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Israel’s bombing ravages Gaza Strip

3-day strike has killed civilians, caused outages and food crisis

December 30, 2008

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— Israel’s three-day aerial bombardment of the Gaza Strip has killed dozens of civilians, along with Hamas fighters, and has paralyzed life in a territory already battered by blackouts and supply shortages during 18 months of border closures.

Israel has stressed that most of the deaths and injuries were Hamas fighters and says it’s careful to avoid harm to bystanders. But the nonstop attacks have caused widespread power outages, terrified residents and left aid agencies unable to feed thousands of needy people.

By Monday, the death toll rose to 364, with some 1,400 reported wounded, according to Palestinian medical officials.

The United Nations reported that at least 62 of the dead were women and children, and medics said eight children under the age of 17 were killed in overnight strikes.

Israel launched its campaign, the deadliest against Palestinians in decades, on Saturday in retaliation for rocket fire aimed at civilians in southern Israeli towns.

Israel, which has also allowed limited humanitarian supplies into the territory, is attacking Hamas-run organizations, homes of activists and security posts — all scattered in densely populated areas. Gazans say most strikes come without warning.

However, Israeli forces offered a general warning by dropping leaflets and recording brief announcements that interrupt radio broadcasts. They also reached other homes by telephone, telling Gaza residents to flee their homes if they were hiding weapons or militants.

“Civilian casualties are almost impossible to avoid, and that’s particularly true when so many locations are being targeted,” said U.N. humanitarian chief John Holmes.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon again condemned what he called Israel’s excessive use of force and urged an immediate cease-fire.

Holmes said as much as 80 percent of Gaza’s 1.5 million people “are more or less dependent on food aid from the outside.”

Comments

Harpo 6 years, 7 months ago

364 is the total death toll. The "dozens" is only referenced as the civillians (non-Hamas fighters) out of the overall total. Regardless, it is sad that the cycle of violence and death continues no matter how one judges who is more to blame.

SettingTheRecordStraight 6 years, 7 months ago

I am sorry for the civilian and military casualties on both sides. However, Israel has a right to defend herself from Hamas rocket attacks. Israel's punitive military response should keep Hamas from quickly re-arming and, thus, delay future Hamas terrorist attacks.

repaste 6 years, 7 months ago

Not a chance strs, Hamas is defending itself not Isreal. there is no "right" side.

SettingTheRecordStraight 6 years, 7 months ago

repaste,Do you acknowledge that Hamas restarted its kasam rocket attacks on Israel the very week a 6-month long ceasefire ended? Do you acknowledge that Israel neutralized the Hamas threat only after Israel was attacked?

repaste 6 years, 7 months ago

Isreal has been attacking Hamas for years, with real rockets, kasam have no warhead, the Palistine has been oppressed for years, they have no freedom, I have no dog in the fight, but it is a deep issue, not simple defense. I tie you up and beat you, then defend myself when you hit me?

repaste 6 years, 7 months ago

Not to say you did not deserve to be tied & beat, I don't know

oldvet 6 years, 7 months ago

100 tons here... 100 tons there... pretty soon you'll get them all...

repaste 6 years, 7 months ago

9-11 had roots in this conflict, bombs killing say"USA" on them, it is our war, I have no idea what is up or down. Liberty might be right on this one. Sometimes I think it is the neocon's or worse doing it for simple reason of holylands/crusade type war. It is and has been a one sided war, 1 death = 200 deaths. Read Mimis post on "war, not peace" article

repaste 6 years, 7 months ago

We will feel that hate here in the US, we don't really understand that conflict or it's ramifications on us. Remember 9-11. Osama did not say he would distroy us - he said he would take down our economy. Guess he might be winning!

jonas_opines 6 years, 7 months ago

oldvet (Anonymous) says… "100 tons here… 100 tons there… pretty soon you'll get them all…"While making more (enemies that is) in a never-ending cycle.

oldvet 6 years, 7 months ago

and I suppose you think that the militant Islam factions are our friends??? the only good one is a dead one... bomb on!

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 7 months ago

"repaste (Anonymous) says… Not a chance strs, Hamas is defending itself not Isreal. "Right... forget those 10,000 rockets that have been fired into Israel since 2001. Those were love rockets! Kassams have no warhead? Perhaps you should double check that - but assuming it is true, I further assume you'd have no problem having one of these harmless rockets land on your house?

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 7 months ago

"repaste (Anonymous) says… I have no idea what is up or down."That's pretty obvious.

frank mcguinness 6 years, 7 months ago

XD40 is a racist and bigot. Can you be a racist and bigot and still be gay?

Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

Gee, if we only had an "architect" to explain everything to us by posting tons of youtube links. That'd be cool. Wouldn't it ?

frank mcguinness 6 years, 7 months ago

This is probably the only time I'll ever agree with madmike but if we lost Cynthia Mckinney I just might have to throw a little party. I cant believe the retarded green party almost voted for her as their candidate.

Pinhead_Identifier 6 years, 7 months ago

Rooster, you are a hemorrhoid infested a$$hole, do you know that? I'd rather have a dozen hemorrhoids on my ass than be you or any f*cking liberal douche bag.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

This is insane. IT has nothing to do with the US. The United States has tried with Regan, Carter, Bush, Clinton, and BUsh. These yahoos do not want peace with Isreal, they want Isreal gone. Period. And the "Headline" is atrocious, why is it not "Hundreds of Israeli citizens maimed and killed in 10,000 rocket attacks since 2001.remember that Israel has been ignoring thse little Rocket attacks and Hamas and Hezbollah will not stop. Remember the last promise? Hamas and the Palestinians promised that if they got the Gaza strip all would be well. They get it, then they start the poop fight again.I think Hezbollah and Hamas need all to be killed, every last one of them. They simply will not share with Israel peace. They share death and turmoil, but no peace. Theses pathetic losers remind me of Mexico and all the pieces of filth that come out of that country. How many murders along the border in Mexico? Over 20,000 we know of. Where is the outrage there? How about the 68,000 citizens in the USA killed by drunk and criminal illegal aliens? How many "dozens" is that.We need to get a little perspective. I care more about the murders happening at many more time in Mexico and spilling over into our country than a paltry 400 in a "war". That is a skirmish, we have in excess of 84,000 just associated with filth coming out of Mexico.Those are the numbers, call me a racist now.

frank mcguinness 6 years, 7 months ago

Pinhead_identifier??? Is that how you find your little pin head when you go to take a piss?

feeble 6 years, 7 months ago

It always amazes me that all this strife and conflict is happening in a place that is rough the same size as the land between I-70 and K-10, Lawrence and 435.

womanwarrior 6 years, 7 months ago

What really bothers me about most of these posters is the total disregard for human life. I'm a Christian, and that's not what Jesus was all about. He would never have forced conversion on anyone. All in all, you sound a lot like a "christian" version of Al queda and Hamas. What makes you different?PS I used the small c to refer to you, because your hateful nastiness is not Christian at all. Why don't you go to church instead of making Christianity look bad by posting here or anywhere?

Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

Perhaps all those people could be relocated to the Yellowstone Caldera.....

XG4Ti1 6 years, 7 months ago

Let me put it this way to you all .....The American Indians used to live here way way before the Christopher Columbus came over, so technically this is their land ... so let us give away Texas, Oklahoma, Kanas, Nebraska, North & South Dakota, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado and Utah back to the people who this land really belongs to. And to all who are living in those states, that aren't Amiercan Indians please leave with 48 hours. Don't care if your family has lived there for the last three hundred years, LEAVE or be forced to.For the last 60 so yearsThese people have been oppressed by the Israleis who receive all their support, Military and Economically by, guess who....? Thats what happened to the Palestinians back after WWII. Ever since then, they want their LAND BACK! Being cramped up on a peice of land 9miles by 7miles with a MILLION people living, would you think of wanting YOUR LAND back?

XG4Ti1 6 years, 7 months ago

You can put it what ever way you like, but there is a problem and bombing the other side is not the solition. Israel exists, can't do much about that now. The idea of a Palestinian state has been floating for the last 15 years going back to Camp David Treaty, yet there is no state. Ceasefires are made and later broken when no progess is in sight.When new homes are built on land that has been assured will be handed over to the Palentinians when their state is created, that is not gesture of Peace or an assurance that their State will be created. Its a violation of the peace agreement. When these actions are seen by the people who actually live there, it would cause an uproar. What can these people do to show their cause. Be like Ghandi and sit peacefully and hope all sides find a resolution? 60-70 years is a long time to be without a homeland. Each year passes away and more ceasefires are made and broken. Let a Palestinen state be created in a time frame same as Israel was created, this would resolve the problem.Arab countries have given gesture to Israel to recongnize its right to exist and to make peace with them if the lands taken in the 1967 war are returned. This is a first sign from the Arab side to recongnize Israel but yet, all things move slowly in the ME.And as time goes by, one gets stronger and stronger, military and economically with the help of the US, while the other side is labeled a terrorist and a nusance, living in shell shocked dwellings. They have shortages of food, water, medicine, electricity and there is no way to bring them unless they are checked at checkposts. Not being able to get the basic necessaities for a a day, week or a month can be bearable, but for 20-30 years with no end in sight ...Either the Palestinans take what ever the Israelis give them or fight for their freedom!

Strontius 6 years, 7 months ago

It would be nice if one side in this conflict was darker than the other, but at the end of the day, both are just murderous, religious zealots.Don't let anyone try to tell you that faith is a positive force in this world. It's evil side infinitely outweighs the tiny bit of good.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

Don't forget that Israel was created to "right" the wrong of the holocaust after WWII and it was not done by the United States, it was done by the "League of Nations". ANd who was in charge of Israel and this mess which also carved up the Arab empire? Great Britian. The US was busy with Germany, Italy, and Japan in rebuilding, as well as France and Poland. The rest was left to the rest of the World.So why is the United States getting beat up for the rest of the world's blunder?Check your history, Know your history. Besides "Palestine" did not exist prior to the WW II either. it was part of the "Ottoman Empire". SAo "Palestine" and "Israel" did not offically exist. SO Palestine has no gripes either historically speaking. It belonged to the Turks.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

"When new homes are built on land that has been assured will be handed over to the Palentinians when their state is created, that is not gesture of Peace or an assurance that their State will be created. Its a violation of the peace agreement."Sorry XG but the current situation calls BS on your post. This land "Gaza" was given back in the last 4 years, and the "houses Israeli's built" were torn down, and Israeli's "were forced" from those homes in context of the "Peace Agreement". Who violated it?Hamas ans Hezbollah.They always do, they have violated every treaty no matter what Israel gives to these fanatics. I think Israel needs to "take back everything" , and then re-start negotiating back from where this all started, that the Palestinians have been violating.Check out the treaties, and who violated them. It is all online, and the media that sucks so much they all "pile on" Israel.This is an "AP" story, that should tell you everything, AP means "Anti-American Press". These are the guys along with Reuters that runs falisfied pictures, and stories with no fact checking. Just run the "atrocities" Israel has committed, and ignore all the crap the Palestineians have visited upon Israel.This has been a long time comming and Israle has been "accepting" the rocket attacks since 2001. I support them fully for "firing back". Hamas beings a knife to a gun fight, and unguiade rockets to a military incursion.

XG4Ti1 6 years, 7 months ago

Asbestos ... Who is Israel's BIGGEST Supporter? Who came up with the idea of Leauge of Nations?People were living on the land that got carved up for centuries. That land has been the trouble spot since biblic times, it just didnt start after WWII. The method on how it was carved was not the smartest idea made by the League of Nations. It was done after WWII finished, so the US was done kicking everyone's a** in Europe and Asia. All super powers at that time are to blame, not just Great Britian. Read and understand your history first!

XG4Ti1 6 years, 7 months ago

They bulldoze one home but build new compunds at another locations. New homes are being built on that same peice of Land. Those homes are less than a mile or 2 from the Palestinan settlements ( These aren't homes, these places are more like ghetto buildings you find in Brooklyn with a family of 10 living in 2 rooms) Gaza was handed over to the PLO but that is just that 9miles by 7mile peice of land. There is no freedom where every move made is watched by Israel. Military blockade of the Mediterraen and boarders closed on the Egypt side doesnt help either. This isn't a anit-american or an anti-jew or anti-israel comment post. The idea of a Palestian state has been going on for a long time. Find a resolution to this problem and most of the world's problems regarding terrorism would hopefully come to an end.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

Sorry XG, you are wrong. Besides, the 1959 revocation of "All Palestinian" passports was doen by "Egypt" not Israel. Meaning, the Arabs do not wnat Palestinians either."According to the United Nations' 1947 UN Partition Plan, proposing a partition of the British Mandate of Palestine, the areas of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were to become part of a new Arab state. However, the Arab members of the UN stated that the plan was unjust and contrary to the UN Charter, and that they would not abide by it, presaging the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. (See also Proposals for a Palestinian state.) The "All-Palestine Government" was recognised by Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen, but not by Jordan or any other country in the world. However, it was little more than a façade under Egyptian control and had negligible influence or funding. Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip or Egypt were issued with All-Palestine passports until 1959, when Gamal Abdul Nasser, president of Egypt, annulled the All-Palestine government by decree."""""""""""""""""""Here is the timeline:"1978Israel and Egypt sign the Camp David Accords, in which they pledge to try to reach an agreement on Palestinian autonomy in the Gaza Strip and West Bank. In response, Jewish settlement groups start to establish more settlements to ensure Jewish presence in the Gaza Strip. Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip grows in the 1980s.1994 The Gaza-Jericho Agreement is signed; IDF forces leave most of the Strip's Palestinian inhabited areas, but maintain control of the Jewish settlements, borders and certain strategic points.1995 Hamas and Islamic Jihad carry out suicide bombings against Israelis. Israel surrounds the Strip with a security fence. Israel and the Palestinian Authority sign the Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.2000-01 Camp David Summit fails. The Second Intifada begins. Jewish settlements in Gaza suffer constant attacks. Palestinians in Gaza fire missiles at Israeli communities in the Negev. Israeli helicopters attack targets in Palestinian areas, and IDF tanks enter refugee camps. Curfews placed on Palestinians, security at checkpoints increased.2003-04 In response to Palestinian attacks, the IDF recaptures parts of the Gaza Strip. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon presents a Disengagement Plan from Gaza and the northern West Bank.2005 Knesset ratifies Sharon's Disengagement Plan. Government announces August 15 as the day disengagement is set to begin. Passionate, nationwide anti-disengagement protests begin. "

TheYetiSpeaks 6 years, 7 months ago

The sad part of this and every other conflict, is that 5% or less of the involved parties are the people pushing for aggression and death. The other 95% of people in the world just want to live their lives and be left the hell alone. Not all Israelis are saints and not all Arabs are bloodthirsty killers. There is no right side to killing.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

"Maybe the solution is to eliminate Israel and their so-called “God” given right to dominate and destroy any who differ."The contrary is also then viable Beo, killing all Arabs, muslims, or others would solve the problem equally as well with your line of laco of logic.The reality is for both to honor the treaties, and the Palestinians are the ones the violate the treaties the majority of times.Remember this is stoked because Israel has "looked the other way" ahs Hamas and Hezboluah have been lobbing rockets since 2001. When Israel started back under Sharon, the Palestinians started bombing buses. Remember those pictures, bloody buses, burnt busses, bloody resturaunts, burnt resturaunts, all "siucicide bombers" running into the innocent citizens of Israel. That's when the barriers and the control of movement came in. The bombings stoped, so these Islamic Palestinian yahoos started lobbing rockets again. 10,000 is the recent count, and they still won't stop.Besides, the "civilian casualites" within Gaza are houses where Hamas and Hezbollah store the rockets. They use the civilians as "Human Shields". Another chicken #### tactic used by "Arab Muslim Palestinian Terrorists. Any house blown up by the Israelis you can bet there was rockets inside ready to be launched or being stored and there is film footage of it.That is why YouTube has taken the IDF videos off the site for "offensive content".YouTube however leaves on the "sucicide bomber" videos and the other pro Islam terrorists videos.Check it out wizards of the internet.The entire media world is corrupt and unbalanced.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

HEadline:"Youtube and AP release Pro Palestinian Propaganda""Media Outlets Refuse to report the actual Truth of Israel Defending their Citizens""Who does the Media think they are Kidding?"

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

"The United Nations reported that at least 62 of the dead were women and children, and medics said eight children under the age of 17 were killed in overnight strikes."How come the United Nations did not report the number of Israelis that were killed or injured?Why did AP neglect the Israeli injuries and deaths?News? NOPE! Propaganda.

Katara 6 years, 7 months ago

TheYetiSpeaks (Anonymous) says…The sad part of this and every other conflict, is that 5% or less of the involved parties are the people pushing for aggression and death. The other 95% of people in the world just want to live their lives and be left the hell alone. Not all Israelis are saints and not all Arabs are bloodthirsty killers. There is no right side to killing.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~This.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 7 months ago

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Whip101 6 years, 7 months ago

The jews who occupy Palestine, (or as some of you call it, Israel), are invaders and are criminals. Daily they murder the innocent in Gaza, the West Bank and elsewhere. They have stold at the point of a gun a country that was not theirs. Any so called Christian who sides with them is an anti-Christ, because Jesus Himself said they are the children of the devil and He knows better than any of us who the children of the devil are. Many of you lame brains say that Whites STOLD the U.S. from the inhabiitants of it prior - yet you support the jew is their genocidal murder of the occupants in this region.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

"I neither support nor do I condone the actions of Hamas. They are terrorists.I'm speaking of the collective punishment of all who live in Gaza."Then your beef is with Hamas. They are the ones that will not quit launching rockets. Additionally they stage, store, and launch these damn rockets from civilian houses. What do you expect Israel to do? What I would expect the good citizens of Gaza to do is to start killing Hamas for bringing death and war to their community bu launching rockets from there.The probelm is Hamas and their tactic of terrorism from within civilian areas using "human shields".THey use it because You supporters fall for it and the media condems Israel.Open you GD Eyes.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

"Both sides fight like sissies. Fight like men and this war will be over and not drag on for 100+ years."If Israel "let loose" the war would be over and Israel would claim all the ground. They have done it 2 times in the past. This is the problem; Israel gives land back, and the Palestinians, Hamas, Hezbulah, or Fatah make it a terrorism launch base and start either launching bombing attacks or rocket attacks.Remember it is the Palestinians that have launched this "2nd Intifada", not Israelis.IF israel did use the force you mention, the UN and every country on earth would be crying about the "disproportionate force", because it is at this paltry level.It cvould be a lot worse, and that shows the "restraint" the Israel is using. Wait till the ground offensive, then Hamas and those rocket launchers will learn another thing.But the UN and the world will condemn it, condem Israels right to defend herself from terrorists that want to kill every Israeli.

TheYetiSpeaks 6 years, 7 months ago

"so don't give my (sic) that mamby-pamby touchy feely crap about killing children" Wha-....wow. Really? Sorry if anyone's distaste over children being murdered bothers you. Just....wow.

TheYetiSpeaks 6 years, 7 months ago

By the way, does anyone else get the feeling that Israel's refusal to have a 48 hour cease fire at the behest of most of the rest of the world has less to do with the occasional wayward rocket out of Gaza and more about wanting a conclusive action against the heavier hitters in the region. Picture the biggest kid in the playground. Most of the other kids dont like him and wish he wasn't there. But the teacher sides with he big kid. The problem is the teacher is leaving to be replaced with a new teacher who the big kid is not sure will have his back. So the big kid, knowing he cannot hit first, waits for the littlest kid (who while not big, is popular with the other kids) to take a minuscule shot at him and then responds by beating the nerd out of him in an attempt to goad the other kids into action so he, the big kid, can deal with the other kids on a final level. I don't know if that makes any sense. I had a lot of NyQuil.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

"By the way, does anyone else get the feeling that Israel's refusal to have a 48 hour cease fire at the behest of most of the rest of the world has less to do with the occasional wayward rocket out of Gaza and more about wanting a conclusive action against the heavier hitters in the region."NO! The reason that Israel is against the "48 hour cease fire" to bring in "humanitarian supplies" is because the "humanitarian supplies" will all be more rockets and guns for Hamas.The Radical Palestinians of Hamas, Hezbollah, and FATAH, have already pulled that one so many times it would slip past someone with a cold and medicated with NyQuil. Hell, it slips by the media and the rest of the world as they ignore the stuff that Palestinians pull in the name of "humanitarian issues". All they use it for is to resupply the terrorists.Besides the "Big Kid" in the Middle east is NOT the Israelis, it is the radical Arab Muslims. IT is just that the "little kid" has learned how to fight very well and defend istelf agains the entire Fanatic Arab Muslim extremists world.When the world recognises that, the rockets stop.That is why they use them, they play well to the world media (propaganda).

Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

Come Jan 21, it'll be unicorns & puppies for everybody, right?

shockchalk 6 years, 7 months ago

Great post none2. I see that 101whip has not responded. It's tough for that crowd when people start posting facts. The truth is hard to argue but they'll still do it. Right duplenty? If you all are so worried about the children who are killed in this war, remember which side is using them as human shields to conduct their attacks. Besides, Obama is supportive of Israel and you all LOVE Obama so it should be okay with you.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

"No one excuses Hamas for their tactics. But the fact remains that Israel's tactics amount to collective punishment, and civilians are dying (many more Gazans than Israelis)."That's what happens when your "representatives" launch rockets on Israel. There are a helluva lot more innocent Israelis that have suffered from these rocket attacks over timc, and the bus bombings and the resturaunt bombings as well, even when they agree to a treaty with these putrid Hamas and radical Palestinians.And you are totaly dense, the reason there are "lots of civilians" killed is because Hamas nides and launches their rockets fromthese houses and "human shields'.When are you idiots gonna figure that out, and your "sympathy" for the civilians deaths should be outrage to Hamas for using them as "human shields" not at Israel for killing the place where rockets are stored and fired from.Wise up man, and get a clue, even Obama gets that one.

TheYetiSpeaks 6 years, 7 months ago

Posted by ASBESTOS:"Besides the “Big Kid” in the Middle east is NOT the Israelis, it is the radical Arab Muslims. IT is just that the “little kid” has learned how to fight very well and defend istelf agains the entire Fanatic Arab Muslim extremists world." Day 1: 70-100 "homemade" missiles launched from Gaza, 4 Israelis die. Israel drops 100 tons of bombs, kills 300+ including 60 civilians. Over 1,000 injured.....I'd say Israel is the big kid. ASBESTOS: Why all the name calling and insults? you are obviously too emotionally close to have a balanced and reasonable discussion about the conflict. Your attitude is a microcosm of the conflict, in fact. If there were less emotional reactions and more even-keeled dialogue by both sides then the Middle East and the world would be a better place.

Kathy Getto 6 years, 7 months ago

All in the name of their god(s)ese - how dare you insult John Wayne in that manner.

tin 6 years, 7 months ago

Asbestos & None2 I'm with you, good post to bad it falls on so many deaf ears.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

"Hamas is a terrorist organization. Yet you excuse Israel's actions even though innocent palestinians are dying because of the actions of a terrorist group?"That is exactly how and why terrorists organizations work, by using civilians as shields and theyn crying when a lot of civilians that they put in danger are injured or killed. The outrage should be rightly to Hamas, NOT Israel."""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""We have a winner in the post of the day:"why was Commander Big-Bad hiding amongst refugees? Answer - Because he is the standard Hamas terrorist coward, not a soldier, and with no honor. If he had honor, he would stay away from getting refugee camps targeted, but no, Mr. true believer does what all of them do, hide amongst civilians and then happily shows dead people because Israel had to go in there to get him and his buddies.""""""""""""""""""""""""""What part of that do idiots that hate Isaeal, Don't Get???"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Mike, show me any post in which I “justify” any hamas action, or you're a liar."I would say in your posts to me, you continue blaming Israel. You seem to leave Hamas blameless or at the very least "justified" which they are not hiding among civilians and houses and refugees.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

"That guilt does not excuse or condone the collective punishment that Israel is inflicting on the women and children of Gaza."That invalidates your claim, pure and simple. You cannot hold both that Hamas = Bad, and Israel Response = "Punishment". Going to war is not "punishment", it is ment to "stop" the bunwanted behavior, which is "launching rockets".Very simple for Hamas, "stop launching rockets" and Israel will quite.So how do you see that as "Punihshment"? That is a "rationalized" thought, but nowhere near "rational".It may not be our 'comprehension" but may be your 'convoluted logic" and "unrealistic worldview".For instance who has done the most for Darfur in the last decade, or Africa for that matter?(Hint: W.)

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

http://abcnews.go.com/International/comments?type=story&id=6560468Even on ABC news the majority of the comments are "ABC are you crazy?" Here is ABC, a very liberal and supporter of Hamas and the Palestinians, and look at all the negative comments. Of the 116 I counted about 30 pro the story and pro Palestinian.This is kinda of what the rest of the county thinks.The reason there is no "Polling on this" is because the Politicians would not like the answer: "Let Israel continue until Hamas Stops."

ASBESTOS 6 years, 7 months ago

"I'm for Hamas because unlike Israel, they do not kill women and children with their bombs."No they kill "women and children" by launching rockets, bombing buses and bombing resturaunts.Besides, Obama opposes Hamas and Supports Israel.What do you have to say about that barry?

uncleandyt 6 years, 7 months ago

What if....?millions of your tax dollars were spent on "media contracts", to sorta catapult the propaganda?billions of your tax dollars were spent on "weapons of mass destruction"?WE are liars.WE are killers.

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