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Silent tsunami’ of global hunger looms

April 23, 2008

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— Ration cards. Genetically modified crops. The end of pile-it-high, sell-it-cheap supermarkets.

These possible solutions to the first global food crisis since World War II - which the World Food Program says already threatens 20 million of the poorest children - are complex and controversial. And they may not even solve the problem as demand continues to soar.

A "silent tsunami" of hunger is sweeping the world's most desperate nations, said Josette Sheeran, the WFP's executive director, speaking Tuesday at a London summit on the crisis.

The skyrocketing cost of food staples, stoked by rising fuel prices, unpredictable weather and demand from India and China, has already sparked sometimes violent protests across the Caribbean, Africa and Asia.

The price of rice has more than doubled in the last five weeks, she said. The World Bank estimates food prices have risen by 83 percent in three years.

"What we are seeing now is affecting more people on every continent," Sheeran told a news conference.

Hosting talks with Sheeran, lawmakers and experts, British Prime Gordon Brown said the spiraling prices threaten to plunge millions back into poverty and reverse progress on alleviating misery in the developing world.

"Tackling hunger is a moral challenge to each of us and it is also a threat to the political and economic stability of nations," Brown said.

Malaysia's embattled prime minister is already under pressure over the price increases and has launched a major rice-growing project. Indonesia's government needed to revise its annual budget to respond.

Unrest over the food crisis has led to deaths in Cameroon and Haiti, cost Haitian Prime Minister Jacques Edouard Alexis his job, caused hungry textile workers to clash with police in Bangladesh, and stoked protests in Egypt and across Latin America.

Former U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said more protests in other developing nations appear likely. "We are going through a very serious crisis and we are going to see lots of food strikes and demonstrations," Annan told reporters in Geneva.

Comments

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

You got me pegged, bowhunter-- I'm that overweight black woman on welfare with 19 kids and 3 cadillacs. Man, you're perceptive.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

Do you have to demonstrate your utter and total ignorance on every thread, gr?

gr 6 years, 8 months ago

I hope all the enviro-wackos are satisfied with their efforts.They are the ones causing this increase in food prices. Widening the gap between the rich and those starving to death. Force alternative energy on everyone at six times the cost, driving up the food prices, and they say, oh well, too bad the poor can't afford food, but it's ok as long as we prevent imaginary CO2 pollution.

kansas778 6 years, 8 months ago

More proof that the prevailing condition of humanity is poverty and hunger, and that the US and other wealthy countries are the exception. We should look at what got us where we are and hold on to that, instead of the ruinous policies of "change" that seek "justice."

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

"We should look at what got us where we are and hold on to that, instead of the ruinous policies of "change" that seek "justice.""That would be 5% of the world's population using 25% of its resources. "Holding" on is precisely what the war in Iraq is about, and you can see how well that's going. I say it's time for plan B, rather than the same old death, destruction and plain-old thievery of other's resources.

staff04 6 years, 8 months ago

We could stop paying farmers to not grow crops in this country...that might be a place to start.

jafs 6 years, 8 months ago

The big push for ethanol is very disturbing to me - it is clearly a bad idea on many levels, and it's very unfortunate that some are touting it for environmental reasons.That said, it is the policies of Republican administrations that give tax breaks to the rich and remove social programs to help the poor that are widening the gap.Why shouldn't large corporations pay their fair share of taxes?Why should people who don't need help get it while people who actually need help are unable to?All of the "free market, market forces", etc. people should at least be in favor of the immediate cessation of all corporate/business subsidies.

staff04 6 years, 8 months ago

Not sure why I have to go to the Times of India for an article that should be front page news in the US, but...http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Earth/Worlds_breadbasket_faces_food_crisis/articleshow/2973424.cms

salad 6 years, 8 months ago

gr (Anonymous) says: "I hope all the enviro-wackos are satisfied with their efforts.They are the ones causing this increase in food prices."Well, that's complete BS, but I will say that the fact that a gazillion people in the 3rd world are hungry is their own dang fault. Granted, I may use more resources, but I pay for em, and I also don't feel the macho need to have 27 kids and keep the women down. They want us to quit using OUR corn to make ethanol so WE can ship it to them??? I think we let the market decide where the farmer can get the best price for his hard work, right?BTW, using corn to make ethanol is not such a great idea. We can do better.

georgeofwesternkansas 6 years, 8 months ago

"That said, it is the policies of Republican administrations that give tax breaks to the rich and remove social programs to help the poor that are widening the gap."Ever have a poor man give you a job?? Enough of this class envy crap.You want a strong job market, you want the economy to do well. News Flash, to have a strong job market the economy has to do well, that means someone is getting rich. Someone that will create more jobs so they can become even richer. Its called success.You call it corporate welfare, I call it a jobs program.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

"You call it corporate welfare, I call it a jobs program."What you describe is faith-based "magic."

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 7 months ago

"This is the fruits of liberalism/socialism/communism when it gets control of policy-food shortages, energy shortages, gas lines, inflation."Well, "liberalism/socialism/communism" has not been in control-- neocon/neoliberal (funny how those terms are nearly synonymous) have been in control. And guess what, we have food shortages, energy shortages, gas lines, inflation.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

I was responding to the text quoted, not the "thread," although the hoarding of the world's resources by a relatively small percentage of its population is the very broad cause of most of the problems of the world. And I'll gladly hold on to my logic, rather than trying to identify precisely what yours is.

salad 6 years, 8 months ago

"although the hoarding of the world's resources by a relatively small percentage of its population is the very broad cause of most of the problems of the world."No way chief. Not to dispute the fact that americans and europeans aren't a bunch of greedy bastards, but it's the rest of the 3rd world breeding themselves into oblivion that causes most of the worlds problems. And then it seems left to us to fix the problems that the uneducated mass has created. The 3rd worlds nuclear weapon is the womb.

Confrontation 6 years, 8 months ago

All of this famine won't stop the Big Oil Execs from getting their massive bonuses. It'll be another record profit for the oil companies.

staff04 6 years, 8 months ago

"I don't care about the future, just me, here and nowand to hell with everyone else."Sort of funny, considering the all time record deficit and debt the "conservatives have given us, huh?Marion, I proposed something that will help. The government pays farmers to not grow crops, mainly sugar. Rather then give them subsidies to not grow sugar, how about helping them grow something else?

gr 6 years, 8 months ago

salad, don't you have the big heart."They want us to quit using OUR corn to make ethanol so WE can ship it to them??? I think we let the market decide where the farmer can get the best price for his hard work, right?"Oh, I agree the market should drive things. However, when enviro-wackos think that CO2 is pollution, then lobby congress and artificially create a market for something which should not be and then the result artificially increases food prices, that is where they are the ones causing the problems and the deaths and the rainforest destruction and the permanent soil destruction among other things. Don't go saying as I said they would, oh, not our fault. It's the market. We have nothing to do with it. Our nose is clean. We only think about the imagined pollution.

Sigmund 6 years, 8 months ago

Here is an idea, quit growing corn for E85 and use it instead for food, then we could drill for oil off shore and in ANWAR and use that for gas instead! I know more crazy talk from the guy who thinks "saving the planet" from global warming should not be done by starving millions of human beings in the third world.

Sigmund 6 years, 8 months ago

Agnostick (Anonymous) says: "Very, very interesting (not to mention blowing a gaping hole into the "ethanol makes people hungry" myth)"Actually the huge cash based payouts for corn encourage farmers to grow more corn and less of other crops, leading to a shortages of other crops. There is limited land, energy, and labor for agriculture and all the E85 subsidies has put those resources to use for a type of corn best suited to E85 N.B. This is NOT sweet corn or corn on the cob with salt and butter type of corn that you would buy at Los Merc or Dillons.

staff04 6 years, 8 months ago

Agnostick, don't forget that, according to the Republican Administration's Department of Energy, drilling in ANWR would save 1 cent per gallon...by 2025.http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/hr/hrprovisions.html

jafs 6 years, 8 months ago

From the little I know:Corn is an extremely resource heavy and soil depleting crop.Ethanol burns less efficiently than gasoline.Huge subsidies for corn-for-ethanol are distorting the markets.I'm not advocating using up all of the oil/gas, or drilling for more - I just don't like the idea of people thinking ethanol is the answer.How about voluntarily reducing our use of limited resources? I come into contact on a daily basis with buildings that are overheated in winter and overcooled in summer. I know people who leave their heat/ac on even if they're going to be gone for long periods of time, and people who heat at night.We heat about 67-8 during the winter, don't heat the bedroom at all, and turn off the heat at night (keeping the temperature warm enough to avoid freezing pipes, of course).Our average monthly electric bill is about $34, and our average gas bill is about $54.I'm around a lot during the day, and we have a dishwasher and a washer/dryer, computer, etc.You can live quite comfortably and still conserve energy - and, it saves money!

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

I am so moved by the love of humanity and good Christian values that flow from this board! It must take some real inner strength for a Christian nation and its Christian members to say "Fk the poor! Fk the hungry! We need to make sure our corporate executives are getting richer in the hopes that we will get some of their table scraps!" True Reaganomics in action. God Bless America ... And Nowhere Else!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

screedposter-- "Again, how do you think you are convincing anyone, on a thread about food, when the USA is a net exporter of food?"Food has become a commodity. Sure the US exports a lot of food, but the net effect is that the subsidized US food commodities undercut food production in third-world countries, destroying their production. This not only leads to unemployment of one-time farmers (many of whom are now undocumented workers in the US) but when production goes down for whatever reason, people go hungry, often the one-time farmers who used to grow their own."I just can't get in your head."Lucky me."Unless you actually believe that the USA is "hoarding" food (which it exports)"There is a huge amount that used to be exported that's now getting burned up by soccer moms in their SUV's. There's also a lot of grain that gets feed to livestock, and with the Chinese eating more and more meat, there's that much less grain on the market for human consumption.

Sigmund 6 years, 8 months ago

Fill up an SUV's fuel tank with ethanol and you have used enough maize to feed a person for a year. And it affects them indirectly, as farmers switch to maize from other crops. The 30m tonnes of extra maize going to ethanol this year amounts to half the fall in the world's overall grain stocks.http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displaystory.cfm?subjectid=7216688&story_id=10252015Save the Planet by starving the Third World!

Sigmund 6 years, 8 months ago

"Whatever the supposed threat-the lack of food security, rural poverty, environmental stewardship-the world seems to have only one solution: government intervention. Most of the subsidies and trade barriers have come at a huge cost. The trillions of dollars spent supporting farmers in rich countries have led to higher taxes, worse food, intensively farmed monocultures, overproduction and world prices that wreck the lives of poor farmers in the emerging markets. And for what? Despite the help, plenty of Western farmers have been beset by poverty. Increasing productivity means you need fewer farmers, which steadily drives the least efficient off the land. Even a vast subsidy cannot reverse that."The Economist, "The Silent Tsunami" (April 17, 2008)http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11050146"Over the past few years, a sense has grown that the rich are hogging the world's wealth. In poor countries, widening income inequality takes the form of a gap between city and country: incomes have been rising faster for urban dwellers than for rural ones. If handled properly, dearer food is a once-in-a-generation chance to narrow income disparities and to wean rich farmers from subsidies and help poor ones. The ultimate reward, though, is not merely theirs: it is to make the world richer and fairer."The Economist, "The End To Cheap Food" (December 6, 2007)http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displaystory.cfm?subjectid=7216688&story_id=10252015

Rationalanimal 6 years, 7 months ago

"Ration cards. Genetically modified crops. The end of pile-it-high, sell-it-cheap supermarkets"++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++This is the fruits of liberalism/socialism/communism when it gets control of policy--food shortages, energy shortages, gas lines, inflation. Such was the norm in the "Great Society," a/k/a communist Russia, that American socialists strive for. The perverse thing is such people will demand even more control to solve the problems their policies create, i.e. global warming is destroying our planet, "we have to stop debating and act now." We have acted by diverting our food source to fuel as a result of refraining from extracting the energy which is right under our feet. And it is starving the world. For liberals though, there is a bright side. We'll kill off a few hundred million people through starvation and bring the world population into equillibrium. Ends justify the means and it doesn't matter how many hundreds of millions suffer, right? Turns out the world isn't such a great place without evil Wal-mart after all.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

as usual Aggie is completely fact-free and totally out to lunch.. from recent Wash post, Ethanol does drive up tortilla prices in mexico:A Culinary and Cultural Staple in CrisisMexico Grapples With Soaring Prices for Corn -- and TortillasBy Manuel Roig-FranziaWashington Post Foreign ServiceSaturday, January 27, 2007; A01NEZAHUALCOYOTL,Mexico --Thick, doughy tortillas roll hot off the conveyor belt all day at Aurora Rosales's little shop in this congested city built on a dry lake bed east of MexicoCity.Using cooking techniques that date to the Mayan empire, Rosales has never altered her recipe. Nor did her father, grandfather or great-grandfather.On good days, the neighbors line up for her tortillas.But these are not good days, and sometimes hours pass without any customers.Mexico is in the grip of the worst tortilla crisis in its modern history. Dramatically rising international corn prices, spurred by demand for the grain-basedfuel ethanol, have led to expensive tortillas. That, in turn, has led to lower sales for vendors such as Rosales and angry protests by consumers.The uproar is exposing this country's outsize dependence on tortillas in its diet -- especially among the poor -- and testing the acumen of the new president,Felipe Calderón. It is also raising questions about the powerful businesses that dominate the Mexican corn market and are suspected by some lawmakers andregulators of unfair speculation and monopoly practices.Tortilla prices have tripled or quadrupled in some parts of Mexico since last summer. On Jan. 18, Calderón announced an agreement with business leaderscapping tortilla prices at 78 cents per kilogram, or 2.2 pounds, less than half the highest reported prices. The president's move was a throwback to aprevious era when Mexico controlled prices -- the government subsidized tortillas until 1999, at which point cheap corn imports were rising under the NAFTAtrade agreement. It was also a surprise given his carefully crafted image as an avowed supporter of free trade."There are certainly some contradictions in Calderón's positions here," said Arturo Puente, an economist at the National Institute for Forestry, Agriculture

kansas778 6 years, 7 months ago

Agnostick (Anonymous) says: I'm sure the "liberals" feel good now, knowing it was really their programs and ideas that helped win World War II on the home front. Ration stamps, "victory gardens," scrap & metal drives (just another form of recycling).*****Actually a lot of these measures were completely unneccessary and the government was stuck with tons of extra materials that it had to throw away.

gr 6 years, 7 months ago

Speaking of waste of bandwidth, Aggie is a prime example by listing the whole article rather than just the link. Isn't that against LJW forum policies?And all he can say for his wasted space is that liberalism has artificially created an environment leading "Corporate greed, government bungling, corruption, and bad planning".High food prices, people starving weren't at such global levels as it has been since this chicken-little-CO2-is-pollution nonsense started. It appears to me Aggie is lashing out as the results of his ilk is coming to light - large increases in food costsgreater starvinggreater loss of rainforestspermanent soil destructionAnd one "backing" of this, incase you ignored it before ishttp://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1725975,00.html

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

okay, as usual aggie can't respond directly, but engages in poorly aimed, meaningless smears that really just miss the mark totally. what is funny here, by posting the whole article, in violation of policy (and calling me names in the process) he is arguing that the very liberal government in mexico is really to blame, and not what the article actually says! wow, aggie, this is a real new low for you on the board. I wonder why the ljworld hasn't disappeareded your butt already. those reading should note that aggie engaged in addressing me with namecalling, and tried a massive multipost diversion from the actual post of the beginning of the article that stated the point I was making! year plus three months, he/she says not recent, so what, lose points for pedantism too. the problem outlined in this article continues to this day in mexico, too. little annoying point conveniently overlooked by aggie. readers should particularly note aggie's behavior being quite uncivil, amazingly uncivil. he/she has a history of trying very hard to shut down those of disagreement with agnostic. finally, he/she conveniently overlooks the point that when ethanol corn is grown, it takes up resources that otherwise could go to raising food corn, again proving my point. aggie apparently really went crazy because o my post and it should be very instructive to those reading, now you know how to truly evaluate anything posted by aggie. sound and fury, signifying nothing! note that you now cannot buy big bags of rice in samsclub and other megaretailers. the international crisis of rice is coming up. the u.n. wants to fix this with more government intervention...lame. what actually needs to happen: grow more rice/corn/wheat, etc. change policies in especially third world countries to make growing crops more profitable! in the '80s there was a huge famine in ethiopia. why? it was the fault of the communist (read leftist) government and its completely destructive farming policies. ethiopia didn't need to have a famine. they don't have such a famine now...why? no more communist government.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

this from about the same time, in the liberal SF paper.Prices for corn tortillas, a staple of Mexican diet and culture, are soaring south of the border.Some tortilla prices in Mexico have risen as much as 60 percent, hurting the low-income people who depend on it as their basic food.Elizabeth Rosas, a 20-year-old office cleaner in Mexico City, was discouraged to find that her usual tortilla shop this week raised the price of its corntortillas from 8 pesos (73 cents) to 10 pesos (91 cents) a kilogram."My family doesn't have the budget to pay more for tortillas," said Rosas, who makes $40 a week and shares a two-bedroom apartment with her husband, fiverelatives and her newborn son. --- Just why tortillas cost so much remains murky.Corn prices are spiking in the United States, with crop yields low and demand high. The production of the gasoline additive ethanol has taken off in thepast year, consuming millions of bushels of corn. --- Mexico also said it will import 650,000 tons of white corn, mainly from the United States, to helplower tortilla prices. --- Some economists say the culprit could be globalization, as products around the world increasingly are linked in a complex supplychain."The price of oil is driving up the price of corn (because of increased ethanol production), which is driving up the price of tortillas," said Peter Navarro,a business professor at UC Irvine. "You push on one thing and another thing moves," added Navarro, the author of "If It's Raining in Brazil, Buy Starbucks."He said the U.S. ethanol stampede could be thought of "as a regressive tax on Mexico, because it raises the price of a basic commodity. In economics, wecall these general equilibrium effects. Something happens in one market and it ripples through other markets."(Excerpt) Read more atsfgate.com ...TOPICS:

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

is march '08 recent enough for bloodthirsty uncivil Aggie? here's from the toronto postRising corn prices to feed the ethanol industry invariably impact food prices, too. And the entire chain can be disrupted.Hog and beef producers are suffering badly due to the high price of corn-based feed. Last week U.S. Pilgrim's Pride, one of the country's biggest poultryproducers, cut 1,100 jobs and closed one of its massive processing plants and half its distribution centres. Its justification: "Unprecedented increases"in feed costs.And this is relatively comfortable First World suffering at the hands of the corn boom. In Mexico, where corn is a revered component of an ancient diet until recently, it was considered sacrilege to feed it to animals large-scale protests about the cost of tortillas, a Mexican diet staple made fromcorn flour, have become commonplace, touched off when 75,000 took to the streets of Mexico City last year when tortillas quadrupled in price in just afew months. Once again, the voracious U.S. ethanol industry was cited as the culprit.IT ALL SERVES as something of a cautionary tale to Ontario's still-nascent ethanol industry. Ontario corn, by its own description, is "basically an in-houseoperation," Cowan says. Very little is exported; almost none is imported. But in an ethanol-fuelled future, that will have to change."If we had a below-average yield one year, where would it all come from?" asks Bill Deen, a professor in the plant agriculture department at the Universityof Guelph.Deen, who studies cropping systems and agronomy in the province, doesn't see a solution. "Virtually all the farmable land base in the province is in use,"he says. "What we're using is pretty much it."

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/346536and there's the link for the toronto star's article that details more than the effect of ethanol on mexican tortilla prices! it is a huge article listing many many effects. so, once again, poor aggie is shown to be as I said fact-free. this demonstrates just how meaningless his/her posts really are. again, note the uncivil vicious attack on my person. shows what the far left fringies are really like. you vote demorat party, you do empower people like aggie. remember at the polls.

Sigmund 6 years, 7 months ago

The cost of food is skyrocketing in the US for several reasons. The cost of energy is skyrocketing; oil because of the falling dollar and increased demand from China and electricity because political demands for more expensive alternative sources. Assuming you aren't using the slave labor of illegal workers the cost of energy is likely to be one of your largest expenses running a modern farm.But overwhelmingly the US governments policies encouraging growing maize for E85 is the largest single factor for increasing food prices. Why gamble growing anything else when the government gives you incentives and reduces your risks? Especially now when the cost of oil and electricity are so high. This reduces the amount of other crops that are grown and increases their prices."America's ethanol programme is a product of government subsidies. There are more than 200 different kinds, as well as a 54 cents-a-gallon tariff on imported ethanol. That keeps out greener Brazilian ethanol, which is made from sugar rather than maize. Federal subsidies alone cost $7 billion a year (equal to around $1.90 a gallon)."The Economist, "Food Prices - Cheap No More: Rising incomes in Asia and ethanol subsidies in America have put an end to a long era of falling food prices" (December 6th 2007)http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10250420&CFID=3370335&CFTOKEN=30591198"But the rise in prices is also the self-inflicted result of America's reckless ethanol subsidies. This year biofuels will take a third of America's (record) maize harvest. That affects food markets directly: fill up an SUV's fuel tank with ethanol and you have used enough maize to feed a person for a year. And it affects them indirectly, as farmers switch to maize from other crops. The 30m tonnes of extra maize going to ethanol this year amounts to half the fall in the world's overall grain stocks".The Economist, "The End To Cheap Food" (December 6, 2007)http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displaystory.cfm?subjectid=7216688&story_id=10252015And finally, here is the article that coined the phrase "Silent Tsunami."The Economist, "The Silent Tsunami" (April 17, 2008)http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11050146I apologize in advance if the articles are filled with facts, analysis of the facts, and are critical of Democrats, Republicans, Liberals, and Conservatives. it just worked out that way.

Rationalanimal 6 years, 7 months ago

"Well, "liberalism/socialism/communism" has not been in control- neocon/neoliberal (funny how those terms are nearly synonymous) have been in control. And guess what, we have food shortages, energy shortages, gas lines, inflation."++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Oil has doubled in price since the democrats took control of Congress. Just can't bear to bring yourself to the truth can you bozo?You lie to end even when if a few hundred million end up starving to death. But hey, a few less carbon footprints for your green movement, right?The fact is we are doing this to ourselves. There is oil gushing all around the world. The liberals in this country like ALGore have prevented us from drilling and using it. All in the name of global warming which the cause is about as real as the plagerism in Al Gore's "documentary"/re-run of the Day After Tomorrow. We are subsidizing farmers to grow an unsustainable amout of corn to support our energy needs. Wind power isn't economicallyor technically feasible, people like bozo are brow-beating us to put light bulds full of mercury in our homes, and every other idiotic Chicken Little the world is coming to an end scare message. The dirty secret is, the people who are pushing global warming and these environmental policies have set themselves up to financially benefit from a scam. This is a scam far larger in scale than Amway, Enron, Global Crossing, Worldcom combined It is insane and a large number of Americans right now are following lunatics like sheep over an economic cliff.The earth does not need to be saved from apocalyptic destruction. You fools.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

very well said rationalanimal! yes the manmade global warming hoax is causing huge trouble for our economy and this false religion will cause much more if we do the things they push for! the earth has been warmer than this before.solar output has much more to do with global changes in temp. thanks for the articles sigmund, nicely done! it is worth noting that uncivil foulmouthed agnostic doesn't even have the grace to apologize or admit that he/she was wrong! oh, your article was dated dec '07, that might not be recent enough for him/her. now, agnostic just wants to see this comment thread fall off the lists and be forgotten since he/she was so thoroughly bested. again, if you vote demorat, you empower people like agnostic.barry h. o'bama makes it clear in his speeches, he fully accepts the manmade global warming myth. now in the house is a bill that would raise the price of gas 20-50cents a gallon to enforce* energy conservation. yes, and guess it, that's right this is being backed by demorats...raising taxes to try to control behavior. wow, who would've thought that of the demorats?

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

Hey system admin:***why have you not removed agnostic's 11;43 a.m. post? it does violate the rules for this forum. also, after that, he posts a full article.

Sigmund 6 years, 7 months ago

Agnostick (Anonymous) says: "No need to apologize-there's enough blame and bad decisions to go around:"True enough and it looks like it isn't going to get better anytime soon, "Hillary Clinton and John McCain used to be against ethanol subsidies, but have changed their minds." Strangely, this happened around the time of the Iowa Caucuses. Go figure.

Sigmund 6 years, 7 months ago

With a little political courage from the right or the left at least we could do away with the government payments NOT to grow food as happened this year when the European Union suspended the "set aside" part of its common agricultural policy. Wait a minute, did I say "political" and "courage" in the same sentence??? What are the chances Nancy Boyda or Pat Roberts are ever going to go for that. Recipients in 66044 received $10,998,818 from 1995-20061 Pine Family Farms Gen Prn Lawrence, KS 66044 $1,094,539.012 Nunemaker-ross Inc Lawrence, KS 66044 $874,929.153 Mulberry Agricultural Ent Lawrence, KS 66044 $874,375.524 Jim Grinter Farms Inc Lawrence, KS 66044 $642,650.295 Robert W Lewis Trust Lawrence, KS 66044 $512,039.116 Betty Jo Haley Rev Trust Lawrence, KS 66044 $434,294.597 Harvey Burwick Revocable Trust Lawrence, KS 66044 $286,777.008 Douglas J Compton Lawrence, KS 66044 $261,215.839 Hurlbut Management Lc Lawrence, KS 66044 $259,142.0010 L & R Inc Lawrence, KS 66044 $242,805.9711 Pine Family Farms Lawrence, KS 66044 $211,377.0012 Farmland Industries Inc Lawrence, KS 66044 $167,205.7313 Gary E Price Lawrence, KS 66044 $149,116.0014 Lisa Brady Lawrence, KS 66044 $119,387.1015 David Heller Lawrence, KS 66044 $112,752.8116 Morris Kay Lawrence, KS 66044 $105,113.1917 Michael D Hemphill Lawrence, KS 66044 $104,973.9718 Morris Garvin Trust Lawrence, KS 66044 $103,717.5019 John W Young And Susan I Young Re Lawrence, KS 66044 $93,899.3020 Monte Torneden Lawrence, KS 66044 $92,679.99http://farm.ewg.org/farm/addrsearch.php?s=yup&stab=US&city=&zip=66044&z=See+Recipients&last=&first=&fullname=Recipients in 66049 received $9,618,508 from 1995-20061 Triple B Farms Ptn Lawrence, KS 66049 $628,562.702 Paul B Heyman Lawrence, KS 66049 $299,606.293 Denning-santee Agco Inc Lawrence, KS 66049 $288,581.094 Frances N Vanblaricum Lawrence, KS 66049 $287,729.935 William F Simpson Lawrence, KS 66049 $199,250.886 John C Stover Lawrence, KS 66049 $192,101.447 Carol L Mcwilliams Lawrence, KS 66049 $192,035.408 Cenu Inc Lawrence, KS 66049 $178,958.499 Virginia B Edwards Lawrence, KS 66049 $167,247.5410 Joanne K Stone Lawrence, KS 66049 $159,026.7211 Anthony Andrew Schmidt Lawrence, KS 66049 $157,418.0012 Gary E Price Lawrence, KS 66049 $149,116.0013 Robert A Schehrer Rev Trust Lawrence, KS 66049 $148,998.5914 Heck Alfred And Sons Lc Lawrence, KS 66049 $147,639.9815 Jean F Shepherd Lawrence, KS 66049 $141,769.0016 Alexander & Lindsey LLC Lawrence, KS 66049 $131,452.4317 E Keith Rasmussen Lawrence, KS 66049 $121,374.7818 Doneta Gates Lawrence, KS 66049 $118,315.4019 Norma D Caleb Trust Lawrence, KS 66049 $103,426.7920 Dale Miller Lawrence, KS 66049 $100,962.37http://farm.ewg.org/farm/addrsearch.php?s=yup&stab=US&city=&zip=66049&z=See+Recipients&last=&first=&fullname=Honestly, I think we are doomed as long as the current crop of politicians are in office.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

poor agnostic, the hits just keep on comin'! this is from the april 25th 2008 new york sunwww.nysun.com search for ethanol.indeed, ethanol is starving third world citizens.With prices for rice, wheat, and corn soaring, food-related unrest has broken out in places such asHaiti,Indonesia,andAfghanistan.Several countries have blocked the export of grain. There is even talk that governments could fall if they cannot bring food costs down.One factor being blamed for the price hikes is the use of government subsidies to promote the use of corn for ethanol production. An estimated 30% of America'scorn crop now goes to fuel, not food."I don't think anybody knows precisely how much ethanol contributes to the run-up in food prices, but the contribution is clearly substantial," a professorof applied economics and law at theUniversity of Minnesota,C.Ford Runge,said. A study by aWashingtonthink tank, theInternational Food Policy Research Institute,indicated that between a quarter and a third of the recent hike in commodities prices is attributable to biofuels.Last year, Mr. Runge and a colleague,Benjamin Senauer,wrote an article in Foreign Affairs, "How Biofuels Could Starve the Poor."

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

and, to add more to agnostic's embarrassment.when you go to www.nysun.comsearch just for ethanol. you will find at least three other articles in this year referencing the same point, plus some more from last year! agnostic: you have really been bested. again, a vote for the demorats is a vote to empower people like aggie. friends don't let friends vote demorat.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

and,aggie, try reading the lawrence journal world!http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/apr/15/food_costs_rising_fast_clip_forces_vendors_explain/april 15 2008, shows how ethanol is increasing our food costs! good links in the comment section too! this is just the firstljw article I found. is april 15, 2008 recent enough for you you bile spewing foulmouthed slug?

Sigmund 6 years, 7 months ago

"I don't think anybody knows precisely how much ethanol contributes to the run-up in food prices, but the contribution is clearly substantial," a professor of applied economics and law at the University of Minnesota, C. Ford Runge, said. A study by a Washington think tank, the International Food Policy Research Institute, indicated that between a quarter and a third of the recent hike in commodities prices is attributable to biofuels."http://www.nysun.com/news/food-crisis-eclipsing-climate-change

Sigmund 6 years, 7 months ago

Did anyone else notice that once I published a list of Lawrence, Kansas residents who are receiving farm subsidies this artice is no longer on the "Most Discussed" lists?

gr 6 years, 7 months ago

"poor agnostic, the hits just keep on comin'! this is from the april 25th 2008 new york sun"That's almost a whole day old! Do you have anything a little more recent? How about something from two days in the future? He/she might call that recent. Now, if we were talking about global warming, then there would be a lot wider range - as long as it supports his/her belief system.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

well put gr! that's right, once again Agnostic has been exposed as the foulmouthed lowrent fraud he/she really is! siggy, you quoted from same as my quote above, thanks for the compliment bro! did you note that there a whole set of articles on this theme at the NYSun? if you go back as far as fifteen months, despite Agnostics bleeting, you sure find a lot of articles indicating the fact that ethanol and the resources/subsidies devoted to it, are dramatically contributing to global hunger and increased prices home and abroad. further, siggy, I think you don't need to be paranoid. I saw this comment two or three times on the "most popular" list. what's happening though, is that Aggie is putting his/her head in the sand, and not adding posts, in hopes this thread will just drop off. then, his/her vivid disgrace will be hidden from public notice. so Siggy, we need to keep posting. some of the names on your list I expected. and, if I own land for a business in farming, what are my choices. unfortunately the feds have set up a very skewed and dysfunctional subsidy system. so, do I not take the money and turn down further profits? well, that's not an easy choice when you have land, taxes, employees, family to support, etc.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/apr/12/food_aid_meeting_comes_amid_soaring_prices_growing/yet another LJWorld april '08 article indicating that ethanol and the resources devoted to it are contributing significantly to the rise in food prices and famine abroad!

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/apr/04/corn_hits_6_tight_supplies/Yet another article on the same theme, from april '08 LJWorld. poor aggie, it just gets wider and deeper.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/feb/26/world_still_needs_creative_energy_ideas/from feb '08, on the topic that ethanol isn't such a friendly fuel for the goals of the greeniewheenies! I skipped two other articles in LJWorld that reffed rising prices due to ethanol resource diversion/subsidies. its always been right there in the ljworld. too bad agnostic doesn't read things that make him/her a little uncomfortable..

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

here you go Sigmund, at this time the most popular:Weblog:The Backyard Fence BlogApril 23, 2008 * 80 commentsChristian license plate debated in LegislatureApril 25, 2008 * 125 comments'Silent tsunami' of global hunger loomsApril 23, 2008 * 77 commentsLone Steer BBQ opens on East 23rdApril 25, 2008 * 64 commentsThe 'truth'April 25, 2008 * 13 commentsCarried awayApril 25, 2008 * 8 commentsGOP to blameApril 24, 2008 * 178 comments2 plead guilty to selling stolen goodsApril 22, 2008 * 193 commentsStay out of itApril 25, 2008 * 51 commentsBaldwin City police arrest woman on drug chargesApril 25, 2008 * 7 commentslist end

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

The Republicans caused a drought in Austrailia and over-population in India and China? You my friend, are a moron.damn, it sure feels good to be a Republican! I had no idea we had so much power, even to affect the mating habits of people on the other side of the earth! looking at one of agnostic's posts saying let india/china cling to old tech, but america "we can do better" what this really means: punish america and the first world, say nothing about the so-called greenhouse gases from the developing world. punish those who feed more of the world.yes, america uses more resources than its per centage of the world's population, but we also feed more of the world too. further, we also invent and make life better for more of the world than any other country. france doesn't speak german because of our blood and treasure. many many millions are free today from soviet tyrany because of our military strength facing down the evil empire. liberals just wanted to get along with the evil empire, not free the people it ruled. nice to know we republicans can cause drought and overpopulation. like the guy/girl on a recent thread who said that the earthquake in IL was GWB's fault! yeah, right. and, oh, we invented the transistor the computer* etc. obviously aggie is simply one of the "hate america first" crowd of bloodthirsty liberals.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

hey IGW, maybe we could institute a new form of tax. taxes rise only on people like bozo/ dirk, and the others you listed. wouldn't that be innovative. they could pay more and we would not. might help them with their guilt about being americans in the first world. merrill wants us to live in third world existence anyway. *whats the matter Agnostic?cat got your tongue? poor aggie. you really are a very very sad little person, foulmouthed and narrowminded. you try to shut down those who disagree with you. anyone can see what an abject failure you are. in life, you probably are too, unless you work at a nonprofit, or for KU? plenty of people like you on campus.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

and, now word that KU is actually working on ethanol. this is a waste of public funds. stop subsidies to farmers for growing something other than food. still ... no Agnostic!

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

wow, the hits do just keep on comin'. poor foulmouthed aggie. here's yet another article identifying ethanol as a contributor to global hunger, world price increases, and government instability in many countries. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/apr...

gr 6 years, 7 months ago

Do you think poor aggie has accepted reproof for his mistakes and will no longer be promoting global hunger?

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