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Sebelius says Obama could win Kansas

August 27, 2008

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Gov. Kathleen Sebelius on Wednesday said Democratic presidential candidate U.S. Sen. Barack Obama could win Kansas against Republican U.S. Sen. John McCain.

"We could surprise the nation," Sebelius said in a speech to the Kansas Democratic delegates at the DoubleTree Hotel.

She noted the last time a Democratic presidential candidate won in Kansas was in 1964 when Lyndon Johnson defeated Sen. Barry Goldwater of Arizona. Johnson won the national election by a landslide.

"We have this drill down," Sebelius said, noting that McCain is from Arizona.

It would be a shocker if Obama won Kansas; he trails McCain by double-digits in polls, and Republicans hold a significant voter registration advantage.

Sebelius said for Obama to win in Kansas, Democrats must reach out to voters who have in recent years shunned the polls out of frustration.

"This is the most important election in our lifetime," she said. Obama's experience in working across the aisle is what is needed, she said, to "break the partisan paralysis of the Beltway."

She also urged Democrats to work hard to elect more Democratic legislators. Republicans hold a 30-10 advantage in the Kansas Senate and a 78-47 advantage in the House.

Sebelius ended her short speech with the words "Rock Chalk Jayhawk."

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lee66049 5 years, 7 months ago

John...now you know Obama is the chair of the committee on Afghanistan and has not called one meeting, not one. And if you knew anything about our military you would know we are ready to respond to any conflict anywhere at anytime. Obama was for cutting funding of troops while they were at war. That is something even the most liberal should never do. He was wrong on the surge, wrong on the pull out and just plain wrong. His Robin Hood economics are wrong, his tax and spend plans are wrong, and he thinks he is more celebrity than a leader. Obama will never carry Kansas. He lost 9 points in polls in California for crying out loud.

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nugget 5 years, 7 months ago

Just wait, when Joe Lieberman is announced as McCain's Veep candidate, red Kansas will start bleeding blue.

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

I (heart) logic when he's all harsh & stuff.He's never off his game. Eats a big bowl of Snark Flakes every morning, he does.

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logicsound04 5 years, 7 months ago

"Sebelius has to say that to try to hold on to her standing with Obama."-------------------RIght. Try again, as Sebelius and Obama have a close personal relationship.======================================="Sebelius is, as usual, out of touch with her own state."----------------Yes, so out of touch that she was re-elected, as a Democrat Governor in a red state.Do you people even think about your comments? Or do you just toss out whatever sounds good as it echos around inside the empty cavity you call a head.

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JohnBrown 5 years, 7 months ago

Snap, at least O'Bama was "present' to vote. How about McCain this year; didn't even make it to vote No against the new GI Bill he opposed (he was at a campaign fundraiser instead)...talk about putting your campaign above your country.Republican talk about "supporting the troops" has grown thin, so thin that our national security is at risk because we have no, zero, zilch, nada, capability to to militarily respond to any needs outside Iraq or Afghanistan. All we can do is rely on CATO's hope that no one would 'dare' try to take on the US Military (BUT, google "Putin" and "Georgia").

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Agnostick 5 years, 7 months ago

Kansas Secretary of State, Election Statisticshttp://www.kssos.org/elections/elections_statistics.htmlThere are lots of numbers to wade through, here. The challenges? There are at least two of them:1) Because of the slanted, unfair primary process Americans are subjected to, the same states have been deciding the major party candidates for the past few election cycles. Kansas has not held presidential primaries or caucuses for quite a while, according to the link above.2) Since these are party caucuses, rather than actual elections, I'm not sure that the KSSOS is responsible for "certifying" the results; so, this year's caucus results don't (yet?) appear on the web page above.That being said...36,723 registered voters showed up for the Kansas Democratic caucuses on February 5th, or "Super Tuesday."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_Democratic_caucuses,_200819,133registered voters showed up for the Kansas Republican caucuses on February 9th.Now... further breaking down the numbers...The two two vote-getters for the Democrats:Barack Obama 27,172Hillary Clinton 9,462The two two vote-getters for the Republicans:Mike Huckabee 11,627John McCain 4,587So... if we were to assume that every single Republican that showed up on February 9th, also showed up on November 4th... and that only those people that showed up for Barack Obama on February 5th bothered to vote on November 4th...You'd still be talking about:Barack Obama 27,172John McCain 19,133The big question is: Is Kansas primary/caucus participation traditionally indicative of general election participation?I don't have the time to sift through all the numbers, spreadsheets etc. that are available at the very first KSSOS link I provided above. I have heard more than once, however, that Kansas Republicans will show up for the primaries... and if the primaries don't go their way, they'll stay home on Election Day.On the other hand... maybe a lot more people show up for the general election, than do primaries/caucuses.No guarantees either way, folks... just some numbers to ponder.Agnostickagnostick@excite.comhttp://www.uscentrist.orghttp://www.americanplan.org

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

Who might benefit from an Obama Presidency?"Mr. Obama was the only member of the state Senate to vote against a bill to prohibit the early release of convicted criminal sexual abusers; was among only four who voted against bills to toughen criminal sentences and to increase penalties for "gangbangers" and dealers of Ecstasy; and voted "present" on a bill making it harder for abusive parents to regain custody of their children, a Washington Times review of Illinois legislative records shows."http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/28/obama-votes-in-illinois-cast-left-of-party/

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lee66049 5 years, 7 months ago

Obama will not win Kansas and Nancy Boyda will lose her seat. Nancy's do nothing congress and leaving the job not only during discussions about Iraq, but when the nation entered an energy crisis hurt her badly. Heck even the DNC did not want her talents at the convention. McCaskell yes, Boyda, no. Sebelius is, as usual, out of touch with her own state.

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

notnowdear, have you looked at the results of the last two Presidental elections? It's pretty darned obvious who carried Kansas.

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notnowdear 5 years, 7 months ago

No, wait, that is not right.I refuse to believe that Kansas, always moderate, could support such a fruitcake like Bush. I just cannot believe that the people I have lived with, been educated with, and loved will vote for such a horrible and hellish clown that we commonly know as GW BUSH.

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notnowdear 5 years, 7 months ago

restore reason, you are right. I meant the 2006 election that turned the eastern third of Kansas blue. My mistake.

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BuffyloGal 5 years, 7 months ago

Republicans would use his abduction as more proof of his superiority in foreign policy and they'd still vote for him.

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Pilgrim 5 years, 7 months ago

Looks like the Kansas delegation is the only group that heard Katy this week. There sure wasn't anybody listening to her in the Pepsi Center the other night.And of course she's going to say Barry can win. You really think she's going to get up in front of the Barry Boys (and girls) and tell them the truth, "We're really p*ssing up a rope here, folks?"Nah. She'll do her imitation of a three-year-old blowing out the candles on her birthday cake, and everybody in attendance will feel all warm and gooey about themselves; the sum and substance of the looney lefts accomplishment goals.

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bondmen 5 years, 7 months ago

Yes this is possible only if John McCain is abducted by aliens 3 days before the election.

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N_Trenched 5 years, 7 months ago

When you consider the ever growing entitlement crowd that is waiting for the "Cash Flow" to begin when Barry is elected, it is possible he pulls a state like Kansas. Fortunately, that crowd in Kansas hasn't reached the point it has in other states. The "Dims" are pushing for their symbiotic relationship with the "Entitlement" groups. Let's face it, without these programs, the Dimocratic party wouldn't exist. Gotta love pushing Socialism in order to stay in power! Oh, wait, everyone in the state is uneducated except for Douglas County.

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Centerville 5 years, 7 months ago

He won't carry Kansas. Sebelius has to say that to try to hold on to her standing with Obama. She signed on Rothschild as her stenographer so she can wave around a few headlines.

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KEITHMILES05 5 years, 7 months ago

I am a Pub who backs Obama. I do feel there will be more crossover votes than normal in the state but not sure if he can pull it off. I'd love to see it though.

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couranna1 5 years, 7 months ago

Obama could win in Kansas but he won't Kansas is too backward for that He will be prez but kansas votes republicant regardless of who runs

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situveux1 5 years, 7 months ago

Did Sebelius mean, "Barack Chalk Jayhawk?" I'm sure Hemenway wouldn't have a problem with that.

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Steve Jacob 5 years, 7 months ago

McCain will win Kansas. Obama just has to focus on taking Ohio and or Missouri (while keeping Penn. and Michigan).

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BigPrune 5 years, 7 months ago

Just how is Obama going to win Kansas?Big Prune is going to win Kansas. If nobody knew, I am an internet sensation. Thanks to a Maxim model, my name was put into the race. I even have a billboard in New York and a hot little old lady got a tramp stamp tattoo with MY name! Click the link to watch a report about ME, ME, ME!http://www.inews3.com/play.php?first=Big&last=Prune

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RestoreReason 5 years, 7 months ago

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beobachter 5 years, 7 months ago

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tennesseerader 5 years, 7 months ago

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Boeing 5 years, 7 months ago

Wow, notnowdear, notevenclosedear. 2 out of 105 counties went blue...TWO. RestoreReason is 100% correct. I see about the same happening this year...

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RestoreReason 5 years, 7 months ago

Notnowdear:That is not a true statement. Kerry carried just Douglas and Wyandotte in 2004. All the other counties in Kansas went for Bush.And then you question the intelligence of conservatives?

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notnowdear 5 years, 7 months ago

What i have noted is that not one conservative on this board has presented a good argument against Sebelius' words. But I do see a heck of a lot of petty thinking.The GOP used to have some intelligent people in it. I gather that they don't post on boards like this.

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notnowdear 5 years, 7 months ago

For those of you who think that only Lawrence and Wyandotte vote Blue, the election in 2004 saw the entire eastern third of Kansas turn blue in their voting.

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notnowdear 5 years, 7 months ago

So, refresh my memory. Some women won't vote this year because--why, exactly? We have carpool duties? We have to get to work?Our vote doesn't matter? It's raining?Last week, I went to a sparsely attended screening of HBO's newmovie 'Iron Jawed Angels.' It is a graphic depiction of the battlethese women waged so that I could pull the curtain at the pollingbooth and have my say. I am ashamed to say I needed the reminder.All these years later, voter registration is still my passion. But theactual act of voting had become less personal for me, more rote.Frankly, voting often felt more like an obligation than a privilege.Sometimes it was inconvenient.My friend Wendy, who is my age and studied women's history,saw the HBO movie, too. When she stopped by my desk to talkabout it, she looked angry. She was--with herself. 'One thoughtkept coming back to me as I watched that movie,' she said.'What would those women think of the way I use, or don't use,my right to vote? All of us take it for granted now, not justyounger women, but those of us who did seek to learn.' Theright to vote, she said, had become valuable to her 'all over again.'HBO released the movie on video and DVD . I wish all history,social studies and government teachers would include the movie intheir curriculum I want it shown on Bunco night, too, and anywhereelse women gather. I realize this isn't our usual idea of socializing,but we are not voting in the numbers that we should be, and I thinka little shock therapy is in order.It is jarring to watch Woodrow Wilson and his cronies try to persuadea psychiatrist to declare Alice Paul insane so that she could bepermanently institutionalized. And it is inspiring to watch thedoctor refuse. Alice Paul was strong, he said, and brave. That didn'tmake her crazy.The doctor admonished the men: 'Courage in women is often mistakenfor insanity.'We need to get out and vote and use this right that was fought sohard for by these very courageous women. Whether you vote democratic,republican or independent party - remember to vote.History is being made.

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KS 5 years, 7 months ago

smcf66 - I don't know what Queen Kathy is smoking, but if you want your vote to count, you better support the electoral college. Study it and you will find that without it, three states will determine the outcome of elections. New York, California and a toss up between Forida and Illinois. The electoral college is a brilliant plan. I want my vote to count. Not a popular vote. That is horrible idea.

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notnowdear 5 years, 7 months ago

I don't know who wrote this but I found it interesting (will continue post on next message if it is too long):I know many of you are very committed to participating in elections,but this is interesting anyway. I was totally unaware of thisincident until I received this email. I'm afraid we take our rightto vote and our status as full citizens in this country very much forgranted these days. See you at the polls!WHY WOMEN SHOULD VOTE.This is the story of our Grandmothers and Great-grandmothers; theylived only 90 years ago.Remember, it was not until 1920that women were granted the right to go to the polls and vote.The women were innocent and defenseless, but they were jailednonetheless for picketing the White House, carrying signs askingfor the vote.And by the end of the night, they were barely alive.Forty prison guards wielding clubs and their warden's blessingwent on a rampage against the 33 women wrongly convicted of'obstructing sidewalk traffic.'(Lucy Burns)They beat Lucy Burns, chained her hands to the cell bars aboveher head and left her hanging for the night, bleeding and gaspingfor air.(Dora Lewis)They hurled Dora Lewis into a dark cell, smashed herhead against an iron bed and knocked her out cold. Her cellmate,Alice Cosu, thought Lewis was dead and suffered a heart attack.Additional affidavits describe the guards grabbing, dragging,beating, choking, slamming, pinching, twisting and kicking the women.Thus unfolded the 'Night of Terror' on Nov. 15, 1917,when the warden at the Occoquan Workhouse in Virginia ordered hisguards to teach a lesson to the suffragists imprisoned there becausethey dared to picket Woodrow Wilson's White House for the rightto vote.For weeks, the women's only water came from an open pail. Theirfood--all of it colorless slop--was infested with worms.(Alice Paul)When one of the leaders, Alice Paul, embarked on a hunger strike,they tied her to a chair, forced a tube down her throat and pouredliquid into her until she vomited. She was tortured like this forweeks until word was smuggled out to the press.http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/suffrage/nwp/prisoners.pdf

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meggers 5 years, 7 months ago

Obama and Sebelius are part of the Denver Police Force? That's almost as amusing as McCain blaming Obama for the rise in fuel prices. Whatever gets you through the day, I suppose. Gobama.

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Andrew Stahmer 5 years, 7 months ago

All this talk about racists... One of the reasons I'm voting against O-blah-ma is because HE is a racist! What if I would have said "typical black person..." That'd make me a racist, right? Well, let's not forget about O-blah-ma's quote about his own grandma..."typical white person." Then of course there is his former racist church, his former racist pastor (all of which he lied about), plus plenty of current and former racist connections in his life. I've said it before and now I'm going to repeat it. O-blah-ma has as much business being in our White House as fellow racist David Duke. A racist is a racist is a racist...there is no place for any in our government.O-blah-ma '08...he changes so much that he's impossible to believe in!

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RestoreReason 5 years, 7 months ago

snap:And the Democrats want union elections to be out in the open. Hypocrites.

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

The DNC is also considering holding the roll call vote for the nomination out of sight of the public. Tsk, tsk.

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Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

Apparently the party of Sebelius and Obama is the party of secrecy to the point of manhandling and arresting a reporter who was a threat to the anonymity of their big donors."Police in Denver arrested an ABC News producer today as he and a camera crew were attempting to take pictures on a public sidewalk of Democratic Senators and VIP donors leaving a private meeting at the Brown's Palace Hotel. Police in Denver arrested an ABC News producer today as he and a camera crew were attempting to take pictures on a public sidewalk of Democratic Senators and VIP donors leaving a private meeting at the Brown's Palace Hotel.Police on the scene refused to tell ABC lawyers the charges against the producer, Asa Eslocker, who works with the ABC News investigative unit. A police official later told lawyers for ABC News that Eslocker is being charged with trespass, interference, and failure to follow a lawful order. He also said the arrest followed a signed complaint from the Brown Palace Hotel. Eslocker was put in handcuffs and loaded in the back of a police van which headed for a nearby police station.Video taken at the scene shows a hotel security guard, wearing the uniform of a Boulder County sheriff, ordering Eslocker off the sidewalk in front of the hotel, to the side of the entrance. The sheriff's officer is seen telling Eslocker the sidewalk is owned by the hotel. Later he is seen pushing Eslocker off the sidewalk into oncoming traffic, forcing him to the other side of the street. About 15 minutes later, on-duty Denver police arrived and placed Eslocker under arrest after Eslocker asked why he was being ordered away from the front of the hotel. Dozens of pedestrians can be seen walking by the hotel, located in the heart of downtown Denver. Eslocker and his ABC News colleagues are spending the week investigating the role of corporate lobbyists and wealthy donors at the convention for a series of Money Trail reports on ABC World News with Charles Gibson. "Now we know what Obama means by "change." Bye-bye freedom of the press! Hello Gestapo tactics.http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventions/story?id=5668622&page=1

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logicsound04 5 years, 7 months ago

Just matching the class of the PUMAs, snap.But no, I don't want to be compared to Marion in any way except as his opposite.

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The_Original_Bob 5 years, 7 months ago

"Sebelius says Obama could win Kansas"She be crazy.How many times has Obama campaigned in Kansas? I think the answer to that question will give you an idea of what he thinks about his own chances.

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BABBOY 5 years, 7 months ago

Opps, sorry, with the exception of logicsound04, it just occurred to me that most everyone else probably did not understand the sports analogy. Nevermind.....

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BABBOY 5 years, 7 months ago

KU won 12 game in football including the Orange Bowl and then wins the national championship in basketball with Roy Williams wearing a KU sticker in support. Ah, that is nuts. That could never have happened.Unlikely that Kansas will end its stupid trend of being a red state. But, it could happen. Heck, it might even be more likely then what happened in football and basketball last year. I still cannot get over that silly sticker Roy was wearing and how it affected his UNC fans.Lots can happen.

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smcf66 5 years, 7 months ago

DO AWAY WITH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE!!!I WANT MY VOTE TO COUNT IN KANSAS

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RonBurgandy 5 years, 7 months ago

dweezil222 - that site is pretty interesting. I wonder how good their accuracy really is...I wish that there was a real chance that Obama could with Kansas, but I think it's more slim to none. Presidential elections tend to bring out more people, and, unfortunately, this state has a lot of far-rightist.

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

Stay classy there, logic. You're starting to use * like Marion does. Do you really want to go that low?

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Confrontation 5 years, 7 months ago

This will never happen as long as fools in this state keep worshipping jerks like KKK Kline. McCain will win Kansas because there are too many uneducated racists within the borders. Oh, and there are also a few educated racists (if you believe the education claims of some posters on here).

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dweezil222 5 years, 7 months ago

LiberalDude (Anonymous) says: I agree with the governor. I think Obama has a good chance to win Kansas. The polls are wrong because they don't take into account all the young voters who have unlisted cell phones instead of land lines.===================================Your theory ignores the fact that young people tend to vote in VERY low numbers, percentage-wise. Although I will give you that it looks like this election could bring out a few more than usual.For a good line on predicting how this election will go, check out this site. He's generally very good at calling how a state will go, and how close it will be.http://uselectionatlas.org/PRED/PRESIDENT/2008/pred.phpRight now he has Kansas tabbed at 60-40 McCain. I disagree a bit with his percentages, but I think the end result is the same.I should note, however, that his breakdown has Obama winning the states that count, and topping McCain by a reasonably healthy margin. Given how relatively unattractive to voters both candidates are in their own respective ways, I'm looking forward to a good November slugfest.

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logicsound04 5 years, 7 months ago

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campbellinsurance 5 years, 7 months ago

Is she sipping kool-aid or what? He can't even run a convention, how is he going to run the country? This is not the Obama convention but the Clinton convention. Who had the bright idea of spreading Bill and Hill over 2 days? This has to be the worst convention since 1968. When is someone going to tell America on how is experienced and prepared to be President.Give Kathy credit for towing the company line but Obama has no shot, in fact McCain will get a higher % than Bush did.

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coleman1951 5 years, 7 months ago

Let's just hope that by the grace of God, he doesn't get Kansas or to many other states. As far as a black candidate, I would have voted for Colin Powell in a heartbeat. A man proud to wear his flag and a wife that's proud of her country too. OK you slammers, have at it, start knocking this comment. Ready, Set, Go

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

16TH STREET MALL -- Chanting "I own my vote" and "elected, not selected" a group of about a half-dozen Hillary Clinton supporters rallied this morning at a busy downtown street corner.The group seemed to draw more condemnation from passersby then the group of John McCain supporters who took the PUMAs' place after the women moved on.Wearing bright orange shirts and hats festooned with Hillary Clinton buttons and stickers, the group of PUMAs converged at the corner of 16th and Lawrence streets.Their chanting riled up several passersby.Wearing a Barack Obama button on his shirt, Tim Tribbet, 38, of Denver stopped on his bike to confront the women."You guys going to vote for the war monger?" Tribbet said. "You going to vote for McCain?"The women chanted louder in response."Are they really going to ignore the popular vote?" retorted PUMA Marie Peacock of Santa Cruz, Calif.Peacock was hesitant to give her name at first, claiming that Obama supporters had been tracking down PUMAs whose names appeared in print, posting their address and phone numbers on the blogosphere.The PUMA PAC, or the People United Means Action political action committee, was founded by Clinton supporter Darragh Murphy after Obama was officially slated as the Democratic party's nominee, drawing the ire of thousands of die-hard Clinton loyalists."Obama has more baggage than Paris Hilton," Peacock said. "The gloves are off Aug. 28."http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/27/pumas-growl-16th-street-mall/

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RestoreReason 5 years, 7 months ago

Obama can't get elected in Kansas. In fact, if you eliminated the cesspool in Cook County, Obama could not get elected in Illinois.

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spiderman 5 years, 7 months ago

will either the governor or Obama address these issues?class warChomsky quotes the late John Deweyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbtpNb...

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LiberalDude 5 years, 7 months ago

I agree with the governor. I think Obama has a good chance to win Kansas. The polls are wrong because they don't take into account all the young voters who have unlisted cell phones instead of land lines.

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LogicMan 5 years, 7 months ago

"Sebelius says Obama could win Kansas"Not with that VP pick, sorry. And Obama calling KC St. Louis won't help on the MO side.

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dweezil222 5 years, 7 months ago

The hell you say. Sorry, Kansas hasn't gone blue since LBJ. Couple that with the fact that a large portion of the state will be scared off by a black candidate, terrible though that may be. I like Obama, but there's no way in hell he wins the state. He'll dominate in Wyandotte and Douglas county, but I don't think he's capable of pulling Johnson County, which is a must, since Wichita is now as Republican a place as anywhere in the country. Even if he wins Johnson County, he's going to have to win it by a decent margin, which I don't see happening.

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davidnta 5 years, 7 months ago

KU and Lawerence are liberal strongholds. I don't know if Obama can take Kansas, but Kansas would be for the better if he does.

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Nick Vaughan 5 years, 7 months ago

Sebelius is wrong. I suppose she thinks Kansas is one of those 57 states that Obama visited.....

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RestoreReason 5 years, 7 months ago

She ended her speech with "Rock Chalk Jayhawk"?Reminds me of the movie "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure" when the jock gave a presentation that meandered and had no point. He ended his speech with "San Dimas High School football rules!" and received a big round of applause.

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