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Police investigating shots fired outside 23rd Street Brewery

Police are investigating a shooting early this morning outside a southwest Lawrence restaurant.

December 12, 2008, 3:00 a.m. Updated December 12, 2008, 12:04 p.m.

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Lawrence police combed the parking lot outside 23rd Street Brewery, 3512 Clinton Parkway, early Friday morning, after someone fired a gun as patrons were leaving the bar.

Lawrence Police Sgt. Susan Hadl said there were no reports of injuries in the shooting, which occurred during a fight in the parking lot after the bar closed at 2 a.m.

“Witnesses reported hearing two to four gunshots,” said police spokeswoman Kim Murphree.

Matt Llewellyn, an owner of 23rd Street Brewery, said the restaurant had been host to a private party for Kappa Alpha Psi fraternity.

Llewellyn said the party was for Stop Day, a traditional day off at Kansas University before the start of finals, which begin Monday. “We’re very, very thankful, obviously, that nobody got hurt,” the owner said. “That’s the biggest thing.”

A doorman, who identified himself as Tiny, said most patrons were out of the bar when the incident happened and that the night was incident-free until the gunfire.

“There was a little bit of a fight in the parking lot,” he said. “One of the guys didn’t like how it ended, and took out a pistol and shot a few shots in the air.”

The number of people at the party was unclear. Llewellyn said the bar was at capacity and estimated more than 200 people were there. A bouncer estimated 350 to 400.

Llewellyn said the crowd was very respectful and there was very little drinking going on inside the bar. Llewellyn said the business hired private security to monitor the party and added he was “blown away” when he heard the shooting had happened.

“It’s our biggest nightmare … to have this kind of thing happen,” Llewellyn said.

Hadl said police were not sure what type of weapon was used. “Officers canvassed the area but found no empty rounds or evidence of the gunshots,” Murphree said.

Police were looking for evidence in the parking lot and reviewing security tapes from the Hy-Vee supermarket across the parking lot from the bar. Hadl said witnesses saw a silver vehicle involved in the shooting, but she did not know to what extent it was involved.

Attempts to reach members of the fraternity were unsuccessful Friday.

Comments

Steven Gaudreau 5 years, 4 months ago

Why is it racist to state the fact that this is an all black fraternity? It is an all black fraternity. Big deal. For those who think 400 people is a hard number for a fraternity party to hit, you must have never been to one before. I have been to fraternity parties that were over a thousand people. 23rd Street Brewery was paid to host this party. The mgt. knew who threw the party. The mgt allowed to party to go well over the capacity of the business. A large group of people jammed in a tight space with alcohol usually ends up with an incident. Businesses out west are not held to the same standards as other businesses in town that cater to college kids. When places like 23rd Street Brewery try to make a quick buck without knowing how to manage a party like this and without police and fire marshalls checking on the business three times a week, bad things happen.

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UGOTTABEKIDDINME 5 years, 4 months ago

hurray frat kids with guns whats next soririty girls with napalm

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Warren6032 5 years, 4 months ago

Have anyone noticed that all the crimes (rapes, robberies, DUI accidents, shootings etc) have been white people? I know it's not a racial thing, but if a minoity committed these acts, the racist would have come out of the woodwork.

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iowastreetradar 5 years, 4 months ago

Lj says "shooting" what should be said is"shots fired". no commas

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Steve Jacob 5 years, 4 months ago

Or maybe the frat boys turned up "Paper Planes" by M.I.A. to loud.

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Thinking_Out_Loud 5 years, 4 months ago

Well, it didn't take long for this thread to jump the shark.

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shutnmdown 5 years, 4 months ago

gah dang it, I wanted to be there too...lol

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Victor Dawson 5 years, 4 months ago

Are we reading the same article? Where does it read that ant shell casings were found, or that a member of this fraternity shot a gun?You are right, somebody did miss the point. That would be you! If you are looking to point a finger don't blame these students who are here trying to do the right thing (raising money for the community service projects).Stop talking apples and oranges here. If you get something real, like someone saying they actually saw the shooter, gave the description to law eforcement, law enforcement reports the fact, then I will happily shut my pie hole. However, it is completely escaping me on how many people were injured again? How many shell casings were found? What about this, maybe the gun shots were fired from the same gun the killed Kennedy. Maybe it was a magic bullet that exploded two , , , three. . . four times and the gun blow up into a vapor!!! Now, that is some serious Mission Impossible stuff, like your thinking.As for 1029:Sorry you got rejected from joining a fraternity. Good for you though to seek your revenge now!!! How is that working for you? Do you feel like big man on campus? Maybe, your solution is to setup metal detectors and do random searches until we get all those black fraternity rebelious thug hustling gang-bangers locked up.As for Judgesmails:I know you probably want to be alittle more informed then you are, but you have plenty of time to realize that criminals come in all sizes, colors, religion, oh and socio-economics backgrounds. I am sorry that it scares you that not everybody who listens or is into the rap scene are thugs. Some of the biggest thugs you are seeing right now being paraded in front the biggest thugs (Congress) requesting more of our hard earned money. I highly doubt that these thugs, who would be welcomed with open arms in your so-called vision of "West Lawrence" because of their position. That is the shame in all of this still yet to be determined incident. Judgy time to talk off your black robe of shame!!!

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Judgesmails 5 years, 4 months ago

hey wannabe rapper thugs,stick to your hip hop clubs.stay out of west lawrence, losers

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1029 5 years, 4 months ago

a) rez4prez, how can shots be fired without there being a gun to fire them from? Maybe I am not understanding you correctly....b) Of all the posts I've made, the one that subtly acknowledges that frat brothers have been known to engage in homosexual behavior with each other gets removed? Looks like some former frat kid at the lj-w got offended.

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dlkrm 5 years, 4 months ago

"These are college students who dedicate a lot of time to their books and volunteering their free time to work with those less fortunate. They work at the food pantry, adopt families from the holidays, have a mentoring program, and raise money for St. Judes Hospital in Memphis. They do all this with the majority of the money they receive from these parties."Dude, YOU missed the point.One of them shoots a gun when he doesn't get his way.

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Victor Dawson 5 years, 4 months ago

Once again people are missing the point!!! The title stated police investigating "shots fired" at 23rd Street Brewery, not police find shell casings after shots fired at 23rd Street Brewery. At this point, the police are saying that there isn't any evidence suggesting that a weapon was even used. Don't judge people before the facts are in!!! The fact that this is a traditionally black fraternity doesn't mean that the situation automatically involves weapons. It really upsets me, in a so-called progessive thinking city, that the level of ignorance remains so high. From what I can see from the article; no one was injured, no weapon or shell casings have been found, the alleged incident took place outside of the establishment and not inside, and the owner stated that the crowd was respectful and well mannered. So, again, let me here how terrible the greeks or traditionally black greek letter organizations are.Futhermore, has any of you checked in the work that this Chapter has done this school year and what is being done on a national level? These are college students who dedicate a lot of time to their books and volunteering their free time to work with those less fortunate. They work at the food pantry, adopt families from the holidays, have a mentoring program, and raise money for St. Judes Hospital in Memphis. They do all this with the majority of the money they receive from these parties. This isn't Last Call, it these young people shouldn't enough be mentioned in the same breathe with such thugry.

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ralphralph 5 years, 4 months ago

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bearlybrewed 5 years, 4 months ago

Perhaps it was not a gunshot after all. My sources tell me a bling swung out of control and hit an Escalade's fender which resulted in a loud "pop".

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 4 months ago

That particular fraternity had parties for years at the Kansas Union on Jayhawk bvld. It took more than one car of KU police to monitor the closing. The street was double parked, then they moved to the Burge Union. Of course, the alcohol couldn't be served on campus. Of course, 23rs St knew who was what and what was going to happen, and "teapot' is correct. The situation turned into a tempest in a teapot.Give it time and something no good will come happen again.The old frat house was as I recall on Mississippi just south of the entrance to Berkely flats. There is now a massive duplex on that site.

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Rafael Sanchez 5 years, 4 months ago

Alli can say about some people in this town is "WOW".

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invictus 5 years, 4 months ago

What surprises me is that they were drinking at a "traditionally white bar" in a "traditionally white town" and KU is a "traditionally white University"

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Multidisciplinary 5 years, 4 months ago

Llewellyn said the crowd was very respectful and there was very little drinking going on inside the bar.Eureeka! Our next Republican candidate for the White House!

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Quigly 5 years, 4 months ago

First the place blows up and now gun fights. What a crap hole!

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landon_alger 5 years, 4 months ago

The National Pan-Hellenic Council (NHPC) is an umbrella type organization, like the National Pan-Hellenic Conference or North American Interfraternity Conference. The NHPC is made up of historically African-American Greek-letter fraternities and sororities. The National Pan-Hellenic Conference is made up of women's sororities. The North American Interfraternity Conference is made up of men's fraternities.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Pan-Hellenic_Councilhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Panhellenic_Conferencehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Panhellenic_Conference

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HighScore 5 years, 4 months ago

Interesting that the article was updated. The owner now estimates the number of people at the party to be 200, not the 350-400 that the bouncer estimated. Isn't it the bouncer's job to keep track of the number of individuals in the bar so they don't exceed the fire marshall codes? Nice job Tiny. You would think that TIny would know that 23rd can't hold 400 people if he is the bar's bouncer.The fraternity has now also been named, Kappa Alpha Psi. It may also be of note that this fraternity is not included in KU's Interfraternity Council.Can someone explain what the purpose of being a fraternity if you are not included in your school's IFC. Does this allow them to get around issues of alcohol consumption and hazing?

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 4 months ago

New video:"Frat Boyz Gone Wild"!

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Tony Kisner 5 years, 4 months ago

How did this go down? Did Biff spill a drink on Muffy and not apologize, forcing Skip to step in and protect her honor? Or did Doug not give props to Trevor who's dad makes stacks of cash, and is going to buy him a new Tahoe for Christmas?

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invictus 5 years, 4 months ago

You people make me laugh you were all geared up for some frat bashing until you learned it might be a “traditionally black frat” Then you get scared and slink back to your caves.

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Confrontation 5 years, 4 months ago

Typical racist pigs making assumptions. I'm surprised that Tommy Boy hasn't commented along with his buddy, Invictus.

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Gabe Hoffman 5 years, 4 months ago

Of course it was black people, otherwise, it would shake our fragile foundation of safety in Lawrence if it wasn't a minority.Classy!

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duplenty 5 years, 4 months ago

It could have have been radical Christians.

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sarahsmilehawk 5 years, 4 months ago

Teapot, that's what Farney Mac was getting at. NPHC=black fraternities and sororities. Your traditional seersucker, Sperrys-and-Croakies fratter wouldn't carry a gun, but NPHC members don't seem much more likely.23rd Street is wise not to reveal the name of the fraternity. They do too much business with Greek life to risk it.

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1029 5 years, 4 months ago

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invictus 5 years, 4 months ago

Probably a member of the Obama Youth

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not_so_greek 5 years, 4 months ago

They were packing.Don't we all feel safer for it?Didn't think so.

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Teapot9 5 years, 4 months ago

It could have been a black fraternity.

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sarahsmilehawk 5 years, 4 months ago

I really doubt Tiny's estimate of 350-400 people. That's still four times the size of KU's largest IFC chapter, and NPHC chapters include like 20 people.

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 4 months ago

Who cares about what a bunch of frat boys do?Besides, Bettie Page has died:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465846,00.html

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honestone 5 years, 4 months ago

Damn wild hippies...it's a good thing they moved the Waka to Arkansas. Oooops...wrong story. Damn rich frat guys with guns and the stupid bars that don't even know what private party they are hosting...

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FarneyMac 5 years, 4 months ago

Not your stereotypical frat boys? My guess is NPHC, not IFC.

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Pywacket 5 years, 4 months ago

Put up or shut up, Clickker. What's the point of insinuating you know something, then acting all circumspect about saying what that is? Don't look now, but it doesn't make you seem important. And I like that comment in the story, "The bar had hosted a party for a fraternity, which staff members couldn't identify." "Wouldn't" is the operative word. They wouldn't identify them. If the party was planned ahead of time, the restaurant sure as sh** knew which frat it was.Good observation, KansasPerson. With that many people milling around, it is lucky nobody caught a bullet on its way down. There have been quite a few deaths on New Year's Eve over the years, in Detroit and elsewhere, where it is an idiotic custom to shoot into the air.

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HighScore 5 years, 4 months ago

I am having a difficult time imagining 350-400 people in the parking lot outside of 23rd Street Brewery as "Tiny" described. 23rd is rarely that busy, unless it is during a big football or basketball game. If all of those people were there for this fraternity function, it is hard to believe that the fraternity did not make special arrangements with the bar to house this function. If that is the case, how is it possible that the staff at 23rd did not know which fraternity was involved.

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KansasPerson 5 years, 4 months ago

How I wish that idiots who shoot guns in the air would realize that the bullets do come down somewhere, and you have zero control as to where that happens. Not that there were probably too many Hy-Vee shoppers out at 2 a.m., but still.

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Clickker 5 years, 4 months ago

Lets just say, these werent your stereotypical frat boys.I'll leave it at that.

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compmd 5 years, 4 months ago

Seriously, what is going on? I'm buying a couple boxes of incendiary ammo.

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FormerCentralKansan 5 years, 4 months ago

What is up T-town? Coming back to Lawrence again? Did you miss us that much after Last Call closed?

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Donnuts 5 years, 4 months ago

That's a shame. Maybe Lawrence is the type of town I need go get a gun to live in?I doubt it. but one never knows.

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Danimal 5 years, 4 months ago

Keep it classy Lawrence. Seriously, when did fratters start packing?

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