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Officials worry about music fest campers amid 1974 conditions

Lara Barricklow, front, Springfield, Mo., and her mother Christy Barricklow, Warrensburg, Mo., work to assemble their tent poles as clouds begin to cover the sky Wednesday evening, June 4, 2008 at Clinton Lake State Park.

By Erin Castaneda

June 5, 2008

2008 Wakarusa Festival

The fifth annual Wakarusa Music and Camping Festival winds down tonight. But this afternoon large crowds enjoyed the sunshine and great music of several bands.

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2008 Wakarusa Music and Camping Festival

The fifth annual Wakarusa Music and Camping Festival starts on June 5th and runs through June 8th. Organizers are planning on more than 13,500 guests, which would make Clinton State Park the second-largest city in Douglas County until the festival wraps up. See videos, photo galleries, the Wak Talk blog, Best Bets, and more about the Wakarusa Fest.

Past Event

featuring Buckethead / Lotus / Bettye LaVette / and more…

When: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 10 a.m.
Where: Clinton State Park, Clinton Lake, Lawrence
Cost: $49 - $469
More on this event....

A threat of severe weather and a possible tornado outbreak tonight has Lawrence law enforcement agencies on high alert.

That's because 13,000 people are expected to be at Clinton Lake State Park today for the fifth annual Wakarusa Festival. Many festivalgoers camp out during the four-day event at the park, which has few exits and little shelter.

Lt. Kari Wempe, a spokeswoman for the Douglas County Sheriff's Office, said the state park is "not equipped to handle" or shelter thousands of people in park buildings.

The sheriff's department will work with festival organizers to spread the word if harsh weather approaches.

"If severe weather actually comes about, we'll work with the Douglas County Sheriff to notify the patrons through stage announcements, messages from the squad cars going through the campgrounds and any way we can communicate with them as possible," said Nathan Prenger, Wakarusa site director.

If just a severe thunderstorm blows through, Prenger advised people to seek shelter in their cars. If there is a tornado, he encouraged people to get down in a low-lying area.

On Wednesday, the National Weather Service warned of a storm system that could produce a tornado outbreak in the Great Plains tonight.

Some weather experts said the conditions are similar to a June 8, 1974, storm when 39 tornadoes touched down in the southern Plains and killed 22 people, including six in Emporia.

Jennifer Schack, 6News meteorologist, said she and other local meteorologists have kept an eye on the storm this week.

Schack said she expected severe storms and possible tornadoes to hit central Kansas during the late afternoon. She predicted the storms would lessen in severity as they approached the Lawrence area.

"As the storms move eastward and as we head into the evening, they could start merging together, which would bring the tornadic threat down but not eliminate that tornadic threat," she said.

Some festivalgoers who purchased VIP tickets and set up campsites Wednesday were ready to take on the weather.

Christine Lowell, Detroit, who was in Lawrence for her first Wakarusa Festival, said her plan was to head to her van for shelter.

"There's nothing we really can do but hit the van and hope for the best," she said.

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5 June 2008
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gr (Anonymous) says…

You know it's coming - sound the alarm!That way, we can hear complaints about how it was too early and no one paid attention to it.
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countrygirl (Anonymous) says…

You know it's coming so use some common sense. Check the batteries in the radio and the flashlight and keep an eye on the kids playing outside. The sky isn't falling (at least not yet!) so no need to panic but there's no excuse for not being prepared when you have this much advance warning.
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Pywacket (Anonymous) says…

Not all the batteries and flashlights in the world—nor even untold numbers of suitcases lashed firmly to studs—can save your house if flocks of dirty hippies are plucked bodily from the state park and flung willy-nilly around the city.Splat! and your roof is contaminated. Splat! and your siding is slimed and stained. I predict a major cleanup later featuring Simple Green and firehoses. You heard it here first.
5 June 2008
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countrygirl (Anonymous) says…

Dang Pywacket—I just got coffee all over my keyboard! LOL!!!
5 June 2008
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outl… memory serves, I can count on one hand how many times in the past five years we've been put in the high risk area. Hopefully, the cap holds till later this evening and the initial supercells start in central KS. Still, when the good outlook is maybe we'll get hit with a squall line, you know it might be a rough day for some.I sure hope some old hippie guy is selling Katie Horner Approved bike helmets on Shakedown Street this afternoon.
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rodentgirl16 (Anonymous) says…

TOB,That's exactly what I was thinking. I haven't seen a high-risk area that large before, even during the May 3-8, 2003 storms. Usually it is a fairly small bulls-eyed area. I don't usually get too concerned about severe weather, but I have to admit, I'm a little nervous about this one.
5 June 2008
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ksdivakat (Anonymous) says…

Gr……great post and oh so true!!!

5 June 2008
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…

Ol' Gary Lezak has a pretty decent weather blog. He and his crew update it frequently with their thoughts on what is going on. Instead of waiting for updates to official forecasts, you can read about their thinking into what may happen.http://community.nbcactionnews.com/blogs/weatherblog/archive/2008/06/05/3081398.aspxRodent girl - Yeah, not only is it a high risk, but it is a huge area. I'm no expert, but I really don't remember a high risk area that large in past few years.
5 June 2008
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alm77 (Anonymous) says…

rammy, that was mean. Okay, posters. Talk to me about weather radios. I haven't purchased one yet, but it's on my list of things to do today. What kind is there? What kind should I get? Is a cheap one just as good as a fancy one? What do I *really* need?
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road_Runner (Anonymous) says…

Just by glancing at the maps this morning, if I were chasing today, I would start off east of Salina and go from there depending on where the dryline sets up. Since the movement of the storms are going to be from SW to NE at an insane 50mph, I would just sit in one spot and let the storms come to me. It'll be interesting to see how long the cap holds in central Kansas since it's going to be quite strong. There also will be a large amount of forcing in the atmosphere today which will play a heavy factor on the storm mode (supercellular vs linear), especially later on in the day. Either way, it's going to be a very active day in the weather department.
5 June 2008
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stargazer (Anonymous) says…

Anyone that has a weather radio. Do you actually hear the “test” that is suppose to be announced every wednesday? I bought one a couple weeks ago, and brought to work last wed. no announcement/test.
5 June 2008
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rodentgirl16 (Anonymous) says…

alm77,You can pick up a quality Midland Weather Radio at Walgreens for $30 (as of Saturday anyway). They also have them at RadioShack with more “special features,” and of course, for more money (and really crappy customer service). Midland All-Hazards Weather Radios are usually considered the gold standard. However, other people may have good insight. Does anyone else have any recommendations?stargazer,Is the test on Wednesday? I thought it was on Mondays when they test the sirens, at least, it used to be. Also, make sure (depending on the type of weather radio that you have) that your alarm is set to tone, not voice, or message. That's the way they are on Midland weather radios.
5 June 2008
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cfdxprt (Anonymous) says…

alm,The wife and I got one and we couldn't get the Topeka NWS only the Pleasant Hill one, so we were well aware of what was going on in Missouri and JoCo, but not here. We ended up returning ours. Someone posted here a while ago a map from NOAA showing areas where the Topeka station didn't have coverage and it was a large swath of Lawrence. Sorry I don't have the link, although the map was zoomed out enough it was hard to tell for specific areas in Lawrence. I'd suggest getting one, but save your receipt, ours turned out to be just a nuisance not a help.On another note, it'd be nice if Sunflower got it right today and the severe weather warnings didn't switch back and forth between the warning and a blank screen with no sound. You only get to hear half of what their saying.
5 June 2008
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blue73harley (Anonymous) says…

Surely the Waky Fest has created a good karma zone around the Lawrence area and we will be spared.
5 June 2008
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…

“I bought one a couple weeks ago, and brought to work last wed. no announcement/test.”It was cancelled, because of the severe weather potential in the area and they didn't want to confuse/scare anybody. There was a make-up date, but I'm not sure when it is. I'm sure you'll get to hear it going off tonight.

5 June 2008
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westernksgirl (Anonymous) says…

They also have Midland radio's at Hy-Vee with the Topeka Station, Douglas County Preset is at 4 ..Learned that the hard way after being woke up at midnight for storms in Chase County (that I had to program County specific). Now, I need to learn to program the thing to only squawk when I need to head to the basement, and, not when there is possible creek flooding in the area . .Have a feeling the thing will be pretty active this evening.
5 June 2008
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stargazer (Anonymous) says…

Thanks rodientgirl and TOB. The paper I got with my weather radio says NOAA does a test every wednesday from 10 am -12pm. This is not the same as the city siren test. We know those are worthless. LOL, I hope it does go off tonight so I know that I have it set up right. Don't want the bad weather tho. :-D
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westernksgirl (Anonymous) says…

P.S. Py - - that post made me giggle. Suppose I'll have to use up some back up batteries to play some Slayer music. “Hippies hate Slayer” - -Southpark
5 June 2008
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

Py,,that post is going to get extended airplay being sent to others.A bit ago, I found an email from a prof grading in Lincoln NB. Sent 6:57am. While writing he said, Oops, they are evacuating the dorm for a tornado, gotta go..more later!
5 June 2008
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ksdivakat (Anonymous) says…

God bless you rammy, I hope you and your family stay safe!
5 June 2008
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…

Madmike -All I can say is that the LJW Message Board is a fickle mistress.
5 June 2008
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

i guess it's okay to dog the homeless at the library, but not okay to dog the festival goers.Good to know.
5 June 2008
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

Hey, what do you all think?Will Katie be prepared and wearing work attire tonight on guard at the station, or will this be another baseball cap incident?Does FEMA cover concert goers?It might be fun to hear the conversations about the possibilities at the ER today and tonight.

5 June 2008
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Pywacket (Anonymous) says…

WesternKsGirl~ Yes—we must blast Slayer from our homes to help ward them off. I would guess that old Lawrence Welk recordings featuring lots of accordion might do the trick, as well. (The catch is, we'd have to use earplugs ourselves.)I was at Traverse City State Park in Michigan (upper LP) once, along with husband, 5-mo-old son, good friend, and her 10-yr-old son when a tornado went through the park. The park rangers tried to evacuate everyone from their campers & tents to the ranger station, a big, open cinderblock building near the park entrance. Our camper, deep in the woods, went unscathed, but a few campers very near the building were blown about & demolished. Unfortunately, some people had stayed in those campers and were taken to the hospital with moderate-to-severe injuries.While those aluminum-can campers were obviously not a safe place to be, I had to wonder how many of us would've survived if the building had taken a direct hit (and the tornado had been a more powerful one). Nonetheless, it was the best of several bad options. The tornado was a small one and the accompanying thunderstorm was pretty severe. At least we were much safer from lightning, wind, & falling tree limbs than we would've been in the campers.This was in late October, btw, and there had been no prior indication that the weekend would hold such severe weather—or I certainly wouldn't have been there with my wee firstborn!I wonder what the Clinton SP's response would be in a tornado warning. The sheer numbers would make it a logistical nightmare.
5 June 2008
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

A new line of storms forming rapidly between Dodge City and Salina.
5 June 2008
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mistygreen (Anonymous) says…

I would recommend this weather radio: Oregon Scientific Public Alert Emergency Portable Weather RadioModel #: ORE WR601I've purchased 3 in the last month. The only place I could find them are at Circuit City, in KC. The are ac/dc and portable. Which means you can take it with you in the car or outdoors, or to your basement. You can program up to 6 counties, and only get the watches and warnings, so it's not going off all the time. I live in eastern Douglas county and have no problem with reception with the NWS office in Pleasant Hill, MO.
5 June 2008
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Gootsie (Anonymous) says…

Gosh I've missed you all. Py, let's do the Hippie Hippie Splat. Very funny!I've been gone a while and am blonde - I'm guessing road_runner is a storm chaser? MD, is my beloved Ashland OK? Where's my STUD???
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bevy (Anonymous) says…

Thanks Goots, now I have the Hippie Hippie Shake running through my head. Py, I'm glad that I wasn't taking a drink of anything when I read your post. My daughter is gonna be PO'd. She just spent the last 3 days getting her basement bedroom dry! It only leaks when we get a LOT of rain over a long period.Keep your heads down tonight everyone!
5 June 2008
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…

Gootsie -Ashland looks cool. Stafford looks like a very uncool place to be right now.http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ddc/
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cloudbursting (Anonymous) says…

Hi all,If we lose power tonight, what is a good radio station to tune into for information while we're huddled under the mattress waiting for all of this to pass? I'm from Wichita and I remember my parents taking me and my sisters to the basement where we all listened to KFDI throughout the storm. They had these great mobile units that reported continuously. Made us all feel better. Is there anything like that in Lawrence? Does 6 News broadcast on the radio? Any info. will be much appreciated. Thanks!
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

Although I'm not a big fan of the Wak festival, I do hope that everyone is safe. Afterall, they are all someone's son, daughter, brother, mother, etc. For up-to-date & live coverage (that you sure won't find on Channel 6!), check out the WIBW weather site and click on Streaming Video: http://www.wibw.com/weather

5 June 2008
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

WIBW is saying that some of the storms are moving at 72mph. Not much warning time for someone not paying much attention (or even those who are).
5 June 2008
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…

Say hello to the munchkins!
5 June 2008
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Gootsie (Anonymous) says…

Tribune is having a tornado, and they are just in a storm watch! This could be a long day!! Someone warn Cousin Eddie - Coolidge is nearby.I'll check Stafford too.
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rodentgirl16 (Anonymous) says…

I agree with confrontation. wibw.com is very good. I was also impressed with KANU 91.5 when we had the big storm at the beginning of May.
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…

I really hope the world's largest prairie dog has activated his tornado emergency plan.http://www.crh.noaa.gov/gld/
5 June 2008
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Boston_Corbett (Anonymous) says…

Gootsie: There was a tornado warning earlier in Baca County Colorado that sides up to Morton and Stanton County Kansas
5 June 2008
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LittleMissFlea (Anonymous) says…

KANU is excellent, I listened to them all day the day of the microburst. They also have a fairly strong signal.
5 June 2008
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Boston_Corbett (Anonymous) says…

If you want to know what is going on with the tornados and storms out west this afternoon, I would recommend the streaming weather presentation from KWCH in Wichitawww.kwch.com

5 June 2008
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cloudbursting (Anonymous) says…

Thanks so much for the info! I have wibw.com on now and will tune in to KANU later.
5 June 2008
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…

Merrill Teller!ksn.com is good as well. I've been streaming the past couple hours. The dude is cool as a cucumber. No theatics or hype.
5 June 2008
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Boston_Corbett (Anonymous) says…

US 156 is getting nailed pretty much non-stop from Great Bend to I-70. Tornado warnings in Ellsworth, Lincoln, Saline. Also a nasty storm south of Gove, and one about to hit Oberlin. www.kwch.comThese pups are moving 40-60 mph.
5 June 2008
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Boston_Corbett (Anonymous) says…

TOB, I noticed the storm in Kiowa earlier.
5 June 2008
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bender (Anonymous) says…

I've been told that you want to look for weather radios that have SAME technology. I guess that allows you to select what counties and what types of alerts you want. The cheaper radios don't have this so you get everything. Or so I hear.
5 June 2008
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Gootsie (Anonymous) says…

I like the ksn.com too. He is as TOB describes - very factful, no drama. Just the facts, man.They are popping out all over now. I don't believe they will get this far east.
5 June 2008
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mom_of_three (Anonymous) says…

ksn.com is Dave Freeman. He is great! Why do the people in KC get so excited? KMBC does good in KC, and like someone in topeka.
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road_Runner (Anonymous) says…

I agree, mom_of_three. Dave Freeman rocks! He is always very composed and focused.

5 June 2008
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Boston_Corbett (Anonymous) says…

Douglas County now officially has its Watch…tornado watch 466 is in effect until 1200 am cdt
5 June 2008
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gayokay (Anonymous) says…

It looks like the fhit is going to hit the san tonight. I wonder what the Phelps' did to piss God off this time?www.KansasEqualityCoalition.org
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Pywacket (Anonymous) says…

Oh, my lord… Katie is wearing hot fuchsia and is in full alert mode. Put on your big bug sunglasses before looking I don't watch TV weather much, but I just had to check her out. The rest of the evening, I'll be monitoring the situation from my porch and on the laptop (battery charged & ready for outages).
5 June 2008
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Boston_Corbett (Anonymous) says…

KatieHelmets…. on
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Moonbat (Anonymous) says…

I think we're in a full blown panic mode…there are no weather radios in this entire godforsaking town!And they're interrupting “Last Comic Standing”!!!
5 June 2008
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

Good Lord!!Thanks confrontation.I last looked, and things were just starting. I click on wibw and all hells breaking loose in Sebetha, etc.I went to the tv, and wibw there isn't nearly as good as this guy. I would have thought they wouldbe the same.Honestly..he's getting a bit excited.
5 June 2008
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Boston_Corbett (Anonymous) says…

I was watching 27 for a bit. Someone needs to tell those weather cowboys that when section lines appear on their maps, that they really are one mile apart. I just saw one dude try to identify a location of someone calling in 4 mile NNE of Marysville, and he drew a 15 mile by 15 mile circle that did not even include the stated location.I think the tie-dye kiddies are going to get a good wind storm and soaking tonight, but it at least it should blow through relatively quickly.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

As it's getting dark, I wonder if their feelings of confidence and bravery will diminish.I wonder if motels rooms are filling up with goers seeking over night shelter..anyone?

5 June 2008
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RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Anonymous) says…

Py,Battery back up on the DSL modem too, or aircard?
5 June 2008
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…

“weather cowboys” BostonA+, sir.
5 June 2008
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

cracking up here. wibw.com keeps the mike open when not “doing their thing”.I'm hearing all the back scene talk. They were just discussion the proper pronunciation of Wabaunsee..before long someone say, hey guys..we're on.giggle
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…

Looks like it might get a bit breezy in a couple hours. Ain't no missing this. That's just good meteorological speaking.—Might be a good idea to tie down loose items outdoors. This shouldn't last long at all, but it could be pretty strong winds. I'm off to find my codpiece.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

Here far SW, I can hear a start of thunder far away.Interesting variable winds.Just noticed little tykes picnic table was blown into the yard with a previous storm. That thing never moves. SInce it's up on it's side, tonight make take ti anywhere.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

TOB good idea. With 2x4's flying like toothpicks, codpieces are a good idea. Is a cod piece bigger than a Katie Helmut?And if a man had to choose, which would he cover, his brain or his…lower brain?
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Boston_Corbett (Anonymous) says…

My dog is a meteorologist. I always duct tape him to a tree trunk facing SW. He doesn't bark until the hailstones exceed one inch in size.
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…

“Is a cod piece bigger than a Katie Helmut?” MDActually, it is the same. The difference in the name is signified by where you place it on your body.

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road_Runner (Anonymous) says…

“Boston_Corbett (Anonymous) says: My dog is a meteorologist. I always duct tape him to a tree trunk facing SW. He doesn't bark until the hailstones exceed one inch in size.”Use a Mizzurah Tiger instead…It's much more fun that way. =]
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Pywacket (Anonymous) says…

R_I~ neither… Da man has a card, but I just throw in the towel, and read by flashlight. Or do crossword puzzles by flashlight.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

Topeka and Lawrence are saying little tornado chance.on the other hand…KC weather reporters on the ground West of Ottawa reports rotation lowering then going back up.
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

MD, suggest you bring that little tykes table inside before it crashes through your window.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

Thanks Godot..if I could get down there to do so, I would. Downstairs is no longer possible. It's been outside for years, it's on it's own. Bad part is, when those sit on their side, they get water inside. My bet is the “helper” sat it on it's side, and it just scooted along that way. I did put a light bulb on my deck..I'll let you all know when it hits here.(27th And Wakarusa)Think of just being one person/family out in the open. You face debris from the 'earth”.The concert people are facing debris from all the tents, coolers, etc etc. That will be something.Oops first raindrops now.
5 June 2008
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

Yep, they weren't lyin..it's a storm!
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road_Runner (Anonymous) says…

I-29 is closed now north of St. Joseph, primarily between Mound City and Rock Port. Several tornadoes apparently touched down there and they are still are working on extracating people from vehicles. I know it might be a long-shot after reading that, but I hope noone was seriously injured
5 June 2008
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Boston_Corbett (Anonymous) says…

big yawner at my house

5 June 2008
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Yeah, gettin' bad here also.10 degree temp drop in like 3 minutes.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

We have three pieces of hail hit the back window and disappear fast, so they weren't very big.Not enough light to see if the picnic table moved.The big pool is still there, still looking for a home!It's heavy enough empty to not move in high winds.I think our winds must have been about 60. It wasn't as strong as the storm that took out the big pine.Of course, morning may show me I've lost more.;(The news said most people at the fest left their stuff behind. I bet that is one big mess… who's going to clean it up?