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Orange Bowl travel costs for KU: $2M

More than 500 people went to south Florida with Jayhawk group

February 20, 2008

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When Kansas University's charter plane landed at Forbes Field after the Jan. 3 Orange Bowl, Jayhawk fans didn't so much see football players walk off as much as they saw ordinary people.

Lots of people. And all those people cost a lot of money to fly and put up in hotels. In fact, the total cost for KU to go to the Orange Bowl was about $2 million, according to figures released this week by KU as a result of a Lawrence Journal-World/6News Freedom of Information request.

About $1 million was for team travel, food, equipment and supplies. Another $300,000 was spent on athletic staff travel and food, and $350,000 was spent on the band and cheerleaders.

"It was a special moment in Kansas athletics history, and we wanted to share it with as many people as we could," said Jim Marchiony, associate athletic director.

Among those in the official party:

¢ Gov. Kathleen Sebelius and her family. Sebelius also brought as her guest Larry Gates and his wife. Gates is Kansas Democratic Party chairman.

¢ KU Chancellor Robert Hemenway and his family.

¢ Provost Richard Lariviere and his wife.

¢ Members of the Kansas Board of Regents, deans and their spouses, professors, other coaches and the majority of athletic department staffers, as well as children of anyone who wanted to bring them.

All told, more than 500 people, including players and coaches but not band members or cheerleaders, were part of KU's official Orange Bowl travel party, though cheerleader and band travel was covered as well.

"The plane fare was picked up for everyone," Marchiony said. "If extra hotel rooms were involved, they paid for those."

The athletic department also provided per diem money for some athletic department staffers. Per diem varied from two to 10 days.

The costs, though, did not come out of the athletic department's general budget. KU is expecting to make $2.1 million from its trip to the Orange Bowl, including a $1.7 million travel allowance from the Big 12 and about $400,000 from ticket sales.

Other universities' expenses

Bringing extra people to prestigious bowl games is not unusual, but KU's official travel party was larger than most.

The University of Illinois, which will have spent more than $2.1 million on travel to the Rose Bowl when all is said and done, invited its president and the university board of trustees to fly along as part of the official travel party.

"Anybody who was on the official travel party was allowed to bring spouses and children," said Illinois assistant athletic director Kent Brown.

Brown said the $2.1 million, which comes out of the $4.5 million the Rose Bowl pays to any school from a conference that sends two teams to a BCS bowl, probably wouldn't cover all expenses for the team, band and administrators, and the balance would come out of Illinois' share of the remaining $2.4 million.

In most athletic conferences, bowl payouts are split among all members, once expenses are deducted.

Derek Inouchi, media relations director at the University of Hawaii, said the team's official party for the Sugar Bowl spent about $2 million on travel. In addition to the team and department leaders, the school's chancellor, faculty athletic representative and members of the board of regents also attended.

"We did pay for the spouse of the chancellor as well as some of the regents," he said.

Virginia Tech's expenses

Virginia Tech, KU's opponent in the Orange Bowl, spent more modestly than some of the other participants in BCS bowl games. Randy Butt, associate athletic director for finance, said the total for travel was about $1.3 million.

In addition to the team, the band and department administrators, "we paid for a select few members of the university administration," Butt said. "The president, the executive vice president, basically the top five administrators, their assistant and their spouses."

Butt said Virginia Tech does not pay for children to travel with their parents.

Comments

biggunz 6 years, 1 month ago

some people just want to complain. losers.

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Noweigh 6 years, 1 month ago

KU 12-1, Orange Bowl champs, season-long, national exposure for the entire university that other schools would kill for and extra revenue on top of it all. Yep, that stinks...let's go back to the good 'ol days of being 2-9, empty seats and a program that lost big money every year. What a bunch of crybabies!

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 6 years, 1 month ago

Could we have spend more frugaly? Yes. Was this bad for the university? No.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 1 month ago

"Remember Terry Allen? " Riverdrifter

Exactly.

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riverdrifter 6 years, 1 month ago

I agree, TOB. I hope we go to a good bowl every year. And people can gripe agin' it every year if they want. Remember Terry Allen? Some people would complain if you hung them with a new rope -and put a thousand dollars in their pocket.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 1 month ago

First off, I'm not an East Coast Lew fan. But, goodness. Look at the bigger picture with this.

$2 million for 5 hours of primetime national tv coverage on a major channel. Not to mention all the assorted news coverage surrounding the game. This is a cheap cheap cheap marketing tool for KU. Not just the football team, the whole university.

The wealthy folks that got to go on KU's dime are huge donors. They paid for this trip many times over throughout the years. These folks didn't go for free.

Would I have like to have gone to the Orange Bowl and watch the game from a fancy suite? Yep. However, I realize that I have no reason to expect that. These rich JOCO folks, say what you will about them (ahem, wine and cheese fans), coughed up serious dough over the years.

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purplesage 6 years, 1 month ago

When I look at ticket prices, I decide they are too high to take my family to see a game. How much does a bottle of water cost at a football game now? Back before the renovations at Memorial Stadium, where I never did find a water fountain, I want to say it was $4. Even if that is wrong, I know it was very high.

I find the success of KU athletic teams to be positive and enjoyable. This kind of news is a real spoiler. A bunch of big wigs and their relatives attend bowl games that are way out of reach of the average fan - and the public institution spends two million dollars on it. Don't play the game of it just came out of the proceeds. If they hadn't spent the proceeds on a few, there would be more for other things - like lower ticket prices, lower parking prices, etc. etc. Obscene.

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konzahawk 6 years, 1 month ago

Is it lounger or loser? I get sick and tired of all of you people complaining about how much it costs to attend KU. Have you looked at KU's tuition compared to its peers? We are dirt cheap. You are getting an AAU education at a fraction of the cost. If this upsets you so much go to KSCAAS, Emporia or Fort Hays.

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lounger 6 years, 1 month ago

What a waste! I agree with some posts here that the money could have went to students who need it for school!!

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ksufan_16 6 years, 1 month ago

Whatever. Good for them. Just remember this when KSU does something like it and people make an even bigger deal out of it.

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deskboy04 6 years, 1 month ago

I wish that I was governor. I'd go to all of the games. I'd have a great seat at the basketball games and football games.

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Gootsie 6 years, 1 month ago

I think the Orange Bowl celebration will be March 8 at Allen Fieldhouse, beginning at 7:30p.

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lionbacker 6 years, 1 month ago

You people are so pathetic, it was a great year, I bet you were not bent out of shape at the cost of each final four trip including the early rounds of March Madness. Let it go.

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Larry Bauerle 6 years, 1 month ago

It's nice that all the world's problems have been solved today so the Journal World can make this the lead article. I'm sure the goal was to create controversy where there basically is none.

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justtired 6 years, 1 month ago

i understand the university officials, but the entire board of regents, their spouses and children? i am not jealous, just wondering if i can carry luggage and get my trip paid for!

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mamajay 6 years, 1 month ago

so football is big business wow breaking news... it was good for KU... some people got a free trip yadda, yadda, yadda what goes on is peanuts compared to stuff elsewhere.. and football money will never be spent for other things ...get real this America where we pay people millions to play football,etc. but nothing to protect us or teach our children...

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Shardwurm 6 years, 1 month ago

Tuition will go up 6 percent next year.

When is it going to end?

When are we going to stop putting our educated young middle-class kids into long-term debt? Most are graduating with student loans amounting to a home mortgage.

It's tough to read an article about $2 million in expenditures when we're paying $900 for a 3 hour class taught by a grad student.

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just_another_ninja 6 years, 1 month ago

Spend it like you make it!

Seems to be the good ol' American way. Recruiting should be good this year!!!

btw... when it that orange bowl celebration at AF going down? I'm not going because it's retarded to not have it downtown, but alas... I've forgotten the date.

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Clickker 6 years, 1 month ago

Every dollar we spent to take someone like the Assistant Art Dept Dean and his partner only cost us 8.33 cents since we split the pot AFTER expenses. Sounds like a good deal and a good time was had by all. Stupid to compare us with a team like Va Tech since they have gone to about 20 straight bowl games. My only question is why wasnt long time football volunteers like David Lawrence, Rod Garvin ( sticks), and Rex Porters (sticks) included? Probably should have been.

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biggunz 6 years, 1 month ago

"KU went to the Rose Bowl and won. Kwichyabichin."

And here all this time I thought they went to the Orange Bowl.

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Gootsie 6 years, 1 month ago

"The costs, though, did not come out of the athletic department's general budget. KU is expecting to make $2.1 million from its trip to the Orange Bowl, including a $1.7 million travel allowance from the Big 12 and about $400,000 from ticket sales."

The Big 12 gave them $1.7 M for travel and $400K in ticket sales. That means they made $2.1 million.

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plumberscrack 6 years, 1 month ago

deskboy04 says:

Ms. Sebelius is opposed to coal plants that release carbon dioxide. +++++++++++++++++++++

That's why she is the Gov. and your just a deskboy!

AHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAAA......roflmao

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BABBOY 6 years, 1 month ago

This newspaper is a joke. I am surpised abortion or evolution or some other issue was not worked into the story which somehow makes into the paper every other day.

I dispute the figures alleged to have been brought in by the Orange bowl and think the school made more money then that. But, whatever, this was a huge deal for KU and it needed to be capitalized upon. Small people do not see the big picture. Maybe they like going to bowl games every third year and like going to BCS type bowl game every 40 years.

A good football program that gets on TV all the time and to big games will make more money then basketball, but whatever

If simpletons do not understand how much money a good football team can bring in, then I suggest you go look at K-State campus and count the new building or projects paid for by the Snyder programs...

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notajayhawk 6 years, 1 month ago

redmoonrising (Anonymous) says:

"On last comment. I suppose we should all be grateful that we came out in the black. It was close. All that and KU comes out ahead by a whopping $100,000. Wonder if that stays with KU or is split amongst the Big 12."

Maybe I'm not reading the story correctly, but it looks like the athletic department came up $2.1 million ahead, and the University itself came out $2 million in the hole. Or in other words, funds that could have been used for education were used so some VIPs could go watch the football team make money.

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Gootsie 6 years, 1 month ago

ditto Craigers.

Do you know what a great recruiting tool it will be for the marching band to have a football team that will go to bowl games? It may have been cool in Miami, but that band was AWESOME down there. Definitely the 12th man in this year's Orange Bowl game. Perhaps one was whiny, but I'm guessing the other 199 (or however many) weren't so put out!

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Crossfire 6 years, 1 month ago

KU went to the Rose Bowl and won. Kwichyabichin.

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 1 month ago

Futbol be berry, berry gud to some people.

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bd 6 years, 1 month ago

What a bunch of jealous crybabys!

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craigers 6 years, 1 month ago

Let them enjoy the great season. Like stated above, it was a great season and they wanted to share the fun.

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Gootsie 6 years, 1 month ago

That's our redmoonrising...

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graylanternlizard 6 years, 1 month ago

The whole thing is sad and pathetic.

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Reid Hollander 6 years, 1 month ago

Redmoonrising -

I think your memory is failing, the 747 didn't enter service until 1970 and even then it was only for the Pan Am New York to Paris route. Besides it has a capacity of many more than 200.

I am not sure about all the "VIP's" but as a member of KU Cheer I think the the band and cheerleaders deserved to go. Both groups put in a lot of work to represent the school all year.

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otto 6 years, 1 month ago

My question is - The people that received plane rides, hotel rooms, meals etc... do they have to show this as income on their personal taxes? I believe they would. Doubt they are though. I say the IRS should investigate or maybe just the LJW. They are probably close to one and same as for as investigative work goes.

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akt2 6 years, 1 month ago

I agree with nobody1793, so what. And for the record this trip was obligatory for many. One of the band members told me that it was a crappy trip. They said it was cool and it rained. The plane trip was cramped and stinky. Everything was overpriced, and the people in Florida were rude. So a good time was not had by all. It was made out of obligation to the school.

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Pudgy1 6 years, 1 month ago

Lew Perkins sat in the Gatorade luxury box because Lew is on the Board of Directors for Gatorade.

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nobody1793 6 years, 1 month ago

So what. It's not like we go to an orange bowl every year...yet. Might as well enjoy it. Better than the Governor spending state money to go to the game.

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cowboy 6 years, 1 month ago

what a waste of funds , could have endowed a number of scholarships , and by the way who paid for Lew's trip to the super bowl , sitting in Gatorades luxury box with the creep formerly known as King Carl ?

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redmoonrising 6 years, 1 month ago

On last comment. I suppose we should all be grateful that we came out in the black. It was close. All that and KU comes out ahead by a whopping $100,000. Wonder if that stays with KU or is split amongst the Big 12.

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redmoonrising 6 years, 1 month ago

I went to the '69 Orange Bowl as a spouse. Luxury hotel on the beach with great dining, all three meals each day and all we wanted from the hotel sandwich shop included, menu ordering. Free travel and transportation of course. along with game tickets. I'm assuming the luncheon at the Fountain Bleu, dinner for both teams as a posh country club, visit to the set of the Jackie Gleason show, deep sea fishing for the guys and a tour of Miami's canals on houseboats for the wives were gratis. We filled a 747 with a capacity of 200. So why is this a surprise? But I don't remember the governor nor the leader of his party and spouses being along., Maybe just memory serves me poorly but that one surprises me,. I have always said that if we spent as much on academics as sports, what a powerful university we, and all others. could be.

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deskboy04 6 years, 1 month ago

Ms. Sebelius is opposed to coal plants that release carbon dioxide.

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grimpeur 6 years, 1 month ago

A clarification, please!

"The costs, though, did not come out of the athletic department's general budget. KU is expecting to make $2.1 million from its trip to the Orange Bowl, including a $1.7 million travel allowance from the Big 12 and about $400,000 from ticket sales."

"KU" will make $2M?

Or KUAI will make $2M?

KU is not the same thing as the "athletic department." In fact, KU no longer has an athletic department. At least not for football.

KU and KUAI are two separate corporations. That way, sports control the money, instead of the university.

Yes, it's wrong and bassackward, but watta ya gonna do? Anyway, these important distinctions must be made explicit.

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