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Teens debate religious conservatism

By Xander Casad

January 8, 2008

Leaders of the Christian right play "on the personal and economic despair of, essentially, the American working class ... (and) promise a world of magic." These are the words of Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Chris Hedges, who argues that the political Christian right, called "Dominionism" as a political movement, shares basic ideological qualities with the fascist movements led by Benito Mussolini and Adolph Hitler. These basic qualities include the fundamental violence of the movement, the attack on critical discourse, the drawing of strength from social frustration and the conformity of members.

Though Dominionism may not lead to World War III, its imagery is suffused with violence: the "rapture" and "apocalypse," the sending of the good to heaven and the condemning of the evil to hell, the ultimate separation of "self" and "other." It is certainly easy, and tempting, to think in dichotomies such as these. White is white; black is black. Everything fits nicely into its box, no critical thinking required. Too bad reality is so often in grayscale or (gasp!) even in color.

This is not Christianity. This is not based in Scripture or tradition or ethical processing. America's leaders and prospective leaders have relinquished all claims to free will: "God and Pat Robertson and General Petraeus have a plan. There's nothing we can do." This mantra may be comforting to those who are grieving, or to those who have little to live for (or on) here on Earth, but it is not responsible government. Only the socially frustrated, huddled masses who are convinced that life on Earth is meaningless can be mentally conditioned into believing such propaganda.

The politicians who propagate it don't believe it. Campaigns are continually won and lost on such bizarre and peripheral issues as gay marriage and abortion rights, yet (and indeed) federal officeholders, as a rule, never really do anything about these issues. If they did, there would be no reason to re-elect them. Somehow, a public that has very wide-ranging opinions on economic and procedural issues has been unified by shared belief in two or three unrealizable goals. And the public is rewarded with just enough religious funding to keep hope alive. It is meaningless in terms of substantive change, but it is a good investment in party politics.

Democracy is based on a belief in relativism, a belief that everyone has a right to be heard. Dominionists want to silence the voice of their opposition and, because they refuse to believe in reality or logic, they refuse to consider that they might be wrong or engage in any rational debate of any sort, unraveling the very fabric of American democracy.

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8 January 2008
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SettingTheRecordStraight (Anonymous) says…

I'm convinced the Journal World only runs garbage like this to maintain traffic on its website.

Like a crazed man defacating on the sidewalk, Xander Casad seems incapable of comprehending the society that surrounds him. And nonsensical attributions like, “God and Pat Robertson and General Petraeus have a plan,” reveal how small his mind must really be.

Xander Casad and his ilk, not values voters, are the true representatives of the “unraveling the very fabric of American democracy.”
8 January 2008
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Ragingbear (Anonymous) says…

Christians are responsible for much in the way of misery and torment in this country, and many others. Here's an idea. Keep your nonsense about a 2000 year old carpenter to yourself and let us go on with our lives.
8 January 2008
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Newell_Post (Anonymous) says…

Good article! Elmer Gantry Goes to Washington.
8 January 2008
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

Actually the Christian right doesn't want you thinking. It's would be dangerous for their agenda.
8 January 2008
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Ceallach (Anonymous) says…

Democracy is based on a belief in relativism,
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Really? Relativism? Please provide more than just your statement about democracy's base.
8 January 2008
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Haiku_Cuckoo (Anonymous) says…

Let the bigoted comments commence!
8 January 2008
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

So, really, what's the difference between the two?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism

Agnostick
agnostick@excite.com
http://www.theocracywatch.org

8 January 2008
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

SettingTheRecordStraight (Anonymous) says:

I'm convinced the Journal World only runs garbage like this to maintain traffic on its website.
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Yes! And in a never-ending celebration of Irony… your ongoing presence here proves the validity of such a strategy… ;)

—Ag
8 January 2008
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bondmen (Anonymous) says…

“God? Wasn't he chased out of heaven by Marx, banished to the unconscious by Freud and announced by Nietzsche to be deceased? Did not Darwin drive him out of the empirical world? Well, not entirely. In a quiet revolution in thought and arguments that hardly anyone could have foreseen only two decades ago, God is making a comeback. Most intriguingly, this is happening not among theologians or ordinary believers … but in the crisp, intellectual circles of academic philosophers, where the consensus had long banished the Almighty from fruitful discourse. Now it is more respectable among philosophers than it has been for a generation to talk about the possibility of God's existence.”
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/philos…
8 January 2008
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Summers_Eve: Does this mean you'll also cancel your user account on these boards?

Or will you just post here under a new/different username? ;)

Personally, I don't think bigotry is “confined” to anybody. Bigotry is rooted in extremist thinking, and that kind of extremism can be found on the fringes of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, even Atheism!

A more interesting question would be, “Is 'Dominionism' an authentic movement, embraced by the majority of Christians, in many or all of the various Christian denominations?”

—Ag
8 January 2008
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

scenebooster is right… here's the other side of the debate:

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/jan…
8 January 2008
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ndmoderate (Anonymous) says…

“Christian right agenda requires no critical thinking”

Thank you, Captain Obvious!
8 January 2008
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monkeyspunk (Anonymous) says…

“Campaigns are continually won and lost on such bizarre and peripheral issues as gay marriage and abortion rights, yet (and indeed) federal officeholders, as a rule, never really do anything about these issues. If they did, there would be no reason to re-elect them.”

Winner winner chicken dinner. Nothing frustrates me more than seeing my party concentrate on nonissues that have never and will never affect me. Fix the real problems, then you can play your parlor games. I do blame the religious right for this failure in governance.
8 January 2008
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Logan5 (Anonymous) says…

Great post Americorps! It is about time the “Moral Majority” did some thinking of their own.
8 January 2008
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SettingTheRecordStraight (Anonymous) says…

“Christians are responsible for much in the way of misery and torment in this country, and many others”

“Actually the Christian right doesn't want you thinking.”

“This has to do with an elite group of hate-filled false Christians who have an agenda to consume and control the world.”

As a Christian and as a conservative, I have to ask these posters, do you want to win the thought debate? Do you actually want to beat us at the polls? If you do, fine. But you absolutely must do a better job of informing your views. These comments make it clear that you do not have a firm understanding of your opposition. Therefore, in a way, I cheer when I read your comments. You cannot beat me unless you understand me.

8 January 2008
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Haiku_Cuckoo (Anonymous) says…

As a Christian, I agree with the article totally.
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No need to call me a liar. I agree with the article also. I simply stated that it was likely to draw some bigoted comments.
8 January 2008
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booklover (Anonymous) says…

Setting the Record… and everyone else slamming this “Kid” for his views. You DID notice that both articles were written by TEENS right. We're talking boys in highschool. Why hate on them. They are paying attention to the world around them and learning about the issues and finding their respective places in the world. Why slam that? Does it make you feel that much better about yourself? Are you that low? Man up and give these young people the credit they deserve for looking beyond their world of homework, chores, dates and sports Aren't you the very people whining about what the youth of today are doing? Whining about how they should get a grip, face reality, learn to live in the real world?
What more do you want?
8 January 2008
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staff04 (Anonymous) says…

“Do you actually want to beat us at the polls?”

Ummm…why do you think abortion and the practice of homosexuality are legal? It certainly isn't because you've been beating them at the polls…
8 January 2008
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HodgePodge (Erin Parmelee) says…

If you haven't seen it yet, rent “Jesus Camp.”
8 January 2008
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

PWNED!
8 January 2008
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staff04 (Anonymous) says…

My favorite part of “Jesus Camp” is when Ted Haggard leans into the camera and says, “I know what you do at night!”
8 January 2008
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gayokay (Anonymous) says…

Critical thought is considered blasphemy. Dare not speak out for fear that you be cast into the lake of fire. Don't question, an open mind is the devil's playground.

Political candidates are certainly aware of this phenom. Bush got elected twice running on this. What did he really accomplish for the right wing? Now the American public is getting wise to the right wing. Our country is not a theocracy nor will it ever be.
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RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says…

Yep, Jesus camp pretty much sums it up. And that woman leading the camp still doesn't believe that the film portrayed them negatively. Or maybe she's just making sure that all of her followers (who may have seen the film and become upset by its portrayal of them) continue thinking what she wants them to think. Onward Christian warriors!

8 January 2008
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HodgePodge (Erin Parmelee) says…

RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says:

Yep, Jesus camp pretty much sums it up. And that woman leading the camp still doesn't believe that the film portrayed them negatively. Or maybe she's just making sure that all of her followers (who may have seen the film and become upset by its portrayal of them) continue thinking what she wants them to think. Onward Christian warriors!
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Actually, I don't think it portrayed them negatively. Just accurately. The film makers certainly didn't ask them to do or say any of the things the film shows—so if they felt it was “negative” it must only be because it looks so ridiculous when it's all compiled like that. I just felt so awful seeing these poor 7,8,9 year old children being told they are hypocrites, made to cry, when they are still to young to even try to forumlate their own beliefs about God and the world around them.
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gayokay (Anonymous) says…

We are using our young as an expendable resource fighting radical Islam. We should put a fraction of our resources toward fighting radical Christianity. Unless we put a stop to Dominionism as mentioned in the article we will have an American taliban of our own making.
8 January 2008
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Keith (Anonymous) says…

The headline for this column sets up the premise, and the body of the opposing column is used as the proof.
8 January 2008
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HodgePodge (Erin Parmelee) says…

gayokay (Anonymous) says:

We are using our young as an expendable resource fighting radical Islam. We should put a fraction of our resources toward fighting radical Christianity. Unless we put a stop to Dominionism as mentioned in the article we will have an American taliban of our own making.
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Okay, you *have* to see the Jesus Camp film. That's exactly what the “minister” says. She says that children in the Middle East are taught to die in the name of Islam, and we should be teaching our children to die in the name of Jesus. I'm completely serious.
8 January 2008
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bd (Anonymous) says…

intellectual fodder!
8 January 2008
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pace (Anonymous) says…

Calling any person a bigot that might agree with some of the ideas is part of a big problem. knee jerk name calling instead of discussion is emotion not thought.
8 January 2008
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Haiku_Cuckoo (Anonymous) says…

I have no desire to see “Jesus Camp.” From what I've seen, it looks like a 90 minute Jerry Springer episode. I don't need a film to tell me that fundamentalist nutjobs exist. I know they're out there, I just don't want to give them any more of my time.
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Finding_Uranus (Anonymous) says…

***These basic qualities include the fundamental violence of the movement, the attack on critical discourse, the drawing of strength from social frustration and the conformity of members.***

If I only read this statement, I would guess the author was speaking of the fringe left-wing people on the worldwide web and the extremist left leaders who they bow to.

8 January 2008
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Bitterfalls (Anonymous) says…

Does every Gay person practice homosexuality? At what point is practice over and it is time to go professional?

Practice makes perfect.

And does going pro mean just being “party buddies” with Ted Haggard?

It is very telling that so many of the most activist Christian moral right politicians end up in Gay sex scandals. One study after another has shown that the more homophobic, or at least anti-Gay someone is, the more likely they are to also be deeply closeted homosexuals.

That being the case, then what does that mean for the avid supporters and defenders of the religious right? And why does the Gay populace not embrace these lonely hurting souls?

How does Ann Coulter propose to cure Jews?
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gayokay (Anonymous) says…

Some good questions bitterfalls,

It would be easier to forgive the Ted Hagards and Senater Craigs of the world if they were contrite. They aren't though. They can literally get caught with their pants down and a zuchini where the sun don't shine and they claim they aren't gay. Like you said, maybe they were just practicing homosexuality until the day that they are more proficient.

Ted will be on the down low (sorry) until he returns to public life as a “cured” former gay. He will open a rehab center for godless gay people trapped in the snare of sin.

Of course, if you put a penis-meter on him he would still be aroused by man on man action. Reparitive therapy is an invention of the radical right wing to sell books, tapes, seminars and justify discrimination at the same time. Mega bucks tax free.
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Bitterfalls (Anonymous) says…

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Bitterfalls (Anonymous) says:

Does every Gay person practice homosexuality?
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I no longer need to practice. I can now do it perfectly.
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It takes courage, honesty, integrity and good fashion sense to come out of the closet and be an openly Gay person.

Those are characteristics that Ted Haggard, Sen. Larry Craig and many conservatives do not possess.

That also speaks volumes about the people that continually support such 'wide-stance' politicians based on their “Moral values”.
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biblebeater22 (Anonymous) says…

Though Dominionism may not lead to World War III, its imagery is suffused with violence: the “rapture” and “apocalypse,” the sending of the good to heaven and the condemning of the evil to hell, the ultimate separation of “self” and “other.” It is certainly easy, and tempting, to think in dichotomies such as these. White is white; black is black…This is not Christianity. This is not based in Scripture or tradition or ethical processing.
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While the “Christian right” holds many views that are contrary to the Bible, this example is not one of them. His premise that reality is more gray than it is black or white, is pretty much the antithesis of what Jesus taught. He taught that there were sheep and goats, wheat and chaff, just and unjust, righteous and unrighteous. He also said that these two distinct groups of people would be separated on a day of judgment based upon their life on this earth. Not only is it based on scripture, it's everywhere in scripture.

It's easy for us as humans to think that truth is relative, that we can just believe whatever we want and live however we want and we will be just fine. And while on this earth, indeed, it might seem just fine. But on the day you stand before the God of Truth, it's going to seem a little more….black and white.
8 January 2008
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thatkidfromschool (Anonymous) says…

Hey, Xander, guess what:
My family is Christian.
We read the Bible.
Oh, you're never gonna believe this one:
We're not facist.

What you seem to be doing is lumping all Christians (and whatever other Christian sects want to be put under that umbrella, if you will) into the Dominionist party, and labeling them facist.
I don't know how you got to the comparison of Christians to Hitler, especially with these figures:
Adolf Hitler—murderer of at least 6 million Jews, and the once-dictator of Germany.
Christians—currently the most persecuted and martyred faith in the world.
“…because they refuse to believe in reality or logic, they refuse to consider that they might be wrong or engage in any rational debate of any sort…”
Sounds to me like that's what you're doing right here. I do believe we call that irony, much like I call this sarcasm.
I'm sorry to say, but you are indeed wrong.
Not all Christians are facists, and if you say we are, then you yourself must be a facist.
How on earth did I come up with such a statement?!
Oh, right. All Christians are facist, according to you.
Whoops, was that more irony?? o.o
Seriously, even a monkey can point fingers, name-call, and blow off steam.
It could probably write a better argument, too, because all I see in this one is “rant, rant, rant”, and no questions for an intelligent discussion.

Don't quit your day job, Commander Xander.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Participation in any religion requires the suspensioin of critical judgement and substitution of that most of irrational thought processes, “faith”.

“Faith” being a completly unfounded, irrational and emotional belief in unseen things; a very solid foundation on which to guide one's life.

Yeah, right.
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Keith (Anonymous) says…

biblebeater22,

On the day of judgement, you should hope the Flying Spaghetti Monster (*pbhn) flings his Marinara sauce on you.

*pasta be his name
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

biblebeater22
A prime example of what is wrong with christian biblebeaters. A bunch of mindless true believers. Facts and reality be damned. That figment of your reality said it was so, therefore it is.

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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

further true christians do not allow critical thinking. their so-called god won't accept it. beginning to understand why Romans fed them to lions.
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RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says…

HodgePodge (Erin Parmelee) says:

RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says:

Yep, Jesus camp pretty much sums it up. And that woman leading the camp still doesn't believe that the film portrayed them negatively. Or maybe she's just making sure that all of her followers (who may have seen the film and become upset by its portrayal of them) continue thinking what she wants them to think. Onward Christian warriors!
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Actually, I don't think it portrayed them negatively. Just accurately. The film makers certainly didn't ask them to do or say any of the things the film shows-so if they felt it was “negative” it must only be because it looks so ridiculous when it's all compiled like that. I just felt so awful seeing these poor 7,8,9 year old children being told they are hypocrites, made to cry, when they are still to young to even try to forumlate their own beliefs about God and the world around them.
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Perhaps Jesus camp was done from an objective point of view, but from my subjective point of view, the cinematography sometimes seemed somewhat nonobjective. I, for one, thought it did portray it in a negative light, but I guess we aren't here to debate film. And, yes, I completely disagree with the woman's methods. It's like she hands those children a plate of cookies everyday laced with “what to think”. Brainwashing and indoctrination is all it is.
8 January 2008
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kugrad (Anonymous) says…

Ohh, High School Kid slaps down right-wing christianists with a schorching rebuttal of their dominionism. Weak counterattacks flood in from those whose nerves were hit by the articulate kid.

Score: High School Kid 1, regular LJW posting rightwingkneejerks, ZERO
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…

Take your Faith based hate and go F– yourself

6000 years ago God created idiots.

Support our troops send them your SUV.

Pro who's life?

Jesus was a Hebrew Buddhist.

Americans for Democrats that aren't P@$$ys.

If the old testament guides you, go Jewish.

Kansas:
concealed weapons OK
Science optional
God mandatory

These colors don't run
(picture of flag)
unless there is a category 5 hurricane

Just a few tee-shirt ideas I have been kicking around. If you have input or art work ideas let me know.
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gayokay (Anonymous) says…

Remember Chris Crocker? The “leave Britney Spears alone” dude?

He really ought to make another clip only weeping and hysterically screeching “you leave Jesus alone! He's not well. You people are lucky he even performs for you!”
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labmonkey (Anonymous) says…

“Political candidates are certainly aware of this phenom. Bush got elected twice running on this. What did he really accomplish for the right wing? Now the American public is getting wise to the right wing. Our country is not a theocracy nor will it ever be.”

George W. Bush did not win in 2004, John Kerry lost. Maybe Democrats should quit blaming Christian fundamentalists when the Republicans put idiots out there like Bush and actually put a candidate out there that 59 million people out there aren't disgusted by. I have been a lifelong Republican and hate to admit that I would have actually voted for Bill Clinton over W in the last election. A majority of the people thought a right-wing nutjob was less dangerous than the left-wing nutjob, and I agree with them.

I am sick of the what the Religious Right (do they deserve to be capitalized?) has done
to my party. I am still bitter about the hatchet job Kansans for Life did on Knight against Shallenberger (which allowed Sebilius to become elected). Yes I am pro-life, but I hate an organization that sends out flyers telling people who to vote for knowing these people take them into the poll with them and vote straight down their list. Now my fear is that the Republicans will nominate Huckabee or Romney instead of the best candidate in McCain (who the Religious Right seem to despise).

Now to put the shoe on the other foot….the left are very guilty of doing what they accuse the right of doing. They call people on the right closed minded when in fact, they are the most closed minded people on the planet. They state their views and tell people that if you dont agree with them, you are closed-minded and ignorant. A good example of the is the issue of man-made global warming. Yes, global warming is happening but contrary to what Al Gore tells us, it is very much in the air whether man has any cause in it or if it is just a natural cycle as much primary literature and history suggests….yet the left takes it as fact based on faith that it is man made. I do agree we need to take some of the same steps they suggest to rid our dependance on oil…but I hate having their dogma shoved in my face. Also….with the advent of video teleconferencing, why the hell have a conference in Bali putting many tons of carbon in the air while telling us to use one sheet of toilet paper? I mean, isn't that like Ted Haggard and Sen. Craig having an anti-gay conference in a Turkish bath? I figure the inventer of the internet would use his invention for good.
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Bitterfalls (Anonymous) says…

Christians never killed 6 millions jews. Hitler and his nazi pogrom only put a bucket of sand on the beach of the millions and millions of people killed in the name of jesus and christianity.

“Don't pray in our schools, and we won't think in your churches”
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

“Yes, global warming is happening but contrary to what Al Gore tells us, it is very much in the air whether man has any cause in it or if it is just a natural cycle as much primary literature and history suggests:.yet the left takes it as fact based on faith that it is man made. ”

No, it is you who takes your position on faith. The data and the interpretation of that data by nearly 100% of all climate scientists say that human-induced global warming is an almost 100% certainty. But because of your faith (ideologically based?) you'd rather do nothing because of the less than 1% chance that it's not happening.

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janeyb (Anonymous) says…

I felt Jesus Camp was just ninety minutes of child abuse.

The part where they put the lifesize cardboard George Bush in front of the kids and made them pray to him did have a Hitleresque quality about it. Did you notice the homeschool parents didn't have their kid's picture on the refrigerator, but George Bush with an American flag in the background?

“Keep your nonsense about a 2000 year old carpenter to yourself and let us go on with our lives.”

Jesus did work miracles. He managed to make a living as a carpenter in a county without trees. I guess he would wiggle his nose, conjure up an tree and get to work.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…

Why can't you just admit you made a horrible mistake voting for a guy who could not even run a company that his daddy gave him?
If you voted for him a second time then there is no excuse for you. You voted against my Child's future and I will never forgive you for that. You circumvented critical judgment because you want religion in the supreme court. You sh@t all over my Daughters future because unborn crack babies don't have a voice.
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JJE007 (Anonymous) says…

Gosh is love, y'all and Santa is a schtick. Put down your weapons and come out singing.
I'll begin…
Love, exciting and new
Come aboard, we're expecting you
Love, life's sweetest reward
Let it flow, it floats back to you
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And love won't hurt anymore
It's an open smile on a friendly shore
It's love
Welcome aboard
It's love!
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gayokay (Anonymous) says…

Yeah, well my God can beat up your Ga-wa-da.
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chell (Anonymous) says…

If anything, this board proves that a hope for rational solutions died long ago. On the next presidential ballot I'm putting down a write-in vote for Jesus of Nazareth.

Seriously though, I have no issue with the Christian right except for their primary hypocrisy: They are far to accepting of the excesses of Wealth of Nations-style capitalism. Adam Smith said in so many words that greed is what fuels a pure capitalist system, and that is directly against the teachings of Jesus. /rant off
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chell (Anonymous) says…

*too

Why the heck can't we edit our posts?
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Logan5 (Anonymous) says…

Hey max1,

Did you check out logrithmic's post?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news…

Apparently the current administration is making some serious progress toward bringing Armageddon about even sooner than we think.
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nzsoccer726 (Anonymous) says…

As a student of LHS, I just have to respond to a couple things that Thatkidfromschool said.

“Christians-currently the most persecuted and martyred faith in the world.”

What about the Jews? You can go from Egypt to the racism against Jewish immigrants in America to the Holocaust and one of the most common themes is persecution of Jews BY Christians.

“Not all Christians are facists, and if you say we are, then you yourself must be a facist.”

And not one time does Xander Casad say that all Christians are facists. He says “argues that the political Christian right, called “Dominionism” as a political movement, shares basic ideological qualities with the fascist movements led by Benito Mussolini and Adolph Hitler.” He is talking about the christian right movement which is in and of itself and extremist christian branch and in no way reflects ALL christians.

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labmonkey (Anonymous) says…

Bozo-

Have you read any primary literature on global warming? You say that 100% of scientists believe in man-made global warming because Al Gore or your favorite pop-star tells you that. Read some scientific literature and history and then make an informed decision or non-decision.