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Slattery is pledging to give Roberts a competitive race

June 10, 2008

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— In his bid to upset U.S. Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., Democrat Jim Slattery is promising Kansans the kind of competitive Senate race they haven't seen in more than three decades.

"This is going to be a great year for change," Slattery said last week as he filed to run.

A former six-term congressman from Topeka, who left the state after a failed bid for governor in 1994, Slattery returns to a political scene in Kansas that has improved for Democrats but remains a Republican Party stronghold.

No Democrat has won a U.S. Senate race in Kansas since 1932, and Roberts has spent more than 40 years in Washington, first as a congressional aide, then a U.S. House member from 1980 to 1996, and since then a senator. He has routinely won re-election by wide margins.

But Kansas State University political science professor Joe Aistrup says Slattery may have a chance. Slattery faces a lesser-known candidate, Lee Jones, of Overland Park, in the Democratic Party primary in August.

"He (Slattery) is a quality challenger because of his experience in Congress, and the fact that he's run a statewide campaign," Aistrup said.

Washington lobbyist

Slattery, however, is unknown to many voters, Aistrup said. After losing to Bill Graves in the 1994 race for governor, Slattery went to work for the Washington law and lobbying firm of Wiley Rein.

Roberts and the Kansas Republican Party have focused on Slattery's time outside Kansas. The day Slattery announced for office, Roberts released a radio ad that hammered Slattery for being a lobbyist "Gucci loafers and all" and forgetting about Kansas issues.

Aistrup said that was a sound strategy for Roberts.

"I anticipate that Roberts will pursue that as long as it works. It's up to Slattery to develop an effective response to that and turn the spotlight back on Roberts," he said.

Slattery says he's proud of the work he did for Wiley Rein. He recently released a list of his clients, which included companies and groups involved in trade disputes.

"I'm happy to take responsibility for the work I've done outside of government. It's time Pat Roberts takes responsibility for his votes the last six years that have brought us record gas prices, a slumping economy, and an unnecessary war," he said.

Intelligence Committee

Slattery has blasted Roberts' allegiance with President Bush on the war in Iraq, especially Roberts' tenure as chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee during a period when intelligence that led up to the war was found to be wrong or greatly exaggerated.

"It's just incredible that in 2003 we went into this war based on inaccurate intelligence information and based on assumptions that just defy Kansas common sense," Slattery said.

The charges of intelligence incompetence got another round of airing last week when the now Democratic-controlled Intelligence Committee released a report that stated Bush and other top administration officials frequently made unsubstantiated assertions about Iraq's ties to al-Qaida.

Slattery said Roberts was partly to blame.

"Ultimately, Chairman Roberts and the Senate Intelligence Committee failed in their oversight responsibility, both going into the war and in getting to the bottom of what happened in a timely manner."

But Roberts criticized the report and defended his chairmanship of the committee.

The report, he said, "has done nothing to improve our intelligence capabilities, nor has it produced any reforms that may prevent intelligence failures in the future."

While he was chairman, Roberts said, he helped lead bi-partisan efforts to reform the intelligence community.

Aistrup said it's difficult to determine how voters in Kansas will react to Roberts' performance as the chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

"The question is whether or not the activities of the Intelligence Committee can be framed in an easy way for voters to understand. That will be Slattery's job," he said.

Economy and gas prices

But Slattery says there are other issues that make Roberts vulnerable, such as the economy and gas prices.

A Rasmussen poll in May showed Roberts ahead 52 percent to 40 percent, which Slattery interpreted as good news for him this early in the campaign.

Aistrup said for Slattery to win, he must win in Johnson County, and by large majorities in Douglas and Wyandotte counties. He must stay close in Sedgwick County and "do well" in the midsize counties.

Then Kansans may see the kind of race they saw in 1974 when Republican U.S. Sen. Bob Dole and Democrat Bill Roy went after it. Dole won that election by only a few thousand votes in a race that is described by many as a watershed moment in Kansas politics.

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Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 6 years, 3 months ago

How about taking a look at the other Democratic candidate for this position. He's actually a Kansan who will work for real Democratic ideals and not just for the high dollar clients that made Slattery a gazillionaire. Come on JW where's your story on the real Democrat in this race?

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dirkleisure 6 years, 3 months ago

cato's 9:13 am post would make a wonderful topic for a high school political science discussion of the political ideologies typically associated with a fascist society.

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Trekkie 6 years, 3 months ago

It's just like south park. You get to vote between a douche bag and a turd sandwich.I worked at a hotel in '94 down in Wichita. there was some kind of state government event was there. Ms. Nancy Kassebaum was there, Tom Docking, a number of name brand politicians including Mr. Slattery.We were understaffed, so I was working the front desk & the phones.Docking called, wanted Mr. Slattery's room, the phone was busy. Mr Docking requested I leave a message on the room that he called. I asked for more details as that's kinda a useless message. His response was no, he'll know what I mean.Mr. Slattery bitched me out for the quality of the message when he came to get it, and then came down to the front desk to tell me in person he was expecting this call and if I could 'handle that' or did he need someone 'more competent' to do that kind of a task.The guys a moron, Roberts isn't any better.My view is if they have any experience at being a politician, vote against them. That's what's wrong, politics has become a profession, not a call to service. Term limits all around. 2 terms for every office, and a term in one counts as a term in another. So you can play US rep, then US Senate. Congress is a term, President is a term.Only way we'll survive.

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

DL, it has been de rigueur in America since the late 1960's for political collectivists, neo-marxists, and socialists to label anyone who disagrees with them a "fascist." I was there, and frequently marveled at such idiocy. Based on what I see from you and others who regularly post here, this particular brand of idiocy is still alive and well in Lawrence. By the way, before you label someone a "fascist" you might want to study fascism and find out what its tenets and indicia actually were.

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Pug 6 years, 3 months ago

What I don't understand is all this negative rhetoric regarding lobbyists. yes, there are lobbyists, such as Jack Abramoff, who are corrupt and practice malfeasance. I defy you to find one lawmaker in the land, however, who has not had dealings with a less-than-admirable lobbyist. On the flipside, the nation needs lobbyists. I worked on Capitol Hill. I know Hill staffers. Some are good, hard-working individuals who want to benefit their home state. others simply want to become lobbyists. The scary thing about it, though, is that many Hill staffers are young and inexperienced or from a different state than the one they work for. If not for lobbyists, who often represent the needs and interests of a lawmaker's constituency better than the lawmaker or his or her staff, Congress would be more inefficient than it already is. Without lobbyists, Hill staffers and lawmakers would have not the slightest idea of how to help their state or the nation. that said, it is ridiculous, dishonest, pandering and nothing short of demagoguery when Sen. Charles Patrick Roberts criticizes Jim Slattery for being a lobbyist who abandoned Kansas. This is a Pat Roberts who would prefer to vacation in his wife's home state of North Carolina than come to Kansas. This is a Pat Roberts who got his own son a lobbying job in Washington, D.C.

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 3 months ago

"Slattery and Ryun need to get an apartment togather. That way they can vote for each other, and lament why no one wants them. Both are a bad joke."You may may as well include Roberts. All three have spent too much time on the government tax dollar payroll. Don't send any of them back for that will change nothing.

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Orwell 6 years, 3 months ago

Cato:Give it up. We're sick of being frightened into giving up our freedom. No more.B. Franklin was right: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

Clem, congratulations for being the 10,000th person to reveal his brilliance by referring to Ben Franklin's alleged quote. In fact, no one knows whether he actually said it, and there are numerous variants of the actual words used, if in fact they were. By the way, do you know anyone who lost a family member or loved one on September 11, 2001? Do you have any idea how that feels? How would you like to experience it yourself? Do you think that increased vigilance since the WTC attacks has been unnecessary? Or are you one of those who believes that singing Kumbaya with radical terrorists will get them to love us? Give it up, Clem.

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TopJayhawk 6 years, 3 months ago

Slattery and Ryun need to get an apartment togather. That way they can vote for each other, and lament why no one wants them. Both are a bad joke.

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 3 months ago

Want green collar jobs,alternative energy, jobs back to america and healthcare for all? Fire 95% of all elected officials! Jim Slattery is an incumbent :. A super insider!Why is it Americans cannot elect a representative instead of a name from corporate america? What is the romance? Why do americans fall over themselves for political media stars and fat cats? Have we not learned that these people NEVER make things better they just continue the corporate welfare and watch american jobs go abroad. It really stinks!The news media and corporate america do NOT need to decide who OUR candidates should be for local,state or federal level representation. The media takes in a ton of cash during our election periods and play a huge role in selecting candidates for all sides of the aisle. Then THEY decide who should participate in televised debates as if no one else matters to the voters. Yes they also seem to decide which issues are important to voters and many times miss the mark. The media has become a large part of the special interest takeover of our process as if they know what is best for all of us. Voters support this takeover by voting for those candidates who also spend the most money and the question is why?Campaigns go too long,spend way too much money and do not necessarily provide the best available. It is up to us to stop the nonsense at the voting booths on the 2008 ballot.Not voting sends the wrong message and changes nothing.Lets's demand a new system and vote in Fair Vote America : http://www.fairvote.org/irv/ Demand a change on the 2008 ballot. The big money candidates are more beholden than ever to corporate special interests due to the very long nature of campaigns. How do they have time to do the job they were elected to do? We need public financing of campaigns. Citizens cannot afford special interest money campaigns for it is the citizens that get left out.http://www.publicampaign.org/Who would be against Public Funding? Lobbyists for one. The special interest money providers and their bought and paid for politicians!

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KansasVoter 6 years, 3 months ago

If being a lobbyist is such a bad thing, then why is Pat Roberts son David employed as a lobbyist? Also, what kind of favors has ol' Pat done for Davey's clients?

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Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 6 years, 3 months ago

Read Merrill's posts at the top. Lee Jones is a union man who will vote for the interests of middle and working class Americans. Slattery is just another one of Governor Roundheels' boondoggles, a stooge for the rich. Why vote Democratic if all we're going to do is offer them wealthy Republican retreads like Parkinson and their puppets like Slattery.Vote for Lee Jones in the primary and tell Roundheels and her crowd that you want your party back.

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Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 6 years, 3 months ago

Phill Kline has announced for the Johnson County DA position almost guaranteeing a Democratic victory and who do we have running for that slot? A real Democrat? No, Rick Guinn, Republican sideman to Paul Morrison. We can't do anything about that embarrassment, but we can in this race. Vote Lee Jones.Contact: Lou Ann KempfContact Number: 913-385-0281Email: campaignmanager@leejones.com

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

Roberts will do well at the polls in Kansas outside of Douglas County. He is ten times the person that those who would compromise our national security are. The last time I checked, there has not been a terrorist attack against Americans on U.S. soil since September 11, 2001. This is in part because of the passage of the Patriot Act, whether certain of the bozos posting above realize it or not. For security reasons, not all of the planned terrorist activities that have been interdicted have yet been made public, but will be in time. When that occurs, as long as capable, responsible people like Pat Roberts have been holding political office in the interim and these bozos are still alive as a result, perhaps they may experience an epiphany, but it's doubtful that they will ever have the intelligence to do so.

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 3 months ago

U.S. SEN. CANDIDATE LEE JONES NAMES CAMPAIGN LEADERSHIPDemocrat Lee Jones Builds Campaign as he Gains Grass-root Support in KansasU.S. Senate candidate Lee Jones picks up grassroots support. Democrat Lee Jones has continued to pick up support among state Democratic Party activists. Jones recently announced his campaign will be co-chaired by former Kansas Speaker of the House Marvin Barkis and Shirley Jacques, a former member of the Democratic National Committee. Sue Peachey will serve as treasurer and Lou Ann (Swarens) Kempf as campaign manager.Former Kan. Speaker of the House Marvin Barkis of Louisburg is serving as co-chairman of Jones' 2008 U.S. Senate campaign against Pat Roberts. Barkis is a 14-year veteran of the Kansas House and established himself as an advocate for health, welfare and education during his time in the Kansas legislature.Shirley Jacques of Salina will serve as campaign co-chairwoman for Jones' Senate campaign. Jacques' is a former member of the Democratic National Committee. Jacques currently serves as the First District Vice-Chair for the Kan. Democratic Party and has received awards from the Kan. Democratic Party for her service to Democratic candidates and the party.Lou Ann (Swarens) Kempf will be working as campaign manager for Jones' Senate bid. Kempf is a veteran of numerous congressional campaigns in Kansas, Missouri and Nevada. Kempf (Swarens) previously served in campaign management roles for local, state and national elections and was active in both the Gore campaign in 2000 and Clinton campaign in 1996. Kempf (Swarens) has also been active in promoting democratic values by establishing and supporting grassroots democratic organizations and networks throughout the country.Sue Peachey of Pratt is serving Jones' campaign as treasurer. Peachey is active in many local and regional organizations and currently serves as co-Chair of the Pratt County Democratic Central Committee and precinct person for township 12. Peachey has worked to elect many candidates at the local, state and national levels.Since announcing his campaign, Lee Jones has also established his campaign web site, www.leejones.com. Jones has also recognized the importance of using online social networking tools such as Facebook and Myspace to connect with young voters in this election and has begun to establish his online presence in that domain as well.Contact: Lou Ann KempfContact Number: 913-385-0281Email: campaignmanager@leejones.com

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zzgoeb 6 years, 3 months ago

Once again, let's reiterate; Pat is snoozing at the helm. His work with the intel committee was and is a JOKE. Cato has drunk the Kool-Aid, and is certain there's no problem with our loss of civil liberties, or with the economy. Maybe these folks will pack up and move to Rush's house after Bush leaves office!

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 3 months ago

KAN. U.S. SEN. CANDIDATE JIM SLATTERY HAS DEEP LOBBYIST TIESDemocrat Jim Slattery Worked for Powerful Lobbying Firm for Over 15 YearsSlattery joined the lobbying firm Wiley Rein & Fielding after losing a bid to become the Governor of Kansas in 1994 to Republican Bill Graves with a 24-point deficit. After losing that election, Slattery moved to Virginia to began his work for the Wiley Rein & Fielding lobbying firm. Wiley Rein is widely considered a powerful lobbying firm in Washington, D.C with the typical firm partner earning approximately $4.5 million a year. The lobbying firm has previously described Slattery as one of the top telecom lobbyists in Washington D.C. Slattery has also represented steel, energy and insurance companies while working for the lobbying firm.The lobbying firm changed it's name to Wiley Rein, LLP after senior partner Fred Fielding left to become Chief Counsel to President Bush, following the departure of former Chief Counsel Harriet Miers. Prior to leaving Wiley Rein, Fielding was heavily involved with aiding the Bush administration in developing policy and was a key figure in the confirmation of Donald Rumsfield as Defense Secretary. Upon becoming Chief Counsel to the President, Fielding has filled White House legal offices with numerous other lawyers from Wiley Rein.In addition to Fred Fielding, the firm also employs other controversial political figures such as current FCC Chair, Kevin Martin. The lobbying firm was also slapped with a multi-million dollar fine last year for withholding policy information from policyholders affected by the World Trade Center attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. The firm has also courted controversy by seeking to limit insurance coverage for Hurricane Katrina victims by arguing that the damage caused was flood damage rather than hurricane damage and therefore claims were not legitimate.According to Legal Times, the firm "represents as perfect a merging of public policy and corporate America as exists in Washington." Current corporate Wiley Rein clients include AT&T, Time-Warner, CBS, Viacom, Gannett, United Parcel Service, Spirit Airlines, Philips Electronics, UNOCAL, the Kansas City Southern Railroad, Intelsat, and Motorola, Belo, Emmis, Gray Television, and Motorola.Jones is a railroad engineer living in Overland Park and has advocated issues relating to working families, workplace and transportation safety, healthcare and retirement security at both the state and federal levels as a former Vice President of Governmental Affairs for the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers.Jones has stated, "I will not represent insurance companies, the oil industry, pharmaceutical companies or any other big business. I will represent the needs of the small businesses in Kansas, the hardworking family farmers of Kansas and the average Kansan."Contact: Lou Ann KempfContact Number: 913-385-0281Email: campaignmanager@leejones.com

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

Logrithmic, in addition to having honored me by saying that I disgust you, do you seriously question whether a plane flew into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001? Are you saying that the concerns that I have articulated, which are shared by millions of other Americans, both Republicans and Democrats, are so groundless that we need not be concerned with trying to prevent our sworn enemies from repeating what they did to us on that day? Based on what you have said, are you so addled from exposure to the left-wing blogosphere that you believe that the WTC attacks were planned by our own government? Let it all hang out, please.

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Frank Smith 6 years, 3 months ago

Here's a way to improve the intelligence capabilities of the nation. Get rid of Roberts!He spent years covering up for Bush's intelligence failures including by refusing to subpoena key witnesses.Roberts thinks living in Kansas put one in touch with the state. Why then does he have his "residence" in a strip mall In Dodge City?

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

Let me make this very clear: There are those of us in this country who do not want people who are upset with Senator Roberts' staff members deciding that our way of life should be compromised because they do not agree with anything that the Bush administration has done, including joining with many Democrats to secure the passage of the Patriot Act. Regarding the tired, lame, imagined "deprivation of liberties" arguments, there would be no greater deprivation of my liberties, and those of my family, or anything more "sinister," than the detonation of a smart bomb in the Kansas City area - perhaps coupled with the simultaneous detonation of a dozen more in major American cities. There are people out there who desire nothing more than this, and many of us are going to do whatever we can to prevent it, including voting for those in office who are pledged to protect us - which includes Senator Pat Roberts.

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

Logrithmic, I don't have one, but would you lend me yours? I could consider wearing it in order to identify with your thought processes while I'm reading your posts.

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

Thanks, Logrithmic - I thought so. Your tinfoil hat shines brightly.

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infinity 6 years, 3 months ago

Cato,You claim that the safety of your loved ones is important to you. What I fail to understand is how the Patriot Act makes America any more "safe". A couple of things to keep in mind...- Expanding police powers does nothing to strengthen national security. At best, you will win that police have access to more information. However, keep in mind that much of that information is entirely useless - the vast majority of Americans are law-abiding citizens - monitoring them does nothing to prevent another terrorist attack. Instead of keeping our police forces, CIA, and FBI swamped with the library records and emails of innocent Americans, why don't we have them focus on the real threats to the United States? Limiting police power makes America safer because requiring search warrants ensures police will actually be going after the bad guys instead of pointless searches on everyday people. This act, if anything, has increased the likelihood of terrorism.- You will point to the fact that there hasn't been another terrorist attack on American soil, however I reply you've failed to demonstrate that correllation proves causation. You would have to show that the absence of a terrorist attack was actually caused by expansion of police powers, rather than other factors. Other things could have caused this reduction in terrorism: lack of resources or the war in Iraq (which I'm guessing you support) just to name a few. Unless you can somehow prove that the Patriot Act is what reduced terrorism, which I think is impossible, then there's no way you can make such a claim.- Furthermore, even if you somehow show that expanded police powers is the way to strengthen national security, something you're pretty far from at this point in the game, you still fail to see that security is achieved at a terrible price: freedom. The Patriot Act is a gross violation of civil liberties - especially 4th amendment rights. Warrantless searches of emails and library records are destroying the foundation of our democratic society. You brush these concerns aside with the claim that saving lives is important, yet you fail to see that this attitude jeopardizes the wellbeing of America. Our government's obligation to the people extends beyond mere life. The Patriot Act has eroded our freedoms by expanding police powers, has destroyed our happiness by forcing Americans to live in fear. Those are important values that every American should seek to protect, yet they're values people seem all too eager to sacrifice. It's time to vote Roberts out of office and bring freedom, happiness, AND security back to the American people!

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infinity 6 years, 3 months ago

Cato,I never claimed to be a "brilliant thinker" nor do I think throwing out the constitution if it furthers my "own view of social justice" is a good thing. I also don't believe you're "ignorant" or "unwashed". I respect your opinion I just disagree with the reasoning behind it. I'd appreciate it if you'd show me the same courtesy.You first comment that my argument is somehow less credible, but I have a few problems with this. First, what exactly is credibility? Does the possession of a law degree or political office really make a person more credible than the rest of us? A warranted assertion is credible in my book - my arguments are all well developed and analyzed. But, if you're going to claim that the political and legal community is more credible, I would reply that the Patriot Act faces opposition in both of these areas. There are plenty of politicians that disagree with current searches, and the legal community has challenged Patriot Act provisions in court numerous times. There are "credible" experts on both sides of this issue.On to causation. You cite judicial precedent, however this is problematic for a few reasons. First, you're ignoring the fact that thousands of criminals have never been charged, and many more have walked, due to lack of hard evidence linking them to a crime. One small counterexample would pale in comparison. Furthermore, just because the Kansas Supreme Court says circumstantial evidence is sufficient doesn't mean that's right. The Supreme Court, specifically in Kansas, has been wrong numerous times before (Lawrence v. Texas comes to mind on this one). This goes back to my argument on crediblity - lawyers and politicians are people just like everyone else. They can make mistakes, so their opinions are no more "credible" than our own.Finally, you say that the Patriot Act never interferes with the lives of most Americans, but this is exactly my point! Searching innocent people does not make America more safe - all it does is threaten freedom. The threshold of probable cause was included in the constitution for a reason: it protects the rights of the people and keeps us safe by increasing the accuracy of investigations the police do engage in.

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

Infinity, while I appreciate your passion on the subject and your level of discourse, I still believe that your position is based much more on theoretical concerns than grounded in reality. In the rather broad circles in which I move, the only people I know who profess to believe as you do are those who vehemently detest President Bush or, somewhat more moderately, simply do not like any of the policies of the Bush administration, commencing with the time of the President's inauguration. This has happened time and time again in my conversations with friends and colleagues on this subject. Hence, credibility has to be a major factor in this analysis, and the standard complaints that you articulate are something of a broken record in my book. As for causation, one of the key concepts of our legal system is the consideration of circumstantial evidence. In fact, you may recall that few years ago a man was convicted in Lawrence of murdering his wife, the conviction was based solely on circumstantial evidence, and it was recently upheld by the Kansas Supreme Court. I have read plenty of information from objective sources since the passage of the Patriot Act, especially in the context of efforts of certain members of Congress since 2006 to water it down, that have discussed the fact that various terrorist plans have been interdicted through its use. The hardest sell you have is that the vast majority of Americans outside of university communities and liberal enclaves in major urban areas don't see the Patriot Act as interfering with their lives at all. Yes, some self-professed brilliant thinkers, who have no trouble at all throwing the Constitution out of the window if it can be interpreted in a fashion that furthers their own view of "social justice," will continue to view us as ignorant and unwashed, but we can live with that - with emphasis on the word "live." I know you don't see it that way, but we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 3 months ago

"beobachter (Anonymous) says:Merrill, I don't care how much cut & paste you do. Anybody is better than Roberts, Slattery may have lobbyist ties, but he's not a Bush protector. So that makes him a much better choice."Returning the same faces to D.C. is the problem not the solution.Vote Lee Jones!

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

Infinity, as I previously stated, we will have to agree to disagree. Thank you for your further thoughts, however.

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notajayhawk 6 years, 3 months ago

logrithmic (Anonymous) says: "Even someone with your questionable IQ should realize that the DOD and FAA have admitted to lying under oath to the 9-11 commission. I really don't have to say anything else about that: the proof is there."So ... the proof is in the report ... because the people interviewed in the report lied.Um, okay, makes sense.*********In more news:"Slattery is pledging to hold his breath and walk to Pluto"About an equal chance of that happening as him beating Roberts.

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

Blog, did you send your latest post from your iPhone, or has the inability to come to grips with your profound hatred of the current political administration caused you to drown your sorrows in your favorite libation?

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

Blogrithmic, do you ever read Popular Mechanics? Have you ever visited its website? Have you seen its special report, either on television or on its website, entitled "Debunking the 9-11 Myths?" It's a closed case, Blog.

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

Blog, if the point has nothing to do with conspiracy theories, why did you deem it necessary to cite them as authority for your position?

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

Yes, Cool, Mr. Moyers is truly one of the more dotty dot connectors around, and a real embarrassment to common sense. He would be best described as a raving loon mired in the failed politics of his god and mentor, LBJ.

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

DL, I beg to differ. If you have read Blog's previous posts, he refers either directly or by implication to a number of the myths that were debunked by the report. Try, for starters, 5:05 p.m. on June 10.

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dirkleisure 6 years, 3 months ago

cato - didn't go that far back. It's a pity some of log's more relevant points about the commission are clouded by "what really hit the towers" nonsense.

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dirkleisure 6 years, 3 months ago

cato, I went through the Popular Mechanics stories, originally published in 2005 (very recent).The conspiracies dealt with in that story are really fringe theories about the planes being military, about extra explosives on the planes, etc.None of that is relative to log's posts. Log is honing in on the 9/11 Commission report and inaccuracies in the accounts provided by the administration and independent accounts of accepted and actual happenings on that morning.That's a far cry from the tin-foil hat stuff in the Popular Mechanics stuff. I totally agree with you, the people advocating those theories also believe the moon landing was staged. However, that's not log's point and you would be better served if you stopped with your name-calling based on your false impressions.

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commuter 6 years, 3 months ago

Log- I thought Clinton was impeached for lying under oath- this is called purjury!!! You and I would get in trouble for doing it. Look Clinton gave up his law license- so the ABA wouldn't go after him for violating their rules. Merrill- thanks for the cut and paste. When you are done smoking POT let me know so you can have an original thought. Lay off the pipe! Smoking pot is illegal but you probally should since your PLC buddies are history. Happy munching!!

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Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 6 years, 3 months ago

Contact: Lou Ann KempfContact Number: 913-385-0281Email: campaignmanager@leejones.comLee Jones for SenateIssues:http://www.leejones.com/issues.htmlSo I cut and pasted, so what, it still says more than the BS you'll get from the gazillionaire lobbyist.

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

Blog, why have you refused to respond whether you have read or seen on television the very recent Popular Mechanics special report debunking the 9-11 myths? Contrary to your last disjointed rant, assisting you and, perhaps, your therapist with a reference to this report is the best response that I can provide. Or, as a certified tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy theorist, do you believe that this report itself is the product of a yet another conspiracy?

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georgeofwesternkansas 6 years, 3 months ago

Cool, quick get over there, sombody is tearing down another old house. You know over by the hotel site. QUICK get over there and stop them!!!

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

And, Blog, please have the common courtesy not to compare a complete and utter wimp like Moyers with the British Lion.

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cato_the_elder 6 years, 3 months ago

Blog, "raving loon" was much too kind for Lil' Bill. I should have said something more akin to "He's as clueless as Blogarrhythmic."

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