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Is Obama too good to be true?

August 1, 2008

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John McCain and Barack Obama seem to occupy different universes.

In McCain's universe, the planets rotate around the sun in a predictable pattern. In Obama's universe, he is the sun - and we are but minor planets revolving around his brilliant countenance.

Rarely have the different orbits of these two men been more vivid than last week. While Obama was re-enacting the rapture before 200,000 worshipers in Berlin, McCain was grinding out economic policy with fellow earthlings at Schmidt's Restaurant and Sausage Haus in Columbus, Ohio. Its motto: "The Best of the Wurst!"

One is a Sun God - a young deus ex machina who entered the national stage just four years ago; the other is an old soldier rendered witness to the shifting tides. Yet, despite Obama's amazing miracle tour last week through the Middle East and Europe - and despite McCain's recent missteps - the veteran is still not losing to the novice. Why not?

Given Obama's star power and incredible political machinery, he should be doing even better than he is. Though he gained a few points in the polls following his Berlin speech - and thanks in part to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's seeming endorsement of Obama's withdrawal plan - a new Gallup/USA Today poll shows McCain leading by four points among likely voters.

The easiest explanation is McCain's familiarity against a relative newcomer. But another possible explanation may be more instinctual. Obama is too good to be true.

Like an "American Idol" winner, Obama seemed to spring from the wings a fully formed celebrity. He knows all the right moves but, like the young superstar, there's something missing. It's that intangible but palpable something that comes from paying dues.

"American Idol" winners are full of raw talent, but they're different than veteran performers who put in years showing up for auditions, suffering rejection and absorbing the humility that comes with it. When they finally land the lead role, they're prepared for it, but know better than to feel smug. They've earned it.

Being older and working longer don't necessarily make one better or more capable, obviously. Some people are blessed with greater talent, more intelligence, better looks. But Americans are skeptical of those who skip the line. Obama is like the guy who ignores the "merge ahead" sign, speeds along the outside lane past other drivers waiting their turn, and expects to be let in at the front. Or so it feels sometimes.

When critics speak of Obama's youth and inexperience, that may be partly what they mean. Youth is lovely and inexperience isn't a character flaw. But Obama keeps sprinting ahead of himself. The presidential-looking seal on his podium was presumptuous. His overseas tour had the feel of a premature victory lap.

It was all a little too wonderful, a little too scripted, too managed and smacking of stagecraft. Everywhere he went, Obama was received as though he were the president, not the presumptive Democratic nominee. Clearly, Obama's crowd-pleasing isn't viewed as a "problem," except to the McCain campaign. To team Obama, these are dreams come true, prayers answered, strategies ratified.

Yet to skeptical Americans - those not quite ready to declare Obama commander in chief - there's a deep-brain recoil in the presence of too much too soon. Adoring masses may inspire excitement, but they don't necessarily inspire confidence.

Where exactly does this pied piper lead?

That's the question with no clear answer. Obama's campaign plane features "CHANGE" in large black lettering, but change to what? A better world as one people? A world where the rise of oceans slows and the planet heals? A moment when we give hope to the world, jobs to the jobless, health to the sick, sight to the blind, mobility to the lame and life everlasting?

Amen to that, but how? And at what cost?

Obama may be easy on the eye and sonorous to the ear, but those qualities ultimately could hurt him among the less easily seduced. Come November, the more reassuring image in voters' minds may not be the charismatic figure preaching global unity to a mesmerized Berlin throng, but an old warrior hashing out less cosmic concerns among regular Americans in a German cafe in Columbus.

- Kathleen Parker is a columnist for Washington Post Writers Group.

Comments

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

One major policy "change" embraced by Senator Obama that has radically distanced him from all candidates in recent memory, including Hillary Clinton, was his decision when he was in Germany to forgo visiting our wounded troops at Landstuhl Hospital in favor of continuing to buddy up with his German socialist comrades, who do not vote in our elections.

jonas 8 years, 10 months ago

Is Obama too good to be true? Probably, if you're phrasing the question this way.

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

By the way, it does not seem to be working. The electoral analysis still shows building landslide (no doubt fueling McCain's desperation dive in to the gutter so early):Obama - 316 McCain - 198Senate: Dems - 57 Rethugs - 43House - Dems - 240Rethugs - 195We'll see how effective McCain's low road strategy will be shortly. For now, the result has been an uptick in Obama's lead, and an increase in his probable governing majorities.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 8 years, 10 months ago

"Where exactly does this pied piper lead?"To Peter Piper's, with pickled peppers aplenty!

jaywalker 8 years, 10 months ago

I wish I would have saved the article, and I can't remember where I found it last week. But it was in reference to a position BO had taken to an issue during his first year in the Senate, and the writer commenting on why he chose that particular stance wrote something to the effect of "perhaps the freshman Senator doesn't want to tarnish his chances at a likely presidential run."I found it not a little amazing that he was being thought of as a Prez contender as a freshman Senator.

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

Snap:National polling of likely voters is not all that relevant. State by state electoral results are what matters. The national polling "news" is a tactic used by the mainstream corporate press to ensure continued interest in the campaign, to maximize advertising dollars and to manipulate public opinion in the direction of their favored candidate(s.)

TopJayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Good article, and that just about sums up how a lot fo us feel. If it is too good to be true, it probably is. He does look and sound good. I assume he is a good person. But something is lacking, maybe a deeper understanding of how the world works, or life in general, I don't know. But I think an older president would be good for these tough times. I want someone in office who is as tough as the times are. I want someone who our enemies are not all that sure about. "Will he pull the trigger, or won't he?" That's what I want on my enemies' minds. Not all this kumbya crap. Making nice nice with our eniemies has never worked before, why would we think it would now?

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

Our local paper exhibiting that famous liberal bias....Not!"there's a deep-brain recoil ...""another possible explanation may be more instinctual....""The presidential-looking seal on his podium was presumptuous." (yet not when McCain pulled the same stunt??!!)"could hurt him among the less easily seduced....""Seduction," "instinctual reactions to the candidate," a man who is too uppity, ahem, I mean "presumptuoous," "a deep-brain recoil?" I see the surrogates have picked up the message and McCain's disgusting, low road drumbeat continues......How shameful! Decent people should reject these tactics.

Flap Doodle 8 years, 10 months ago

"Thirty percent (30%) of conservative Democrats say they're voting for John McCain. Rasmussen Reports data also shows the Republican hopeful picking up support from 19% of White Democrats and 15% of Democrats over the age of 50. These results are from national telephone survey interviews conducted with 14,000 Likely Voters during the two weeks ending July 24. The sample includes 5,074 Democratic voters."http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/30_of_conservative_democrats_say_they_ll_vote_for_mccain"PRINCETON, NJ -- The race for the presidency has moved back into a statistical tie in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update of national registered voters, with Barack Obama now ahead of John McCain by just one percentage point, 45% to 44%."http://www.gallup.com/poll/109177/Gallup-Daily-Obama-45-McCain-44.aspx

bondmen 8 years, 10 months ago

Barack Hussein Obama formerly known as Barry, is too hollow to be good. His recreation a la Madonna and his wealthy controllers ($50 million a month in political contributions) means he is not who he was and he is not who he is now pretending to be. Absolutely no one really knows who he is now or what he will actually do if elected. He has no record except favoring partial birth abortion and homosexual marriage. His words are spoken merely to capture the gullible and the internationalists. He'll likely support the government media complex and socialist/Marxist movements around the world.Jack Cashill has raised a very fascinating question about Barry by asking, Who wrote "Dreams From My Father"? http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/who-wrote-dreams.htm

Richard Heckler 8 years, 10 months ago

Do Not Send Slattery,Ryun or Roberts back to Washington D.C.!When new faces run for office voters need to support these new people if voters expect anything to change. Since when do incumbents and/or former legislators make things better?It seems they just continue the corporate welfare and watch american jobs go abroad.Lee Jones is a US Senate Candidate. Vote Lee Jones * Bring affordable and accessible healthcare to all Kansans * Fully fund an education system with the highest standards so all children have an equal opportunity to be successful * Support an energy policy that invests in green technology and other domestic sources of energy like ethanol and wind energy, which will create quality jobs here in Kansas and real energy independence for all Americans * Champion an economic policy that creates jobs and makes income taxes fair for working Kansans so the people of Kansas can provide for their families * Encourage a national security strategy that focuses on both military strength and diplomatic strength and uses all of our capabilities to help bring an end to ongoing conflicts * Support communities that have assisted fellow Kansans such as older individuals and those living in rural areas, by ensuring they receive an equitable share of government resourcesVote Lee Jones for U.S. Senatehttp://www.leejones.com/issues.html

Richard Heckler 8 years, 10 months ago

The republican party has some long term shady history. Why elect any of them?GW Bush brought us 9/11/01 due to negligenceGW Bush brought us secret oil deals and the $3 trillion illegal war and occupation of IraqGW Bush brought back Reaganomics aka voodoo economics( McCain Worships Reagan)Nixon brought us WatergateReagan/Bush brought us Iran-Contra Secret Arms Deals with TerroristsReagan/Bush brought us Reaganomics aka voodoo economicsReagan/Bush brought us the savings and loans scandal that cost millions in the retirement community their nest egg that would supplement Social Security and Medicare. This group is very thankful for Social Security and Medicare.One of the most recent achievements of GW Bush is the sub prime mortgage scandal in which many white collars made millions or billions.

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

"As we all know, the real crooks, frauds and cheats that are stealing billions and billions of dollars from the taxpayers through bogus "mortgage rescue" bills foisted upon us by totally ignorant and completely corrupt Congress: Citifinancial, JP Morgan, UBS, Merrill, Lehman, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - have funneled millions and millions of dollars to the Obamamessiah."Do you have proof of this, Godot? My guess, and I admit it is only a guess, would be that the majority of folks involved in the mortgage scandal are Republicans & therefore not giving money to Obama.

N_Trenched 8 years, 10 months ago

Anonymous usermerrill (Anonymous) says:The republican party has some long term shady history. Why elect any of them?GW Bush brought us 9/11/01 due to negligenceGW Bush brought us secret oil deals and the $3 trillion illegal war and occupation of IraqGW Bush brought back Reaganomics aka voodoo economics( McCain Worships Reagan)merrill-Is this what Michael Moore spouts in the "State of the Moron" address. Those in this country who are on the " I hate Bush" bandwagon, have not one objective thought in their collective being. It is obvious that Bush has done little to please either side of the isle, but I would take a closer look at Congress before blindly throwing around the anti Bush garbage. Right: Why do you hate GW so much?Left: Uhh, oil.... uhh, corporations, uhh.... yeah oilRight: You mean free enterprise and open markets right?Left: Oil, Oil, Oil.........

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

Thusspokezarathustra:.How does a comment from a European Command official about press coverage outside of a U.S. military hospital contradict my quoted statement from a U.S. military spokesperson about what they told Obama concerning whether the media was allowed inside the hospital?

Corey Williams 8 years, 10 months ago

But he still "...leaves you with your money..."

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

Did anyone hear about Obama's new slogan:"Change - When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles."http://www.demotivators.com/changewinds:.Have a good weekend everyone!

TopJayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

I get really tired of hearing about the "Mission Accomplished" thing. That is a customary term used by the Navy anytime a cruise is completed. The cruise is the mission, and if you make it back alive, you have accomplished that mission. So stop with all of the accusations to Bush about this as they are unfounded. Ask a Navy guy, they will tell you.

Corey Williams 8 years, 10 months ago

Wow satyrical. I guess you're right. Darn. I just can't poke any holes in that story using that darned old American liberal media. I mean, they were all over that story, weren't they? I guess you got me on this one. There were no disenfranchised voters. No faulty machines. No votes mailed in after the required date. Bush had a majority of votes nationwide. You're right. You win.Yes, I am being sarcastic.

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

Jhwk2008:Perhaps you need to look up the definition of a lie. I said "I think:", An opinion can never be a lie.

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

Jhwk2008:Arguing with you is like arguing with the curtains. First you attempt to rebut the facts I supported by quoting noncontradictory statements. Then you claimed a question, and an opinion was a lie, which by definition is impossible. Now you claim I am making a conclusion when I did not. I stated the facts, you inferred the conclusion Obama didn't visit the troops because the media wasn't allowed (so either you made an irration conclusion or the conclusion is arguably reasonable) The facts I previosly stated.Fact 1: Obama originally planned to visit the U.S. military hospital in Germany.Fact 2: Obama's campaign was unequivocally told he could still visit the hospital but the media could not.Fact 3: Obama changed his plans to visit the U.S. military hospital.Conclusion: Draw your ownIf you continue to twist what I say and make unsupported and ridiculous comments this dicussion will quickly end.

blackhawkx 8 years, 10 months ago

Obama is an opportunist. He is worse than John Kerry when it comes to "flip flopping" ... from what I get when he visited my college (I don't go to KU) it sounded as if he wanted troops out of Iraq. Now he's taking a tougher stance on terrorism saying that he'll think about pulling out of Iraq only if the situation will get better. He suggests that if Iran has nuclear weapons, he will invade Iran.Tell me Obama, what was the reason why we pulled out of Iraq? I hold this grudge against Obama. It is the ultimate stab in the back for me. It leads me to believe that he will change his mind whenever, wherever just to secure votes. He is so inconsistent. College students blindly worship him and so do my friends, but they do not see the downsides to Obama. Only the positives.Don't think I like McCain either. He is proving himself just to be as bad as Bush. Drill for oil! Drill for oil! Good idea, except maybe that oil will only reach us in say... a couple of years to a decade.I hate all of our candidates. I want Gore back. Too bad that will never happen.

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

blackhawkx....Is oil in 7 years better or worse than no oil at all, which is what Obama wants? (Hypothetical scenario) If I told you there were a trillion gallons of oil in the U.S. but it would take 10 years before we could get it would you still think it wasn't worth it?If we don't drill there, China will (and has off the coast of Florida). Someone is likely going to drill for the oil, why not the U.S. which has better safety regulations than China? Also, I heard a report that there is an underwater oil reserve near California that over a 5 year time span releases as much oil as the Exxon-Valdez, and will continue to do so until it is depleted. So our option are: (1) Have no oil, and either see it go to China or have it pollute the water and coasts (2) Have oil in a few years, save money from going to communist China or other foreign nations, and protect the environment.

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

If we're talking about "selling souls," Senator Obama's newly-found interest in offshore oil drilling should delight his environmentalist wacko supporters. Methinks that Ralph Nader's support will be growing daily.

supertrampofkansas 8 years, 10 months ago

I typically don't comment very much on political matters but with Obama, I find myself wanting to know more. The thing that I find is most curious is his relectant to name a VP choice. I mean I could be way wrong on this but I think the choice is quite obvious. It has to be Hillary Clinton. Sure she does have her negatives (a big one of them being her husband Slick Willy), but putting those aside, I think her upsides far outweigh any other potential candidates for VP. Obama clearly has at least 90% of the African American vote (anyone who says differently has not been paying attention). The addition of Hillary pretty much ensures the ticket will get at least 60 probably closer to 70 % of the female vote. Ditto for the white working class and the hispanic vote. Neither of them will get the social and religious conservatives (which they had no chance to get anyway). And how does that fit in with a theme of change? Heck you might as well rewrite the definition of change to include an Obama/Hillary ticket. You just can't plan for anything to be more about change than to have an African American and Female on a presidential ticket. I don't know. Can someone poke holes into this? To me this isn't a rocket science. I say if that happens, Obama might as well start writing his inaugural address.

Godot 8 years, 10 months ago

Why do they use the term "youth" to describe Obama? He is 47!! If he were in the corporate world, he would be on the list to be cut at the next downsizing to make way for some new and fresh talent.

beatrice 8 years, 10 months ago

Bowhunter, thanks for the link on Obama and the surge.Too bad you won't be able to find a link that shows McCain and his friend George Bush admitting they were wrong for pushing the U.S. to go into Iraq to find WMDs in the first place? Too bad you won't find any links of McCain and Bush admitting to being wrong about declaring "Mission Accomplished" five plus years too soon (of course, that could be 100 years too soon if McCain is elected). I'll go with the guy who was correct on the big picture all along.cato, yes, you do lie on this forum. Every time you call Obama a Socialist, that is a lie -- unless you call everyone who supports social programs like Medicare or the GI Bill Socialists too. Otherwise, you are a liar. He may have different opinions and ideas on what is best for our economy and the taxes that we all pay, but he is not nor ever has been a Socialist. So perhaps you just needed it explained to you. So, now it has been, again. If you call him a Socialist, you will know that you are being a liar. The truth hurts, doesn't it. Vote for Obama!

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

Cato:Does stating things which are patently untrue make one a liar? If you speak a lie, are you not a liar?

jhwk2008 8 years, 10 months ago

Satirical says..."I think he would have met with the troops under some conditions, just not the condition that the media couldn't go."Lie.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

"Once Hillary was out of the race, I switched to McKinney."YACK! You switch for someone "reasonable" to Cynthia McKinney? The one that hit a capitol cop with a cell phone? I hope you don't vote.

blackhawkx 8 years, 10 months ago

Satirical, drilling for future oil will only make us more dependent on it and delay the research for alternative fuels. If the meters drop to 0, there will be a mass demand for alternative fuel vehicles and that demand will lower the price for those expensive vehicles in a few months.Let's use the human body for example. Lets say I draw blood from your veins for a donation but after awhile your blood pressure starts to get lower and I want to take more blood from you faster so I start to poke more holes in your body. Eventually you'll have no blood anymore right? Let's substitute your body with the Earth and blood for oil. There will be a point where oil output cannot sustain everything. It just can't. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a transition while there's still plenty of oil left? I'm not being a green hippie here- I'm just talking some sense.

jhwk2008 8 years, 10 months ago

Yes, Satirical you proved me wrong with your logical fallacy. If Bill Gates owns Fort Knox, then he is rich.Bill Gates is rich.Therefore, Bill Gates owns Fort Knox.

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

Whether you choose to believe our military commanders or the far-left media machine that has desperately been attempting to coordinate the damage control on this, the significant point is how Senator Obama views, and under the tutelage of his radically leftist friends in Chicago has always viewed, our military. The conclusion is inescapable that he would have the worst relationship with our military of any president in the history of this country. Of course, for some of the posters on this site and their fellow radical leftists across the land, that's not a problem. For the rest of us, it is.

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

scott367-5390...."Not now, now it is a deliberate avoidance of the argument I made in my last post."Umm.. you made the argument that I mistated my Fact 2"Your Fact 2 mistates things..." - scottSo by directly addressing and countering your argument I avoided it? I think I am beginning to understand liberal logic....

jumpin_catfish 8 years, 10 months ago

Of course, he's too good to be true. He's just another politician and he we all know what that means. They will say whatever it takes to get elected, Obama, McCain, Clinton, all of them. Stop looking for a savior. Obama will gut business and stick his hand in your pocket and separate you from your hard earned money.

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

"I find it odd that we really didn't see much footage of Obama with the troops there. When Bush and McCain visit the troops in Iraq, they receive enthusiastic weclomes. We didn't see that with Obama."An absolute lie. There was a picture of Obama being greeted enthusiastically by the troops in Iraq published in this very paper. Spewing biased opinions is one thing, but outright lies is another.

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

"Obama was to visit with troops receiving treatment for wounds inflicted in Iraq and Afghanistan at Landstuhl. Now, the cancellation, and the Obama campaign's shifting explanations for it, are raising questions.Obama adviser Robert Gibbs initially said that the visit was canceled because the campaign thought, "it would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign." That remark drew sharp criticism from Sen. John McCain, who said, "Barack Obama is wrong. It is never inappropriate to visit our men and women in the military." The McCain campaign also pointed out the Sen. McCain paid a visit to wounded troops on his last trip to Iraq. In response to increased questioning on the cancellation from the press, and perhaps to Sen. McCain's criticism, the Obama campaign later said that it was the military that requested that Obama not make the trip to the base. "We learned from the Pentagon last night that the visit would be viewed instead as a campaign event," a campaign adviser said.But the military is disputing that explanation. A spokesman for the base told NBC News that the base was prepared to host Sen. Obama, as long as some conditions were met."[H]e could only bring two or three of his Senate staff member, no campaign officials or workers. Obama could not bring any media. Only military photographers would be permitted to record Obama's visit. We didn't know why [the trip was canceled]. He was more than welcome. We were all ready for him."Obama's campaign has steadfastly refuted the characterization of his trip as political. But the campaign's original explanation for removing the military hospital stop was based on the perception that the visit would be viewed as political. This is a pretty serious mistake by the campaign."http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/07/25/obama-cancels-visit-to-military-hospital/

hwarangdo 8 years, 10 months ago

Some seem to forget that Obama's appeal is that he believes in positive change, good values, honest government, etc., - things that most intelligent Americans are now looking for. We are fed up with the boon-doggling going on in Washington. Unfortunately, the media is having a hay-day with this election. We are constantly being exposed to "analyists" opinions and predictions, to media bias, to blogs, to comment boards such as this, etc. Gheeze, how are we to actually make up our own minds about either candidate? We are being told who to vote for, who will win, ad nausum. Total lies are being perpetuated and those who have lost the ability to think for themselves are believing them, or are grabbing onto them to wave their own belief system.The real issues facing our country are being pushed aside to make room for this. Sound-bytes and nano-second videos have replaced real investigations and research. One cannot watch the evening news without seeing and hearing the same old stuff being thrown around by the 'right' and 'left', by the political parties, and their media mules. Intelligent decisions are considered "radical". Let us continue to be led around by the nose ...As for the comment about women/mothers not being shackled with the burden of voting - what is this? I'm a mother and I'm voting. I have no qualms about who either. Perhaps the commentor is worried that women (who value life and have intelligence) will vote for Obama and McCain will lose. Is this the case? Are you afraid of what women will do if allowed to (heaven forbid) vote? We teach our children to play fair, share, be good, and we do it with patience and great tolerance. We instinctively sense when someone is phony, deceitful or worse - it comes from raising children - one of the perks of motherhood. We look at people deeply, considering the total sum of their qualities, behavior, speech, and values. We pick up on good and bad vibes. And most mothers will tell you when they 'know' when someone is up to no good. Ya can't pull a fast one on us. We're paying attention. Decisions about who to vote for may be difficult for some, but for those of us who have weighed the facts and sifted through the bombardment about each candidate, there's no question about who to support.As for those who continue to pound Obama into the dirt, I can't help but hear that old song ... sending out an SOS ... because that's what may happen if the 'conservatives' "win". And "win" isn't even the word; after all, Gore WON the election but the "powers that be" (and that includes the court's "decision") and their media propagandists made sure we all knew that Gore "lost". So is this what our country's electoral process has come to? Nit-pick, below the belt attacks, ignoring the real issues?Sad indeed.And how soon will we all be humming that 'sending out an SOS' ... ?

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

Doofusplenty, you need to quit while you're behind. Nothing prevented Senator Obama from visiting with our military personnel except Senator Obama himself. Your quote proves it again. End of story.

jhwk2008 8 years, 10 months ago

Satirical says:"Perhaps you need to look up the definition of a lie. I said "I think:", An opinion can never be a lie."Wow, wrong again. Opinions can be considered lies. "In 1990, the United States Supreme Court held in Milkovich v. Lorain Journal that no constitutional privilege for statements of opinion is required to ensure the freedom of expression guaranteed by the First Amendment. In a 7-2 majority opinion by Chief Justice William Rehnquist, the Court held that a sportswriter's use of the word lied in a column did not merit protection from a libel suit. The court reasoned that if " a reasonable fact finder could find them [the statements] to imply factual assertions," the speaker must not disregard the statement's factual implications. Concluding that the sportswriter's statements were actionable, the Court remanded the case for further consideration."

jhwk2008 8 years, 10 months ago

Satirical says..."Was Obama told by officials that he could go, but the press could not go? Yes or no?"See, that's a lie. I'm pretty sure he knew that reporters weren't allowed inside the hospital.From Factcheck.orgA McCain TV spot falsely insinuates that Obama canceled his visit because "the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras." "Reporters were not allowed to accompany him when he visited wounded troops at Walter Reed Medical Center on June 28. The small "protective pool" of reporters that routinely accompanies him was told by Obama's staff to remain outside, in the van, according to a reporter covering the campaign. Similarly, Obama visited wounded troops in Baghdad earlier in his overseas trip, but he did so without reporters and "without a lot of fanfare, just to say 'Thanks'," according to Democratic Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, who accompanied Obama."http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/snubbing_wounded_troops.html

supertrampofkansas 8 years, 10 months ago

As I said, Obama definitely does not have the religious and social conservative vote as evidenced on here. Do you really think it matters what they say or that anyone else is listening to them? It is disappointing but certainly not surprising to read the same statements over and over again ad naseum from RR, Tom, Malcolm, and all of their ilk like they really know anything about anything. No real analysis or intelligent discussions about domestic and international issues and how each candidate views them or their plans for the country. It is all about name-calling and innuendos. Referring to the muslim connection just demonstrates fear and stupidity.You guys all dismiss the charisima of Obama and his ability to hit homeruns when delivering speeches, yet I would think that such an ability would be important for a leader to have. I have never heard anyone (on here especially) say the same thing about McCain. If you don't think having that ability overrides any shortcomings or a checkered past a person might have come November, you obviously have already forgotten about the slick womanizer from Arkansas who was proven to have mulitple affairs, smoked weed, and dodged military service and still beat the living daylights out of an incumbent who had an impeccable record compared to most politicians.

jhwk2008 8 years, 10 months ago

Oh yeah, the Obama Nation "book" written by one Jerome Corsi.Corsi on Islam: "a worthless, dangerous Satanic religion"Corsi on Catholicism: "Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press"Corsi on Muslims: "RAGHEADS are Boy-Bumpers as clearly as they are Women-Haters -- it all goes together"Corsi on Senator "FAT HOG" Clinton: "Anybody ask why HELLary couldn't keep BJ Bill satisfied? Not lesbo or anything, is she?"

71_Hawk 8 years, 10 months ago

When you finish wading through some of the imbecilic comments from the Post A Comment and just look at the records of each candidate, then ask yourself whether you want our taxes raised, energy dependence to continue, (when we have our own supply) and our National Defense to suffer, then vote for the Democrat. Cut through the fluff of the media and look at their records. I personally would rather take the fight on terrorism to their turf and not ours again.

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

Satirical:All oil goes in to the global market, doesn't it? Someone pointed that out to you the other day. Is that a fact that you just don't accept or something. When the oil makes it to market it will be available to American consumers. Does it really matter whether US companies or China harvests the oil? US companies may be better at the job from an environmental standpoint, but the foreign companies will be kept further out & thus there is less likelihood of damage to ur beaches and environment. All of our other manufacturing jobs are being sent to China and India by the corporate interests of so-called "American" companies. Why not the oil industry? Exxon is probably just going to sell the oil to China or India anyway. And if we don't want the Chinese or anyone else drilling in our waters, we should assert sovereignty further out at sea & have our military earn their keep and protect it.

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

Mr. Nancy:Don't be too depressed. GIven his track record of changing positions, McCain will change back to something more to your liking sometime soon. Seriously, have you not considered Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party. Might be a good fit for you uninspired conservatives.

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

"Scott, please don't cite Newsweek. I have never cited Fox News for anything when I have posted on this site, not because I view it as inherently untrustworthy but because I know that others will. If the story is confirmed by independent sources, then I'll look at it."Cato, you previously cited a Pentagon source for one of your points. Please do not cite bush's Pentagon in the future. I view any governmental agency he controls to be untrustworthy. If the Pentagon spokesman's version of events is confirmed by independent sources, then I'll look at it. Thank you.

jhwk2008 8 years, 10 months ago

cato_the_elder (Anonymous) says:"Doofusplenty, I do not lie in this forum. I have never called anyone else on this site a "liar," which would be a libelous statement about a fellow commenter."1) You are a liar.2) It's not libel.3) You are a liar.

jhwk2008 8 years, 10 months ago

Satirical says ... "Duplenty of course deliberately deceives people into thinking the Pentagon didn't want him to go, however I posted several days ago the entire quote where the Pentagon was clear to Obama when they told him that he could go to the hospital, but couldn't go with the press."Lie. From the ultra-liberal Washington Post?"For four days, Sen. John McCain and his allies have accused Sen. Barack Obama of snubbing wounded soldiers by canceling a visit to a military hospital because he could not take reporters with him, despite no evidence that the charge is true."McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said again yesterday that the Republican's version of events is correct, and that Obama canceled the visit because he was not allowed to take reporters and cameras into the hospital."It is safe to say that, according to press reports, Barack Obama avoided, skipped, canceled the visit because of those reasons," he said. "We're not making a leap here."Asked repeatedly for the "reports," Bounds provided three examples, none of which alleged that Obama had wanted to take members of the media to the hospital."http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/07/29/ST2008072902360.htmlCare to retract your statement Satirical? Or are you going to continue to lie?

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

Max1, "the generation that will be paying taxes for the most years" should never vote for Obama. They are already saddled with the prospect of paying for the needs of retired baby-boomers under a bankrupt social security system that can barely be kept floating through payment of increased taxes by the young. When added to the greatly increased tax burden advocated by Senator Obama, they would be crazy to vote for him.

texburgh 8 years, 10 months ago

News? I read this in that great journalistic enterprise USA Today. the tone of this desperation article is even more biased than George Will or Cal Thomas! That's remarkable. Let's all continue to watch McBush pander to the extreme elements of the Republican party abandoning everything that made him a maverick and a candidate that everyone could support. Remember the 2000 McCain? He has sold his soul to get votes. I'll be happy to see this once great, independent mind go down as the Bushie he is now. We don't need four more years of the failed policies of the Bush/Cheney/Rove administration.

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

Doofusplenty, I do not lie in this forum. I have never called anyone else on this site a "liar," which would be a libelous statement about a fellow commenter. It's absolutely clear that Senator Obama had been previously scheduled to visit Ramstein Air Base and Landstuhl Hospital, and was encouraged by our military commanders there to do so provided that he not turn the visit into the same kind of dog-and-pony show that he and his handlers had been conducting elsewhere in Germany. As for why he made that decision, what he did with his time instead speaks for itself. The truth hurts, Doofusplenty, and has damaged your doofus candidate plenty.

Mike Ford 8 years, 10 months ago

I love how the dumblicans and godlicans fall for thisgarbage election after election peddling fear.Do us a favor go find a closet and hid so we canbegin the recovery from looking like a bunch of idiotsworldwide. I heard from a family member who went toPrague last week who was told by German friends,"oh America, behave or we'll give you democracy,heh, heh". He agreed with them about this countryhas been taken over by the 50.1% idiot vote of thiscountry. Enough is Enough.

Godot 8 years, 10 months ago

As we all know, the real crooks, frauds and cheats that are stealing billions and billions of dollars from the taxpayers through bogus "mortgage rescue" bills foisted upon us by totally ignorant and completely corrupt Congress: Citifinancial, JP Morgan, UBS, Merrill, Lehman, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - have funneled millions and millions of dollars to the Obamamessiah.Big oil - at least you know when you are paying them money - the bankers just steal it from you

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

Scott3460:."Does it really matter whether US companies or China harvests the oil?"Are you serious?! Absolutely. Would you rather see money go to U.S. companies or to places like communist china, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or other nations that harbor terrorist and use our money to train terrorist and attack us? The price is set by the global market but not all oil goes to the global market, and even if it did all go on the global market does not mean all companies profit equally. They profit based on how much of their product is purchased.

bondmen 8 years, 10 months ago

If the question still is: Is Obama too good to be true? The answer remains the same: Emphatically, Assuredly, Yes!

Orwell 8 years, 10 months ago

No, because I don't think all federal spending is equally inappropriate. I don't see federal money for safe bridges as being equivalent to money for establishment of a teapot museum or for maintenance of Lawrence Welk's birthplace.

Martin Shupert 8 years, 10 months ago

Let's call them "Republics" and the Republic party... This is just silly. Obama is too good to be true, not because he is a fraud, but because the american people are too easily fooled by the republics. Look over there! Don't worry about those jobs or the high price of gas. Look, it's Paris Hilton. She's famous for being famous. Obama is too, isn't he? He's never done anything, has he? Yeah, I remember how inspired I was when I heard Paris make a speech. Amazing! Obama is too good for us. We deserve the Bushes and the McCains year after year after year after year. Obama has a problem with uneducated, elderly, white people? What? Where is the real media? Why is it that the problem is Obama's? Basically, Brutus, the problem is not in our stars, but in ourselves.

stephenj 8 years, 10 months ago

Some of you people are sick! Just vote!Quit spreading your veil of irrelevant fear-mongering all over the place and realize the reality of the situation. Either Obama or McCain will win in November. If McCain wins, the draft will be reinstated and Iran will be completely destroyed in a matter of weeks . If Obama wins, we'll all be praying 8 times a day and Osama will be running your childs daycare. See how dumb that sounds?

thusspokezarathustra 8 years, 10 months ago

Satirical,I guess from your quote in this very post where you state, "I posted several days ago the entire quote where the Pentagon was clear to Obama when they told him that he could go to the hospital, but couldn't go with the press."If the press, "would have been able to photograph the Illinois senator entering and leaving the hospital," they would be able to go with Obama to the hospital.Perhaps if you had just quoted the Pentagon article instead of trying to pat yourself on the back you wouldn't have misspoken.

Orwell 8 years, 10 months ago

Cato, you're fearmongering.Those who cherish individual liberty have far more to fear from the torturers and police-staters who support McCain under the guise of "protecting" us at the cost of our liberty.If the private ownership of property is at risk under Obama I'd expect to hear something about it from Warren Buffet, who would have more at risk than you or I.The economic and political freedoms and principles on which this country was founded are far better respected without a corporate welfare state operated at the expense of current middle Americans and/or future generations.If your concern for "the ability to own and operate a business or otherwise work in one's chosen field without undue governmental interference" means allowing investment fraud or risking public safety to enhance private profit, then I guess you're right McCain's the man.

Orwell 8 years, 10 months ago

It's a damn shame the miserable, cynical politics of the last thirty years has brought us to this. They have, in fact, "wrung all the hope" out of America and left some of us like Ms. Parker to create subjective theories to fit the doubts.Don't tell me about a "can do" America or a "land of opportunity" or a spirit of innovation when your prejudices are so quick to say "No, he can't."

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

Scott3460:"Your Fact 2 mistates things, at least as I follow the conversation. Obama was told that he could visit in his official Congressional capacity, but could not visit as a candidate. The campaign evidently concluded that since the Germany part of the visit was financed by the campaign, was, in fact, a campaign event:"My Fact 2 is not a mistatement."A spokesman for the base told NBC News that the base was prepared to host Sen. Obama, as long as some conditions were met."[H]e could only bring two or three of his Senate staff member, no campaign officials or workers. Obama could not bring any media. Only military photographers would be permitted to record Obama's visit. We didn't know why [the trip was canceled]. He was more than welcome. We were all ready for him.""http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/07/25/obama-cancels-visit-to-military-hospital/

mom_of_three 8 years, 10 months ago

I am a novice about politics, but here are a few viewpoints I see, (and these are mainly from the emails I get from my family)Obama - will get votes because people are tired of the Republican president. Obama will get votes because of his skin colorObama will get votes because of his liberal votingHe will get votes because he comes through as intelligent, and well spoken. McCain will get votes just because he is white, and a war hero. He will get votes because of his experience in the senate, and because his opponent has favored gay marriage. I don't doubt either man could lead this country, but it's sorry to say it will come down to a black and white issue. I get emails from Republican family who play on his ethnicity. And it doesn't make any sense why they would do this, except they are racist and scared of change. Obama might be good for this country. And no, I don't know who I am voting for yet. But I tend to be a little more liberal.

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

Scott0000, the first paragraph of your 2:17 post is 100% pure, total, unadulterated spin. If you look at the posts here on these topics since the snub occurred last week, your ilk were essentially silent until the left-wing blogomachines stayed up nights to coordinate a strategy to put the square peg in the round hole as much as they could to achieve a semblance of damage control - and you guys, like the camp followers you are, say things like, "The campaign evidently concluded...." If it weren't so pathetic, it would just be old, plain laughable.

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

Jwhk2008:Way to change the topic to deflect attention from the fact you have been clearly be proven wrong. "Opinion - 1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. 2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal."http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinionBy the basic definition an opinion does not rely on factual assertions."The court reasoned that if " a reasonable fact finder could find them [the statements] to imply factual assertions,"" - SCOTUSFirst, this is a court decision based on recovery when an opinion relies on "false and defamatory factually facts", not on the definition of an opinion. Second, the case you quote is factually distinguishable since I didn't state "opinions which imply false and defamatory facts cannot be lies." Lastly, even if we assume that is what I meant, my statement which you claimed was a lie did not imply false facts.

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

RR..."In other words, Obama refuses to meet with our troops if conditions are presented beforehand..."I think he would have met with the troops under some conditions, just not the condition that the media couldn't go. After being a POW for 5 years, does anyone think McCain would backed out of a committment to see troops in a military hospital because he was told the press couldn't go with him?

Orwell 8 years, 10 months ago

Cato, I have sufficient assets and sufficient respect for the takings clause to be concerned about government policy affecting my property.I also have enough sense to read objective analyses of the candidates' tax policies, and to recognize McCain's deficit-exploding aims pose a far greater threat to my grandchildren's well-being than any threat Obama's more responsible plans might pose to the current generation. We can't continue to put the cost of government on the credit card for the benefit of the well-to-do, taxing work more than wealth while leaving future Americans to pay interest on the resulting debt to the Chinese.Those of us who can carry our fair share of the load without scraping by on what's left, those of us who enjoy the greatest benefits from society, ought not to opt for simple and short-sighted greed as the overriding criterion for acceptable economic policy.

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

"My Fact 2 is not a mistatement."Not now, now it is a deliberate avoidance of the argument I made in my last post. Something you do quite often, unfortunately.

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

Satirical:What, al Qaeda is in the oil business now? We have Iranians lurking off our shore. If it is so important not to send our money to the Saudia and Iranians, etc... then why aren't we doing something about the 80% or whatever of oil that we import from them. I don't buy the whole, boogeyman terrorist BS. Money flowing in to those societies is not such a bad things. A prosperous society is a society that is not much threat to anyone. I'd be more worried about those folks once the oil runs dry, or is no longer needed by the industrial world. They'll have nothing then & not be fun to deal with. China? Aren't you republicans the idiots that thought it was such a great idea to open their markets and trade with them? Brilliant. All we've done is create a competitor for a limited supply of oil. Nice move. The sooner we get to post oil energy, the better off we will be. So long as the corporate oil interests are behind more drilling and mining, we will not move in that direction. This is where real leadership is needed. We've seen Mccain cave to the oil industry (good move Senator Hothead) and know we cannot count on him to make the correct, long term decision. He is all about short term political gain and political self interest.

maxcrabb 8 years, 10 months ago

Lets all pool our money together, go to the German hospital that is such a hotspot, and support the troops ourselves. Anyone who is in can drop me a line.

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

"Scott0000, the first paragraph of your 2:17 post is 100% pure, total, unadulterated spin....."That is your opinion & you are entitled to it, but since neither of us was present when these events went down & none of us was in Obama's head to know his motivations when he made the decision, my version makes more sense to me than your self-serving version of events. Putting aside the issue of Obama's alleged horrible breach of these poor soldiers expectations to be able to spend a few moments visiting with the unpatriotic, liberal candidate for President, who, as someone mentioned previously, was greeted unethusiastically by the troops, and getting on to the issue of McCain eagerly using the soldiers for political purposes. Why do you not address that issue? Why would McCain, as Newsweek has reported, prepare campaign commercials in advance of Obama's great snubbing of these troops that criticize Obama for either visiting the troops and using them improperly during a campaign visit in one version and snubbing them in the other version (which McCain ended up using)

jhwk2008 8 years, 10 months ago

cato_the_elder (Anonymous) says:"Defender (sic) and Jhwk2008, calling someone a "liar" on this forum constitutes a defamatory statement against a fellow commenter ..."Nope, it's true that you are a liar; therefore, it is not libel. 1 August 2008 at 7:05 a.m."One major policy "change" embraced by Senator Obama that has radically distanced him from all candidates in recent memory, including Hillary Clinton, was his decision when he was in Germany to forgo visiting our wounded troops at Landstuhl Hospital in favor of continuing to buddy up with his German socialist comrades."Lie

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

Defender (sic) and Jhwk2008, calling someone a "liar" on this forum constitutes a defamatory statement against a fellow commenter, which according to the rules that I have read is prohibited. I would challenge you to find any previous instance in which I have referred to any other commenter on this forum as a "liar." The fact that you may not agree with my views cannot justify your conduct.

beatrice 8 years, 10 months ago

Lets just sum this all up:Anyone who supports John McCain is a lobbyist-loving racist white person who hates the working man and prefers that big business and the rich be given all the breaks possible when it comes to laws and taxes and loves the war in Iraq and hopes we fight more and more wars for the next one hundred years and that all future laws are based on Biblical laws and secretly hopes McCain will keep George Bush in that small room we now know all about in the Oval Office so McCain can get W.'s advice and approval on any and all decisions. Anyone who supports Barack Obama is a Socialist-loving far left liberal racist who hates all businesses with more than 8 employees and want all rich people to have all of their money and personal belongings taken away from them and dispursed among the poor and hate the 2nd ammendment and want all guns taken from peoples' homes by force if necessary and love taxes as high as possible and secretly wish our nation was in cahoots with Islamic extremists, since we all know that Obama is a Muslim at heart. Does that about sum it up?$500 pairs of shoes, $600 earings, bitter this, race-card that ...What about the real issues?!!! UGH!I'm sick of it, and I'm out of here. I'm tired of dealing with you people and I don't want to any longer! I'm done.(In other words, I'll catch y'all in a day or two.) Peace, bea

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

Scott, please don't cite Newsweek. I have never cited Fox News for anything when I have posted on this site, not because I view it as inherently untrustworthy but because I know that others will. If the story is confirmed by independent sources, then I'll look at it.

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

Orwell, if you're one of Senator Obama's fellow socialists, then you probably would view a genuinely stated concern about his socialist plans to tax productive Americans until they bleed as nothing but fear mongering.

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

What, besides more gwb, is McCain offering? Does he offer anything besides the failed policy of the last 7+ years?

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

Jhwk2008:Thanks for playing the role of the stereotypical ignorant and illiterate liberal today.Please quote exactly where I lied. Did Obama originally plan on visiting the troops in the military hospital in Germany? Yes or no?Was Obama told by officials that he could go, but the press could not go? Yes or no?After learning this from the officials, did Obama visit the troops in the military hospital? Yes or no?Now different conclusion can be drawn from those facts. But a conclusion based on facts is not a lie it is a deduction or an inference. Please stop using the typical liberal tactic of calling someone a liar without providing justification.

Corey Williams 8 years, 10 months ago

cato_the_elder (Anonymous) says:"Doofusplenty...""The tactic of childish name calling and personal attacks is often resorted to when someone fails to have any solid logical argument or reliable evidence."--Satirical (Anonymous)

RobertMarble 8 years, 10 months ago

"too good to be true?".....hardly...more fitting would be "too much of a scumbag to be real".

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

Geez, Dubraniac, is it still not clear to you that even based on the spin that you cite from one of Senator Obama's staffers, Obama would have been more than welcome to visit? Isn't it clear that your candidate and his handlers have been forced to resort to Clintonesque word-tactics about "the nature of his visit" solely for damage control? Is this the best you have? Again, the military commanders I heard interviewed made it quite clear that Obama's visit would have been welcome as long as his campaign staffers weren't present, which the senator could easily have chosen to do but didn't. The lame efforts by the Left at controlling the very serious damage that this has done to your candidate won't cut it, and are themselves blatantly insidious examples of the outright prevarication and/or half-truths that are more and more coming to be associated with Senator Obama and his entourage. By the way, are you aware of how many press personnel were on hand during John McCain's last visit to Landstuhl Hospital?

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

Satirical:Here's my conclusion:Your Fact 2 mistates things, at least as I follow the conversation. Obama was told that he could visit in his official Congressional capacity, but could not visit as a candidate. The campaign evidently concluded that since the Germany part of the visit was financed by the campaign, was, in fact, a campaign event (that's why Hagel & Reed, the other official members of the Congressional delegation that visited Iraq, had left) and the republicans would likely scream bloody murder if he did anything that even cam close to using the troops for purely political purposes, the safer route to take was to steer clear of anything that would pull the wounded soliders in to the political fighting. Fairly honorable, if you ask me. Someone else has inserted these wounded soldiers in to the midst of the political campaign and controversy. I wonder what honorable intentions were involved in dragging them in to it. And I wonder why, as Newsweek is now reporting, Mccain had commercials in the can to launch against Obama whether he visited the troops or did not visit the troops. It's almost as if he knew that the controversy was going to happen. Given the high ethical standard of the current adminstration and their habit of introducing politics in to the workings of all aspects of our government, it is a real mystery how that would have taken place.

Corey Williams 8 years, 10 months ago

"I'm not sure you're capable of weighing facts. After all, you just said Gore won in 2000 when the facts show that he did not."He won the popular vote. The SCOTUS gave Bush the electoral votes.

JHOK32 8 years, 10 months ago

At least now we have a chance to escape the grip of Bush and his big oil buddies that have financially raped this country. 4000 of our kids have died so that Exxon-Mobil can make the highest profits in U.S. history ($11 Billion dollars) - that WE are paying for. Not to mention the $500 Billion dollar debt that WE are paying for. I for one am sick to death of it!

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

Chuck Hagel, July 27, 2008:"Mr. McCain has stepped up his attacks on Mr. Obama in recent days, saying he "would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign." He also unveiled a television ad that questions Mr. Obama's skipping the troop visit. Senator Hagel of Nebraska, a longtime friend of Mr. McCain's, said both moves were inappropriate. "I think John is treading on some very thin ground here when he impugns motives and when we start to get into, 'You're less patriotic than me. I'm more patriotic,'"

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

Mr. Nancy, I have a great deal of respect for the positions he has taken on bush's illegal activities on domestic spying. Yes, he was one of the rabid folks who wasted a lot of time and money foolishly in the Clinton impeachment affair, but that does not mean his criticisms of our current President are not valid. Cato, yes, I snorted out a pretty good laugh at you supporting the MoveOn crowd. Come on over to the good side, you'll feel better once you do.

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

RR, I presume that you're referring to a flip-flop from his stated position that we can avoid the need for offshore drilling by making sure that our car tires are fully inflated and that our cars' engines have regular tune-ups.

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

"But he has to do so, just as any other senator has to do so, in his official capacity. It is not acceptable to do so as a candidate."This statement does not say Obama can't come, it says he CAN come "in his offical capacity," not as "a canddiate," i.e. with his campaign staff or the media."A spokesman for the base told NBC News that the base was prepared to host Sen. Obama, as long as some conditions were met."[H]e could only bring two or three of his Senate staff member, no campaign officials or workers. Obama could not bring any media. Only military photographers would be permitted to record Obama's visit. We didn't know why [the trip was canceled]. He was more than welcome. We were all ready for him.""These two quotes are entirely reconcilable.

hwarangdo 8 years, 10 months ago

Tyranny creeps in so subtly and quietly that no one realizes it is choking us to death. But some actually enjoy the destruction of a democracy, and delight in grinding those who believe in freedom into the dirt. In a thousand years no one will remember any of this great "debate" between those who believe in true freedom and those who believe in tyranny. It will all be lost in time.And that will be laughable.

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

Some of the posters on this site must be resorting to inaccurate spinformation that can only be found on radical left-wing blog sites in order to call me a "liar." According to every major legitimate news source that I have read, seen, or heard, including direct interviews with our military commanders, there is no question that Senator Obama chose to forgo meeting with our military personnel at Ramstein Air Base and our wounded troops at Landstuhl Hospital while he was in Germany, even though he had been welcome there as long as he complied with long-standing Department of Defense regulations concerning the presence of campaign staff. Are our military commanders liars too?

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

Tom, I said that I did not consider Fox News to be inherently untrustworthy, but that I knew that others who post here do. Your statement that I might be "sucking up to the moveon crowd" will presumably provide some level of humor for our leftist friends at the end of the day.

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

Mancityfooty:."The SCOTUS gave Bush the electoral votes"Are we really going to digress to the 2000 election? Bush had more votes in Florida and had more electoral votes. Democrats didn't want to count the overseas military votes. The Supreme Court said after numerous recounts in Florida that the system was an arbitrary process, and even though after every recount Bush still won.

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

Logicsound04:.I agree, this is a poorly written article (although I agree with the thrust of the argument that right now Obama is more about style than substance, hopefully he will eventually talk about what he means by change)Cato:.Your statement about Obama deciding not to visit the troops was 100% accurate. The only question is what his motivation was. Duplenty of course deliberately deceives people into thinking the Pentagon didn't want him to go, however I posted several days ago the entire quote where the Pentagon was clear to Obama when they told him that he could go to the hospital, but couldn't go with the press. He subsequently decided not to visit the military hospital. Of course his campaign is going to try to spin this. But your conclusion is logical. Labeling something a lie and proving it is a lie are two different things many liberals don't understand.stephenj:Funniest post of the day (so far)

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

Fight the smears dot com is a refreshing antidote to the professional haters who populate this space.

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

Jhwk2008:.Please stop while you are behind. You have been unequivocally proven wrong."See, that's a lie. I'm pretty sure he knew that reporters weren't allowed inside the hospital." - jhwk2008How is my question a lie? Can a question ever be a lie?Well, since you are "pretty sure" then that takes care of any questions (sarcasm intended). Whether he initially knew the media couldn't go with him or not is moot. The facts are he originally planned to go (in Germany), was told he could go but the media couldn't go, then decided the change his plans. Nothing you have quoted contradicts any of these facts.

Mkh 8 years, 10 months ago

I think those folks who believe Obama will bring meaningful "change" to the country are possibly the dumbest people walking on the Earth.Personally I have more faith in either the Easter Bunny or Santa. The truth is, Obama is just another puppet of the ruling class of bankers that took over this Republic about a hundred years ago.

thusspokezarathustra 8 years, 10 months ago

It would seem the military disagrees with Satirical , "I posted several days ago the entire quote where the Pentagon was clear to Obama when they told him that he could go to the hospital, but couldn't go with the press. He subsequently decided not to visit the military hospital."By Steve Mraz, Stars and StripesMideast edition, Friday, August 1, 2008LANDSTUHL, Germany - Although news outlets have reported charges that Sen. Barack Obama canceled his trip to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany because the media weren't allowed to cover the event, U.S. European Command officials say plans were in place to allow limited press coverage.All media, including local press and the more than 40 journalists accompanying the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee on his eight-day international trip last week, would have been able to photograph the Illinois senator entering and leaving the hospital, said Air Force Lt. Col. John Dorrian, a U.S. European Command spokesman. "

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

Thusspokezarathustra:"Perhaps if you had just quoted the Pentagon article instead of trying to pat yourself on the back you wouldn't have misspoken."I chose to paraphrase rather than spend time finding the article again. But when it was clear imbeciles would continue with the ignorant attacks I decided to find a different article that declares the same thing. Only a child makes the distinction you made, it was clear from the context I was referring to visiting the troops (which are INSIDE the hospital). But I guess when you can't prove someone wrong you have to take their statements out of context and waste everyone's time with a childish game.

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

Orwell, it's not that he can't, especially if he has a filibuster-proof Democrat Congress. It's what he can and wants to do to this country in many ways that is unacceptable to those who cherish individual liberty, the private ownership of property, and the economic and political freedoms and principles on which this country was founded, including the ability to own and operate a business or otherwise work in one's chosen field without undue governmental interference.

mmiller 8 years, 10 months ago

This Democrat, for the first time in his life, is voting Republican. BO is a FAKE. He has created maintained this "celebrity" persona. This is an election, not a popularity contest. In these tough times, I want a president who is ascertive and seasoned. I just don't feel comfortable and confidant in BO's political abilities.

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

Defender (sic), based on your incoherent post I can only assume that by 9:53 p.m. on a Friday night you are high on your favorite stimulant of choice.

TopJayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

But Scott 3460. Didn't you just say that a country with money flowing in is less llikely to be athreat to anyone. (I agree with that by the way) But then you turn right around and contradict yourself with your next statement about China. Which is it?And no, it is Cuba who is selling drilling rights to the Chinese, and if our mitlitary "earned their keep" (this is a disgusting condescending swipe at our military by the way) You would be the first to howl about American imperialism.

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

"I for one am sick to death of it!"Just remember, if you are sick of the status quo, you should vote for anyone but McCain. Giving more power to the crew that has us on the path to ruin is not he answer.

Godot 8 years, 10 months ago

Quote Obama, so many times it is impossible to link:"I, uh, uh, umm, I, if, umm, urrrh, what, ummm, if.... then, uhh, hmmm, well, thenn,, iff.. unhhh. and then,,,, hmmm. urrrr.And that was when he was on script.

cato_the_elder 8 years, 10 months ago

Orwell, why don't you talk about cutting spending instead of raising taxes? Between the lines of your posts, I suspect that you want to increase taxation on what you call "wealth," which I also suspect includes increasing income and other taxes on those earning over a certain amount of money that would classify them as what wealth redistributionists like to call "rich," while not concomitantly cutting, or instead even increasing, spending on what are euphemistically referred to as "social programs" - in other words, it makes sense that you would support Senator Obama. How about it - would you favor across-the-board, serious cuts in spending, which majorities of neither Republicans nor Democrats have for some time had the moxie to do, in order to ameliorate "the resulting debt to the Chinese?"

JSDAD 8 years, 10 months ago

such long answers to such a short question

malehrman 8 years, 10 months ago

Interesting that two editorials appearing on the same day are "Is Obama to good to be true" and "McCain's moment may be passed."Actually, no that is not interesting. What is interesting is that the Obama piece was penned by a partisan hack while the McCain column was written by Garrison Keillor.The byline says it all.

Godot 8 years, 10 months ago

Well, scott3460, I am referring only to the Obamamessiah when I talk about massive financial support from the massively corrupt financial industry. My condemnation of the corrupt and ignorant Congress includes all but a handful of Republicans and a scant one or two Democrats.Since you are hazarding a guess, you should do your homework. Start with Soros and his various hedge fund connections and 527 organizations, move to Buffet and employees of his numerous endeavors, then to Bill Gates and Microsoft, then to the evil (do not harm) Google boys, then Andrew Mozilo and Countrywide, Bank of America and its executives their bundled contributinos, and UBS (a Swiss bank, no less) then, then.........

Godot 8 years, 10 months ago

correction: Angelo Mozilo. Ask Chris Dodd, though he will claim he doesn't know him.,

Scott Drummond 8 years, 10 months ago

Right, Screed, yeah, right. You guys just no longer care about being truthful, do you? It must suck to know so far in advance that you are in such a desperate position. And, by the way, doesn't your heroic campaign finance reformer gets gads of cash from the oil and gas industry now that he's flipped his opinion on off-shore drilling?

maxcrabb 8 years, 10 months ago

So I guess i'm going to Germany to support the troops myself? For all the complaining you all do about who is the better candidate, who is more patriotic, who supports our freedoms the most, none of you, NONE! have the drive or ambition to see your own ideals through.When was the last time any of you took time out from hunting these boards to write to a soldier? Visit your local VA? Volunteer? I don't have to explain myself, and neither do you, so don't bother posting with "I do this and this and such and such!"Just go do it. And stop pandering to petty internet thugs.My real name is Max Crabb. Who are all you "people"?

Godot 8 years, 10 months ago

I wonder how much Bank of America has bundled for Obama?

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