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kansas778 (Anonymous) says…

Reading this was torture…

cato_the_elder (Anonymous) says…

This is one of the most shameful and disgusting pieces that has ever appeared in this newspaper. The author is an embarrassment to himself and to his own newspaper. He does, however, have the right to say what he says - and in so doing demonstrate his complete lack of understanding of the principles on which this Country was founded. Happy July 4th, everyone - celebrate it with zeal, and be as intensely proud as ever to be an American. I will, and I am.

kansas778 (Anonymous) says…

I'm sure Mr. Satullo is also against high taxes and the current wealth redistribution scheme, but he just ran out of column space.

madmike (Anonymous) says…

I have no doubt that as soon as Bozo and the other local leftists awake, we will hear them condone this piece of crap! After all, what is a day without Bozo using the term “Bu$hco”? Afterwards, they will of course enjoy their cookout of tofu, while wearing their “Che” T-Shirts and reading quotes from Cahirman Mao's Little Red Book!

I would gladly chip-in for their move to the communist country of their choice!

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

Why is it that you 22%ers cannot accept ANY argument that the current occupants of the Executive Branch have committed terrible wrongs. bush has admitted he directed that his agents use torture on behalf of the USA. That was done in our name and is something for which we should be rightfully shamed. This author has that point exactly right.

bush and this pathetic, cowardly, treasonous Congress are currently in the process of dismantling our 4th Amendment right to be free from warrantless spying by the government. Washington, Adams and Jefferson would be appalled to learn that this is the result of their great experiment. Undone by such unworthy bastards.

The country we want is worth fighting for, even in these lowly boards. The idiotic, the ill-informed and the evil must be contested. This is not, in the ridiculous words of Cato above, the most shameful or disgusting piece that has ever appeared in the LJW (we all know that honor must be reserved for one of Dolph's editorials.) This piece largely gets it right. Kansas778, no doubt, is being honest when he/she labels it as tortorous reading. The naked truth of what has transpired these last 7 years has, indeed, been a slow, methodical torture for most Americans. It is a shame, on this 4th of July, that such a column had to be written.

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

Madmike:

Please explain what the author got wrong. Thank you.

Barclay (Anonymous) says…

I suppose those that appreciate this editorial are packing their bags to move to Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, or Afghanistan. That way they can live in a really good country. I bet Canada or Mexico would take them to.

75x55 (Anonymous) says…

Tell ya what, Chrissy - how 'bout we all celebrate what is good and great about this country and all the good things this country has done, with special emphasis on that monument of human expression, the Declaration of Independence - for this one day.

Then we'll all have 364 days to self-flagellate ourselves. Sounds like a great deal for you.

Barclay (Anonymous) says…

Perhaps he should have mentioned 55% of all Douglas County pregnancies being allowed to end by abortion. What kind of country would allow that? I sincerely doubt that our Founding Fathers anticipated gay marriage either. I suppose he's right, pack 'em up and throw away those sulferous matches too! Might as well stay home and kick the dog!

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

Here you morons go, this is what Al Quaida uses and these pictures are from their manual. These idiots that say the United States uses “torture” when we keep someone cold, play loud music or waterboard are insane.

Go through all the pages and look at the photographed results. This is what torture really is and the United States doesn't do this. ****Warning, this is pretty graphic.**** Again this is from the Al Quaida Manual:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/yea…

here is the results of using those:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/yea…

Here is another source from the U.S. State Department.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/torture…

you guys need to see the level of what evil is before you pass it around as a trifle concern. The United States does not do this no matter how many left winger whacko “journalists” and “commentators” say so.

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

And the LJWorld needs to vette their “columnists” a little more, this is nothing but bare faced partisianship. This little “opinion” is empty and offensive and more importantly incorrect and a lie.

This from the “fourth estate”?

bennyoates (Anonymous) says…

One of the best and most truly American opinion pieces ever to appear in the LJWorld, contrary to the tantrum of cato. Keep up the good work, LJWorld.

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

The only people that need to do “atonement” today are the liars in the press and those liars that say the United States is Torturing people. We aren't by any stretch, we simply do not use hot irons, electric drills and blow torches. Geez! Look at the commotion raised just by loud music and making someone cold. And Abu Garab with the stacking of naked prisoners, which is not acceptable activities for the United States soldiers and associates, is not the same as using a blow torch or pulling someone's eye out. There is a world of difference between “humiliation and embarassement” and true psychological torment, which is still miles away from actual physical pain infliction and intention injury to cause pain.

Watch what you equivicate.

temperance (Anonymous) says…

@Scott3460 & bennyoates – I think the piece largely gets it right, too. You might appreciate today’s post by Juan Cole: http://www.juancole.com/2008/07/your-fou…

When the 22%ers roll out with the “love it or leave it” argument it just shows that they don’t understand our country and its founding ideas. We love the country and that’s why we’re disgusted by the status quo, and that’s why we want change. Demanding unconditional love for the government isn’t patriotism, it’s authoritarianism.

Happy 4th everyone!

verity (Anonymous) says…

I wasn't going to make a comment as it seems completely futile until I read Scott's comment that “The country we want is worth fighting for, even in these lowly boards.”

Yes, indeed, and thank you for taking the time to say so.

Yes, this editorial was torture to read, because what he said is exactly the truth and hard to take. When our country is going in the wrong direction, the only patriotic thing to do is to fight to turn it around.

Both parties are at fault, as are we as voters.

I know that this comment will persuade no one and I will probably be viciously attacked and told to leave the US, but at least people reading this will know that there are others who believe that we can be better and must fight for it.

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

If this county's denfense is left to the likes of Jaun Cole or Chris Satullo, and those of you that agree with them, outr country would perish in a minute.

You have arguments against the Bush admin, fine, but do not dirty the whole country and our reputation for the ages because you are so filled with hatred for theis particular presidential administration.

Do you guys even like living in America?

temperance (Anonymous) says…

“This is what torture really is and the United States doesn't do this.” Isn't it pretty to think so.

NYT July 2, 2008 “China Inspired Interrogations at Guantánamo”— “The military trainers who came to Guantánamo Bay in December 2002 based an entire interrogation class on a chart showing the effects of 'coercive management techniques' for possible use on prisoners, including 'sleep deprivation,' 'prolonged constraint,' and 'exposure.'

What the trainers did not say, and may not have known, was that their chart had been copied verbatim from a 1957 Air Force study of Chinese Communist techniques used during the Korean War to obtain confessions, many of them false, from American prisoners.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/us/02d…

monkeyhawk (Anonymous) says…

For those offended by this piece, you can take solace in the fact that your lives are not eaten up by the same maggot misery that the author, and those who concur, have to experience every day.

Today is a good day to put on some Buffett, have a margarita, and count your blessings with those you love.

Happy 4th!

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

Temperance just look up something on the leftwing blogs and found something, but did a wounderful job of “Spin”. Here is the document on “Coersive Techinques”.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pd…

The “chart” that is so terrible, shows the lies that the left is living on calling things “troture” which are not, and they cannot tell the difference:

1. Isolation
2. Monolopolization of Preception
3. Induced Debilitation and exhaustion
4. Threats
5. Occasional Indulgences
6. Demonstarting Ominpientence
7. Degradation
8. Enforcing Trivial Demands

You have to use all of these in concert, it is not a “palette” but a process. (Yes I read the paper). Infliction of real injury upsets the effect. As you can see there are no blow torches, electri drills, hot irons, smashing or severing of limbs, or pulling our of eyballs, and no suspending and whipping.

“Coersive Techinques” work on the mind and the level of exhaustion. Remember these guys are killers, most of those that are actually “tortured” in Al Quaedaland are “innocent”, these guys are far from that, and Coersive techniques are not torture, unpleasant, yes, but not physical and mental torture.

Read the document, people recover pretty quickly.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

It's amazing what vitriol a bit of critical thinking and thoughtful analysis such as this article can incite from the mouth-foamers on this board.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

I think the Juan Cole piece deserves to be posted in full—

Friday, July 04, 2008
Your Fourth of July and My Fourth of July
Your Fourth of July is blood for oil.

My Fourth of July is the pure sunbeam of peace.

Yours is the imperial presidency and “so what?” to public opinion.

Mine is “deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”

Yours is profiling and discrimination.

Mine is “all men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.”

Yours is “My country right or wrong.”

Mine is avoiding “Offences against the Law of Nations”

Yours is the veto of child health care and rejection of Kyoto,

Mine is an America that cares about the wellbeing of our children.

Yours is a monarchical presidency above the law.

Mine is, with Tom Paine, “in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other.”

Yours is aggressive invasions of countries that did not attack us first.

Mine is “and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.”

Yours is water-boarding and electrocution.

Mine is the prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment.

Yours is the stench of a million moldering corpses, military rule over 27 million, and the creation of oceans of misery.

Mine is “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

Yours is off-shore drilling, coddling polluters, 'heckuva job Brownie.'

Mine is a stewardship of America the beautiful for succeeding generations.

Yours is the privatization of war and the deployment of whole divisions of “contractors. . .”

Mine is an America where privates do not risk their lives for a tenth of what a mercenary is paid by the Pentagon.

Yours is the erection of protest zones as zoos for citizens.

Mine is, “or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Yours is the swagger of the flight jacket and the bombs raining down.

Mine is the schooling of the next global generation.

Mine is America, the pure sunbeam of peace.

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

“Mine is, with Tom Paine, “in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other.””

Does that include the compliance with immigration law, and environmental laws?

“Yours is off-shore drilling, coddling polluters, 'heckuva job Brownie.'

Mine is a stewardship of America the beautiful for succeeding generations.”

I M betting that when we are sitting around the fire without electric light, there will not be too many objections to off shore oil drilling, and that “Stewardship” means for the betterment for the next generations. Locking off resources is not proper stewardship, it ia arrogance.

Jaun Cole and Chris are wrong for AMerica on so many levels, and are nothing more than partisian hacks,period and end of story.

Filled with Hatred of Bush so bad, it is all they can think about.

the real question is:

“Who will you hate and blame when he is gone in January 2009?”

monkfellow (Anonymous) says…

I will be 60 years old this November. I grew up in the idyllic Baby Boomer time, and endured the 60s-and I mean endured the left-wingers and the merely bored at my school (not KU) occupy the President's office to force him to allow a school “strike” against the Vietnam War. He didn't , but those of us who were paying our way were looking at these spoiled brats being led around by the Bolsheviks who had been lurking around the various departments since the end of World War II, looking for an excuse to get another stab at a “workers' paradise” and the dream of gathering the proletariat in revolution,whatever all that meant. What that meant to my fellow student revolutionaries was that Mommy and Daddy,those capitalist pigs, had to send more money to pay for bail if the little darlings were arrested, and have the family lawyer ready to motor down from Chicago to get them out of that filthy jail.
Well, fast forward to 2008, and those street soldiers have been, for the most part, co-opted and got their homes, their big weddings, jobs, kids, crabgrass, and,horrors, they turned republican.
But not all..there are those, such as the columnist in today's paper,who are so full of self-hate, fear,self-loathing,and unidentified rage that they find a reason to strike out for any reason their childish impulse identifies. In this case, because so many people honor this day,and realize, for our faults, this is a great country, they are wrong, and I,the all-knowing writer, am correct,and I will shame you into my way of thinking.. But, you know what? He has failed, as do all leftists.They fail, because they constantly see a half-empty glass when those of us who succeed and prosper see the half-full glass.Human nature is such that survival requires initiative,to go beyond failINGS, not dwell on supposed failURES.
Finally, I consider myself an individual who pays attention to the world around him. I have a Master's degree, if that counts for being intellegent and perceptive.Mr. Satullo's world is not mine. There is no marshal law. There is no denying of liberties to those who obey our laws.Our friends are our friends and our enemies remain our enemies. Full, robust discussion continues unabated. The world revolves, and people continue coming to our shores to seek a better life. Look at the hundreds who have sworn allegience to this country by becoming citizens.Have swarms of Americans moved to France or Spain to do the same?
Are there issues that need to be resolved? I have already said, most assuredly, but Mr. Satullo is living in a dark, dangerous, paranoid world and country I do not recognize. Only one of us is correct. Whose world is that?
A meaningful Independence Day to you.

RobertMarble (Anonymous) says…

The socialism monkeys will eat this up.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

“Mr. Satullo is living in a dark, dangerous, paranoid world and country I do not recognize.”

Then I suggest you open your mind and your eyes, monkfellow.

mommaeffortx2 (Anonymous) says…

Happy 4th of July everyone. Go out and have fun enjoy the great day.

jonas (Anonymous) says…

“I have already said, most assuredly, but Mr. Satullo is living in a dark, dangerous, paranoid world and country I do not recognize. Only one of us is correct. Whose world is that?”

Maybe neither of you are correct, but merely see the world as you see it. I, of course, was not alive in the 50's or 60's, but I have a great deal of difficulty in believing the depth and type of the epithets that you stick around these years. Certainly I have heard alternative beliefs concerning them, as well. You should at least consider that your own personal beliefs, like those of the author's above, might color and distort your view of all of those things. Certainly you can't deny some of the facts of the above letter, and certainly you can't deny that the 50's were less than idyllic for some large segments of the population.

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

“Scott - many of us love this country and feel the far left is damaging to its future without being Bush supporters. Please use a smaller paintbrush . . .”

Hope that made you “feel” better, but you've ignored my request & that's clear for all to see. What is it that the author of the article got wrong? Are you saying we must all be supporters of a lying, criminal violator of the Constitution?

Asbestos: You own lying bastard President has acknowledged using waterboarding. The USA signed treaties and agreeing not to use this form of torture. Only a deluded few deny that simulated drowning is torture, even McCain once acknowledged this. You see the issue as a matter of degree (Mommy, mommy, so and so is doing way worse….) I think it disgusting that bush had the nation stoop to ANY level of torture. Of course others may do worse, but we should not be doing it at all.

Verity: Thank you. Your comments were not useless. It is heartening to see that there are intelligent folks willing to push back against the propagandists and appeasers.

To the 22%ers: A great man once said it best, “Blind faith in your leaders, or in anything, will get you killed.”

Happy 4th of July. Blindly look at only the good if you choose. You join the ranks of legions of fools when you do so. I prefer to see the wrongs that exist and try to improve upon them. Guess that is why I am progressive and you are conservative. You want the status quo & I want better.

XD40 (Anonymous) says…

What a load of traitorus, leftist crap. Try this iteration: dissent is the highest level of patriotism; treason is the highest level of dissent; therefore, traitors like Saltullo are the greatest patriots. That is truly what the leftists are saying.

God Bless America!

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

“Asbestos: You own lying bastard President has acknowledged using waterboarding.”

I personally do not think that waterboarding is torture. I stated so in many posts, so what did I lie about? My opinion was not a lie, don't you read, or **can** you read?

Your **opinion** may be that waterboarding is torture, but I believe if given the option to either be “waterboarded” where one will not die or be injured, and given a drill bit, hot iron, bow torch, or suspended and shipped, I would choose waterboarding.

Again, no physical damage, and as to the mental, sorry, if they weren't “bad guys” we would not have to do it.

Quite mising up and clouding the difference between “coercered interrogation” which is no pinic, and “torture”, which causes physical damage and injury which one does not recover from.

I disagree with John McCain on his take of “torture” vs. “coerced interrogation”. BTW Sen. McCain does support the “coerced interrogation” but not waterboarding.

As for you morons using the “To the 22%ers” that is old and not really a very good number or poll to throw around. Check the source you dummycrat, and you will see the source is biased as to the 22%. Do you even know where it came from?

“I think it disgusting that bush had the nation stoop to ANY level of torture.”

I would slam someone's fingers in a car door if they would tell me the whereabouts of the next terrorist attack. I would do it in a second, you wouyld equivicate and allow americans to be killed and assualted.

XD40 (Anonymous) says…

This is patriotism:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080704/wl_…
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzQ…
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?i…

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

Asb:

1. I didn't call you a liar. It is bush who is the liar.

2. Your personal opinion on whether waterboarding is torture is not really relevant. We have a treaty obligation to refrain from such practices. Also, if the practice is not torture, why did we prosecute Japense war criminals in the 1940's for using the technique?

So you'd slam someone's fingers in a car door in your wildly unlikely scenario. Guess that just means you'd be willing to violate the treaties we've signed. Should our enemies abide by such treaties? What about the Geneva Conventions, should we be restricted by them? More commie pinko crap, right?

If we are willing to take such acts, how are we different than the “terrorists?”

3. Sorry you do not like the shorthand method of referring to the shrinking number of American's who continue to support bush. You can quibble over the number if it makes you feel better. I myself prefer “worst President Ever!” and that has the advantage of not trying to peg the level of dissatisfaction as it moves lower and lower. Not a lot of great options, I agree. But 22%ers does more or less accurately describe where you stand amongst the population, so, until we hit the teens, I think that's what I'll use. But I promise to switch to teens just as soon as I can & am confident I will soon have the opportunity!

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

“What a load of traitorus, leftist crap. Try this iteration: dissent is the highest level of patriotism; treason is the highest level of dissent; therefore, traitors like Saltullo are the greatest patriots. That is truly what the leftists are saying.”

Please identify the “treason” in the article. Thank you.

temperance (Anonymous) says…

“Temperance just look up something on the leftwing blogs and found something,”

um, the torture article was the New York Times from two days ago. I'm just sayin' . . .

“22%er” might be old or whatever, but isn't “dummycrat” equally lame?

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

Wow, Nance, deal in reality much?

notnowdear (Anonymous) says…

Well done, Chris! But I notice, following rapid read, that you didn't complain about the anti-American Patriot Act. That act went totally against the ideals upon which this country was founded.

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

“Personally, I have not lost a minute of sleep worrying about how KSM was treated. However, I did lose quite a bit of sleep in the wake of 9/11 and am still quite angry about the fact that 3,000 Americans were murdered by true cowards.”

OK, then quite wrapping yourself in the flag. Admit that you do not wish to abide by the ideals and founding principles of this nation and then get on with your knuckle dragging, eye for an eye, ways.

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

“…why did we prosecute Japense war criminals in the 1940's for using the technique?”

We didn't prosecute any Japanese for “waterboarding” because even then they thought waterboarding was not torture.

“Sorry you do not like the shorthand method of referring to the shrinking number of American's who continue to support bush. ”

That would make “your side” with the majority of congress as “17%'ers”, then right? Even lower thatn the President you dispise? Yeah you guys are on really high moral ground on that one, rotflmfao!!!!! and you even quote : “But 22%ers does more or less accurately describe where you stand amongst the population, so, until we hit the teens, I think that's what I'll use.”

Well your idiots in majority in the Senate and House hare in the teens, and all they are good at is naming post offices.

“Well done, Chris! But I notice, following rapid read, that you didn't complain about the anti-American Patriot Act. That act went totally against the ideals upon which this country was founded.”

OK idiots, then why is Obaby then agreeing to the FISA that is **exactly like what the President did** but instead now gives the telecoms immunity.

“Admit that you do not wish to abide by the ideals and founding principles of this nation..”

Fine Scotty, then you need to admitt that you have no ideas on what this country was founded on , AND you have no idea how to protect it and preserve it.

IF the United States falls, there is no more freedom in the world. Simple as that.

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

In 1947, the United States prosecuted a Japanese military officer, Yukio Asano, for carrying out various acts of torture including kicking, clubbing, burning with cigarettes and using a form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian during World War II. Yukio Asano received a sentence of 15 years of hard labor.

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

RR:

Your ancestor may have been a true patriot, that doesn't mean that you are not an apologist for acts that are contrary to our nation's ideals.

Assbestos:

“IF the United States falls, there is no more freedom in the world. Simple as that.”

Silly. there was freedom before our country was founded and there will be even greater freedoms on this planet after the USA has finally disintegrated from corruption and the stupidity of its increasingly lazy citizens.

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

“It's amazing what vitriol a bit of critical thinking and thoughtful analysis such as this article can incite from the mouth-foamers on this board.”

It's amazing what vitriol that boohoozo can refer to as 'critical thinking.'

[sigh]

And I was so hopeful when I heard on the news yesterday that Bozo had joined the ranks of the dearly departed.

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

Nota:

And yet, not one of the 22%ers has made a cogent argument to counter the opinion expressed in the article. Lots of name calling, very little intellectual substance.

Speakout (Anonymous) says…

Hey Restore Reason, when exactly was the “Phillippines-American” (sic) war? Never heard of it.

Fatty_McButterpants (Anonymous) says…

Okay, I've got a simple question for those of you that advocate for, or stand silent about, the use of waterboarding as a valid method of interrogation.

Would you “stick to your guns” if your brother, sister, father, or mother were subjected to it? Would you tell them, “Look, you'll recover from it relatively quickly, so I don't see what you're making such a big fuss about”? Doubtful.

One more thing. If you dare to lie and respond by stating that you'd have no problem, please don't compare waterboarding to the torture methods inflicted by terrorists - justifying one person or groups illegal conduct with “well so-and-so is doing something even worse, so what we're doing is okay,” is moronic.

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

“And yet, not one of the 22%ers has made a cogent argument to counter the opinion expressed in the article. Lots of name calling, very little intellectual substance.”

That is because the 17%ers can't read a post in context, nor can they understand big words, nor do they know the difference between “coerced interrogatyion” vs. “torture”. Heck, I even produced pictures anc you still cannot follow. So your post is a lie Scotty baby.

Fatty mC idiot:

“Would you “stick to your guns” if your brother, sister, father, or mother were subjected to it? Would you tell them, “Look, you'll recover from it relatively quickly, so I don't see what you're making such a big fuss about”? Doubtful” If they did something to make the government go to such lengths then they screwed up[ and need to face the music.

It is also Moronic fatty mC idiot to NOT compare, I think a blow torch that our enemy is using is much didfferent than the other coerced methods such as sleep deprivations, isolation and cold temsp. Not a peep out of you idiots on that is there?

Your position is moronic.

To Speakout the P-A war was 189-1903

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

“The mighty Liberals of Lawrence” that have no clue about the world, and rarely leave Lawrence Kansas, should just shut up with their narrow vision of the world.

People out there want to kill us, and have wanted to kill us loonnnggg before Bush became president. After he leaves office, they will still want to kill AMericans, regardless of whether there is a D or an R in the big chair.

That is something that excapes you mental midgets.

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

” If they did something to make the government go to such lengths then they screwed up[ and need to face the music.”

How scary. Did the those who were blacklisted in the Red scare of the 1950's do something that made the government go to such lengths? What about Nixon's political opponents in the 1970? The victims of our CIA revealed during the Church investigation in the 1970's? The Quaker and anti-war groups spied upon illegally by the bush crime administration?

I posted it before & I'll state it again. Blind faith in your leaders, or in anything, will get you killed.

“People out there want to kill us, and have wanted to kill us loonnnggg before Bush became president. After he leaves office, they will still want to kill AMericans, regardless of whether there is a D or an R in the big chair.”

OK, so why is it only bush wants to curtail our Constitutional rights in order to “protect” us?

Also, why are these people so mad at us? Given that any thought?

Godot (Anonymous) says…

Someone from the JW called me the other day to ask why I cancelled my subscription. That the editorial staff would choose to run this editorial is a good example. I wouldn't even use it to line a bird cage.

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

What's the matter, Godot? Too painful to acknowledge the veracity of the author's point?

justfornow (Anonymous) says…

Just build the damn South Lawrence Bypass.

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

“Just build the damn South Lawrence Bypass.”

South of the river will be fine.

Newell_Post (Anonymous) says…

George Washington went to great lengths to prohibit his soldiers from torturing enemy prisoners. He prevailed and generally did a pretty good job of assuring our freedom and independence.

http://www.neverinournames.com/showDiary…

I'm pretty sure he would be horrified by the acts of our current George III.

toe (Anonymous) says…

What a load of crap.

Speakout (Anonymous) says…

Scott3460 said: “Also, why are these people so mad at us? Given that any thought?”

This is he crux of the matter. If we would leave our “good friend” and ally, Israel and stop arming them and permitting them to build more settlements on Palestinian territory, we may lose a lot of enemies. The whole world is against us because of that. Iran is no threat to us, but it is a threat to Israel and that is why we have to be against them. Israel has nukes, so what balances the middle east against them? No one, so Iran wants to play that role. If Israel destroys their nukes, there would be no need for Syria, Iran or anyone else to have them.

snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…

I will punish myself for the sins of the White Devils.