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Wakarusa Fest may not play on

Organizer compares music festival with Manhattan event, claims discrimination

An aerial view of the Wakarusa Camping & Music Festival 2008.

An aerial view of the Wakarusa Camping & Music Festival 2008.

August 10, 2008


Wakarusa Fest may not play on

A Wakarusa founder and promoter is threatening to pull the plug on the music festival because of how the event and its patrons are treated by authorities. Enlarge video

Damian Conrad-Davis, left, of Lamoni, Iowa, and Abby Hernandez, right, of Kansas City, Mo., sing along to State Radio on June 7 at the Wakarusa Music and Camping Festival at Clinton Lake. Festival organizer Brett Mosiman has accused the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks of discriminating against the 'hippie' crowd that attends the event by charging more, and he said the music festival may not return to Clinton State Park as a result.

Damian Conrad-Davis, left, of Lamoni, Iowa, and Abby Hernandez, right, of Kansas City, Mo., sing along to State Radio on June 7 at the Wakarusa Music and Camping Festival at Clinton Lake. Festival organizer Brett Mosiman has accused the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks of discriminating against the 'hippie' crowd that attends the event by charging more, and he said the music festival may not return to Clinton State Park as a result.

Revelers enjoy the Country Stampede, a music and camping festival that takes place at Tuttle Creek State Park near Manhattan. Brett Mosiman, organizer of the Wakarusa Music and Camping Festival, doesn't like differences in the attendance caps between the two events, a significantly higher law enforcement bill for Wakarusa, and inequities in rent rates between the two events.

Revelers enjoy the Country Stampede, a music and camping festival that takes place at Tuttle Creek State Park near Manhattan. Brett Mosiman, organizer of the Wakarusa Music and Camping Festival, doesn't like differences in the attendance caps between the two events, a significantly higher law enforcement bill for Wakarusa, and inequities in rent rates between the two events.

2008 Wakarusa Music and Camping Festival

The fifth annual Wakarusa Music and Camping Festival starts on June 5th and runs through June 8th. Organizers are planning on more than 13,500 guests, which would make Clinton State Park the second-largest city in Douglas County until the festival wraps up. See videos, photo galleries, the Wak Talk blog, Best Bets, and more about the Wakarusa Fest.

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Lawrence may have partied at its last Wakarusa Music and Camping Festival.

Festival promoter Brett Mosiman has accused the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks of bigotry and said he won't return the festival to Clinton State Park unless the department changes how it treats the event and its largely "hippie" crowd.

"The situation reeks of discrimination," Mosiman said.

An attorney with the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks denied that charge, but Mosiman said it's clear the department has something against Wakarusa's crowd or music when the terms of his festival's contract are compared with the terms of the Country Stampede, a music and camping festival at Tuttle Creek State Park near Manhattan.

Mosiman points to differences in the attendance caps between the two events, a significantly higher law enforcement bill for Wakarusa, and inequities in rent rates between the two events.

"You can say cowboys are cool and hippies drool, but not if you're behind the state seal of Kansas," Mosiman said. "It is profiling, it is discrimination, it is like saying the black kids can't use the pool."

Amy Thornton, staff attorney for wildlife and parks, said Mosiman has made the claims of discrimination and bigotry in past contract negotiations, and each time the department has provided reasonable explanations for the differences in the two contracts.

"We've heard that over and over again," Thornton said of the bigotry claim. "But, frankly, it is the management of the festival we're concerned about, not the people there."

A Stampede subsidy

An analysis of the contracts for the two events found a significant difference in how the festivals are required to pay for law enforcement costs.

The contract for the Wakarusa Festival requires Mosiman's company to reimburse the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks for park rangers, game wardens and other department personnel who help with law enforcement and security at the event. For this year's festival, that cost is estimated at $30,000.

But the contract for the Country Stampede does not require the department to be reimbursed. That's despite the department spending "several thousand" dollars to have 20 to 25 department personnel at the four-day event, said Todd Lovin, park manager for Tuttle Creek State Park.

To Mosiman, the difference is an indication that the state is trying to make it more difficult for the Wakarusa Festival to turn a profit. Mosiman said the festival has lost money the last two years.

"We feel like we are being targeted," Mosiman said. "They are making illogical and penal decisions to snuff out our event, to chase our event out of town."

Thornton again denied that the department is trying to put the festival out of business, but conceded she was unsure why the Stampede was not being required to reimburse the department for its personnel expenses.

"It has always been that way, but that is not really a good answer," Thornton said.

Thornton said the department will look at adding the reimbursement requirement to the Stampede contract when it expires in two years.

Rent dispute

The $30,000 payment the Wakarusa Festival made to the department is in addition to about $56,000 the festival paid to the Douglas County Sheriff's Department and the county's dispatch service for law enforcement at the event. The Stampede paid $26,500 in 2007 for similar services, said Pottawatomie County Sheriff Greg Riat.

In addition, Wakarusa paid the department $65,000 in rent for use of the state park grounds. The Stampede paid $71,000.

Mosiman said the Stampede should be paying significantly more in law enforcement and rent costs because it is a substantially larger event. The state caps Wakarusa's daily attendance at 13,500 people. Stampede's attendance is capped at 30,000 people per day.

"It is hard to defend that despite the other event being three to four times larger, our event pays three to four times the law enforcement bill," Mosiman said.

Thornton - who noted her department does not control how much the sheriff's departments charge - said the Wakarusa Festival has had its problems in the past. In 2005, a festival attendee died from a drug overdose. In 2006, more than 80 people were arrested at the festival, including 12 for LSD offenses and 25 for marijuana violations.

"The drug use was very rampant," Thornton said. "We had to make a statement that this is a music festival, not a drug festival."

But the Stampede has had its low point as well. In 1997 - the festival's first year - an argument between a husband and wife led to a stabbing death. And Riat said that typically at least one sexual assault is reported each year at the festival.

Uncertain future

Mosiman said he's looking at moving the festival out of state in 2009. Attendance at the festival has dropped from a high of 16,000 in 2006 to about 10,000 this year.

He said the attendance cap, which has declined from 30,000 in the festival's first year in 2004 to the present 13,500, has made it difficult to book major acts, which affects attendance.

Mosiman said the festival won't return to Clinton State Park unless Wakarusa is given terms on par with those of the Stampede.

That doesn't appear likely. Jerry Schecher, park manager at Clinton State Park, said he doesn't think that Wakarusa can ever have as many attendees as the Stampede is allowed. He said the fact that Clinton State Park has only one entrance in and out of the park is a major difference than the situation at Tuttle Creek.

"We've worked really closely with law enforcement and fire and medical folks to determine what is a safe number," Schecher said. "We have set it at 13,500, and I don't expect us to ever go over that."

The acrimony between Mosiman and the department also may not bode well for the prospects of a new contract. Thornton said the department still was willing to work with Mosiman, but also indicated that it wasn't afraid to lose the event.

"I'm not sure giving ultimatums to us is going to work that well," said Thornton, when told that Mosiman plans to leave if not given a friendlier contract.

Thornton said the department would be hard-pressed to compromise on many of the points because department leaders think Mosiman has not always lived up to his end of their agreements. She disclosed that the Wakarusa Festival in past years had been late in paying vendors, had violated the contract's quiet zone provisions, and had missed several deadlines for presenting security and traffic control plans.

Mosiman did not deny the issues, but said he's confident that they are not what has caused the disagreement. Mosiman instead said he hopes to get city leaders and state legislators riled about the issue. He said the Lawrence economy is missing out on millions of dollars in economic activity because the festival is being stifled.

Thus far, though, local leaders haven't taken up that cause. When Lawrence city commissioners were asked in December to sign a letter supporting the festival, Lawrence Police Chief Ron Olin issued a memo citing several safety and law enforcement concerns with the festival. The letter ultimately was sent without the city's signature.

This week, state Rep. Tom Sloan, R-Lawrence, also declined to get in the middle of the dispute. He previously had mediated a meeting between Wakarusa organizers and the state, but he now says the issues are ones that should be worked out in contract negotiations.

"I don't think it is an issue for the Legislature," Sloan said.


Maracas 9 years, 8 months ago

How would festival goers bring in millions of dollars if they're downtown for days before the fest panhandling everyone who walks by?

doc1 9 years, 8 months ago

Merrill. Decriminalizing marijuana has it's downfalls also. Look at the healthcare problems from tobacco. Who pays for those doctor bills? Not the guy sitting in his trailer chainsmoking.. It's the people who actually have to pay for insurance. Weed would bring a handfull of other problems for us.

cato_the_elder 9 years, 8 months ago

Mr. Mosiman, we're tired of you, the unsavory hippie-wannabes and their concomitant illegal activities that your "festival" attracts, and, most of all, your perennial complaining. Your "festival" is something of which the responsible people of Douglas County are fed up and can easily do without. Get the hell out, and don't come back.

smartmomma 9 years, 8 months ago

Correction from ljworld :The situation reeks of discrimination," Mosiman saidThey meant to say "The situation reeks of HIPPIES " Mosiman said

nobody1793 9 years, 8 months ago

I can't believe that he thinks not wanting a music festival is eqivilant to the segregation of blacks.

trinity 9 years, 8 months ago

what about having wak fest out at tuttle creek? a different month/weekend than the stampede? just a thought...never have been to the wak, but have gone to several stampedes, long time ago; heh-trust me, there was plenty of questionable behaviors and all sorts of mind altering chemical use going on out in the campgrounds, heck even in the crowds!

Quigly 9 years, 8 months ago

So where will the hottenknots go? should have kept it a music festival and kept the whole "Jam Band" theme quiet. Isn't it obvious there is going to be profiling? I mean, this has been going on since the '60's? But I have been to every one, and it seems that maybe a third of the attendees even have enough money for a day. But really, what I am saying is how obvious this situation was going to get. It was going on from the beginning and now it is an issue after it has become a fairly large and well known gathering. Jam Bands = hippies and the profile with it. Funny though, the jerks begging for money to buy beer to re-sell for double. Up yours you stinkin hippie capitalists!

Baille 9 years, 8 months ago

Kansas Government: As dumb and as shortsighted as you think.

local_support 9 years, 8 months ago

And with that, Wakarusa becomes a five year footnote in the national festival scene. A huge thank you needs to go out to all the local folks and businesses who helped make Wakarusa such an exceptional event. Lawrence is truly an extraordinary place and folks shouldn't be quick to forget that.It would be great if everyone used this space to share whatever memories they have of the festival. The good, the bad, and that guy eating bark.

Steve Jacob 9 years, 8 months ago

Part of the blame also has to do with the weather and bad luck from this year. Two nights washed out, and second biggest act canceled. Would you buy advanced ticket in 2009 after the mess this year?

Moderateguy 9 years, 8 months ago

He (Mosiman) said the Lawrence economy is missing out on millions of dollars in economic activity because the festival is being stifled.Dang that coffee burns when it comes out my nose... Please, the only thing taking a hit is munchies, beer and ice at HyVee. The other thing we'll miss out on are all the "travelers" that seem to stick around bumming change for a couple of months after the festival. See ya Brett, your economic stimulus, I can live without.

Richard Heckler 9 years, 8 months ago

Cowboys do drugs too. They only dress a bit different. Plenty of old and new CW stars have histories of drug addictions which can be easily documented. The crowds are not that much different when it comes time to have fun. Cowboys and cowgirls are not beyond smoking a little marijuana. Decriminalizing marijauna would save taxpayers a bundle.

domovik 9 years, 8 months ago

I say let 'em leave! It's a pain to deal with and I'm tired of the dirty hippies and the noise. Mosiman threatens this each year but he never follows through with it simply because no one else will have his festival and their antics. I'd like to see him find some other place where the law enforcement will put up with all the crap that goes on out there. I doubt that state legislators really care about this festival all that much to get all 'riled' about it anyway. Unless of course they join in the festival with some of the drug interactions themselves.

rtwngr 9 years, 8 months ago

Gee Brett, I think I'm going to say good bye too. I really think it causes a big mess for everybody concerned and there is little to any benefit that comes of a weekend of "peace, love and dope".

greenworld 9 years, 8 months ago

Move it to Jefferson County, there is nothing there except weeds and meth labs so it could fit right in. I read once it was trying to be moved out to circle S ranch which seems reasonable or better yet rim rock farm. I know Circle S is starving for anybody or business to come out. I would look into these places and you will find that nobody cares about people getting drunk, stoned, shroomed or whatever takes place. Jeff Co sheriffs will only come out there once and warn you however and then they will have other calls to worry about. I must warn you however they might join in for a beer or puff or two..... lol

Jim Williamson 9 years, 8 months ago

Yes, the wookies who attended Wakfest were dirty and lazy and smelled, but I'm the father of two teenagers, so I'm used to that. But don't stand around downtown and in front of Dillon's the week before the show trying to bum change so you can either get baked or, as someone else said, buy beer that you're going to sell at Royals Stadium price at the show. That's pathetic. I won't miss Wakfest a bit.

fonz73 9 years, 8 months ago

ChristmasCarol ---Um, what??? I thought MY ADHD was bad...And for the record, the people than run (ran?) Wak had nothing to do with Omega.

hwarangdo 9 years, 8 months ago

Well folks, think I'll just mosey on down to the Walnut Valley Bluegrass Festival ... much mellower crowd and people there don't really give an owl's hoot about the difference between rednecks and hippies ... they just like good music. And before someone breaks out the "stats" - I don't really give a dang about that. Ya'll just keep spoutin' your hate and vile vomit - we'll bottle it up and sell it for beer at the stampede. Should sell like hotcakes. Rednecks love to hate. That's America ... land of the "free" but only if you're on the "right" side of the coin. Decadent rock 'n roll - communists hate it; since commies hate it, rednecks must be commies too.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 9 years, 8 months ago

ChristmasCarol: "Intangible Reasoning Unlimited-I have never had a Career or family to have a Christmas with because of people like you." "I have no idea what's going on." - Towelie

DaREEKKU 9 years, 8 months ago

Marion, if by "diversity" you mean total arse-holes then yes. You do see quite a bit here this morning.

Sigmund 9 years, 8 months ago

Didn't the City take in a ton of money in fines and court costs for those sixty busts? Didn't local attorneys get paid to defend them? Quit your whining you babies!

BigPrune 9 years, 8 months ago

How many hillbillies have been arrested on drug charges per attendance vs. hippies being arrested on drug charges per attendance at each respective music festival?That answer I'm sure is the reason why the hippies feel they are getting discriminated against.

57chevy 9 years, 8 months ago

Interesting comments from both sides of the issue. As far as the police presence, I went the year they stomped through everybodies campsites harrassing and intimidating EVERYBODY (not just the potsmokers). It was clearly intended to send a message (Welcome to Kansas, now get the F out). And judging by the falling attendance, it seems to be working. Judging by these comments, a significant segment of the population seems to feel like this is the right thing to do. I would certainly try and find a place like Tennessee (home of Bonnaroo, a festival like Wakarusa) where people are a bit more cultured and open-minded. Avoiding the obvious caveat, a vocal minority should not speak for the majority, it does not seem like Kansas (including Lawrence) is up to hosting a music festival that doesn't include Tammy Wynnette. Missouri has a lot of parks and frindly people. I'd be gald to drive over there and spend my money. As far as the Hippies are concerned, there were a lot of scruffy little dudes running around acting stupid and I wish there were less of them too, but if you attended Wakarusa, you know they too are a small vocal minority that do not represent the concert-goers as a whole. Most of the other thousands of people did go into town, eat, and spend money.See you at Winfield, now the only good music show left in Kansas.

conservativepunker 9 years, 8 months ago

Good riddance. Anything that reduces the amount of smelly hippies and noodle dancing is ok by me.....

Maracas 9 years, 8 months ago

Have there been any numbers made available about what significant economic impact, if any, the Wak Fest actually has on Lawrence? I honestly think Lawrence could survive just fine without Wak Fest. Personally, I don't really care if it stays or goes. My only gripe is the dirty panhandlers that invade downtown and other areas shortly before the event.If it moves somewhere reasonably nearby, then both sides win. The Wak Fest haters have it away from Lawrence. The Wak Fest proponents have it nearby and can still go. If it moves out of state, well, the proponents will just have to take some annual leave and go a little further. Either way is not so bad.

blessed3x 9 years, 8 months ago

LawrenceRules (Anonymous) says: F'ing hilarious, a bunch of cops get free tickets to stand in the middle of a bunch of stinky, burnout dopers and listen to crappy music that only makes sense if your high. I think the cops would go for it. Brilliant idea Blessed, f'ing brilliant.Lighten up, dude. All I'm telling you is how they help to alleviate security costs at the stampede. I never said this would work at the Wak!! Take a chill pill and quit being so offensive. Many of the security personnel at the stampede are paid but some accept tickets for their family or themselves as payment. The Wak could hire their own security (for money if they like) just like the stampede. My point is that the Wak people want to complain that they are getting shafted and yet they seem to do none of the things to help reduced some of the costs that the Stampede promoters do.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 9 years, 8 months ago

...Carol,Having read your posts, I have to say that Christmas will never be the same for me. I hope you have a Merry one.,;-)"God bless us one and all." - tiny tim

triplegoddess13 9 years, 8 months ago

So sad to see you go petmaster5. You must be transparent with that skin of yours.

Boston_Corbett 9 years, 8 months ago

"How many hillbillies have been arrested on drug charges per attendance'Bigprune, the local sheriffs office is darn lucky to have not been the subject of a "wrongful prosecution" suit. I imagine these terrified young kids were more than happy to sign settlement agreements to not prosecute in exchange for all charges being dropped. i.e. there a lot of unreported stories behind those arrest statistics which explain how they were not proper, legal, or justified arrests.And the intended message was sent and received. "Get the F out of Kansas and don't come back." You know, kinda like the South used to do things.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 9 years, 8 months ago

Maybe we could rededicate that little piece of Earth at Clinton to all the exclusionists so vocal in this forum and plant trees to contain them,since clearly they cannot see ( the forest ) beyond the trees.

Darrell Lea 9 years, 8 months ago

Hey I have an idea - whay don't we have a big Festive gathering of all the creeps that post their right-wing vitriol and anti-everything idiocy here on LJWorld dot com? At least hippies get away from their friggin' computers long enough to have a life and participate in the outside world!

hujiko 9 years, 8 months ago

"notajayhawk (Anonymous) says:logrithmic (Anonymous) says:"It remains an outrage the way Wakarusa attendees are treated by law enforcement but those events that cater to white conservatives:"You're seriously trying to introduce the race card here, log? Seriously? 'Cause in looking at the pictures above, I don't exactly see a preponderance of people of color at the Wakarusa, either."If you did not know, discrimination doesnt end with the color of you skin, it can be related to your gender, your sexuality, your religious beliefs, your political standings, and even your age. If then conservatives are being allowed to go to events without the same police presence as an event for liberals, then this is a fine example of direct discrimination. I hope to see this actually pan out and show the hypocrisy in the capping regulations and the police force present at each of the festivals, I enjoy wakarusa because it brings a diverse selection of bands for me to enjoy, not the drugs or alcohol, but the music, that's what it should be all about.

Boston_Corbett 9 years, 8 months ago

Two points:1) madmike says:"Hasta le vista:Hippies!"A clear reminder of the typical mindset of law enforcement.2) "In 2006, more than 80 people were arrested at the festival, including 12 for LSD offenses and 25 for marijuana violations." How many of these charges actually resulted in a real conviction or even diversion?? I don't know the number, but the answer is very few.

bearded_gnome 9 years, 8 months ago

discrimination? really. just a negotiating tactic. ljworld should've ignored Mosiman's noise. *stampede vs wakedfest, apples vs oranges. they're right, the clinton lake traffic is a nightmare, and especially if an emergency happens. this year, the plan with the onrushing tornado was: try to shelter in place! plus, I wonder about that number of arrests in '06. agnostick stupidly tries to point to Kline, but overwhelmingly those charges went to local or fed jurisdictions. and I wonder, do you have to pay the law enforcement officers more to be at wakedfest, than you do to put them at the stampede? bet so.

dandelion 9 years, 8 months ago

The people who complain about the so called panhandlers downtown are those who don't ever go downtown anyway, so why should we care what they think. They also never attend music festivals, because they spend all their time at their computers, and supposedly attending church and Republican meetings? Or at least that seems like the only thing they do. Oh yeah, they also listen to Fox and Rush. They don't have anytime for fun.

triplegoddess13 9 years, 8 months ago

The Wakifest does have their own security on staff and they are the ones that are supposed to be dealing with the public at the lake. Law enforcement is only there to deal with the drug problems.

Potawatomi 9 years, 8 months ago

Mad Mike is a redneck bible thumpin' wife beating crooked cop that violates the rights of U.S. citizens.

somebodynew 9 years, 8 months ago

I WILL miss Shanna though. (SuperHooper), she is probably the only one.

dinglesmith 9 years, 8 months ago

You're telling me that this thing draws 13,000 people per day over 4 days and there's no economic impact? Please remember this when you piss and moan the next time the KU/MU game is moved to KC. I have no desire to go to the Wakfest, but I also have no desire to see legitimate businesses run out of town. Like it or not, music is a part of the Lawrence economy.

bcoughlin 9 years, 8 months ago

I agree with Logicsound04.And I think it unfortunate that people, people who obviously didn't attend the festival, are generalizing about the "hippies" and are so dismissive.I am not a hippie and I don't use drugs. I'm a gainfully employed middle-aged man who attended the festival to enjoy great music under the great Kansas sun and starlight.I saw many of my neighbors at the festival. Some were camping with their kids. I saw a city commissioner. I enjoyed the company of my teenage daughter and her boyfriend. I am quite confident that none of them were using drugs. The panhandling element is but a small percentage of those who attend the festival. Be careful, you just might find yourself related to a "hippie" someday.

hwarangdo 9 years, 8 months ago

Well sir ree, this shure brings out the Kansas rednick attitudes, dunt it? By golly, we can all rest piecefully now that them darn hippies won't be hoopin' and hollerin' with their dirty dope and vile music.Oh shucks folks, I though this was about the country stampede! My bad ... now I see it is really about Wakarusa Fest. Oh well, hurump, huh, hmm, argh, well ...Will someone toss another beer at me? Yo! sweet young thang, toss that beer!Burp

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 9 years, 8 months ago

I notice that the associated photo caption does not include the names of those shown in the photograph. Perhaps LJW could supply these and, thereby, clear up the "hippie" preponderance issue...?

Boston_Corbett 9 years, 8 months ago

"in their case their payment was tickets to the event."That is really funny Blessed.... to believe that law enforcement people who receive free tickets are there to contribute their undivided attention to providing security services. You are probably right, Wakfest should provide the Douglas County Sheriffs office a stack of tickets, instead of paying them $56,000. I wonder why they haven't thought of this?

notajayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Agnostick (Anonymous) says: "Yeah, hire the Hell's Angels! They'd probably even do it for free: no more than a few cases of cold beer:"'Cause that worked out so well at Altamont. (And that wasn't even a country music festival, karmax.)

paavopetie 9 years, 8 months ago

I agree with trinity, move the Wakarusa Festival to Tuttle Creek. But then they'd probably have to change the name.

littleone 9 years, 8 months ago

Good riddens as well...Attendance is down because of the gas prices I'm sure. As far as the crowd, Country Stampede has alot of famous singers. I mean, come on, get real Brett. You are just whining because you lost alot of money this year because your attendance was down. You wouldn't have to pay all the security if you didn't have all those hippies doing drugs out there. Your event definitely needs more security than the country stampede. I will be glad to see you go, as alot of the people around here. You don't have a chance in hell of winning a lawsuit. Good luck to you anyway. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TacoBob 9 years, 8 months ago

C'mon, Lawerence is known as the Berkley of the Midwest. Sounds like yer festival fits like a glove. Why IS there such a difference in costs? Hurumph, Nascar indeed!

not_dolph 9 years, 8 months ago

Welcome back Sven:I mean madmikesuxcox:Didn't take him long to return with yet a new moniker. Interesting that he would pick this one. How do we know it is Sven Alstrom?1. Has posted 18 times today, and is brand new.2. Same posts on multiple threads.3. Posting youtube links.4. Uses the term Sabbath:which harkens back to his Jewish heritage.LJW has already booted this madmikesu#co#, but remember to add this name to the list of other spidercoolsvenjaguarmettamadmikesu#co# identities for Sven.

notajayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

hujiko (Anonymous) says: "If you did not know, discrimination doesnt end with the color of you skin, it can be related to your gender, your sexuality, your religious beliefs, your political standings, and even your age."Yeah, thanks, got that. Apparently you didn't notice it was the member whose comment I was replying to that brought color into it when he said "...those events that cater to WHITE conservatives..." [emphasis mine]."If then conservatives are being allowed to go to events without the same police presence as an event for liberals, then this is a fine example of direct discrimination."I wonder if you - or for that matter a lot of the other ranters whining here - have even recognized your own bias by assuming that no 'conservatives' attended the Wakarusa and no 'liberals' like country music.

brother_cumulus 9 years, 8 months ago

A hippie gets onto a bus and sits next to a nun in the front seat. The hippie looks over and asks the nun if she would have sex with him. The nun surprised by the question politely declines and gets off the at the next stop.When the bus starts on it's way the driver says to the hippie, "I can tell you how you can get that nun to have sex with you." The hippie says that he'd love to know, so the bus driver tells him that every Tuesday evening at midnight the nun goes to the cemetery and prays to God. "If you went dressed in a robe and glow in the dark paint mask she would think you are God and you could command her to have sex with you."The hippie decides this is a great idea, so that Tuesday he goes to the cemetery and waits for the nun to show up. At midnight sure enough the nun shows up and begins praying the hippie jumped out from hiding and says. "I AM GOD! I have heard your prayers and I will answer them, BUT ... first you must have sex with me." The nun agrees but asks for anal sex so she might keep her virginity because she is married to the church. The hippie agrees to this and has his way with the nun.After the hippie finishes he stands up and rips off the mask and shouts,"Ha! Ha! Ha! I'm the hippie!!"Then the nun jumps up and shouts, "Ha! Ha! Ha! I'm the bus driver!!"

Gina Bailey-Carbaugh 9 years, 8 months ago

Sour grapes, Brett. but, than again, we would be surprised if you didn't do your annual whine-fest.

John Spencer 9 years, 8 months ago

ChristmasCarol (Anonymous) says: I have some stats for you.The same people that run the Wakfest ran the Omega and it attracts the same crowd.I have another "Stat" for youThe number of ChristmasCarol's talking out their Arse is 1.Brett and his associates had nothing to do with Omega or MegaKeggar (the event Omega was derived from)How do I know? I am one of the very few that was a member of the executive board for both events.I would also like to say that it is very obvious that the anti-hippies here did not attend Waka. Had they attended they would have seen what the I did, a broad spectrum of people, all ages, races, economic situations, etc.

notajayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

logrithmic (Anonymous) says: "It remains an outrage the way Wakarusa attendees are treated by law enforcement but those events that cater to white conservatives..."You're seriously trying to introduce the race card here, log? Seriously? 'Cause in looking at the pictures above, I don't exactly see a preponderance of people of color at the Wakarusa, either.I'd agree that the difference in paying for law enforcement and park personnel is suspect. But it does seem legitimate that the attendance cap is lower given the logistics of park access. And with the lower cap, it wouldn't seem likely the Wakarusa is ever going to be a big money maker, and it's going to be susceptible to economic disaster from circumstances like this year's weather. With or without the LE costs included, I doubt the festival could have remained viable anyway.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 9 years, 8 months ago

OK, the sarcasm's gotten so deep, a fissure has opened... sarchasm.

fonz73 9 years, 8 months ago

notajayhawk --"You're seriously trying to introduce the race card here, log? Seriously? 'Cause in looking at the pictures above, I don't exactly see a preponderance of people of color at the Wakarusa, either."Dude, they were at the pool :)Sorry, couldn't hold back...

Richard Heckler 9 years, 8 months ago

The top two pictures to the left tell the story. The attendees are no different and in this case dress the same. The reasons from park officials and law enforcement scream out discrimination. It also screams out it's okay for cowboys and cowgirls to get stoned at outdoor festivals * 1969 -1976, which is several years ago, attending music festivals and concerts was my full time job. Working and school were the other jobs.The music was the bluegrass,blues,country, rock and The Grateful Dead. The crowds varied little in their abilities to enjoy themselves . The crowds also were friendly. It was not unusual to find all five varieties of music at a festival.All 5 varieties of music bring big tax revenues to a community. The hippies and blues lovers I'd say are the largest consistent tax revenue generators with CW a close second.Like then like today some of both genders have long hair and not everybody drinks or does other drugs. Profiling and discrimination do exist. Brett knows what he is talking about.

fonz73 9 years, 8 months ago

ChristmasCarol --In response:a) NOBODY likes to get bustedb) Drug users don't like cops3) Crap, who took my Adderall!??!!? Damn hippies.:)

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 8 months ago

blessed-- The Wak fest does have their own security, in addition to the county cops they are charged for.

blessed3x 9 years, 8 months ago

The important security fact that is left out of this story is that most of the security at the stampeded is provided by the stampede organizers. My sister and brother (both in law enforcement) have worked at this event for several years, in their case their payment was tickets to the event. Many of their co-workers do the same. In fact, many of the local police officers take vacation during that time just so they can work security at the event. The story itself states that the local law enforcement agencies only provide 20-25 officers per day. Many times that number of security personnel are present, however, with the extra being provided by the organizers. Does the Wak do this? I have not heard that they provide any of their own security, instead relying totally on the police department. So the numbers listed above in the article regarding security are highly skewed and very misleading.

lootah0506 9 years, 8 months ago

I've never been, but I also have no problem with them being here for the music and dancing, I just have an issue with them begging me for money and the guilt trips I feel after saying no because I'm struggling with money too :(I hope they all have fun next year though regardless of what other people think of them or where they'll be.

whatatown 9 years, 8 months ago

It is so wonderful having a festival in our backyard. Wakarusa brings tons of really great bands, and I for one appreciate being able to go and see so many of my favorites for one low price, in one place. It's not just "smelly hippies" that go and enjoy the music, food and atmosphere. (one of the pizza stands has absolutely the best pizza I have ever had, hands down). Some people are just spoil sports that can't seem to have any fun and are intolerant a-holes. It's not due to attitudes and people like half the people posting on this board that gives Lawrence it's good name. It is due to events like Wakarusa and the outdoor concerts, thriving downtown life and individuals that don't quite seem to match up with the Kansas mentality that provide the community with it's truly unique style.

mom_of_three 9 years, 8 months ago

Beer bellies, sleeveless shirts, and belt buckles...easy to see who hasn't been to a country music festival as that is only a few of those you will see...Stampede has been around longer, perhaps it has more credibility and has paid more dues. Never been myself, yet, it attracts upper crust country acts. like it said above, apples and oranges.

LawrenceRules 9 years, 8 months ago

F'ing hilarious, a bunch of cops get free tickets to stand in the middle of a bunch of stinky, burnout dopers and listen to crappy music that only makes sense if your high. I think the cops would go for it. Brilliant idea Blessed, f'ing brilliant.

nobody1793 9 years, 8 months ago

fonz73 (Anonymous) says: a) NOBODY likes to get busted--No I don't.

gr 9 years, 8 months ago

"He said the Lawrence economy is missing out on millions of dollars "Follow the money!"I'm deleting my accounting."Did you lose money too, petmaster? Or just deleting your "second set" of books?

Sigmund 9 years, 8 months ago

I just hate having Lawrence turned into a giant party house every summer where people visit, get drunk and stoned, feel free to break local laws, trash the place and go home. It doesn't make it any better or worse if they they wear Stetsons, doo rags, or a tie dye head bands. If it were primarily about the music I'd have no problem, but it's not really. It is all about getting plastered.

fonz73 9 years, 8 months ago

WHAT!?!??!"I will tell you when the hell to get out of my house whenever I want to. That goes for any business I run as well and I won't hire you if I don't want to. I think you border on fascism of allowing everyone in your business to muck it up.Hippies are blacks are mexicans are: why do you use the proper terminology why don't you just go ahead and use the derogatory term?"...and WHAT!??!"I love to hear you preach your hypocritical banter on how equal everything needs to be then some little black thing goes to some organization and lies to it to be a suffragate and sits on her arse the rest of her life with a microphone and we get to hear her lies and bullsh-t the rest of hers like she is some hero because her Mutt ugly arse couldn't get laid unless she complained about something.Tell you what. The Equal Opportunity Employment act has nothing to do with my bedroom."Are we still talkin' about the Wakarusa Festival? I'm lost to what thread I'm even on. Please clarify! It's bound to be entertaining, for sure :O

Rationalanimal 9 years, 8 months ago

The difference is, the Stampede is not billed as, anticipated as, expected to be and in fact a drug event as the Wakarusa fest.

cookie 9 years, 8 months ago

So, discrimination against hippies in Kansas today is akin to the civil liberties that were denied to African Americans in the 1950s, '60s and prior? Nice analogy, Brett. If a hippie doesn't want to be profiled as a hippie, they can take a bleeping shower. Not only can you take your crappy music fest out of town, please sell your other interests in Lawrence and take the rest of your business across state lines as well.

LA_Ex 9 years, 8 months ago

I hate narrow minded, bigoted rednecks more than hippies. I'm ashamed to call Lawrence home right now. Seriously, is the festival really that bad to you? The thing that is really sad is that you can try to talk reason to a bigot all day long, but they will never listen. Their hatred for something that ultimately has little to no effect on their life clouds their ability to think and rationalize.

Sigmund 9 years, 8 months ago

stillcoolandhere (Anonymous) says:"Oh, you don' like KU to win:.??"stillcoolandstillamoron

Bladerunner 9 years, 8 months ago

Millions of dollars? I did see some of the attendee's spending change drying their rain soaked sleeping bags at a local laundry mat.

somebodynew 9 years, 8 months ago

Maybe if Brett would have paid the bills on time the first couple of years people wouldn't be so dis-trustful of him, and from what I hear that has gone on to some extent. I have met Brett a couplt of times and think he is a good person, but something tells me this is not the area (state) for this venue, and he needs to look after fusiness a little more.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 8 months ago

"The difference is, the Stampede is not billed as, anticipated as, expected to be and in fact a drug event as the Wakarusa fest."You make a regular habit of saying stupid things, RA, but this is a real gem-- and demonstrates quite clearly that you've never set foot inside the Wak fest, and as usual, you're just spewing out your *.

justtired 9 years, 8 months ago

let them leave--the town will be better off. we live here and leave when it comes to town. and the hospital ER will be a lot less chaotic--since the "economic stimulus" visit so they can get a meal since they spent all their money and the fest!!

karmaxs3 9 years, 8 months ago

Hippies do drugs and have sex, listen to music, and look at pretty sparkley things. Cowboys do drugs and get in fights, kill people, and drink a case of beer. Then they beat their girlfriend.People in all "stereotypes" do drugs. Other people don't. Drugs aren't reserved for hippies, idiots. Long live drugs, sex, and rock 'n roll!

notajayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Agnostick:No __. I didn't think even you were that foolish. I was expanding on the thought, and in case you hadn't noticed, using it in response to karmax's statement that "Cowboys do drugs and get in fights, kill people, and drink a case of beer."

PetMaster5 9 years, 8 months ago

love the festival or not...i now realize to find the true D-bags in lawrence, you don't have to go as far as clinton lake, but right to your Lawrence Urinal World forums.I'm deleting my accounting. Don't want to associate myself with these types. I'm better than you people.

Quigly 9 years, 8 months ago

Just change the venue. I remember the first Waka and to my( I would label myself as a space cowboy) didn't see alot of hippie, of course a little more than usual. The music line up is what brings the "bad element" that we are calling the hippies. Like I stated before, if it had not been for the fact that it had started to advertise itself in "Jam band" forums this would have never had happened. After the very first one, the label(Ifriggn hate labeling like that) "Jam band" was associated with it and then the hippie from Bonnaroo started making this there next stop. But you know it won't stop. You bring in some rock and roll and it gets violent. Bring in more country and its redneck. Bring in blues and we will start talking crap on KC and start getting racist for real. If this simpleminded state cannot handle it then by all means find somewhere that will. And once again like I stated before, what did these people expect when the hippies started rolling in? A red plush carpet? Should have stayed away from the"Jam Band" scene, it will bring to pigs down on you. The Jefferson County idea was a good one. Didn't Newton have a Green( as in happy grass) fest at some time or another?

kansassucksanyway 9 years, 8 months ago

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triplegoddess13 9 years, 8 months ago

It's not an issued of the town being bigoted. Some of us just like to not be overrun in the summer. The summer is supposed to be peaceful and a break from the college students. This 'festival' is anything but peaceful when it comes to the noise that they produce. It's more hassle than it's worth and the city/county should just let Mosiman throw his fit and leave.

totallyamazinghipocracyhapnN 9 years, 8 months ago

Wow. What a surprise that Waka is having trouble in your community! I am a 40 plus year old (gainfully employed)male who has attended the festival with my (gainfully employed) wife the last two years. I guess we are the hippies from out of town. We ate in several eating establishments, shopped at the HyVee, even bought some beer growlers from a micro brew.(We spent more last year with the shuttles, but they were not available this year) We have been in constant amazement at the lack of fights, the peaceful nature of most of those in attendance and overall the lack of problems that occur when 13,000 people get together to attend any function. I have four kids of my own ages 16 to 23, so am not oblivious to drugs (and since when is alcohol not a drug?) and this festy is not the drug mecca or orgy you non-attendee's have made it out to be. Did some smoke pot around us? Absolutely. Is everyone cruising around in a drug-induced 4 day coma. NO! We are from KC and see more at any concert here than there! With Christmas Carol's logic, you all probably ought to consider shutting down that university thingy place across town, cause they probably do drugs and drink , and occasionally beg for money I bet too!!! They also teach free thinking, and that might lead to anarchy so better curb that. They tell me Lawrence is a liberal college town, but this thread tells me otherwise. Hope the festival moves to Missouri, as closer to home, but if not, always 10k Lakes or other festy to catch. Damn shame though, you all had a good one.Watching the Olympics as I blog and guess who's music they are using Carol? Flaming Lips. Wow. Guess they only suck to you. Your rant tells me that you might have more than Wakarusa to vent about. They have really smart people at the college called Psychaitrist you really should go see. good luck

triplegoddess13 9 years, 8 months ago

totally-those wages paid to the rangers and the county employees would be paid no matter where or when they worked so your point there is moot. Because they are assigned to the festival just means that they were pulled off from another assignment such as the jail or driving the road. Some of the rangers come all the way from western Kansas for this stupid thing and aren't paid for their drive time or meals along the way even though they were assigned here.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 8 months ago

"I would love to see a break down of cost to the city/ county vs. amount of money brought to the community by this dope fest."What cost would that be? The $56,000 paid to the sheriff's dept covers the only major expense to local governments.BTW, anyone who has actually been there knows that it's not a "dope fest," certainly no more so than the Stampede is, especially when alcohol consumption is taken into consideration. But you've already displayed your bigotry countless times on this forum, consumer1, so why should I be surprised that you're back doing it again.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 8 months ago

totallyamazinghipocracyhapnN--Don't take the rantings here as all that typical of Lawrence-- it really is a mostly open-minded, progressive place. I think forums like this are the only place the anti-social wingnuts so well-represented here feel secure in spewing their bile.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 8 months ago

"exactly what is benefit to city?"Anything bought or sold out there should be subject to county sales and alcohol taxes-- that should be quite a (county if not city) bump just in itself.

Jim Phillips 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm quite sure there were several hunded, if not thousands, of people at the Wak Fest who behaved themeselves, broke no laws, and contributed to the "economic benefit" of Douglas County. But as we all know, yet few admit, a few idiots can and will ruin the fun for everyone. Perhaps if those folks would police themselves a bit there wouldn't be such a sour taste in the mouths of those who live here and have to deal with bad remnants of the party. If you want to bring your dope, don't cry when you get hauled off.

Meatwad 9 years, 8 months ago

Wakaursa is a FANTASTIC festival and I'm very proud that it's in Lawrence. Clearly there is some unfair treatment going on from people who work for the state, people who's salaries are paid for with OUR TAXES. I hope it stays at Clinton Lake but if it moves, I'll go (as long as it doesn't move too far away)

notajayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Not_Dolph, I haven't been keeping up - who was windell before he got booted the last time?Just got this endearing little note via pm from the little tyke:..The user windell sent the following message to you via ============================== Whats yer point?I hate redstate republicans like YOU![expletive deleted] off. ==============================

notajayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

stillcoolandhere (Anonymous) says: "vote for more brainwashing"I think uncool should have read the label more carefully and had his dry cleaned...

mainah 9 years, 8 months ago

Bye, bye Brett. The displaced wildlife (deer, birds, etc.) at Clinton Lake will be glad to see you go!!!!!!!!!

stickkeys 9 years, 8 months ago

It's really too bad that Lawrence and the state of Kansas are not working closely to help keep this festival. Wakarusa is a premier festival in the USA. A lot of people with negative comments don't realize that a lot of these acts will draw people from across the world, it really is that premier of a festival. When I lived in Florida I would make sure to buy tickets and now that I live in Nebraska I do the same. I've always looked at Lawrence and Clinton Lake with a sparkling eye but it's time to look for somewhere else if this can't be resolved.

liberty4all 9 years, 8 months ago

Regarding spending in the Lawrence area. Although most festival patrons do camp, many others purchase hotel space. Furthermore, nearly all of the artists that perform at Wakarusa use hotel rooms. Many patrons fly into KCI and purchase most all of their gear/food/beverages in the Lawrence area . I would bet that most patrons will buy at least one tank of gas and one meal on the Lawrence economy (if 10,000 people buy a $50.00 tank of gas they would spend $500,000). In addition Wakarusa spends thousands on supporting the event's infrastructure which includes hiring technical personnel, construction personnel, event management, security, purchase of most supplies, rental of most equipment. Money doesn't have to be spent by patrons in Lawrence businesses for this event to be a boon to the Lawrence economy across the board.I am over 40 and have been to every Wakarusa. Since the gestapo year 0f 2006 the crowds have dwindled (who would want to travel to subject themselves to that kind of treatment) and the average age of festival patron has gone up a few years. By scheduling Wakarusa before Bonnaroo, Wakarusa has all but eliminated the element of the "festival tour rat" (i.e. kids that latch onto a moving tour, these kids come from eastern cities and are not likely to start a tour in Kansas but they would sure finish one here if that is where the road takes them, then some would stay and panhandle to get back to wherever they came from). The VAST majority of Wakarusa patrons are post college folks trying to get established in the working world (these are the MANY that come to Wakarusa that no one seems to notice since they look like the rest of the world). It is sad that a few hate mongers on this forum can't see the value of this event to the many tax paying citizens that do choose to patronize.

notajayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

liberty4all (Anonymous) says:"The VAST majority of Wakarusa patrons are post college folks trying to get established in the working world..."Really.What jobs are these folks applying for?

Sophia 9 years, 8 months ago

I like Trinity's idea of holding it at the Stampede site. He can get a chance to earn his money back and maybe we can get to know more of the Manhattan folks.

totallyamazinghipocracyhapnN 9 years, 8 months ago

To add to Liberty's awesome post, you also might consider that the money Waka pays to the state park rangers, sheriffs deputies and other local folks for "security" and rental, comes back to Lawrence in the form of wages and overtime pay. They then use that to pay for groceries, rent, utilities. etc... So it isn't just those hippies spending the money buying stuff, its your whole economy that suffers, its everyone who gets money paid to them from the festival that spend money in your town.Its a complicated formula to figure multipliers in economic impacts, but the simple answer is , YES you will see a loss in tax revenue, sales and hotel rentals from not having a weekend in June where 13,000 people DONT come and spend money. But you guys can make it up by paying higher taxes for that loss in revenue. By the way, more people this year went into town and rented hotels when the weather turned ugly Thursday night...but you guys have unlimited draw of folks coming to Lawrence in June, so you can always make up for the loss of ,what I was told to be the largest music fest west of the Mississippi.Good Luck.

totallyamazinghipocracyhapnN 9 years, 8 months ago

TrippleG13, You sound like my kids, being all about the semantics and clouding basic facts , without looking at general ideas, even ones supplied by you. Maybe, if ALL of the extra park employees at ClintonSP, parking personnel ,construction staffing (those stages and tents didnt just grow there!), private and PUBLIC security officials, roadies, sound crews, concessionaires and ice vendors, the Bands, and truck drivers DIDNT spend any money they made while they stayed in Lawrence for the up-to 1-2 weeks it takes to put on a festival of this size, you might be right, but I KNOW you aren't. Even the local HyVee had a mini store onsite that they staffed 24/7. Did they cut back staffing at the big store? No, they put on more staff, just like many businesses that either supply Wakarusa directly or indirectly. Bag ice business. Hotel staffing. Gas stations , Porta Potty people(though not enough I might add). The KS troopers I talked to were on OT, cause they shared the fact. All those folks probably paid into your tax base as well. I am not specifics of how the bands are paid but I wouldn't be surprised if, like professional athletes, they pay a local income tax,as well. All these taxes and income are NOT paid into your coffers if you don't have this event. You even make my case by telling me some rangers aren't from here, but Western KS. Do you suppose perhaps they stayed in a hotel in Lawrence, and ate at a restaurant or two? Fueled up? All that would be included in what economic impact this festival creates. I will bet my economics degree on it. Now multiply those dollars spent by several times, as now, due to additional dollars pumped into your economy, workers at the festival make businesses in you community more dollars, which they spend as well, in your community. Econ 101. As a footnote, ask the folks at your Ballard Center about the over 3000 lbs of food Waka attendees donated in 2007, or the goal of 5000 lbs they were shooting for in 2008. So not all the impact is measured in dollars.....The recycling that goes on must be noted as well.But you will find something in my post to twist into some other tangent and try and confuse everyone. (notice I didn't feel sorry for the poor park rangers who drove all the way across state without being paid for drive time. Hey, get a better contract next time. My boss doesn't pay me for drive time either or meals either. Damn.)Peace

acg 9 years, 8 months ago

Give me a festival of "hippies" over those drunken idiot cowboys any day. Nothing more annoying than the smell of beer vomit, watching idiots pummel each other with their fists because they had to much too drink and watching little Suzie Slutly show her sad little underdeveloped boobs to everyone that will look. Country stampede is a waste of time and most of the people attending are wastes of space.

blakus 9 years, 8 months ago

I have to agree that if Stampede was targeted with the same intensity in terms of drug enforcement that WakFest was, then yes, you would see a high number of arrests. I just moved to The Cowboy State (Wyoming) and wow.... the drug use here among who some people refer to as 'cowboys' is unbelievable (I assume the gloves are off in terms of generalizing groups based on their taste of music/lifestyle.)

unkld 9 years, 8 months ago

I am so tired of hearing about the cops discriminating against the peope there. I know several of the deputies that have worked there and have said they love the music. But everyone seems to be forgetting that law enforcement still has a job to do. When you are breaking the laws, why is it the cops who are wrong? When do the people that are doing the drugs and creating the problems out there have to accept responsibility?I think Brett needs to get it through his empty brain that he has issues that go on out there that "MUST" be resolved. How long will it take for someone to say "if the law enforcement was doing there job when they saw so and so with the drugs, he never would have been able to drive his car" or "stepped in front of a moving vehicle".You want to let people go out there and enjoy the music, do the drugs, create all the othergarbage that they do and say leave them alone? Not me. I say goodbye to Waka Fest and good riddens.

not_dolph 9 years, 8 months ago

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 8 months ago

Consumer1 said, "I would love to see a break down of cost to the city/ county vs. amount of money brought to the community by this dope fest. And then later said, "Good post liberty. That was the kind of info I was looking for. Well done."You weren't looking for information-- your were looking to sling insults at an imagined class of people you disapprove of.

unkld 9 years, 8 months ago

How many people have they saved by enforcing the rules of the park and the laws of the state?I say keep up the great job!

localgirl9 9 years, 8 months ago

."2) "In 2006, more than 80 people were arrested at the festival, including 12 for LSD offenses and 25 for marijuana violations." "I wonder how many people would be arrested ANY weekend in Lawrence if the cops had as much equipment to use as they did out at Waka in 06? Infrared, hidden cameras, hundreds of extra officers and security patrolling? Seriously, do you people think any give day in Lawrence is drug or crime free? Hardly...and do you want to live in a place where the cops can use heat seeking imagery to see into the privacy of your home? The very same items that judges have ruled as unconstitutional for the police ti use driving through your neighborhood were used in full force in 06 because it was public property...there wasn't more drug use, fights or crimes committed out at the lake than any given day in town, the cops just had the gadgets to catch more people.As for the whole "panhandling hippies" and "good riddance" statements, those are obviously from people who don't know their a** from a hole in the ground. I work downtown...Waka weekend is as good as any football game weekend...I have worked a booth at Waka, we make even more money on the scene...I have been to festivals all over the country and sadly, Lawrence KS has become known only as another tight assed town in KS full of inbred rednecks because of the treatment of people at Wakarusa fest at the hands of law enforcement...people searched and harassed for nothing more than showing up, people who were NOT breaking any laws but were treated as second class citizens...and this discussion here...good god, you should hear what "hippies" all over think of us now, because of these few loudmouths (who I am sure use different names to repeat themselves and sound like multiple people)...Lawrence is a cool town full of cool people, but it has it's share of jerks and they all have a computer and more free time than anyone else I know.To Brett Mossiman I though I say, BUY PRIVATE LAND and use it!!!!!!!!

localgirl9 9 years, 8 months ago

and another thing...this whole "dirty panhandles converging downtown around Wakfest" idea...where do you people live? EVERY SUMMER I have lived in this town there has been an influx of dirty panhandlers...we are on a transient hub for many many reasons...they were here before Wakarusa Fest and will be here after too...AND how many dirty panhandlers are here ALL YEAR ROUND? I know of at least ten that have been downtown for the last 15 people don't even see the guys asking you for change, you just assume that if it is June they are Wakarusa hippies.

Gopher 9 years, 8 months ago

My problem with the Wakie is the environmental impact that this mass of people does to the park. I tried to read each blog to find just one comment about that but to be honest I was getting a headache. I am amazed that since Larryville thinks their such environmentally green whackos (SLT) that a pissy fit hasn't been blogged regarding the degradation, litter, soil compaction, impacts to buildings/facilities etc. Talk about speaking out of both sides of your mouth. I guess if the state park was using a herbicide to stay weeds then the wackos would then get their underwear in a knot.

seriouscat 9 years, 8 months ago

I will be sad if the Wakfest leaves. I hope these issues can be resolved and that it becomes a Lawrence mainstay. Hang in there Mosiman! Music and camping lovers got your back!

notajayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Well, considering I never used either word, 'dirty' or 'hippie,' I guess it really doesn't matter if the definition where you come from of a 'dirty hippie' fits the picture. However, your earlier description, "The VAST majority of Wakarusa patrons are post college folks trying to get established in the working world:," somehow fails to capture the spirit of the image, either.

liberty4all 9 years, 8 months ago

What jobs are these folks applying for?>, what short sidedness. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THIS PHOTO DO NO WORK? The only person in that photo that looks to me like a full time college student is the one with a beer. I will bet that at the very least 70% of the people in this photo hold full time career jobs. Just because these people are under 30 doesn't mean that they do not work. If you look at this picture these people tend to be between 25 and 30. All with short enough hair to hold positions in any business. These people are on vacation having fun. Would you wear business attire to a camping/music festival?Someone also suggested that Wakarusa patrons police themselves. Wakarusa has had a program for the past two years that has done just that. They are known as the St. Bernard's. Many of the things that people are complaining about have been addresses by Wakarusa management and by the patrons themselves. Of course if you don't actually go out to the festival how would you know that.

liberty4all 9 years, 8 months ago

Really.What jobs are these folks applying for? more I look at that picture, the more I wonder what the current definition/stereotype of "dirty hippy" might be! From where I come from "dirty hippy" usually implies at least one of the following long hair, tie dye t-shirts, dread locks, and filthy clothing (something like this I don't really see ANYONE in this picture that fits the above description (short of one tie dye bikini top and a head band). So, what is the current criteria for being a "dirty hippy"? Inquiring minds would like to know.

roadsideboy2 9 years, 8 months ago

I was at Wakarusa on Sunday to hang out with my daughter and to "watch EmmyLou" when I had an unbelievable run-in with Festival Security.I left the grounds for an hour, and attempted to return when David Grisman started. The gate was closed for the rain and lightning, but acts were continuing to play and people were allowed to stay on the grounds.I explained to the gatekeepers that I wanted to join my daughter inside and they, obviously enjoying their authority, said no. As people were allowed to leave I playfully attempted to crash the gate (weren't we as likely to get struck by lightning outside the gate as inside???) and walked along the fence. One of the two gatekeepers followed me along the fence - I don't understand why this was his responsibility as much as he was "riding his power trip".I returned to the back of the line to wait until they decided to allow me enter with the other 50-70 people who were waiting, and the guy who'd followed me pointed me out to a policeman and had me arrested. After being held for over 90 minutes by Lawrence policemen who apparently had nothing much to do, I was returned to my car and told to leave. I'm under orders not to return to Clinton Park this year.No need for Lawrence police to worry about that - I don't plan to come back. ; ]

beachbeach 9 years, 6 months ago

I don't understand how people can lump every festival-goer into the "dirty, drug taking, patchouli wearing hippie" stereotype. Yeah, I've been to Waka... once as a festival-goer and once as Press. I had an amazing time both years. Good music, good people (for the most part). I've been to other festivals too... not just "hippie/Jam Band" festivals. Rock, rap, Punk, Reggae, Electronica/Techno, Christian, Bluegrass... name a genre, I've been to a festival. And I have noticed that the least rambunctious crowd (yeah, the 'hippie' crowd) is the one who's the most scrutinized. If drugs is what you're worried about, you'll find it at ANY festival.Sure, there's going to be a couple bad-eggs in the group... that's inevitable. But come on. The security has been ridiculously overstaffed the past couple years... in 2006, the park contracted with an outside surveillance company to let the Lawrence/County/State cops sit in trees with night vision... hidden cameras around the park broadcasting to surveillance vans with security screens on top of hills watching everyone in the entire park... Seems a bit overdone to me.I also don't understand how the 'locals' don't appreciate/understand the thousands of people who visit their town once a year. I'm not talking about the select few who hitchhike their way around the country and live their lives bumming off people. No one notices the thousands of, dare I say, responsible hippies who come to Lawrence from all corners of the county... legitimately, on their own hard earned money... and support your local businesses. You don't notice these people because they don't fit into your stereotypical definition of a hippie. And I can assure you, most people who attend Waka aren't trying to mooch off the locals, buy a cheap 12-pack and sell it at the fest for 'stadium' prices.Bottom line... I'd hate to see Waka go. I've enjoyed visiting Lawrence the past two Junes. But if the locals (and I know a bunch of locals that love the festival) want to push the festival out of town, I'll continue to attend Waka no matter where it is. The reason being... I just love music.

Deja Coffin 9 years, 6 months ago

No more drum circles? Man, I don't know how I'll break it to my "hippie-sheik" sister.

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