominating the game for the Wildcats was a trio of freshmen - Michael Beasely, Bill Walker and Jacob Pullen.

The trio combined for 67 points in the first meeting, with Pullen's 20 coming as the biggest surprised (averaging 10.3 ppg on the season). Beasley's numbers at this point in his record-setting freshman season are almost a given each game (26.2 ppg, 12.6 rpg). The wild card tonight could be Walker, who comes in averaging 16.2 points per game. He's been as up-and-down as anyone in the league of late, first scoring 31 points last Saturday in a loss at Baylor, then two nights later scoring one point on 0-for-14 shooting in a home loss to Texas.

Two names to keep an eye on for KU tonight are Darrell Arthur and Mario Chalmers.

Chalmers scored a team-high 19 points in the first meeting with K-State, and most of the second half was the glue that kept Kansas from completely crumbling. Arthur, on the other hand, proved again in Wednesday's win at Iowa State that when he stays out of foul trouble, he's as dangerous an offensive threat as KU has. The Jayhawks' leading scorer on the year tallied 18 points in Ames, and with the offense working through him early and often, everything else simply fell into place.

KU enters tonight's game at 25-3 overall and 10-3 in Big 12 play. K-State, on the other hand, is 18-9 overall after losing its last four games. The Wildcats are 8-5 in league play, and just 2-4 away from Bramlage Coliseum.


jonas 10 years ago

You beat us in your house. We crushed you in our house. Africa has yet to be decided, I guess.

Confrontation 10 years ago

Great game, Jayhawks! Hmmm, I wonder what KStater and the other K-Suck fans will say about this? "Beasley had an 'off' game." "Walker didn't get his usual technical fouls, so the team just didn't get motivated." "The refs hate Beasley." "George Bush hates Beasley." The options are endless ;)

cms 10 years ago

Go ahead KU, show them who is the better team. Rock Chalk my Jayhawks!

notajayhawk 10 years ago

Okay, I know it's a big rivalry and all, and it carries all the intra-state bragging rights, and so forth.

But putting things in perspective:

KU beat an unranked team who was 43rd in the RPI. A team who already had 9 losses, had lost their previous 3 in a row, 4 of their last 5, 5 of their last 8; Missouri beat them just 4 weeks ago. As a matter of fact, it doesn't speak highly for the Big-12 that a team with those qualifications was still in 3rd place in the conference, and before this game wasn't even out of contention for 1st (KU's SoS is a paltry 70th).

It's a good thing they won, they were pretty much expected to and it would have been very bad if they hadn't. But it would have been nice to see a game where K-State didn't end up playing the whole game trying to dig themselves out of the hole they went into after Beasley had to sit down with the second foul, which I replayed about 150 times from every angle they showed and still can't understand how it was a player-control foul. And Beasley still lit it up for 39.

Moonbat 10 years ago

ahhhh...order in the Universe has been restored

Moonbat 10 years ago

Nice preemptive post there "notajayhawk." You could've at least waited until we had some posts boasting about the big "W" against the putty tats.

yankeelady 10 years ago

I'm with Moonbat, it just seems right now. Things are back as they should be. Order is important.

AlligatorMama 10 years ago

notajayhawk is a sore loser, and I'm a very happy Jayhawk fan right now! They did exactly what they should have done and made Beasley eat his words. So what's next..Africa? No KState person should EVER think they can come into Allen fieldhouse and win...I mean it took them 24 years to win in Manhatten on their home floor! GO KU!

Steve Jacob 10 years ago

Nobody can win on the road in the BIG 12 :)

jayhawkframer 10 years ago

It's nice to see the real Kansas team show up. It's also nice to see that K-States whole season was just about beat KU in Manhattan this year. Great job KSU, have fun playing in the NIT.

63BC 10 years ago

Take away Beasley and Walker [and you better believe they're leaving] and K-state scored twenty-six points tonight.

Granted, those shots will go to someone else, but surely someone less productive with them than those guys.

Looks like their one and done coach got them two one and done players who got them a one and done win in their own building, then it's right back to basketball Siberia, whether or not they break their twelve year tourney drought this time.

Your '08-'09 Cats: players who can't play and a coach who can't coach...

AlligatorMama 10 years ago

Why did Beasley go to KSU? Does anyone know?? With so much talent why go to a school not exactly known for it's basketball program?

blahblahblah 10 years ago

Beasley was recruited by Huggie bear, and when he went one and done (to his alma mater WV) Beasley stayed at KSU

jayhawkframer 10 years ago

Does anybody know the answer to my question? What is KU all time record at Iowa St. they said it the other night when we play Iowa St, but I missed it. I know we are the only team with a winning record against them in Big 12 play.

notajayhawk 10 years ago

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says:

"what notajayhawk, were you just sitting at your computer, waiting for the final horn so you could post that garbage?"

"Get a life."

So, I should have been sitting there glued to the screen to watch the final seconds of a 15 point game between two teams I couldn't care less about?

You're right about one of us needing a life, if that's what "life" is to 'logic'sound.

AlligatorMama (Anonymous) says:

"notajayhawk is a sore loser"

Hardly. I couldn't care less, as I said, about KU or K-State, or any other Big 12 team, for that matter. I merely pointed out that all KU did was beat a weaker cross-state rival, not too much to get excited about. Even with the time Beasley spent on the bench he still got you for almost 40. If they can't play better defense come tournament time, they'll be looking at their usual early exit.

notajayhawk 10 years ago


"The key difference is that I went on to qualify in that exact same post that I didn't think that the refs cost KU the game. It was in the paragraph directly after my mention of the poor officiating."

Which is why I linked to the entire thread, so people could see it in context. Of course we know you weren't implying anything, 'logic'sound. Of course you weren't. You just coincidentally think the officiating was bad when KU loses and don't see anything wrong with it when KU wins. It's just a coincidence, of course it is.

"You, on the other hand, included nothing conciliatory about the victory-your post consisted of (paraphrasing here) [this win wasn't very good and KSU's best player was in foul trouble]. The implication is clear."

And once again, you pompous @ss, when someone "reads too much into" the words of 'logic'sound, the whining can be heard in Denver. But he knows what everyone else is "implying." Um - I know you were "paraphrasing," but when did I use the term "foul trouble?" I said I would have liked to see the game without Beasley going to the bench right off the bat. As someone with just a tad less of an emotional dependency on KU basketball, it would have made it a better game to watch, an opinion likely shared by the 99.9997% of the population outside Lawrence.

But to 'logic'sound it's so clear what other people are "implying." Just as clear as when I said "I seriously doubt K-State could have won that game if Beasley didn't have to go to the bench with less than 3 minutes gone," and he's still arguing that I'm saying it cost them the game. The great and important 'logic'sound, a legend in his own mind.

And by the way, 'logic'sound, even in "common English usage," where did I say this was a "bad" win? I said that "in perspective" they beat a weaker team at home. I said it was a game they should have won. Now, since poor little 'logic'sound felt robbed of a chance to strut and crow after learning that this game wasn't exactly what's going to be the headline banner of the Jayhawks' tournament resume, which for some reason 'logic'sound seems to think it should be, I'm being negative and antagonistic.

Get a life, 'logic'sound.

notajayhawk 10 years ago

One more thought, and then 'logic'sound can go back to explaining to all of us what he really meant to say, or that he really meant to say anything at all but got sidetracked, or whatever his argument is going to be today.

What I was saying about perspective:

When USC and UCLA are both in the top 20 and fighting for the PAC-10 title, everyone in the country might watch, even if the game is on West-Coast late. Last month I bet they had a hard time selling commercial time outside the LA market, even though USC had won back in January. For the same reason I wouldn't be surprised if ESPN decided to change their Thursday schedule away from the UConn-Providence game this week. If you're not too clear on geography, Providence is closer to Storrs than Lawrence is to Manhattan, and even though UConn dropped the game to Providence a while back, I don't think college basketball fans outside CT and RI are trembling in anticipation of the rematch.

To the fans in Lawrence (and, I'm sure, Manhattan), this game was a big deal. To the rest of the country, it was a top-ranked team playing someone who's dropped out of the rankings, that's on a losing streak, a team that's destined for maybe a 6 seed in the tournament, a team that showed promise early and faded down the stretch. Were you really expecting, on a national scale, the same kind of excitement over the KU-KSU game as there was for Memphis-Tennessee last week, or there will be for Duke-UNC this week?

Corey Williams 10 years ago

"Why did Beasley go to KSU? Does anyone know?? With so much talent why go to a school not exactly known for it's basketball program?"

I was wondering that myself. Someone pointed out the answer to me tonight. If Beasley had gone to a school with a good program, he wouldn't have stood out so much. The man is a good player. But he is one and done. If he stays at k state, he is a moron. Tonight was just another page in his NBA resume.

Walker, though...I don't really think he has it so easy. He went 0 for 14 the other night? Even the Clippers want more consistancy than that.

notajayhawk 10 years ago

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says:

"You are quickly gaining a rep in my eyes as the densest poster on the LJWorld forum."

Pretty sure 'logic'sound has that tied up for life. Oh, sorry, I forgot that by "in my eyes" you mean "dense" equals "disagrees with the all-knowing pompous @ss 'logic'sound."

You ask "then why are you posting on this thread at all?" And yet I see two posts here from 'logic'sound, without one word pertaining to the game, or basketball, or KU, or anything else related to the topic, only to complaining about my posts. You really do need a life, 'logic'sound.

As far as my interest in this thread since I don't care about either of the two teams, I was interested in the reaction of the fans compared to their reaction to previous games. When the K-State fans rushed the court after their victory in Manhattan, everyone screamed about how they were over-reacting to what was no big deal. It was a big deal for them - they'd just broken a long home losing streak and beat a team that was (back then) #2 in the country. As I stated, the purpose of my original post was to keep this game in perspective. KU won a game at home against a weaker unranked team on a losing streak - it truly was no big deal. I was particularly interested in whether people like 'logic'sound, who cried like little babies about poor officiating in previous losses,

would be equally incensed at the hideously bad call that sent their opponent's star player to the bench with less than three minutes gone.

"...but it would be more clever if you actually found holes in my logic when you did so. When you do it for the sake of doing it, you sound like someone who just needs something to say in the absence of a real argument."

And again:

Number of posts by 'logic'sound to this thread - 2. Number of posts that say anything about the basketball game - 0.

To which 'argument' are you referring? It appears 'logic'sound's complaints are based on the fact that my post got in here so early, as I had the audacity to not be out beating my chest and yelling "Rock Chalk" on Mass. St., and that (since it was the reaction to the game that I was interested in) I came back to see what people were actually posting.

camper 10 years ago

"Then Sherron Collins went to work twice in transition wrapped around a Frank Martin timeout. First he took it himself coast-to-coast,..."

Collins does this a lot. When healthy, he's got an extra gear. Going coast-to-coast like this is demoralizing to the opponent, and it also fatigues them. He could be the spark plug KU needs when in times of doubt.

Great effort!

notajayhawk 10 years ago

Hmmm, a total of 39 posts spread among all three of the articles on last night's game - good to see that most Jayhawks fans were capable of keeping the win in perspective.

riverdrifter 10 years ago

Timing of the game was good. Halftime came at almost straight up 9pm and the galpal decided that my vein-popping Jayhawk fervor "Is not good for you..." So we switched to George Carlin live on HBO. The bad boy's theme: "It's Bad For You". George's rage rages on. He'll never let up on us -willingly.

notajayhawk 10 years ago


Ooh, stay up all night thinking of that one, 'logic'sound? Wow. Great one there. I'm shaken.

"I came here to comment on the game..."

Gee, you're moving up in your level of idiocy. When you get laughed off a thread because you make statements you can't defend, then it wasn't what you meant to say. Now you don't have to even say anything on topic, we're supposed to take your word for it that you had something meaningful in mind. You really are such a pompous @ss.

I see 'logic'sound's expertise in college basketball is on a par with his knowledge of all the other subjects he posts about - which is to say non-existent. To 'logic'sound, when a team comes in on a 3 game losing streak, having lost 4 of their last 5 and 5 of their last 8 (going back to the loss to Missouri), they're "a team that has been good this year." Um, yeah. Wow, they're hot.

"it annoyed me that you had come here early and left a negative post"

Like I said, anyone not running drunk down Mass. St. beating their chests and screaming "Rock Chalk" is being "negative" to 'logic'sound.

"Anyone who watched understands why KU is a title contender"

This is exactly what I meant about perspective. KU may be a title contender, but not because they beat K-State last night. They might run into a couple of teams with fewer than 10 losses before they get there.

"I can't understand your gripe about fouls."

Well, I can believe that, you don't understand too much. As your own bawling in the post I linked to shows, one can comment on bad officiating without implying it cost one team or the other the game. I seriously doubt K-State could have won that game if Beasley didn't have to go to the bench with less than 3 minutes gone. I said "But it would have been nice to see a game" where that foul wasn't called. Now, when 'logic'sound's crocodile tears are flowing about the refs in a KU loss, he wasn't trying to imply it cost KU the game, but if anyone else mentions the officiating when KU wins, they must be implying it was the ref's fault. You really need to get a new screen name, genius-boy. By the way, did you read the other threads?

Seems I wasn't the only one who noticed. And this is precisely what I was talking about in the difference in fan reaction - 'logic'sound whines, whines, whines about the quality of the officiating when they lose (although he's not implying anything) and somehow doesn't notice anything out of the ordinary when they win.

notajayhawk 10 years ago

Das_Ubermime (Anonymous) says:

"So let me get this straight: RPI says that K-State isn't that great and because K-State is currently third in Big 12 standings..."

There is a slight difference between individual and conference RPI's. The conference RPI depends in a large part on a factor that has very little to do with the ability of its teams - the number of teams in its conference.

But that's besides the point. If you want to focus on the RPI statement and defend how good the Big-12 is based on a third-place team that's lost 6 of their last 9 games, great. More power to ya'. Except, if the Big-12's so powerful, how come their top team, a team with 11 conference wins, only has a SoS of 67?

By the way, since you evidently research so much "before opening your mouth," when is the last time a Big-12 team won it all? Should be an easy one to remember, even though it was so long ago.

Kristen Murphy 10 years ago

Well K-Stater is going to say that KU showed up and played awesome. I knew K-State was going to lose. It was obvious with the way they have been playing the past 3 games prior to KU. Clearly KU was out to kill K-State since they didn't show up in Manhattan. And no I'm not a sore loser. KU was obviously the better team last night. Period.

And yes - Walker had an off game - in fact he's played like crap the past 3 games before the KU game - so clearly something is going on behind the scenes at K-State (or the fact that their coach is a rookie), but that doesn't matter. I just hope K-State pulls whatever it is stuck out in time for the Big XII tourney so we don't look that pathetic.

Oh and I don't think Beasley had an off game. I think putting 39 pts on the board is pretty darn good. And the K-Suck is annoying. Grow up. I think it's funny how you're going to put a whole bunch of whiny comments that K-State fans are going to say because let's face it - majority of what you said we're going to say - you guys say it ALL.THE.TIME.

Kristen Murphy 10 years ago

Oh and I'm so glad you were wanting to know what I was going to say! I feel so happy that you wanted to hear from me!

To answer someone else's questions about why Beasley chose K-State - obviously it was Huggins at first - but I think that a good recruiter will feed any player the line that if they come to their school - they are going to do great things. Every recruiter knows how to get a player to come to their school. And Hall worked it over with Beasley saying he will do great things for K-State if he honors his verbal committment and signs on to K-State. Same goes for Walker - he could have walked out of his committment and transferred - but Hall convinced him to stay. Might as well - otherwise he would have had to sit out another year - which would have been stupid since he'll more than likely be gone after this year. :o)

mom_of_three 10 years ago

It looks like all you need to do to beat K-State is play great defense. Beasley will score no matter what (he got away with a few walks), but the rest of the team gets stymied. Beasley (and Walker) can't do it alone.
It did seem a little odd to call two quick fouls on Beasley and then Walker (and they were fouls), and then according to the refs, they played clean the rest of the night. Don't think so. The calls were a little inconsistent, but the Big 12 refs have been that way all year. KU seemed to adjust better.
I thought KU did a great job, lots of energy (no matter what Whitlock thinks), and the steals KU had made a big difference. And it seems if the team has energy, plays great on the defense, that the shots just start falling. I loved the game.

notajayhawk 10 years ago

"If by "laughed off a thread" you mean you and your alter-ego taking turns being broken records clinging to one minute detail of a conversation, then yes, I remember that. You had no argument, so you dissected mine into technicalities instead of looking at my message-even after I clarified, you continued to harp on it."

What 'logic'sound is referring to was his claim that "by definition" anyone that doesn't support same-sex marriage must be a homophobe. When he was called on that, he changed it to the "common English usage" of homophobe. When that also failed, he changed yet again to say he just wanted to "imply pointing out that a particular opinion is intolerant." It was really amusing; a silkworm would have been made proud by 'logic'sound's attempts at spin.

So then 'logic'sound comes to this thread, says nothing at all about the game while asking why I posted if I didn't care about either team, comes back later and does so again, and when I point out that he has said nothing at all about the topic he throws in a few words as an afterthought. He says "you might have noticed that I supported my assertion of having had something to say about the game by including game comments on in my last post." Uh, yeah. After I pointed out that he had said nothing (twice), he adds some comments, and we're all supposed to believe that he really meant to say something about it the first two times he posted. Because of course 'logic'sound isn't full of s**t up to his ears.

"it was a much-hyped game entering, but now that KU dominated, it's no big deal"

Well, maybe to 'logic'sound it was a big deal beforehand. Which I guess, again, shows how much 'logic'sound knows about basketball.

"you were being an antagonist."

'logic'sound's first post to this thread:

"what notajayhawk, were you just sitting at your computer, waiting for the final horn so you could post that garbage? Get a life."

Uh huh. I was being an antagonist.


Haiku_Cuckoo 10 years ago

I merely pointed out that all KU did was beat a weaker cross-state rival, not too much to get excited about.

Exactly. That's why you didn't see Jayhawk fans storming the court after the win. We knew we would win and that's that. No big deal.

Beasley had a great game though. Thirty-nine point is very impressive, even though it still wasn't enough to stop the Jayhawks.

dumas 10 years ago

While I realize a win is a win ... in the game of basketball I don't consider a 14 point win to be a "thumping" (as stated in the headline and the first paragraph of this story) or a "crushing" as stated in some of this well-written and thought out reader posts.

I didn't go to KU or KSU (I went to one of the other Kansas universities). I don't really pick sides in this battle. In other words, I'd say the same damn thing if K-State happened to have won this game.

I guess it's subjective in terms of how one defines "thumping" and "crushing." But I think there's got to be a bigger point spread than 14 points. That's just me.

shockchalk 10 years ago

Notajayhawk should change his/her name to notaclueaboutcollegebasketball. Logicsound04 is exactly right and scenebooster also hit the nail on the head. Just so you know notajayhawk, these are two posters that I occasionally disagree with but you are CLUELESS. As far as not caring about the sure have a lot of bs to post about something you don't care about. And basketball fans accross the country know how good the Big 12 conference is and that is why espn had college game day here. It makes no difference if KU is ranked and KSU is not, the game has a significant impact of the Big 12 conference as well as march madness. How about next time, you post a comment about something you actually have some insight on and spare the rest of us?

notajayhawk 10 years ago

Das_Ubermime (Anonymous) says:

"How can this be that such a "large part" has so little to do with where the teams are placed?"

Well, at least we see how much Das_Ubermine understands about the conference RPI. The number of teams in a conference benefits the smaller conferences, as there's less of a spread. (This would be particularly true if they use a "weighted average" like the Sagarins, where the PAC-10 is rated number one.) Try recomputing the conference RPI using just the top or even the middle 10 teams from each conference and see if the results change. The Big East, only the 4th conference in RPI, by most predictions will send 8 teams to the tournament again this year, more than any of the 3 ahead of them.

And in any event, it's not the only factor. You still have to have a few good teams. But one conference with three strong teams might only have to carry the weight for seven others, in another conference five great teams are being dragged down by eleven others. The supposed validity of this 'penalty' for bigger conferences has been that they have more patsies to beat up on, which might have made some sense, except in many conferences teams don't play an equal schedule (e.g. in the Big East, UConn and Marquette both played Notre Dame home-and-home, but both both Georgetown and Louisville only had to play them once; at the other end, Louisville got to play bottom-dweller Rutgers twice, while UConn, Marquette, ND, and G-town only got to beat them once).

Add to all that, everyone doesn't play the same number of conference games. With only eight teams, they play only 14 conference games, while in the Big East they play 18. That leaves fewer out-of-conference opportunities to build a conference RPI.

"Do I really have to point out that the RPI was your argument? My argument (for those who cannot read) is that if one uses RPI to evaluate a team, one should use it to evaluate a conference. Consistency was my argument."

The RPI was hardly "my argument," it was one of several items I mentioned about K-State. Maybe you didn't see the part about their losing streak or their dropping out of the rankings. And as far as consistency, as I said, there's a difference between individual and conference RPI. But your above statement about the different sizes pretty much demonstrates you don't get that.

"As far as SoS, do you understand what that means? You do realize that it has to do with how good the opposition you have already faced is doing this year, right? Do I need to hold your hand to explain to you why KU's schedule might not have been as tough this year as it was in the past?"

But the Big-12, according to you, is such a strong conference. How could a team with 11 of their wins coming in that conference have such a weak SoS? It's not as if KU loaded up on tough non-conference teams - what have they played, 3 ranked teams all year? And only one of those was from out of the Big-12?

notajayhawk 10 years ago

"doesn't change the fact that you came to a thread about two teams you claim not to care about and made disparaging remarks, then refuse to admit that your behavior is trollistic."

troll (trÅl) - see 'logic'sound. Someone who comes to a thread about two basketball teams he claims he cares about, makes two posts that have nothing to do with those teams or the game, only about another member's posts, then tries to convince everybody that he was going to say something about the game, but forgot. Really.

"All one had to do to understand that this game was hyped quite a bit was turn on a tv or read an article."

In the Lawrence and Manhattan papers? Or on ESPN, who had to find a way to sell airtime?

"All you can definitively say is that I believed the refs played some role in the KU/KSU game in Manhattan and that they didn't in Lawrence. Seeing as how there are many that agree with me:"

As opposed to those who agreed the officiating was poor. Oops, forgot again, according to the pompous @ss 'logicsound, only those who agree with his all-knowing posts have a valid opinion. ("Unless you are a student of my entire body of work regarding KU games:" geez, what a pompous @ss does he even hear himself?)

"If you'd quit trying to strut around like some forum peacock, you might see how hypocritical is sounds for you to call me a "pompous ass"."

And again, for those who missed it: "Unless you are a student of my entire body of work:" Yep, doesn't sound like you're too full of yourself.

"I am done wasting my time"

The best news all day.

notajayhawk 10 years ago

scenebooster (Anonymous) says:

"ESPN College Game Day, at Allen Fieldhouse, broadcasting for twelve hours, and effusive in their praise for KU."

Ooh, an "intelligent" argument. You might be dimly aware that the college game night schedule was set a while back? When ESPN made their schedule, they might not have foreseen K-State coming in on a losing streak.

So you're arguing that this game meant as much or had as much national interest Tennessee-Memphis (a game between the #1 and #2 ranked teams in the country) or Duke-NC (which will decide the ACC season championship)? Sure it did.

(Wasn't there a LTE a while back about Lawrence being the center of the universe? You guys really think that, don't you?)

At least the twins have picked up a third. You don't mind if I just refer to you three as Tweedle-Das, Tweedle-Dumb, and Tweedle-Bee, just to keep you straight?

"why are you spending so much time on a Lawrence newspapers blog, writing about the Jayhawks?"

Oh, uh, right. Only rabid Jayhawks fans are allowed to post to a newspaper message board. Must have missed that little qualification in the use policy.

And I was hardly posting "about the Jayhawks." Amazing how many people in the seventh smartest city apparently can't read. I posted that the game between KU and KSU wasn't exactly the hottest ticket of the year, and even you guys wouldn't have been so excited about it if they hadn't beaten you in Manhattan. Speaking of growing up, when are you going to be old enough to read?

scenebooster, being such a huge fan himself, shows up two days later to make a comment.

notajayhawk 10 years ago

shockchalk (Anonymous) says:

"And basketball fans accross the country know how good the Big 12 conference is and that is why espn had college game day here."

And like I said to Tweedle-Bee, you do understand that the college game night schedule is set before knowing where any of the teams (or conferences) involved might stand when the game airs? And that Maybe why they pick local rivalries (Memphis-Tenn., UNC-Duke, etc.) to make sure there's at least some 'excitement?' You think ESPN scheduled this game at the last minute because of how hot the Big-12 is? You do know that they have a college game night in most if not all of the major conferences?

"It makes no difference if KU is ranked and KSU is not, the game has a significant impact of the Big 12 conference as well as march madness."

Uh, yeah. And I'm the one with no clue about basketball. KU is still looking at a 2-seed; if they move up to a 1 seed, it will be because they beat Texas to win the Big-12 tournament (and that won't guarantee it), not because they beat KSU last Saturday. KSU might drop from a 6 or 7 to a 7 or 8. Gee, that will really shake things up.

As far as the "significant impact" on the Big-12, KSU dropped into a tie for 3rd instead of holding 3rd place outright, and KU's move up to a tie for 1st had more to do with Texas losing than with KU winning. Wow. Huge impact. Excellent example of your basketball expertise there, shock.

mom_of_three 10 years ago

notajayhawk - your name says it all, and we don't care....

notajayhawk 10 years ago

"I know I said I was done,"

It's okay, 'logic'sound, nobody believed that anyway.

"but I have a burning question that you still haven't adequately addressed: if this game was meaningless, then why are you here?"

For the same reason you are, 'logic'sound. As long as you all keep trying to make this game sound like the game of the year, I'll keep pointing out that you're full of yourselves.

"logic in quotations?"

As in the word "logic" is someone else's description, not the one that necessarily applies.

"mention of pompous ass?"

'logic'sound: "Unless you are a student of my entire body of work:" "Body of work." Why, your posts to a newspaper comments section make you a true literary legend.

"I'm getting quite a bit of amusement at watching you juggle trying to maintain an air of superiority over everyone on this thread."

The amusing thing is watching you all praise K-State. You make a great bunch of Wildcat fans. I said that in perspective, this was a game that KU should have won against a weaker team. You're all trying to inflate your self-image (vicariously, at that, as if your being fans affected the outcome of the game) by saying how good K-State is. I'm sure the good folks in Manhattan appreciate your advocacy.

notajayhawk 10 years ago

See, NavyVet understands how inferior K-State was in this game.

Now, I know the crowd who thinks you have to have "Rock Chalk" tattooed on your forehead to live in Lawrence think this game had to mean more so you can feel good about yourselves, but it really didn't. You got your in-state rivalry victory, enjoy it, rub it in their noses if you must, but don't try to make this game sound like a game with national significance. It was far from the most important win of the year for KU, it had very little effect on what's going to happen in the next few weeks, and for people outside the immediate area without the tattoo it wasn't even a great game to watch.

Enjoy it for what it was, don't try to make it into anything more. Like someone said above, "Act like youve been there before." Why are you all arguing so hard to make it look like KU should have had trouble in this game?

shockchalk 10 years ago

notaclue............I've forgotten more about basketball then you will ever know...........but wait, you've already proved that with each pathetic, whiny, ignorant post of yours! Don't forget that Texas, Kansas, and everyone else in the Big 12 still have 2 games to play so I wouldn't be guessing what KU will be ranked in the tourney if I were you. As you said earlier, you could care less about the game and I can tell that you could care less about facts, truths, let alone basketball.

Haiku_Cuckoo 10 years ago

but don't try to make this game sound like a game with national significance.

I think you may be overestimating the feelings of the Jayhawk fans a bit. Yes, we were happy to see KU win (as we expected), but nobody felt that this game had national significance. Nobody stormed the court afterward, none of our players guaranteed a victory, celebrations didn't spill into the streets. We knew we would give them a proper beat-down and that's exactly what happened. I think Kansas State takes the rivalry thing a lot more seriously than we do. For us, a win at Allen Fieldhouse is strictly business-as-usual.

notajayhawk 10 years ago

shockchalk (Anonymous) says:

"I've forgotten more about basketball then you will ever know"

Well, it's apparent you've forgotten quite a bit, at least. Coming from the guy who said the KU-KSU game had such "significant impact" on the Big 12 and March Madness.

Um - the teams currently predicted to hold the number one seeds have more games to play, too. As I said, if a couple of them stumble, KU may move into a one seed. But then you're counting (again) on someone else losing more than KU winning. If all the current top teams win out, then KU will most likely end up a two. Which isn't too shabby.

Incidentally, when I said they were looking at a two-seed, I was basing that on what SI, ESPN, the SportingNews, Rivals, and pretty much everyone else is predicting. Here's what the owner/operator of has to say about Kansas as one of the seven teams who have a chance at a one-seed:

"Kansas. The Jayhawks have the weakest profile of any of the contenders on this list. They do not have any wins over currently ranked opponents and the fewest wins vs. the RPI top 50 in this group. They also suffered their worst loss of the season last week at Oklahoma State. Since the only ranked opponent they could potentially face at this point is Texas, they would do well to dominate the teams they do play."

But hey, shockchalk, solely on your standing as a KU fan, I'm sure you've probably forgotten more about basketball than every sportswriter in the country, too.

One more time for the slower (and/or more rabid fan-type) folks:

In perspective, this was not such a big game for KU (although it would have had a major impact had they lost). A win is a win and it allowed them to catch Texas after Texas stumbled. And I'm sure that coaches around the country kept a copy of the broadcast to show in practice in anticipation of a possible match-up. But do any of you really, really think the players at UNC, Duke, Memphis, Tenn., etc., are quaking in their Nikes just because KU beat K-State? Note (which should be unnecessary except for the rabid ones) I did not say that those teams aren't quaking. I'm sure all those top teams and their coaches have a very healthy respect for KU. But it's not because they beat K-State, and beating K-State did not increase their apprehension at having to play KU. Would KU be more afraid of UNC just because they beat Va. Tech? Have more concerns about playing Wisconsin because they beat Minnesota? UCLA for beating Arizona St.?

Again, enjoy your in-state rivalry win, thump your chests, foam at the mouth, and otherwise make merry. But keep in mind that beating K-State did not really do much to enhance their resume.

notajayhawk 10 years ago

'logic'sound04 (Anonymous) says:

"You don't have as much figured out as you seem to think."

And I see you're still having that reading-comprehension problem. The little "" marks around the passage I cited pretty much should have given you a clue that it was someone else who said those things. The comments on how KU compares to the other contenders for one-seeds come from Jerry Palm, owner/operator of, appearing in an article in the SportingNews last week. That was before they beat K-State, and also before UCLA beat Arizona.

"if RPI top 50 is your bag"

Uh, yeah, that's what I said, alright. If the wins against top 50 teams were everything, than the one-seeds would go to Texas, UConn, UCLA, & Louisville, all of whom have more top 50 wins than KU (along with Tennessee). If you just want to stick with the seven teams mentioned by Mr. Palm, since the story was written KU has climbed into a tie - for fourth - in terms of top 50 wins, with UNC and Duke (behind Texas, UCLA, and Tennessee). If it came down to a choice of those three for the last one-seed, you really think the selection committee is going to pick Kansas? Really? You might also notice that Mr. Palm had other concerns, such as the lack of a win over any currently ranked team. And they also have by far the weakest SoS of the seven contenders. In any event, feel free to complain to

notajayhawk 10 years ago

Das_Ubermime (Anonymous) says:

"Do yourself a favor and take an actual stats class before trying to act like you know what you are talking about."

Hey, good non-response. You must hang out with 'logic'sound, who's posted five times since saying he was done. And I see you share his problem with elementary-level reading, too - nowhere did I say that the conference RPI should be decided from a "sample," dimwit, I was replying to your very sadly mistaken comment about conference size's effect on conference RPI by pointing out that if you took an equal number of members from the conferences, it would change the standings.

Great criticism coming from someone who understands the RPI so well that he thinks the disparity between number of conference members benefits the larger conferences in conference RPI from. Please, feel free to demonstrate how the larger conferences would benefit using statistics.

Maybe we should start slow with Das here: See, there's this round ball, and the object of the game is to get it through that hoop hung up on the "backboard"...

shockchalk 10 years ago

notajayhawk.......not as apparent as it is that you have never known anything about basketball. Logicsound is right again!!! You are a sniveling little brat! By the way, I was at the KU game last night (you know, the team you could care less about) and they looked awesome......regardless of the rpi opinion you pulled out of your ass previously!

Confrontation 10 years ago

Rammy and KStater: If you love K-Suck so much, then why do you have to cruise the KU message boards? Don't you have your own loser purple sites where you can join all 5 other K-Suck fans? I knew you'd be on here making excuses and saying stupid things like, " I knew K-State was going to lose." Yeah, right. By the way, when you can prove that K-Suck doesn't suck, then I'll stop using that term.

notajayhawk 10 years ago

"By the way, the reason I didn't address the "no wins over currently ranked opponents" argument is because it isn't an argument. Paraphrased, "wins over ranked teams" equals "wins over teams that a bunch of voters believe are good right now". It fails to account for what the team was like_at the time of the game_and like I said, it is based on a bunch of opinions. Do you honestly believe that North Carolina is the best team in the country right now? Because they are #1 according to the rankings."

Sniveling, another good word for the troll 'logic'sound.

Maybe you might have heard that the tournament selection committee also votes on where the teams are seeded, "based on a bunch of opinions?" So, you think the rankings mean nothing, but somehow the same system used to decide tournament seeds is going to come out more favorably.

Brilliant 'logic' as always. Chalk up another brilliant piece of commentary to add to your "body of work on college basketball."

As far as Shockchalk's comments, apparently he doesn't even know how to find out what a team's RPI is. Maybe he really did forget more about basketball.

But oh, yeah, you're all back in chest thumping mode, there was a game last night.

They played at home against : wait, it will come to me : oh, yeah, another unranked team, one who's lost half their games going back to early January (all conference games), had a worse record than K-State, was lower in the conference standings than K-State, being tied for 5th (also tied for 9th, which they now have all to themselves), a team with a mid-season replacement 1st-year coach. A team that had lost by 44 to another team just a week before.

Looks like it was a real nail-biter, too.



Whoop, whoop.

Your guys are really tearing it up.

Commence the chest-beating, and what the heck, go out and get that tattoo of Foghorn Leghorn on your face, you've earned it.

Kristen Murphy 10 years ago

"Confrontation (Anonymous) says:

Rammy and KStater: If you love K-Suck so much, then why do you have to cruise the KU message boards? Don't you have your own loser purple sites where you can join all 5 other K-Suck fans? I knew you'd be on here making excuses and saying stupid things like, " I knew K-State was going to lose." Yeah, right. By the way, when you can prove that K-Suck doesn't suck, then I'll stop using that term."

Hmmm...Let's see - I live in Lawrence so this is the paper I read. Idiot. And I don't "cruise" KU Message boards - last time I checked this was the Lawrence Journal World - not the KU Athletic page. Trust me I have better things to do with my time. Don't just assume I live in Manhattan since my name is K-Stater.

Um I don't make excuses I make observations. Get a life. You are the biggest loser on here.

shockchalk 10 years ago

Great post logicsound! The way I see it, the score in this game would be...

Logicsound04--109 notajayhawk--21

By the way, notavalidpoint, the game last night that you are busy downplaying seems to have the interest of every sportswriter in the country. Fox sports thinks last nights game was impressive enough to possibly earn KU a #1 seed in the tourney. Now, I believe we are a long way from that happening but the point is this. The experts you keep talking about and the opinions you keep throwing around are all counter of the crap you keep piling in your post. You know nothing about basketball or RRI's or polls, or ranks. Your ignorant posts are proof of that. My guess is that you don't even know the fundamentals of the sport and I'm sure you never played. So, go out and get a big question mark tattooed on your ass because that's exactly what you are talking out of.

Confrontation 10 years ago

"Trust me I have better things to do with my time."

Oh, really? That's why you obsess over the KU stories? That sure makes sense. You're the typical K-Suck fan. Can't stand criticism, deny that you're criticizing, and obsess over KU because it's better at everything.

BigAl 10 years ago

notajayhawk seems totally obssessed with KU.

He says he doesn't care and then he names himself "notajayhawk" and proceeds to dominate this message board about KU.

Totally obsessed.

JhawkJesse 10 years ago

Wow! Hope i don't say anything controversial. Tough crowd. I'm a KU fan but i don't mind seeing K-State do well so long as it's not against KU. As for Beasley's reason for going to K-State. Frank Martin was an assistant for Huggins and did much of Huggins recruiting. Huggins generally stepped in on recruiting to seal the deal. When Huggins left KSU hired Frank Martin mainly so that they wouldn't lose Beasly's commitment and have Walker transfer. In essence Beasly and Walker really committed to Martin.
i wouldn't classify KU's w over KSU a 'crush'ing or 'thumping' but lets face it, that game was never in doubt. KU did exactly what they were suppose to do. They understood Beasly was going to get his points and they didn't let anyone else beat them. Rock Chalk Jayhawk. Best of luck to the boys in kc and beyond.

notajayhawk 10 years ago

Aw, looks like 'logic'sound was in true form, sorry I had better things to do yesterday.

For all your ranting about the differences between the polls and the selection committee, your contention about the polls being meaningless was based on their being "opinions," and the bottom line is that's what the selection committee's choices are based on as well. They're informed opinions (unlike your own), based on a number of factors, but the sportwriters and coaches use those factors as well.

You are so much fun to watch, 'logic'sound. RPI and SoS have no relevance, the polls are meaningless, etc. etc. etc. (By the way, 'logic'sound, I am aware that the "not currently ranked" doesn't reflect how the teams were performing at the time of the game, and again that was CollegeRPI's concern - KU beat a grand total of ONE team that was ranked at the time of the game - ONE - wow). So on what would the great 'logic'sound base the tournament seeds? Let me guess - proximity to Lawrence KS? (Great news for the Roos, they might have a shot this year).

Anyway, I only stopped by with a piece of news for all the morons who pointed to the game being chosen for college game night as evidence of what a significant game it was. The Tenn/Memphis game drew 5.3 million viewers, making it the 8th-ranked cable show of the week. The KU/KSU game didn't even make the top 15 cable shows of the week (the shows tied for 13-15th included a show that aired during the same timeslot as the game, an episode of NCIS, with just over 3 million viewers - seems during the entire game and pre-game episodes of NCIS out-drew ESPN that night). Beginning to sound just possible that the rest of the nation just didn't understand the 'significance.'

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