Archive for Sunday, July 13, 2008

Bill Clinton warns of growing polarization

July 13, 2008


— Former President Bill Clinton warned Saturday that the country is becoming increasingly polarized despite the historic nature of the Democratic primary.

Speaking at the National Governors Association's semiannual meeting, Clinton noted that on the one hand, following the early stages of the Democratic primary, "the surviving candidates were an African-American man and a woman."

Clinton's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, battled for the Democratic nomination into June with fellow Democrat Barack Obama, son of a white mother and black father.

But this achievement was overshadowed by a growing distance between Americans, said Clinton.

"Underneath this apparent accommodation to our diversity, we are in fact hunkering down in communities of like-mindedness, and it affects our ability to manage difference," Clinton said.


beatrice 7 years ago

right-thinker: "I just keep the far-left loons thinking I'm some right-wing extremist, which I'm not." Funniest thing I've seen on here in a very long time. Now, you are trying to convince us it is an all act. Sure. We believe you. The only thing to make it funnier is if you had tried to convince us you aren't also a racist.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years ago

notajayhawk-- I find it interesting that you write more in praise of how intelligent your arguments are and how stupid others' are than you do in actually making and supporting anything like an "argument," or supplying a well-formed rebuttal to the arguments put forward by others.OK, I'm ready for you to tell me how stupid I am, again.

TopJayhawk 7 years ago

What is destroying and bankrupting this country is having so many people on the government largesse. No one wants to work anymore, and no one has to work anymore. And to "your worst nightmare" the polarization started when Reagan was president. Remember the words; senile, mean, throwing little old ladies out on the street. The worst President ever, how about "too old to understand. etc etc. The historical revisionism on here is just amazing.

yellowhouse 7 years ago

We have also told the current President Bush that he needs to check on the corruption in Lawrence Kansas too!

daddax98 7 years ago

"At least Repubs don't toss out these meaningless, useless phrases meant to appeal to dummies and youngsters."mission accomplished..... doh!

notajayhawk 7 years ago

"Philadelphia - Former President Bill Clinton warned Saturday that the country is becoming increasingly polarized...""Becoming???" Apparently former President Clinton hasn't been paying much attention to the past couple of decades. As those who are stupid enough to blame the polarization on the current administration have not.

Flap Doodle 7 years ago

Do you think Bill was shaking his finger when the said all that?

notajayhawk 7 years ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says: "notajayhawk- I find it interesting that you write more in praise of how intelligent your arguments are and how stupid others' are than you do in actually making and supporting anything like an "argument," or supplying a well-formed rebuttal to the arguments put forward by others."Ah, yes, boohoozo, it was my rebuttal that was lacking. beo's 'argument' that I responded to was - let's see - "thanks, needed good laugh." Now, I realize that to you and to many of your fellow Bush-bashers, that constitutes a well-formed argument. It actually does give as much factual information as your own so-called arguments. But if you had bothered to read my post - or if you're capable of doing so - I did indeed point to two actual examples supporting the contention that the polarization of which Mr. Clinton spoke existed prior to the current administration taking office - to wit, the narrow margin and heated election season preceding its installation, and the equally contentious nature of the debate over the tax increase at the beginning of the previous administration.Whereas boohoozo's argument that this, like everything else, is Bush's fault, consisted of:[insert sound of crickets chirping]Yep, you're the king of intellectualism, boohoozo. Why don't you go back to the moped thread and insult the dead guy a few more times? That was going over big. Real intellectual arguments you came up with there, blaming the victim for his own demise, saying he should have been riding the bus instead of a moped and defending your jacka** remarks with your as-yet baseless assumption that he must have been impaired. By now, boohoozo, I'm quite sure you're prepared to hear how stupid you are - so many have made that so clear on so many occasions, I'm sure it doesn't surprise you any more.

kansanjayhawk 7 years ago

Well Bill you ought to know you exploited those "communties of likemindedness" for years to put together the democrat coalition. Feminists, abortionists, homosexuals, minority groups etc. All you needed was 50% plus 1 to win. This is nothing new, except that your side might not be so benefited this year!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years ago

It's ironic that Clinton, who specialized in co-opting Republican policies, is labelled as "polarizing."

notajayhawk 7 years ago

Well, beo (incidentally, it would have been more accurate to use 'naj,' not 'ntj,' as the initials for 'notajayhawk'), maybe if you were above the age of ten you might have seen some signs of polarization prior to the current administration taking office. Even if you had been old enough to be around for the election that installed the current administration, the narrowness of the margin, you might have seen some signs. Maybe if you remembered the closeness of the vote, the divisiveness, associated with one of the first major acts of the previous administration - the tax increase - you would have some idea that this polarization is not exactly brand-new. And maybe when you're old enough you'll be able to carry on an intelligent conversation with adults.But I doubt it.

jaywalker 7 years ago

just_another_Village Idiot:"notajayhawk- I find it interesting that you write more in praise of how intelligent your arguments are and how stupid others' are than you do in actually making and supporting anything like an "argument," or supplying a well-formed rebuttal to the arguments put forward by others."Pot calling kettle, come in kettle. Everyone's still waiting for an 'argument' or 'well-formed rebuttal' from you. To hell with the well-formed part, just anything of substance will do. Anything other than the sophomoric Beavis and Butthead responses you spew; "Heh heh...BushCo..heh..stupid right...heh heh"

notajayhawk 7 years ago

TopJayhawk (Anonymous) says: "the polarization started when Reagan was president. "Or earlier.Remember "Don't blame me, I voted for Mcgovern" bumper stickers?

yourworstnightmare 7 years ago

I think Bill is a bit off target here. It is not the nation that is becoming polarized. It is a certain political strategy that has been in ascendance since Lee Atwater with his "Willie Horton" strategy. Karl Rove made it great.It is a say-anything, take-no-prisoners, damn-the-consequences attack style of politics that lives only in the moment.Lee Atwater denounced it on his death-bed, and the optimistic part of me says it is becoming more and more discredited and disreputable (thanks in no small part to John McCain).

TopJayhawk 7 years ago

Part of the problem is that the two sides don't get together and drink anymore, (seriously) and it is our fault. Used to be they would stay in Washington on weekends, and attend cocktail parties together, and work out comprimises. Then all the people complained that the congress needed to go home on weekends and check in with their constituants. and that has not helped the "polarization" of the politicians.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years ago

"Middle of the road is quickly disappearing in the United States."The implication that you course the middle road is laughable, mike.

jaywalker 7 years ago

In response to the article, well, let me first say -- what a pathetic excuse of a piece of journalism! First, the extraordinarily obvious: "the surviving candidates were an African-American man and a woman." Really? Thanks for clearing that up Bill. Though I give him the benefit of the doubt, figuring this quote is missing context, but making this one of two quotes for the 'story' is ridiculous.And only slightly less obvious is that there is severe polarization prevalent in this Nation. Again, thanks Bill. Where the hell have you been?There has always been a divide, but seems to me the chasm has been growing exponentially since the end of the Cold War. The extreme sides of the spectrum have grown at the expense of centrism. Compromise has (had) been the central road this country traveled on, however milquetoast and west Kansas boring it might have been. Without it nothing gets done (see Illegal Alien Invasion, Health Care Reform, Education, yada yada yada). Our elected officials desperately need to learn how to work and play well with each other, otherwise I don't see much prospect for 'change', no matter who takes the House.

beatrice 7 years ago

I really don't want to hear any more about Clinton's pole. We have heard more than enough, thank you very much.

ontheotherhand 7 years ago

It's the Right-Wing Christian way or the Highway. If you are not a God-fearing, drive-everyone-crazy-self-righteous Christian, then YOU are responsible for the polarization of America! (written with tongue in cheek)

jumpin_catfish 7 years ago

America without hearing a lie from a Clinton, priceless!

Godot 7 years ago

Political academes have been writing about "political polarization" since the 60's. It is a tired, worn out term. It assumes there are only two sides to an issue - democrats vs republicansPerhapns Clinton was referring to polarization within the Democrat party- the new left as represented by moveon and code pink, vs the old left as represented by what remains of the Clintonistas,As far as what is happening, politically, with our nation, the term, "splinterization" would be more apropo.

Roadkill_Rob 7 years ago

I'm still confused as to why some people around here hate Clinton so much but love Bush. I'm not a huge fan of either one, really, but with Clinton, we had 8 years of relative peace and a booming economy with a huge budget surplus. And with Bush, we've had war and struggling economy with a huge deficit. I mean, call me crazy, but I preferred the Clinton years.I understand disagreeing with various political ideologies but a lot of Americans just blindly follow politicians based on the "R" or "D" next to their name.We need to remember that both sides have good ideas and that we should debate and make compromises based on these good ideas.

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