Archive for Wednesday, September 5, 2007

Cost estimates for trail lower than first thought

September 5, 2007


City commissioners caught a break Tuesday night.

Commissioners at their weekly meeting learned that a mistake in cost estimates for the proposed Burroughs Creek Trail in eastern Lawrence had significantly inflated the cost of the project - which would run from Hobbs Park near 11th and Delaware Streets to near Haskell Indian Nations University along 23rd Street.

A staff memo to commissioners had estimated it would cost $3.9 million to build the trail in concrete. The true estimate, though, is about $1.8 million. A clerical error resulted in the higher estimate.

The concrete option is still about $600,000 more than a proposal to build the trail with a limestone aggregate.

Commissioners unanimously approved the master plan for the project, but stopped short of endorsing the concrete or the limestone option. Commissioners said they wanted more cost information on the two options, but said they were leaning toward the concrete option.

Staff members also said decisions would need to made regarding whether to do the entire trail at once or in phases. Commissioners said they wanted the entire stretch of trail to be completed in one phase. But amenities such as trail connections, a splash park and various gardens and displays could be done in phases.


mumbojumbo 10 years, 5 months ago

I agree why don't we have money to repair the streets but can get all excited about finding a way to build another trail that we really don't need at this time of no money in the kitty. Just raise mill levy, increase sales tax and increase cost of utilities to the homeowners to run our city. Now we have one million eight to put into a trail that we so badly need for Lawrence to exist. Come on let us start taking care of we have to have and not worry about the extras right now since we are a city with no money.

Richard Heckler 10 years, 5 months ago

I'm all for the trail that has been approved, yet to be funded, with either surface. I could be happy with a hike and bike trail without the water park. A nicely landscaped shaded area with water fountains,picnic tables and a bathroom could be done for less money. If less money were spent on trail material that $600,000 could provide money for landscaping or fencing where desired.

*OR pull $100,000 for additional creative landscaping downtown where cyclists and walkers also travel. Contact Vinland Valley Nursery for some ideas.

Perhaps this trail could hook up to the west so some could rendevous with their westside brothers and sisters.

*building the trail with a limestone aggregate might prevent frequent icing up during the colder months thus more useful more often.

lunacydetector 10 years, 5 months ago

how many people will this benefit? how many bicycle riders will need to use this to justify its cost? i guess this doesn't matter. it's only OUR money. so, the riverfront levy trail or the bypass to clinton lake trail, or all the bicycle friendly lanes all over town, isn't good enough? hell no, let's blow some more money we don't have (especially for a park dedicated to a lunatic) - we'll just raise everyone's taxes.

they need to make these bicycle trails into toll roads, but then they'd have to hire people to man the toll gates - as long as the tolls would cover the costs. we could call it an "impact fee for a non-impact exercise."

average 10 years, 5 months ago

I suspect that the trail will get quite a bit of use. Rather than money on fancy amenities, though, I'd rather see this trail connect somewhere. A whole lot more valuable than a water attraction.

Proposed: At the north end, a widened sidewalk around the outfield at Hobbs Park, ending the trail at 10th and Delaware.

Pedestrian lights at 11th, and 19th.... maybe 15th.

At the south end (the existing Haskell Trail), add a very short pedestrian connection to the Haskell campus (Kiowa Ave) and a path from Haskell Campus to Park Hill Ave and South Junior High. Add a pedestrian-controlled light at 27th and Haskell and lots of junior high age kids from the Prairie Park neighborhood can get to school without more traffic on 23rd.

Kelly Anderson 10 years, 5 months ago

I don't understand why they are making plans for another park, when Hallmark donated land for a park at Peterson and North Iowa that still has no equipment and is hardly ever mowed during the summer. I have lived right down the street for 6 years and still nothing has changed at this "park". During the summer the kids can't even play on the land because they mow it maybe 2 times during the summer. I just don't get it!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was one of the reasons I moved into that area. Of course, I haven't been very proactive in finding out anything about it. Just wanted to complain about a million dollars to be spent on a new park when existing ones need better equipment or they have no equipment at all.

pace 10 years, 5 months ago

We could spend this money on the west side much better, the west side has bike trails and exercise opportunities, we should upgrade them. There are many places for a splash park on any of the trails there, There is the much needed upgrade of the new soccar fields or we could upgrade the city recreational facility. We definetly could use it to create a kind of super sports park for everyone to use, make a real state of the art sports complex that would draw people from all over the world. Using this money to promote sports will serve everyone. One of the most important things this city can do is to support the children to compete in supervised sports. We need to concentrate our parks and recreation money on supervised competitive sports leagues.

J Good Good 10 years, 5 months ago

The city has only been promising this would be a "rails to trails" trail for at least the last 15 years or so. This is not a "new" idea it is one that the neighbors have been pushing for and waiting for a long time.

Bubbles 10 years, 5 months ago

This is a terrible idea no matter what it costs. Why destroy wildlife and pristine wilderness just so a few liberals can walk around to see whats left?

Take a ride on your T and make note of all the trees in town.

J Good Good 10 years, 5 months ago

Bubbles what the heck are you talking about? This is an old railroad bed through a part of town that is 150 years old.

Baille 10 years, 5 months ago

Only "liberals" walk around. That's funny.

Mad Hannity Disease is starting to take its toll on the left hand side of the bell curve.

Haiku_Cuckoo 10 years, 5 months ago

We could spend this money on the west side much better, the west side has bike trails and exercise opportunities,

Which is why the West Side doesn't need a bike trail; they already have it. A bike trail in East Lawrence is a better idea.

Kelly Anderson 10 years, 5 months ago

Irregardless if is it is a "new" or "old" idea, it still costs alot when existing parks or unfinished parks need work or updating.

ive_got_my_ascot_n_my_dickie 10 years, 5 months ago

I agree with lunacdeterctor and mumbojumbo, we don't need anoter bike trails. Use money to fix pot hoels and streets instead. Noboby rides bikes these days anyways. Why ride a bike when you can drive? Dont spend money on bikes. Our city doesnt have money but it will get better when the new wallmart opens because it will create jobs but don't spend money on bike trails.

KsTwister 10 years, 5 months ago

If we could bottle all the methane that comes out of this city hall the energy crisis would be almost manageable. If they continue to spend then they don't need to keep running to taxpayers for the money they can't manage.

gr 10 years, 5 months ago

"they need to make these bicycle trails into toll roads, "

Hey, then later we could increase the tolls to pay for a new library!
(or something else totally unrelated)

Yabut 10 years, 5 months ago

Again the city proves that all the hysteria and threats regarding budget cuts is non-existant. Or are they? Which is it city commissioners? Either things are so dire that you need to talk about cutting hours at the pool, cutting the hours of the T, laying off employees, inability to provide basic necessities to employees to do their jobs (bullets and batteries for LPD) or things are so cherry that you're now talking about putting 1.8 million toward nice, but unnecessary, amenities rather than funding that which already exists. It's one or the other, you can't have both. You either need to make up your mind,or you need to see a psychiatrist for that split personality of yours.

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