Archive for Saturday, December 13, 2008

Al Franken gets boosts in Senate recount

December 13, 2008


— Democrat Al Franken won a pair of victories Friday before the state board overseeing the Senate recount, including a decision that as many as 1,500 incorrectly rejected absentee ballots should be included.

The board also opted to recommend use of election night results in a Franken-leaning Minneapolis precinct where 133 ballots went missing, a decision that could have cost him 46 votes if it had gone the other way.

Franken had fought especially hard to include the absentees as he tries to overtake Republican Sen. Norm Coleman in the drawn-out recount.

Coleman’s campaign lawyers said they would go to court over the absentee ballot ruling.

With all precincts recounted, Coleman has a 188-vote edge over Franken — down slightly from his 215-vote lead entering the recount.

But there’s a long way to go. That margin doesn’t include the absentees. Nor does it include any of the 6,655 ballot challenges the two campaigns filed during the recount.


TacoBob 9 years, 5 months ago

Even Minnesota can't quite stomach Franken. But they just might get their wish. What a vile man.

Corey Williams 9 years, 5 months ago

It's nice to see that the right wingers were up early this morning. What's the matter people? Do you not like to see democracy in action?

a_flock_of_jayhawks 9 years, 5 months ago

If they want a sharp guy that has a chance to get things done, Franken's the guy. Coleman is scandal-ridden and in it for himself, not the people of MN.I love Franken's books. If you haven't checked them out, you should. They're a pretty short read, but they reveal some interesting, and good things about him that you probably wouldn't know otherwise. And, of course, there's some great humor peppered in there.Sounds like TS and TB haven't read any of them, they just abhor his political stripe.

beatrice 9 years, 5 months ago

Just imagine, people voting and then all the votes get counted! What will those looney lefties think of next? I'm sure some right wingers will push to ignore actually counting the votes and for it to go to the Supreme Court so it can be in ruled in their favor after all. Democracy in action folks -- or is it inaction?

TacoBob 9 years, 5 months ago

Flock, Just reading a book or two by him and watching SNL does not give you the full picture.I have seen Franken in person, heard him speak and witnessed first hand the comments and strategies of both men. What you have not dug deep enough to find is Franken's views on women, rape, those with disabilites, treatment of those that don't agree with him, gutter humor, and worse. He can be funny, but that is the arena where he should stay. Minnesota is no stranger to electing entertainment folks, and other than the usual lack of experience, I have no bias towards this. What does matter is the bottom feeding mindset and scummy behavior. Watching Franken deny his past comments and change (mask) his colors to get elected has been true entertainment.It is standard practice on this board to justify your guy's behavior by pointing out the other guy's flaws. Weak argument. Let each candidate stand on their own, one should not excuse the other. The Left made a poor, poor choice in picking this guy to run. Given the general election results, if the Left had put up a quality candidate, there would be no recount now.

texburgh 9 years, 5 months ago

When all votes get counted and a winner is declared, that is not technically a "stolen" election. It is a democratic election. The kind we are supposed to have in this country. The last stolen election was in 2000 when Republican operatives, Republican appointees to the Supreme Court, and Republican lawyers stole the presidential election from Al Gore. That is a stolen election, Mike.

beatrice 9 years, 5 months ago

TB, when you say "views," are you referring to comedy sketches? Exactly what views on women, rape, those with disabilities are you referring to? If what you are referring to are based on comedy routines, then that is like saying that Anthony Hopkins is in favor of cannibalism because he played the role of Hannibal Lector in movies. It would be akin to saying that Ronald Reagan shared the views of all the characters he ever portrayed. Where exactly, outside of a comedy routine or in telling a joke, has Franken ever expressed views that support your claims?

gccs14r 9 years, 5 months ago

It'll be up to the Senate to decide who they seat. McCain said the other night on Letterman that the Senate may insist that Minnesota re-do the election, since it's so close.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 9 years, 5 months ago

Well, TB, when you've got a sharp guy and a criminal to make the choice between, it should make the decision pretty easy.I take by your reply that you have not read any of his books. Who isn't digging deep enough?Comedy is often irreverent. It is not reality, but the issues that are played out in some comedy reflects the issues of the day, so I think you may have some confusion there.If Franken gets the chance to participate in the Senate, he very well could turn out to be one of the best new faces to take change to Washington. If he fails to perform once there, there's a chance to replace him in 2 years with an alternative.Coleman had his chance and blew it. He deserves to lose. If the MN voters had so much confidence in him, the race against someone with no political experience wouldn't even be close.

TacoBob 9 years, 5 months ago

Beatrice, I am certainly not referring to his comedy routines, that would not make sense. Read interviews, the piece he wrote for Playboy (no, I don't subscribe or even buy/read for the articles), some of his comments on Air America (his tirades there are legend) and speeches. I've heard him speak at events, pre and post election annoucement. You can also find some videos on the web of his antics while talking politics on the air, and the f-bomb flies. I think this would be akin to electing Andrew Dice Clay or Bill Maher. This is not the strongest of analogies, as Franken is not always as extreme and out of bounds as some of their comments can be, but I think you get my drift. Your career gets examined, and your character - just can't turn on a dime.I just think we could do way better, and have in many cases with other candidates offered by both parties. Minnesota is left-leaning for sure, and yet he is not the clear winner, so even Dems have issues with this guy. The preliminaries, and even after he won the primary, saw many of his party members denoucing him for his views - somewhat rare, with direct comments. There is definately a problem here.

TacoBob 9 years, 5 months ago

Flock, most candidates we see aren't our best and brightest, sorry to say. I think both parties can do much better, but for whatever reason, we don't get good choices.As far as the criminal remark, not sure if you are referring to the current lawsuit or another matter. A criminial? 'Sopranovich' of IL is a criminal, not Norm.MN is left-leaning, so for Coleman to even be elected in the first place is surprising and it is surprising that he is still in it. For all his fautls, I would rather see him than Franken.And yes, I do make a distinction between the comedy and the person. It's the views outside of comedy that tell the tale, and he is just a low class guy.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 9 years, 5 months ago

TB says..."A criminial? 'Sopranovich' of IL is a criminal, not Norm."Not sure what you know about Coleman, but here's a few nuggets:- relationship to Jeff Larson - "rentgate, $600/mo DC apartment, the same Jeff Larson that paid $150k for Palin's shopping spree- Kazeminy / McKim $75k money laundering lawsuit - the suit is from Repubs themselves and he failed to disclose $120k in "campaign donations" which apparently include some pricey clothing (suits). Kazeminy was said to have stated "Senator's don't make -bleep-" when he ordered McKim (under threat of dismissal from his job) to send the money to a firm where Coleman's wife works. Hmmm, that's starting to sound like a particular Gov from Illinois that is currently under indictment for similar behavior.While these aren't nearly as bold as Blagojebleep's behavior, it's not legal or ethical. Franken sure doesn't have these problems. Knowing that Coleman has that in his track record, are you sure he is the better candidate?

a_flock_of_jayhawks 9 years, 5 months ago

madmike says..."When thousands ov votes are suddenly found, and all of them are only for one person, which is a statistical impossibility, there is a reason to suspect something is wrong."That's ridiculous. Can you cite a source for your assertion that "all of them are only for one person"? Didn't think so.So far, the last remaining issue regarding the count is rejected absentee ballots in which, of all the absentee ballots that were rejected, there is no legal reason under state law for around 1600 (the article above says 1500) of those absentee ballots to have been rejected. The "something that is wrong" is that Coleman is petitioning the state SC to keep those legitimate votes from being counted. Let the votes be counted.

beatrice 9 years, 5 months ago

TB, I would like specific examples. What exactly did he say in Playboy? Besides, it wasn't an interview, it was a fictional story about visiting a sexuality institute -- kind of like an update of Woody Allen and the Orgasmatron. It was written and intended to be read in a comical context, yet Republican women with a political ax to grind made a big stink about it. Besides, it was Playboy, after all, and not Meet the Press. His "on-air" antics are just that, antics. Certainly Franken doesn't have the character history of someone like Arnold Schwarzenegger who frequently groped women against their will, did drugs and took part in group sex, yet the Gropenators' governorship is working out wonderfully for the Republicans. There is an example of someone turning their character on a dime. You won't find that type of character change with Franken. Also, Franken droping "f-bombs" should be enough to keep him out of the Senate ... really? F-bombs make him about as menacing as the student section of a KU football game, or perhaps just vice-presidential. Where he stands on the actual issues, that is what you need to look at. On the issues is where you will find a thoughtful, intelligent, and liberal individual.Sorry, but the comedic and antic talk, even when the words contain many of the seven you can't say on television, doesn't rise to the level of making him unqualified. Even when he uses blue language, his political views are still intelligent, whether you agree with them or not.

TacoBob 9 years, 5 months ago

Couple of quick items - Norm was renting a room in the basement of the DC apartment - ever seen a picture of it? Not worth $600.'Franken doesn't have these issues' - he only has the failure to pay taxes, slippery excuses.....etc.F-bombs, no, not just THE reason to not vote for him, but one more check on the 'con' column. And sorry, his on-air 'antic's' tell a tale. cursing or not (view them for yourself). Saying my comments all boil down to childish and disgusting language is disingenuous. Just one of many reasons that add up, not the only reason, obviously.And one other comment - exactly what experience does he have?More later...

a_flock_of_jayhawks 9 years, 5 months ago

Tom says..."George W. Bush. Principle? Law?"Don't get me started. You can't honestly have grouped those words without telling a mad funny joke.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 9 years, 5 months ago

TacoBob,Just to set the record straight, I value your opinions and feel that you do a great job sticking to the issues that you feel matter. I may not agree, but I certainly respect that.And tacos rule!There was a biscuit blog thread that got started a few weeks back. A taco blog, maybe? I think it would be huge.

TacoBob 9 years, 5 months ago

Flock, likewise, I appreciate the intelligent banter! Unlike many other posters, you provide cogent opinions instead of responding with flip one-liners. Posts that make one think strengthens everyone's argument and position.Have you seen the SNL skit for Taco Town? Cracks me up every time I see it. Here is the link, for as long as it sticks anyway....

TopJayhawk 9 years, 5 months ago

Hey Flock.You get to stay for six yrs in the Senate, not two.

AjiDeGallina 9 years, 5 months ago

I was not a big fan of Franken, but considering the reaction here of the people who have failed America by supporting Bush blindly, i realize if you hate him that bad, he can only be good for America.The trick he is using...let every vote count.The GOP hates it when that happens, and that is why the extreme right (as opposed to real American Conservitives whom though I disagree, i still consider patriots) the extremist are failed Americans who are a bigger threat to democracy than Al-Quada could ever be.

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