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McCain criticizes Obama for getting ‘a little testy’

August 21, 2008

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¢ Sen. Joe Biden has emerged as the favorite among Democrats to be Barack Obama's running mate for his understanding of foreign policy in grave global times and his fighting spirit against the rival Republican ticket. Obama is expected to announce his decision by Saturday.

¢ Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani will give the keynote address at the Republican National Convention next month and Democrat-turned-independent Sen. Joe Lieberman also will take center stage at the GOP gathering.

— Republican presidential candidate John McCain chided his Democratic rival on Wednesday for getting "a little testy" as Barack Obama sharpened his tone amid a tightening White House race that gets nastier by the day.

"I honor his service. I don't honor his policies. I don't honor his politics," Obama said, taking on his GOP opponent with renewed vigor while some Democrats fret that their candidate has not been aggressive enough.

Both candidates also unveiled fresh attack advertisements ahead of their back-to-back national conventions.

Trying anew to tie McCain to the unpopular President Bush, Obama's TV commercial asks: "Can we really afford more of the same?" It slams McCain's tax plan as a giveaway for big corporations and oil companies. McCain's radio ad claims: "Celebrities like to spend their millions. Barack Obama is no different. Only it's your money he wants to spend."

Democrats are questioning whether Obama has a second act beyond his message of change and wondering whether he can throw an effective punch against a Republican Party willing to play hardball.

Obama was confronted by those concerns at a town hall meeting in Virginia on Wednesday, when a woman told him McCain was running a lot of negative ads in the state.

"You think you can win by taking the higher ground? I worry about you," the woman said, but Obama insisted he was up for the fight.

"I'm skinny but I'm tough. We will hit back with the truth," the Illinois senator said. "We intend to win this election."

Republicans, in turn, are emboldened by improving poll numbers: Even ardent critics of McCain's campaign see a way he could win although Bush's unpopularity remains a drag and war and economic distress have created a dreadful political environment for the GOP.

New national polls show McCain starting to close a summerlong Obama edge.

The Pew Research Center's latest survey found Obama at 46 percent and McCain at 43 percent, tighter than the 8-percentage-point gap just two months ago. The survey found that McCain has solidified his base support, particularly among whites, men, Republicans and evangelicals.

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

Tangential, you're not capable of doing either side.

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tangential_reasoners_anonymous 5 years, 8 months ago

cato: "A "hippocracy" would describe a government run by horses."Satirical: "I thought it was a government overrun by hungry, hungry hippos." You're both wrong. A hippocracy is one which... FIRST, does no harm. No, you're wrong, tange. "First, do no harm" does NOT come from the Hippocratic Oath... at best, it is an allusion of the Hippocratic Corpus. tange: "So, I'm right?" ( I hate it when I have to do both sides. )

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janeyb 5 years, 8 months ago

If McCain is as explosive as people are saying, Obama should be able to reveal that in the debates. Might make them worth watching. However, I'm willing to bet that Obama can throw a pretty good tantrum himself and he was never a POW.

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MCwzMC 5 years, 8 months ago

Ideological issues aside, McCain will definably continue one of Bush's most important policies --- Bush's policy of making hilarious, unpredictable, and downright stupid video blunders.

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

Here's an interesting bit that doesn't rely on the hearsay of anonymous sources:http://www.gop.com/images/research/082108Research1.pdf

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Frank Smith 5 years, 8 months ago

Just heard the last moment or two of an interview on Talk of the Nation, of a writer who claimed that McSame isn't "pandering." Well, maybe with the Jerry Falwell biz, he concurred, when pressed. And he didn't see "any evidence of out of control anger." What box was he hiding under? Johnny Mac has been raging for years, sometimes on camera as another poster pointed out. From a less sympathetic biographer: "Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, 'You're getting a little thin up there.' McCain's face reddened, and he responded, 'At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c***.' McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days. [The Real McCain, PoliPoint Press, 2008.]Individuals subjected to the hell in which McCain found himself for years in Viet Nam typically suffer long lasting neurological dysfunction. Sometime's that's called "PTSD." It can even be seen in those who have suffered all but the briefest comas. I have a temper myself, so it's not that I don't empathize with McCain. On the other hand, I'm not running for President. If I used that language with my wife, particularly in front of reporters, I'd quickly be looking for a new place to live.

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 8 months ago

McCain's approach, wisdom and well-seasoned politics will probably cause Obama to have a meltdown, whether just not answering/rebutting worth a damn, or whether he just "snaps" sometime during what I understand to be three debates (and one VP debate) and simply implodes right in front of millions of Americans. Then, Howard Dean and Co. will ramp up the propaganda while the crooked media brushes over it and tries to polish up the turd they have produced.

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gl0ck0wnr 5 years, 8 months ago

Why is McCain talking about Obama's testies?

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max1 5 years, 8 months ago

"Would you rather have them spend your money on other countries' problems (that we may or may not have had anything to do with), or would you rather they spend your money on projects designed to help the country you live in?" -FMT6488Well, fortunately our economy is surging along at a wonderful pace with no inflation in sight, and those naysayers who believe we are not prospering are psychologically damaged.August 20, 2008http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGZ5wqFMmUS4&refer=homeAug. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Rising prices for meat, dairy products, cooking oil and fresh produce may accelerate U.S. food inflation this year at the fastest pace since 1980, the government said in a report.Food-price gains may be as much as 6 percent this yearAug 20, 2008http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/dnc---mccain-watch-mccain/story.aspx?guid=%7B1ED3ECC0-ED58-440F-8727-2D9DA9191784%7D&dist=hpprIn the January 2008 Republican debate, McCain commented, "I think you could argue that Americans overall are better off, because we have had a pretty good prosperous time, with low unemployment and low inflation and a lot of good things have happened. A lot of jobs have been created." McCain said, "I think, psychologically - and a lot of our problems today, as you know, are psychological - confidence, trust, uncertainty about our economic future, ability to keep our own home." McCain said that his gas holiday will give people a psychological boost and that solving the mortgage crisis would be a major psychological step forward. [FOX News, "Your World With Neil Cavuto," 4/16/08

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FMT6488 5 years, 8 months ago

McCain's radio ad claims: "Celebrities like to spend their millions. Barack Obama is no different. Only it's your money he wants to spend." Actually, ALL politicians like to spend other peoples money. The REAL question is: H O W they spend it. Would you rather have them spend your money on other countries' problems (that we may or may not have had anything to do with), or would you rather they spend your money on projects designed to help the country you live in?

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max1 5 years, 8 months ago

I'm wanting to see McCain fly into a hissy fit at the upcoming debates, like this one that he threw at the Senate Select Committee hearings on pow/mia affairshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwTKM_...

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

"The idea McCain is pushing that Obama is responsible for high oil prices is ludicrous."Correct, all the Democrats in Congress are the responsible parties.

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HMcMellon 5 years, 8 months ago

I used to be a McCain fan, but I have come to realize that his image as a "maverick" is just an act. His voted for all the bills that have created all the problems, including the economic ones. Further, his recent boldface lies and his kissing up to Bush and the oil companies is just too much. McCain says in his hateful commercials that Obama wants to raise our taxes. From what I read, the only taxes Obama wants to raise are those on oil companies and on people making a million dollars or more per year. That has no effect on me except for helping balance the Federal budget and giving strength to the dollar so that it doesn't take as many dollars to buy a barrel of oil. That is good for me because it will lower gasoline prices. It is good that Obama wants to get out of Iraq. That will save another $200 to $500 per year (several thousand per person in the US). It is interesting that everything Obama proposed about Iraq and other foreign policies six months ago, Bush is now doing. That says a lot for Obama's leadership when the a lameduck President is following the ideas of the candidate from the other Party. Even McCain is starting to talk like Obama.The idea McCain is pushing that Obama is responsible for high oil prices is ludicrous. It was McCain and the other Neocons who got us into this mess where we are borrowing trillions from the commies in China and the totalitarians in the Middle East to fight a war that was based on lies. The resulting drop in the value of the dollar caused by budget deficits is the main reason gas prices are so high. McCain says he wants a balanced budget, but he also wants to give more tax cuts to the super rich and waste even more money on the military-industrial complex. That just doesn't add up except as more of the same but much, much worse. McCain is dumber than Bush and more dangerous.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 8 months ago

"So they are justified in any action because of past slavery and oppression?"No.

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

Jaywalker, I simply get a mental picture of (the late) Bozo the Clown.

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jaywalker 5 years, 8 months ago

Why is it that whenever I read a 'bozo comment' I get the mental picture of the guy that Forrest Gump slaps down in the middle of the Black Panther Party?

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Satirical 5 years, 8 months ago

Whoops, forgot the quotes in my last post. The first sentence is quoted from "bozo"

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Satirical 5 years, 8 months ago

Black Liberation Theology has certainly had its ideological and rhetorical excesses, but they come as a response to the very real oppression black people suffered under the twin institutions of capitalism and slavery. So they are justified in any action because of past slavery and oppression? If that is what Obama thinks, then we are in trouble.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 8 months ago

Black Liberation Theology has certainly had its ideological and rhetorical excesses, but they come as a response to the very real oppression black people suffered under the twin institutions of capitalism and slavery. But where do the ideological and rhetorical excesses of the racist, white apologists so well represented on these forums come from? From their nearly hysterical need to prop up their fairy tales about the divine founding of their White America, and the denial of the fact that genocide, slavery and theft were critical in creating the wealth and social advantages that white folks in this country enjoy.

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Satirical 5 years, 8 months ago

Black liberation theologyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liberation_theologyThis theology maintains that African Americans must be liberated from multiple forms of bondage - social, political, economic and religious.Morley's paper "The Goals Of Black Liberal Theology" is one widely quoted paper citing specific criticisms of black theology. He states that black theology turns religion into sociology, and Jesus into a black Marxist rebel. Anthony Bradley of the Christian Post interprets that the language of "economic parity" and references to "mal-distribution" as nothing more than channeling the views of Karl Marx.He believes James Cone and Cornel West have worked to incorporate Marxist thought into the black church, forming an ethical framework predicated on a system of oppressor class versus a victim much like Marxism.[31]Stanley Kurtz of the National Review criticizes black liberation theology, saying, "A scarcely concealed, Marxist-inspired indictment of American capitalism pervades contemporary 'black-liberation theology'...The black intellectual's goal, says Cone, is to "aid in the destruction of America as he knows it." Such destruction requires both black anger and white guilt. The black-power theologian's goal is to tell the story of American oppression so powerfully and precisely that white men will "tremble, curse, and go mad, because they will be drenched with the filth of their evil." In the preface to his 1970 book, A Black Theology of Liberation, Wright wrote: "There will be no peace in America until whites begin to hate their whiteness, asking from the depths of their being: 'How can we become black?'"[32]

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Satirical 5 years, 8 months ago

Compare liberation theology to black liberation theology:.Liberation theologyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberati..."Therefore, these theologians use sociology and economics sciences to understand poverty, since they considered poverty was the source of sin. In the sixties, when they started this line of thought, social sciences in Latin America and Europe were dominated by marxist activism[citation needed] and methodologies derived from historical materialism, which influenced the development of Liberation theology. It emphasizes the Christian mission to bring justice to the poor and oppressed, particularly through political activism.Some theologians emphasize those parts of the Bible where Jesus' mission is described not in terms of bringing peace (social order) but bringing a sword (social unrest), e.g. Matthew 10:34, Luke 22:35-38 and Matthew 26:51-52. These passages are interpreted, literally by some, as a call to arms, to carry out a Christian mission of justice. Marxist concepts such as the doctrine of perpetual class struggle are also significant.Among the several essays published on liberation theology in the 1970s, one of the most famous is by the Peruvian Catholic priest, Fr. Gustavo Gutierrez, O.P. In his 1972 book, A Theology of Liberation, he theorized a combination of Marxism and the social-Catholic teachings contributing to a socialist current in the Church."

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

Satirical, your assumption is understandable. The ancient Greek word for "horse" is "hippos." Our word "hippopotamus" is derived from two Greek words that, when joined together, literally mean "river horse." Thankfully, the word "hippies" has nothing to do with either of them, unless one considers the primary slang name for heroin, which is "horse."

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Phil Minkin 5 years, 8 months ago

From Wikipedia:Black theology is a form of liberation theology that has its center in the theme of oppression of black people by white people.[1] According to James H. Cone, it came out of the "need for black people to define the scope and meaning of black existence in a white society"[citation needed], and emerged in the last two decades in the wave of liberation movements as an expression of "black consciousness". Black theology is focused on the issues that blacks are confronted with on a daily basis.[edit]

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

Did McCain actually say that or is it another "fake but accurate" quote?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 8 months ago

"In the aftermath of slavery (remember that?)"And slavery still existed within living memory for millions of black Americans-- defacto slavery was still rampant, enforced through the sheriffs' departments and courts in the deep south until WWII.

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Satirical 5 years, 8 months ago

"...it is perhaps understandable that some black folks were drawn to a more radical ideology"That doesn't make it right today.Black liberation theology is an extention from liberation theology which was essentially a Marxist revolution with a religious twist. Black liberation theology is a Marxist with a racial and religious twist.

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jafs 5 years, 8 months ago

This is not to defend pastor Wright, but black liberation theology developed at a time in which black people did not have equal rights in this country.In the aftermath of slavery (remember that?), and the failure of post-slavery attempts to gain equality, it is perhaps understandable that some black folks were drawn to a more radical ideology.

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Satirical 5 years, 8 months ago

cato..."A "hippocracy" would describe a government run by horses."I thought it was a government overrun by hungry, hungry hippos.It is funny that some liberals think Obama is taking the "high ground" even after he has launched numerous attack ads.

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madmike 5 years, 8 months ago

Nothing spells religion like 20 years in a black liberation theology church. And I find it funny that Mr. Daytraitor, the foreign living leftist wants to talk about religion at all.

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

Daytraitor, it's "hypocrisy." A "hippocracy" would describe a government run by horses. By the way, what "family values" in particular did your "more religious" candidate learn in his 20 years under the tutelage of one of his closest mentors, Jeremiah Wright?

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Daytrader23 5 years, 8 months ago

Mr. Anger Management saying Obama is getting testy? McSame's hippocracy never ceases to impress me.And what about Family Values? McSame has none. I thought one of the core values for the right wing besides religion is family values? Hmmmm, it seems Obama is not only more religious but has 10 times more family values than Johnny boy, and what about his pill popping wife who steals from her own charity. Worse than the Clinton's they are. Obama 08!

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