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Obama disavows former pastor

April 30, 2008

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— Barack Obama essentially severed his friendship with his former pastor Tuesday, calling the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's speech a day earlier at the National Press Club "a show of disrespect to me" and saying it "directly contradicts everything that I've done during my life."

Obama's remarks in a televised news conference from North Carolina came as he responded to increasing pressure to distance himself from the racially divisive Wright in order to build trust with working-class white voters in his bid to secure the Democratic presidential nomination. He drew only about one-third of the white vote last week in Pennsylvania's primary. That trend has expanded in recent contests and troubles party insiders who are gauging which Democratic presidential candidate is likely to be strongest in November's election.

On Tuesday, the Illinois senator used words such as "divisive and destructive," "ridiculous," "outrageous" and "wrong" to describe the words of Wright, a man who was Obama's pastor for two decades, performed his wedding and baptized his children.

Obama also said he was "particularly angered" by Wright saying that Obama's denunciation of some of Wright's earlier remarks was only political posturing.

He said that Wright isn't the same man he thought he knew 20 years ago and that some of Wright's ideas have given "comfort to those who prey on hate."

With two potentially pivotal primary elections next Tuesday, Obama hopes that he can seal the nomination with wins in North Carolina and Indiana. But polls show that Indiana is up for grabs and that Obama's lead over rival Hillary Clinton in North Carolina has shrunk because of doubts among white voters.

"He had to do it," Ronald Walters, director of the African-American Leadership Center at the University of Maryland, said of Obama's news conference. "The media is infatuated by the interaction between the two. As long as there is the relationship, it seems to me that is not going to go away."

James McCann, a professor of political science at Purdue University in Indiana, said Obama's instinct is sound to try to distance himself from Wright, but that his remarks Tuesday may have come too late and "may not be good enough."

"For Hoosiers who fit the profile of the folks in Pennsylvania and Ohio who have tilted toward Clinton, the white ethnic economically insecure Hoosiers who might be tied to the auto industry or the steel industry, the Reverend Wright is not going to help Obama's cause. My instinct is, I don't know what it would take to bring those folks in. Because there's already been resistance."

Comments

oldvet 6 years, 8 months ago

As the good Rev. said himself, everything Obama does is for political gain... all style, no substance...

craigers 6 years, 8 months ago

I seriously doubt Wright suddenly changed his views and sermons just recently. With that being the case, Obama was under the study of this man for a long time. People would have no problem hanging a candidate out to dry if they had ties with Phelps' church. Why is this "minister" (and I say that loosely with Wright) and different? This is purely a political move on Obama's part and will hurt him either in the rest of the primaries or in the general election.

Ceallach 6 years, 8 months ago

You may be right, hawk. It may be too little too late for this election. But Obama is certainly not down and out as far as his political career is concerned. He is getting a taste of the "street fighting" of the big-wigs in DC and others who would use him for their own gain. I believe we will see a different candidate in his next campaign (should this one fail). He will be tougher, wiser and far less gullible to the wiles of old war horses like Jeremiah Wright. Which of course is more than a little scary since it will make him even harder to defeat. (Oh and learning how to successfully muzzle Michelle would also be to his advantage.)

Ceallach 6 years, 8 months ago

And now it's back . . . gonna be that kind of day!

preebo 6 years, 8 months ago

Can we let this non-story die?guilt by association can go only so far.This is petty, salacious, and irrelevent drivel. It has no place in deciding our next executive. This is nothing more then a result of the restless endless cable news cycle.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

Wright has a few ideas that are a bit out there, such as that AIDS was created by the US Govt (although the Reagan Admin's response to it was close to criminal) but by and large, he is correct in saying that his sermons are primarily descriptive. And they are often quite accurate, albeit from an African-American perspective, which tends to be quite understandably an angry one. It's easy to see why it took awhile for Obama to disavow him, and why it took a presidential campaign where Obama needs to attract the votes of a white culture that is very defensive about its historically reprehensible treatment of African-Americans.

yourworstnightmare 6 years, 8 months ago

Gee, what did Obama expect? A christian minister using this as an opportunity to promote himself? Shocking.Denouncing Wright is a good start, but let's denounce all religiously-insane, megalomaniacal christian ministers.

Ceallach 6 years, 8 months ago

petty, salacious, and irrelevent drivel**preebo, you are such a tease!

georgeofwesternkansas 6 years, 8 months ago

The dems could have run Lassie and won in a landslide, at what point do they figure this out?? In the land of "we the people" what the hell is a superdeligate? Is it the people are too stupid to decide and we need to maintain controll over the process??

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

"The dems could have run Lassie "The Republicans already did that, and Bush is constitutionally prohibited from running again, no matter what party nominates him.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

Yes, we know you always believe the hype, lucky_man.

vpete69 6 years, 8 months ago

duplenty: "How are any of these assinine quotes less offense than anything Wright said?"===============Maybe because none of the other candidates have been members of their church for 20 years.McCain, Clinton, Obama. <---------Reason I'm not voting.

vpete69 6 years, 8 months ago

I don't vote because I'm not presented with any real choices. I'm not going to go to the polls just so I can vote for someone that I don't want to be president. Why is that difficult to understand? I don't have the right to complain? I have every right to complain about our congress (and media) not being able to provide the american people with decent candidates because their too f'n wrapped up in trying to make butt buddies and accomplishing their own agendas. Candidates in the last 20 years:George BushMichael DukakisBill ClintonBob DoleAl GoreGWBJohn KerryHillary ClintonBarack OsamaJohn McCainEnough said. Duplenty, if you want me to vote...fine. Ill write in myself. Then once one of these douche bags gets elected, I'll have every right to say that you should have voted for me.

Roadkill_Rob 6 years, 8 months ago

This is why there should be a separation of church an state...but apparently, it's getting too hard to keep them separated in modern-day America.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

Get an arugula sandwich & a beer & watch the fireworks.It's all vastly amusing.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 8 months ago

not an empty story, not petty.how a man uses his money speaks volumes about his character. Obama and his wife have given many tens of thousands of dollars to wright's church. he sat under wright's teaching for twenty years. big big difference from mccain and hagee. as I have repeatedly pointed out: hagee is well known as a tbn nutbag false prophet. most christians know that about him. and he doesn't have the relationship with mccain that wright has had with obama, no comparison. what you lefty fringe ponsters are doing is just rying to deflect this very serious character issue away from obama, but it won't work. this may be what sinks obama's campaign, along with his elitist comment to san francisco rich liberal elitists that people in small towns *like here) cling to their guns and their faith because they are bitter. it is funny to read you far left fringies now trying to defend him. boozo actually digs the hole deeper. but it is telling about boozo's own character too. wright's comments made it clear that he does believe that the government manufactured aids and introduced it into the black male population on purpose to kill them. he does view u.s. and al-qaeda as moral equals. now, that fits right in with the merrill/bozo/duplenty hate america first bunch. they spend much more enemy fighting conservatives than they do about fighting the terrorists. that's telling about their characters too. barry h. o'bama: his pastor; his wife who hasn't been proud of america most of her adult life; his church preaching the marxist liberation theology and specifically the viscious black liberation theology, and his unrepentant domestic terrorist bomber buddy. the latter, o'bama had a fundraiser in his home. and, he met with him when he was beginning his political career. o'bama's spokesman says they are "friends." in the 9-11-01 new york times, o'bama's bomber buddy said they didn't do enough with bombing the pentagon and nypd hq. lack of judgment or lack of moral fiber. those certainly are not petty shallow issues.

Corey Williams 6 years, 8 months ago

How many people complaining about something Wright said have actually heard the entire speech/sermon rather than just the soundbites on the news or on youtube?

bearded_gnome 6 years, 8 months ago

another reason this seriously impunes obama's judgement is:he has had his little daughters under this racist's teaching. they are being taught to hate their grandmother and great grandmother.

Confrontation 6 years, 8 months ago

Wright is like many other religious leaders. He wants his 5 minutes, and he'll go against everything and everyone to get it. He wants his Jerry Falwell/Al Sharpton/Jim Bakker moment. He'll turn his back on everyone if it means more TV time or money.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 8 months ago

from world net daily about six weeks ago, an article about wright's theology. in an interview he cited james cone as a leader in black liberation thology:The theologian explains:Block quote startChrist is black therefore not because of some cultural or psychological need of black people, but because and only because Christ really enters into ourworld where the poor were despised and the black are, disclosing that he is with them enduring humiliation and pain and transforming oppressed slaves intoliberating servants.Block quote endRather than viewing God as a sovereign being who does as he wills according to his purposes, Cone insists God must do what we want him to do, or we mustreject him.What the black community wants, Cone says, is for God to assist in its goal of destroying "the white enemy."Block quote startBlack theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people,then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill gods who do not belong to the black community... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressedin Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participatingin this holy activity, we must reject his love.Block quote end

storm 6 years, 8 months ago

If Catholics don't follow the complete dogma of their Pope (c'mon y'all in the pews using birth control pills), and Buddahists their Lama, and Jewish people their Rabbi, then why do we assume Mr. Obama would follow Reverend Wright to the letter? Everyone go read Preebo....that pretty much sums up this non-news story.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 8 months ago

corey I heard most of wright's three media bubbles this past weekend. and, as I pointed out above, his comments actually supported the very racist, bigoted, hateful nature of the original quotes. further quotes surfaced recently from wright:he likened the cruel roman soldiers killing jesus on a cross to the u.s. marines.and, he explicitly compared al-qaeda and the u.s. as moral equivalents. its getting deeper and wider and barry h. o'bama's latest denunciation is too little, far too late.
and before some left fringie says wright was in the marines as some kinda lame defense of him making hatefilled rants, I will point out that another guy who served in the marines was: Lee Harvey Oswald.

cato_the_elder 6 years, 8 months ago

With all of the media-driven hoopla over Wright's "motivations," both real and imagined, it seems to me that the reasons for his recent conduct are really pretty basic: He has been an acknowledged leader in his local community for many years but has endured watching Jackson and Sharpton get all the national press. Wright obviously has a big ego (often a necessary trait for a leader), believes that he's much more charismatic than either of them, and has finally gotten his chance for his 15 minutes of fame. Other than a few liberal politicians and keyed-in political and religious activists, virtually no one outside of Chicago had ever heard of him until the Obama flap hit. I don't think that he's intentionally thrown Senator Obama under the bus either out of spite or as the result of any conspiratorial cabal - he's simply relishing the attention, and will continue to spew his Phelps-type hatred on the national stage for as long as the media will let him. If I were an Obama supporter, I'd really detest this guy.

georgeofwesternkansas 6 years, 8 months ago

You are who you hang out with. This is not a new or republican notion.Hey bozo, what the hell is a super deligate, and why do the dems have them??

Confrontation 6 years, 8 months ago

"You are who you hang out with."Wow! Won't that surprise BTK's friends! I bet they don't know that they're all perverted killers.

cato_the_elder 6 years, 8 months ago

Lucky_man, slight correction: Senator Clinton is not wearing "wolf's clothing" - unless, of course, wolves wear pantsuits.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 years, 8 months ago

craigers (Anonymous) says:I seriously doubt Wright suddenly changed his views and sermons just recently.Does your preacher give the same sermon over and over again? If so, it's time to fire him/her.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

"Hey bozo, what the hell is a super deligate, and why do the dems have them??"You'd have to ask the Democratic Party, dontcha think?But if you want my guess, it's so that, and this is just a hypothetical situation, if you have a black candidate who is leading in the race, and a bunch of racists who wouldn't vote for the candidiate anyway find a meaningless issue they can hype ad nauseam causing a small but still significant number of fence-sitting voters to vote for someone else, they can go with a "safe" candidate, perhaps the white wife of a white former president.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

I just heard an interview with a member of Wright's church, and she said that the sermons were rarely overtly political. She also thought Wright's actions over the last couple of days were mostly self-serving.

staff04 6 years, 8 months ago

Barbara Reynolds, Clinton supporter and National PRess Club Speaker's Committee Chair, arranged for Rev. Wright to speak on Monday.Suspicious, anyone?http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/wrightsetup.htmlMaking news for the sake of making news? I think Sen. Obama spoke eloquently in distancing himself from the Reverend. Yes, they had a long relationship with each other--fortunately, when Senator Obama saw that there was no way the relationship could move forward, he had the courage to end it. I think there is no doubt in Reverend Wright's mind, nor should there be any doubt in anyone's mind that the Senator disagrees wholeheartedly with every controversial statement that Reverend Wright has made.In the words of King Scalia, "Get over it."

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

The funny thing about this is that the people who are the most upset are the people who wouldn't have voted for Obama no matter who he was running against. Honestly, does anybody believe that self-proclaimed Republicans who demonize those of the other party with constant name-calling would have voted for a Democrat no matter who it is? Seriously, does anyone here think bearded-gnome, lucky-man/right-thinker, Marion, b3, pisa, etc... would have given Obama a resonable consideration? But no, bearded acts like he has some special knowledge about Obama's family and makes claims of poor parenting on behalf of Obama because his children have been taught to hate their grandparents -- and bearded knows this based on a couple of sound bites. What garbage. It is like having an opinion on a book you haven't read. It means nothing. I'm not trying to say the same doesn't happen on the other side. It certainly does, but as far as this story goes, it is making way too much about someone who isn't the guy actually running. It is the Britney Spears/Paris Hilton overexposure syndrome applied to the political arena.Has Wright said some stupid stuff over the years? Yes. Did Obama say he doesn't agree with said stupid stuff? Yes. Does any of this stupid stuff have anything to do with the war in Iraq, the economy, education of our children, oil prices and oil resources, the environment, an out of control budget and government spending, crime and punishment, or any of the other things that should be important to us as Americans? Hell no. And that is a real shame.

bondmen 6 years, 8 months ago

Rezko, ex-Weathermen and race baiting, anti-American conspiracy crazed reverends surround him. Are they there with his knowledge or is it all just a big surprise or a simple mistake? Whatever the answer, it clearly disqualifies him to be POTUS based on his lack of personal judgment. We all know by now one defines himself with those by which he surrounds himself.

georgeofwesternkansas 6 years, 8 months ago

"just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says: "Hey bozo, what the hell is a super deligate, and why do the dems have them??"You'd have to ask the Democratic Party, dontcha think?But if you want my guess, it's so that, and this is just a hypothetical situation, if you have a black candidate who is leading in the race, and a bunch of racists who wouldn't vote for the candidiate anyway find a meaningless issue they can hype ad nauseam causing a small but still significant number of fence-sitting voters to vote for someone else, they can go with a "safe" candidate, perhaps the white wife of a white former president."Or maybe you consider the people of your party too stupid to make the choice.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

"Or maybe you consider the people of your party too stupid to make the choice."If you wanted to call Democrats stupid, you didn't have to do it in such a roundabout way.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

"Bozo belongs to the Socialist party."Nope. Keep guessing.

akt2 6 years, 8 months ago

Obama is not very street wise when it comes to this kind of political game. He's getting tired and it is starting to show. Hillary on the other hand is getting stronger every day. She is getting ready to hand him his ass on a platter. I won't be voting for her, but it is interesting to watch.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

"Can you imagine the pressure on Obama to fill government positions with people like Wright if he becomes president. Our government would become just like sub-Sahara Africa."Even if that were true, it'd be an improvement over the current regime.

staff04 6 years, 8 months ago

"Can you imagine the pressure on Obama to fill government positions with people like Wright if he becomes president. Our government would become just like sub-Sahara Africa."Can anyone say "Regent University?"*snicker

sdinges 6 years, 8 months ago

duplenty: "Someone please, please explain to me why Obama get's the 24/7 colonoscopy over Wright, but nary a word about... (Right wing religious hate-mongers and their political associations)."Let me take a crack at it - Conservatives have gotten used to Fundamentalist hate mongers. They aren't viewed as being threatening to McCain's base. So they hate homosexuality, abortion, and are anti-semitic - while I would by no means say all Christians or all conservatives agree, they are at least used to hearing those views. Just like the black community isn't as up in arms about Wright. They're used to hearing Wright's views. Wright threatens the working class white voting block that Obama is relying on - that's why it's news.Second, while McCain has accepted the endorsement of questionable characters, he has never emphasized his decades long relationship with them. That's a big difference. Maybe he would have, if people had thought he was a secret Muslim. Maybe Obama exaggerated his connection to Wright to dismiss those Muslim rumors, but now it's too late to go back. Wright is probably angry about being used, dismissed and insulted - which s why he seems to have come out purposely to harm Obama.Thirdly, Wright's feelings about race make people defensive. It's not the same old anti-gay stuff - this is race. It is targeting a huge group - non-blacks - and alarming them. Thus, it's news.

cato_the_elder 6 years, 8 months ago

Those who are too young to have lived through the SDS, the Weathermen/Weather Underground, Bernadine Dohrn (who lives in Chicago), Mark Rudd et al. should understand that what Parkay is talking about is very serious stuff. While a notable few of these radical cretins have realized the error of their ways, most of them, who are now much older, chubbier, grayer and balder, desire nothing more than to recreate the ridiculous "revolution" they foolishly desired 40 years ago - and in that regard are the mirror image of the fascist Neo-Nazis in Germany who still function clandestinely today. If you are a young Democrat, you have absolutely no idea how badly these people hurt the image of your party in the late 60's, an image which to some extent remains. In attempting to tear down virtually everything America stood for, they alienated many Americans and were almost single-handedly responsible for the election of President Nixon in 1968. Perhaps if Senator Clinton gets the nomination they will all vote for Ralph Nader - but then again, he is probably too moderate for them.

notajayhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

First, I doubt Obama's going to be getting my vote. However:1) I think the good reverend is a despicable nutjob. Okay, he probably feels called to do this - he's been needling away with his 'message' for decades, probably more than a little frustrated that nobody was listening, and now, by the grace of having a presidential contender sitting in one of his pews, he's news. And the more outrageous he gets, the more he's news. It went to his head, and he figured he could cash in, and is trying to do so.2) Although I've heard that his sermons were a little out there even before, I can't say as I always pay that much attention in church, either. I have kids. Sometimes dragging the little one(s) from under the pew distracts one from the ministrations of the pastor. And I haven't seen anything as definite as 'On march 3rd of 1993 the reverend said blah blah blah in his sermon and Obama was sitting in the third row applauding.'3) So he didn't dump the guy right away. Big whoop. How many of you have been friends with someone for many years, and one day they come out and say something disparaging about a certain group - do you stop associating with them immediately, after decades of friendship? If they keep it up, then maybe it's time to say hey, maybe you didn't know the person as well as you thought, and then you dump them - which is what Obama did.Like I said, I doubt I'm voting for the guy, but this isn't the reason. This is a lot of nothing, I don't think you can hold what his minister says against him personally. I just hope the Democrats who are defending him can keep half as much an open mind the next time a fanatical evengelist endorses a Republican.

1wetwilly 6 years, 8 months ago

Please win Obama, please win. Then select as your cabinet members the "Reverend" Jackson and the "Reverend" Sharpton and the "Reverend" Wright and the "Reverend" Farakhan and all the other "Reverends" in your community. The USA needs this kind of leadership. Please win Obama.

Rationalanimal 6 years, 8 months ago

This is Jeremiah Wright using Obama and the media to leap frog Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as the leader of the black/anger movement. Mark it down. Obama, bless his innocent heart, could never have seen this coming in the 20 years he sat in Rev. Wright's church, asked the man to marry him, baptize his children, and stand as his spiritual mentor. This is about 19 years too late. BO used JW to get to where he is at just as much as JW is now using BO to get to where he wants to be. It illustrates poor judgment and fails to pass the smell test of sincerity after his previous speech that they all are family and you just can't dump your crazy drunk uncle that shows up uninvited to Thanksgiving dinner. The chicks have indeed come home to roost as the good reverend says.

Godot 6 years, 8 months ago

Obama threw Wright under the bus because Wright made it very apparent that Obama is not "black enough." Wright did this by modeling the acceptable "black" philosophy and behavior. Check out Wright's demonstration of the difference in style and culture between marching bands in Minnesota and Florida for the embodiment of racial sterotypying.Obama has made a valiant effort to overcome his middle class white upbringing. He chose the right city, the right wife, the right church, and he wrote the right books, all to prove that he is really black. Now that Reverend Wright has shown, quite publicly, that Obama is not really "black," Obama has no more use for Wright.

jonas 6 years, 8 months ago

Summers_Eve (Anonymous) says:"Many of the comments confirm this blog has a thick heady stecnh of hard-core America haters way over to the left; they agree with and/or take up for Wright."Do you ever say anything that is either true or supportable? Have I just not been on the right threads?

kansas778 6 years, 8 months ago

A man is known by the company he keeps.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

Plugging your own stinking pit of a 'forum' again, marioni?networksolutions dot com's whois search reveals interesting things

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

It appears mudslide has been sent off the pitch.

Eileen Jones 6 years, 8 months ago

Great. Now can we get back on topic?What are we as a nation going to do about the mess George W. Bush is leaving for us and our children to clean up?Obama engages people. When he leads, people want to be part of the solution.Hillary is only pandering to people who want to know, what is the government going to do for ME? The crumbs she wants to throw us in the form of an 18 cent gas tax freeze - for a couple of months - is an example of how little she thinks of us. She thinks she can buy our votes with a couple of dollars. Let Americans save America, with Obama as their leader. Otherwise, it will not happen.

Ceallach 6 years, 8 months ago

Obama engages people. When he leads, people want to be part of the solution.***That's all well and good, but would be more helpful if we knew more about his solutions. Yes we can! only goes so far, sooner or later one has to ask . . . can what? Promising change is not enough, we need to know what he plans to change and how he intends to accomplish those plans. Changes are not always good.

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

Happy 5th Annivesary of "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq everyone! I would recommend that everyone get together and build a bon-fire, but I realize people probably can't afford the gasoline. (In other words, perhaps it is time to start concentrating on the real issues.)

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

Marion trying to be cute again. ouchMarion, you say Obama is as racist as any Klansman. Do you speak from experience? How are we to take anything you write seriously. If you hadn't notice, Wright isn't the one who is running for President. Also, Obama isn't the one who said the inflammatory stuff. If guilt by association is enough to convince you of Obama being a racist, John McCain was reprimanded by Congress for his attempts to gain favors for businessman Charles Keating, whose failed savings and loan company cost people and pensions billions. So does this mean McCain is a bankrupt businessman? (Again, I ask thinking you might know from experience.)

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