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Sebelius signs bill criminalizing hallucinogenic herb salvia
April 27, 2008
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Topeka — Kansas is now one of nine states in the country that have criminalized the illicit use of salvia divinorum, a hallucinogenic herb.
Gov. Kathleen Sebelius has signed legislation banning the possession, use or sale of the drug, which has long been legal in the U.S. and used in shamanistic rituals in southern Mexico.
Almost 20 other states are considering making the drug illegal as well.
Landscapers often use the broad leaf for ground cover. Smoking or chewing a concentrated extract of the plant produces hallucinations, a perception of overlapping realities, dizziness and impaired speech, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency.
It was mentioned as playing a part in the suicide of a Delaware teenager in 2006, which brought it to the notice of officials in many states.
Tom Stanton, president of the Kansas County and District Attorneys Association, said he became interested after hearing about the Delaware suicide and seeing videos on the Internet of teenagers under the drug’s influence.
Stanton said he didn’t have any statistics to show how widespread the drug’s use is, but he said the Internet videos were enough for him to determine its use needed to be controlled.
Jon Sloan, owner of Persephone’s Journey in Lawrence, disagreed, saying the bad behavior of a few teens on the Internet should not lead to the substance’s criminalization.
Sloan’s store sells salvia, and he said it could prove to have medicinal benefits.
Thomas Prisinzano, a medicinal chemistry professor at Kansas University, has participated in studies of salvinorum A, the psychoactive substance found in salvia. He has said salvia could be used to treat pain and possibly depression and Alzheimer’s disease.
Stanton, however, said few comprehensive studies have been conducted to determine salvia’s long- and short-term effect on the brain and the state shouldn’t take any risks.
27 April 2008 at 12:35 a.m.
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Ragingbear (Anonymous) says…
This is stupid. The high from it last roughly 5 minutes, with an afterglow that last for about an hour. For that 5 minutes of time, you just spent 50$. It's so stupid to even chase after this stuff. It's not something that is going to be a habitual item for anyone.
27 April 2008 at 9:48 a.m.
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tumbilweed (Anonymous) says…
one suicide attributed to salvia and watching some videos of teens under its influence is the impetus……? (according to the article..)
why don't we have them watch videos of full grown adults under the influence of alcohol, and peruse some overwhelming statistics of alcoholism-related suicides and accidents, and hear testimony of how the legal drug alcohol destroys lives? taken in a similar context, i ask, why is alcohol legal? probably because prohibition didn't work.
this IS stupid, and a waste of time. how much money will be allocated to yet another pointless war to divert our attention from the real problems that face us?
27 April 2008 at 10:23 a.m.
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Ragingbear (Anonymous) says…
“This is stupid. The high from it last roughly 5 minutes, with an afterglow that last for about an hour. For that 5 minutes of time, you just spent 50$. It's so stupid to even chase after this stuff. It's not something that is going to be a habitual item for anyone.”
How long does the high for cocaine last, and how much does it cost? And you're prices are off. You could get a little tin at the store downtown for about $20, and it had enough in it to support about five uses. I don't know if the side-effects of these drugs are dangerous in the long term, but I don't plan on using it ever again. It felt dangerous, at least to me. I can't say that I really can get behind criminalization, but I think it's effect on the body should be studies carefully.
27 April 2008 at 10:31 a.m.
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littlegrace (Anonymous) says…
So does that mean the salvia in my yard must be removed?
27 April 2008 at 10:34 a.m.
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Ragingbear (Anonymous) says…
Jonas, I am talking from practical experience. First of all, a $20 tin of the stuff you would get one dose (Unless everyone saw this coming recently and made some super clearance sales). It has to be concentrated to pack the whollop you see on the net. The stuff is not cheap, and I would not quite say that the stuff was the most pleasant experience, although I was unable to stop laughing (regardless of desire) for a few minutes.
I haven't ever done LSD, but I can tell you that it has a powerful, yet short lived, hallucinogenic experience. Things were melting into one another, and that 6th sense of the world around you that everyone has had expanded to cover half a city block. Within 5 minutes the entire experience was over, with a mellowing sensation that was not a big deal. You don't desire more, it's not that type of high.
I believe this stuff has potential for pharmacological development, but it's getting absolutely insane now that we have people using Youtube to determine if an item should be legal or not.
Not to mention that it grows everywhere, especially since it's a landscapers tool. How exactly do you regulate something that common? We aren't even talking about marijuana, where it has to be bred for potency.
27 April 2008 at 10:49 a.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
littlegrace (Anonymous) says…
So does that mean the salvia in my yard must be removed?”
Marion writes:
That is exactly what it means.
27 April 2008 at 11:13 a.m.
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jonas (Anonymous) says…
Raginbear: I too was speaking from experience, just so you know. Maybe you have a biologically high tolerance to foreign substances. I haven't looked on the net, but I could have gotten 5 doses out of the tin that I bought, and each dose would have been strong enough for the effect and duration that you wrote. I threw it away after the 1st (2nd really, a friend gave me some to try), because the experience was extremely unpleasant and absolutely impossible to either predict or control. My vision tessellated to the point that I was literally blind for about 2 minutes. No fun.
Again, I don't support criminalization, for most drugs, really. Implementation and enforcement cost more than the drugs themselves, in all categories. But, we should know how a drug does the things that it does.
27 April 2008 at 11:27 a.m.
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CAclarks (Anonymous) says…
There are about a dozen varieties of salvia which is the botannical name for sage. What are we talking about here? Is the spice illegal too, now?
27 April 2008 at 11:35 a.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
And The War On The American People continues unabated.
27 April 2008 at 11:55 a.m.
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smitty (Anonymous) says…
I think it's more like 200 different sages(salvia).
Salvia divinorum has been classified a schedule 1 drug along with heroin, cocaine, etc.
Historical use is for shamans. Saliva divinorum is a member of the mint family from Mexico, where it has been used by Mazatec curanderos (medicine men) for centuries.
My question for now is this….is this made illegal because of our immigration policies have allowed such a large influx of Mexicans that we want to surpress any form of spiritual practices outside of the USA's dominate religion?
27 April 2008 at 11:56 a.m.
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duplenty (Anonymous) says…
So let's see..fully automatic machine guns - sure, why the hell not!
Some random herb that hasn't killed anyone - hell no!
Seems a quick and easy way to keep those prisons full….
27 April 2008 at 12:09 p.m.
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smitty (Anonymous) says…
Forgot to mention…..KU Pharmaceutical Department is involved with this mint herb through research to establish a safe, effective, non-addictive pain killer from it.
Reportedly, Salvinorin A is a uniquely potent and highly selective kappa-opioid receptor agonist, that has tremendous potential for the development of a wide variety of valuable medications. The most promising of these include safe non-addictive analgesics, antidepressants, short-acting anesthetics that do not depress respiration, and drugs to treat disorders characterized by alterations in the perception, including schizophrenia, Alzheimer's disease, and bipolar disorder.
Next question…..did the drug companies had anything to do with this mint 's illegal status?
27 April 2008 at 12:10 p.m.
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JohnBrown (Anonymous) says…
littlegrace: You can go ahead and grow your garden varieties of Salvia. The genus Salvia (tribe Mentheae, Lamiaceae) represents an enormous and cosmopolitan assemblage of nearly 1000 species displaying a remarkable range of variation. Salvia has undergone marked species radiations in three regions of the world: Central and South America (500 spp.), central Asia/ Mediterranean (250 spp.), and eastern Asia (90 spp.).
(Source: (American Journal of Botany. 2004;91:1115-1125.).
Making one species illegal does not make the entire genus illegal.
27 April 2008 at 12:17 p.m.
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smitty (Anonymous) says…
Next question….will this illegal status now offer an opportunity for the Pharm school to benefit through gov grants?
We are a capitalistic society and must keep the money flowing.
27 April 2008 at 12:44 p.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
Jimsom weed was also included in this new law.
From the text of the bill:
“(30) Salvia divinorum
Meaning all parts of the plant presently classified botanically as Salvia
divinorum, whether growing or not, the seeds thereof, any extract
from any part of such plant, and every compound, manufacture,
salts, isomers and salts of isomers whenever the existance of such
salts, isomers and salts of isomers is possible within the specific
chemical designation, derivative, mixture or preparation of that
plant, its seeds or extracts.”
27 April 2008 at 12:47 p.m.
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smitty (Anonymous) says…
Ks Rep Peggy Mast of Emporia sponsored this bill.
27 April 2008 at 1:09 p.m.
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27 April 2008 at 1:16 p.m.
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27 April 2008 at 1:19 p.m.
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27 April 2008 at 1:22 p.m.
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27 April 2008 at 2:14 p.m.
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Buggie7 (Anonymous) says…
While they are at it the might as well Ban fire extinguishers too. Thats a popular thing too teens sniffing whats inside to get the high. Not only that but butane lighters and spray paint and some glue too dont forget to throw that in. I had to go get some paint for my sons project beacuse they wouldnt seel it to them. What our teens need is more freakin structure and a hell of alot of more chores and work. hmmmm my punctuation sucks I should lay off the lighter butane lol joking
27 April 2008 at 2:46 p.m.
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RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says…
Marion: How does the law include Jimson Weed? Jimson weed belongs to the family solanaceae, which included potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, eggplants, etc. It's genus is Datura. Salvia is just another genus of plants in the family Lamiaciae, which includes all mints, coleus, and many sages. So, no, you don't have to remove the salvia from your yard. In fact, I would bet that you could grow Salvia divinorum without getting caught; most law-enforcement people wouldn't be plant-savvy enough to identify it.
This law is completely stupid. Let's say I put a video of myself intentionally hyperventilating, blabbering, and passing out on YouTube. Will they criminalize oxygen? I've tried Salvia, and I honestly don't know what they hype is about.
27 April 2008 at 2:50 p.m.
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RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says…
Just another way to make criminals out of good people.
27 April 2008 at 3:35 p.m.
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1029 (Anonymous) says…
Salvia costs $10/gram. Those $20(?) tins that supposedly contain “five experiences” are a joke. That $10 bag will give you and your friends several days of facinating apocalyptic experiences in which you see a parallel reality and are led to believe that you have been imagining your entire life and what you see now is what is truly real. You go to a place in which you know you are not supposed to be. The penalty is a gripping apocalyptic vision in which you briefly wonder if your entire life has been an imagination. The feeling is that you can't go back, so the moment when you do begin to make your way back, you are overcome with an amazing happiness and you love your friends and everything in life. You saw the other side, saw something that shouldn't have been seen.
Those YouTube videos are stupid. The intense period lasts a lot less than five minutes, so maybe politicians should just smoke it to know what it is like, before they form opinions about it. You don't even have to hit it more than once. (you have to hold it in as long as you can, though, otherwise you'll think salvia is nothing. it's not like smoking something else and it takes longer to absorb. you'll feel it immediately when you finally release the smoke.)
I was always amazed that it was legal. I definitely could see someone killing themself or someone else because they felt like they couldn't handle what they were seeing. Especially if you overdo it and try taking multiple bong hits. The thing is, it hits you too fast to really be able to hit it more than once, provided you are holding it in as long as you can.
Anyway, everyone should try it once. I have no need to ever see it again.
27 April 2008 at 3:44 p.m.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…
We should have more fear of the wave of Japanese suicides by gases made from bathroom products.
There, current fear, is that in many places, these usually present items are now sold out in many places, they fear a great more people will die, taking rescuers with them.
Bath salts and cleaning products will be outlawed next.
27 April 2008 at 3:53 p.m.
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mr_economy (Anonymous) says…
Tried it once a few years ago with some friends, it did nothing for me. My roommate and his girlfriend, however, both swore I was a two-dimensional painting on the wall.
27 April 2008 at 3:56 p.m.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…
chuckles
Shouldn't your screen name be “Flat_Economy” ?
27 April 2008 at 4:42 p.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says…
Marion: How does the law include Jimson Weed? Jimson weed belongs to the family solanaceae, which included potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, eggplants, etc. It's genus is Datura. Salvia is just another genus of plants in the family ”
Marion writes:
They added jimsom weed at the last minute. I haven't found the complete text of the bill yet.
Don't get mad at me, I didn't do it!
The legislature passed it and Kathy signed off on it!
27 April 2008 at 4:53 p.m.
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RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says…
I'm not getting mad at you, Marion. I like your stance on these issues. Also, based on your quote of my post, I'm not sure you understand what I was saying—but maybe you do. Jimson weed (Datura spp.) is in the family Solanaceae and unrelated to plants in the family Lamiaciae, to which the species Salvia divinorum belongs. There are many, many, many other salvia species out there that are not illegal, many of which are quite common landscaping plants. I sent Kathy a letter saying it was a bad idea, but hey, since when do politicians listen?
27 April 2008 at 5:07 p.m.
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classclown (Anonymous) says…
Wow maaaan… Why do they keep going after everything in my “herb garden” maaan? Now I got to make more room in the basement to grow another one of my “herbs” maaan.
What am I supposed to grow in my garden now maaan? Like plants or something?
Maaaan.
27 April 2008 at 5:15 p.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
Red:
Sorry, man; I been workin' on the ridin' mower and it done p*ssed me off, so I'm touchy!
Lol!
Found the reference:
http://www.kslegislature.org/bills/2008/…
It seems to me that there are other forms of Salvia, not covered by the law which are psychotropic but I'll have to check with the supplier in the UK.
From the citation:
“(30) Salvia divinorum or salvinorum A; all parts of the plant presently
classified botanically as salvia divinorum, whether growing or not,
the seeds thereof, any extract from any part of such plant, and every
compound, manufacture, salts, derivative, mixture or preparation of
such plant, its seeds or extracts.
(31) Datura stramonium, commonly known as gypsum weed or jimson
weed; all parts of the plant presently classified botanically as datura
stramonium, whether growing or not, the seeds thereof, any extract
from any part of such plant, and every compound, manufacture,
salts, derivative, mixture or preparation of such plant, its seeds or
extracts.”
27 April 2008 at 6:19 p.m.
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MCwzMC (Anonymous) says…
Good Job. Maybe they should make all of the drugs in PiHKAL and Tihkal illegal too. There are only a few thousand left. Its a losing battle, but of course, the constituents that this was meant to placate are too high on their own ignorance to come to that realization.
If at first you don't succeed, deflect attention from your previous failures by failing at something new.
27 April 2008 at 6:23 p.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
Nice post MC!
27 April 2008 at 7:12 p.m.
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MCwzMC (Anonymous) says…
What was the impetus behind this bill anyway?
Is this the best they can do?
“It was mentioned as playing a part in the suicide of a Delaware teenager in 2006, which brought it to the notice of officials in many states.”
In short, this law was a product of the availability heuristic - mere anecdotal evidence. Rather than engage in a rational cost-benefit analysis, our lawmakers pass laws based on anecdotal evidence. If it weren't for the fact that I expect little more that sheer incompetence from the Kansas legislature, I would be disappointed. Instead, they merely reaffirmed the level of public disservice that I have come to expect.
27 April 2008 at 7:43 p.m.
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27 April 2008 at 8 p.m.
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
They got jimson weed in Wyandotte Co?
27 April 2008 at 8:04 p.m.
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27 April 2008 at 8:30 p.m.
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gogoplata (Anonymous) says…
This is a great example of the stupidity of the war on drugs.
27 April 2008 at 8:38 p.m.
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27 April 2008 at 8:44 p.m.
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RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says…
Look out farmers, you have ditchweed at the edges of your fields and jimson weed in your hogyards! That means you're criminals in Kansas!
By the way, who is going to have the botanical knowledge to enforce these laws?
27 April 2008 at 8:48 p.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
Red:
Good point and you have gone right to the heart of the matter!
I got a buddy in the UK who makes a bloody fortune selling salvia “incense”!
LOL!
He just cut off sales to Kansas!
Kansas!
Just as stupid as you think it is!
27 April 2008 at 9:31 p.m.
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
Back in the old days (the early to mid 90s), Salvia is what you bought when you ran dry on weed. I have smoked Salvia and it is garbage. Some smart guy marketed it to head shops and everyone followed. This bill is yet another example of gov't being fooled by non-issues. If some stoner kid thinks he can get his kicks off Salvia, then good for him (he can't). I don't know if you need pure Salvia or a medicine man around or what, but this is complete overreaction ala 1980s BS “drugs are bad, politics need fuel, ban anything resembling a drug, get elected” type attitude from our elected officials.
This was mentioned earlier, but Salvia you get from your nursery is not this stuff. Similar to how ditchweed is not marijuana.
27 April 2008 at 10:17 p.m.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…
My house was in a “new” nieghborhood, but next to me were 6-8 empty lots. They weren't being mowed, but no problem, we were backed up to empty land anyway. One day walking down the street, I noticed some stray weed growing, visible to the street.
Knowing some jr high kid was going to see it and think he'd made a great find, and the fall out from that would result.
So I called LE and told them all of the above.
An officer came out, and then left.
Believe me, those lots were mowed in two days.
27 April 2008 at 10:54 p.m.
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lounger (Anonymous) says…
This is bogus! Pharmys are much worse. But hey the government doesnt get perks from lobbyists when it comes to salvia because there are NO lobbyists for salvia. There sure are Loads and Loads of lobbyists for the poison they pawn off on the general public as pharmys. Another reason to feel like your not being represented in Kansas! Also the Tobacco pipes being outlawed because they get lumped together with Horrible meth head users is a joke as well. Its like saying all people who drink are alcoholics-very silly Indeed!!!!
27 April 2008 at 11:08 p.m.
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MCwzMC (Anonymous) says…
Who needs facts when you have youtube?
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“Tom Stanton, president of the Kansas County and District Attorneys Association, said he became interested after hearing about the Delaware suicide and seeing videos on the Internet of teenagers under the drug's influence.
Stanton said he didn't have any statistics to show how widespread the drug's use is, but he said the Internet videos were enough for him to determine its use needed to be controlled.”
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/mostpopular…
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It's sad that so little thought goes into these decisions - especially when it involves criminalizing behavior.
Perhaps intrade.com should start a betting pool on what Kansas will criminalize next?
27 April 2008 at 11:26 p.m.
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PeteJayhawk (Anonymous) says…
More stupid, pointless governmental interference.
27 April 2008 at 11:43 p.m.
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MCwzMC (Anonymous) says…
From the looks of the legislative history, it looks like a few fringe interest groups pushed the bill (with the help of one senator) and everyone else hopped on-board to avoid drawing the ire of Kansas' large social conservative constituency.
http://www.kslegislature.org/supplementa…
http://www.kslegislature.org/bills/2008/…
28 April 2008 at 8:11 a.m.
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gr (Anonymous) says…
“Landscapers often use the broad leaf for ground cover.”
And the purpose of that statement in the article would be…..
“It was mentioned as playing a part in the suicide of a Delaware teenager “
Loser sebelius at it again. Can't she find some coal plant to smoke?
What if someone eats pokeweed and dies? Ban pokeweed?
“Jimson weed (Datura spp.) is in the family Solanaceae and unrelated to plants in the family Lamiaciae, to which the species Salvia divinorum belongs.”
Redwood, you are trying to make sense of laws and that they should be related. That's not always true, but should be. However in this case, Salvia is just #30 of many substances.
Whereas the specific Salvia would have to be intentionally planted to be growing here, Jimson weed grows naturally. So now loser sebelius criminalizes people who let weeds grow in their yards? What about the state letting it grow along the highways! I dare someone to turn the state in.
But, based on the above link, is Jimson weed allowed or banned?
28 April 2008 at 10:14 a.m.
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ralphralph (Anonymous) says…
Kathleen Nation.
28 April 2008 at 10:31 a.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
Jimson weed banned.
Evil, just like that maryjuwanna stuff.
28 April 2008 at 10:39 a.m.
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lovenhaight (Anonymous) says…
I don't think many people out there were really enjoying themselves smoking salvia anyway. Its good for a headache more than anything else…it is just a way for younger kids to carry and smoke a “drug” that was legal. (Until now, of course)
I'd still rather be around a stoner or salvia smoker than a drunk person.
28 April 2008 at 12:14 p.m.
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gr (Anonymous) says…
“t is just a way for younger kids to carry and smoke a “drug” that was legal. (Until now, of course)”
Good point!
Now, there's going to be a big rush to it, prices increase, big industry created. Thanks a lot, sebil.
28 April 2008 at 12:29 p.m.
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autie (Anonymous) says…
From what I've heard, this stuff is about as dangerous as catnip..Boy howdy, is that next? My felines will be really upset if they outlaw Nepeta cataria. I believe it is in the same family as the salvia.
28 April 2008 at 12:39 p.m.
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Poon (Anonymous) says…
When I get to be governor, I will ban Poison Ivy. That plant has caused me more trouble than any other weed I have encountered.
28 April 2008 at 12:53 p.m.
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geniusmannumber1 (Anonymous) says…
I'm curious as to whether it's A) personal distaste for the governor on other issues; B) a misunderstanding of the branches of Kansas government; or C) the literal reading of the LJW headline that's left all the commenters with the impression that Sebelius is solely responsible for this measure.
28 April 2008 at 3:44 p.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
I think that both the legislature and the governor are to blame for this idiotic piece of biosolids legislation.
The legislature for making a problem where there wasn't on; further promoting the abusive and ignorant War on Drugs; more correctly known as “The War On The American People” and Komrade Kathy for signing off this this piece of crap only to further her political ambitions.
28 April 2008 at 5:18 p.m.
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
“When I get to be governor, I will ban Poison Ivy” Poon
I can get behind that. Where do I send my campaign contribution?
28 April 2008 at 6:45 p.m.
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
Poison Ivy should be banned. Harley Quinn, on the other hand, should be encouraged.
28 April 2008 at 8:11 p.m.
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Calliope877 (Anonymous) says…
Never much cared for it.
Weed is better.
28 April 2008 at 8:24 p.m.
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Godot (Anonymous) says…
Her Silliness could have vetoed this ridiculous bill, just like she did the coal plant bills. She chose not to. The buck stops with her.
28 April 2008 at 9:13 p.m.
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
Wow, somebody was leaning on the “delete” key this evening.
28 April 2008 at 9:31 p.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
Who got disappearded?
28 April 2008 at 9:33 p.m.
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offtotheright (Anonymous) says…
Stupid!
28 April 2008 at 9:39 p.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
Godot (Anonymous) says…
Her Silliness could have vetoed this ridiculous bill, just like she did the coal plant bills. She chose not to. The buck stops with her.”
Marion writes:
*GREAT* post!
Kathy is hot for the VP slot and will do anything to get it!
28 April 2008 at 9:50 p.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
“Her silliness”!
Cracked me up real good and caused me to spill my adult beverage on my keyboard!
Also made my ribs hurt!
28 April 2008 at 9:52 p.m.
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Newell_Post (Anonymous) says…
When I first saw this headline, I misread it as saying “….Criminalizing Hallucinogenic Saliva….” My first thought was “OMG, the toad suckers will be up in arms and out in force!”
28 April 2008 at 10:18 p.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
That's Bufotenin.
A derivative of toad skin from some species of toad, which name I forget right now.
If ya wanna know, Google it; I'm too tired to do the homework tonight.
29 April 2008 at 1:05 a.m.
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Newell_Post (Anonymous) says…
Sorry, Marion. Sucking the slime off of live toads to get high isn't my idea of a fun Monday night. I'll stick to arguing theology with the holy rollers and architecture with cool and the gang. With a little luck, I'll drive them all into early-onset carpal tunnel syndrome….
29 April 2008 at 1:07 a.m.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…
ROFFLE!
29 April 2008 at 2:39 a.m.
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RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says…
Has anyone seen the Simpons episode where Homer licks the toads? His pupils dilate every time he licks one.
29 April 2008 at 9:13 a.m.
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mongo55 (Anonymous) says…
Just remember how stupid these people are when it's time for re-election if any of you vote.