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Archive for Tuesday, October 9, 2007

Questions about SLT to be addressed at meeting

October 9, 2007

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Completion of the South Lawrence Trafficway will be the main topic of discussion at Wednesday night's Douglas County Commission meeting.

Commissioners will discuss an exchange of letters between County Administrator Craig Weinaug and J. Michael Bowen, division engineer for the Federal Highway Administration.

In August, Bowen sent a letter to Weinaug asking a series of questions about growth plans south of 31st Street. Bowen also asked about the effect different alignments for the last leg of the SLT would have on those plans. In addition, he questioned the potential effect of the new Lawrence water treatment plant.

An alignment that would take the SLT south of the Wakarusa River (42nd Street) would create a major intersection at Douglas County Road 1055 (the continuation of Haskell Avenue), Weinaug wrote. It would probably create a more mixed and dense urban population area there, he said.

An alignment north of the river would create a major interchange at Haskell Avenue and could affect existing businesses that must be relocated south of the river and floodplain.

Not building the final leg of the SLT would mean existing roads - including Kansas Highway 10 - would have to handle increased traffic, Weinaug said.

The FHwA is conducting an evaluation of the SLT and the indirect and cumulative effects on development.

Commissioners meet at 6:35 p.m. Wednesday on the second floor of the Douglas County Courthouse, 1100 Mass.

Comments

kansas778 6 years, 6 months ago

The plan calls to pave through only a small portion or the wetlands, and will create an additional 200 acres of wetlands. The reason the 31st street route failed was because Haskell did have a say in that route. Haskell has no say in the 32nd street route because it has no land adjacent to that proposed route. People like tuschkahouma are trying to say that Haskell has a claim to the land adjacent to the 32nd street route, and thus that it should have a say in how the land is used. tuschkahouma however is ignorant of the law. You do not get any rights associated with ownership of a property....unless you actually are the owner. Haskell is not the owner and cannot stop the construction. You cannot demand that the government not build a road through or next to land you don't own. tuschkahouma claims that the land "should" be owned by Haskell and not Baker, but has Haskell sued Baker for the property? If no, then he needs to shut up because he has as much right to stop the highway as he does to stop the rotation of the Earth.

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cowboy 6 years, 6 months ago

Bozo , if the land was left to natural progression the large rains would wash out the dams , as they have this year , then the water is not retained , i.e. , no swamp ponds , these ponds are nearly dry at the end of a hot summer even with the dams. The wetlands myth may have been accurate prior to Clinton Lake being built but there are no spring floods now . If logic doesn't prevail take a look at all of the other land on both sides of the river , see any " natural wetlands ' No you don't . If Haskell truly cared about their land they'd clean up the ugly ass mess on their side of 31st street.

The real abundance of wildlife around here is at Clinton Lake , thousands of birds , we can get along with out this little slice of swamp heaven.

Build the road , we got the poop plant south of the river put the road north , its only fair !

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Bruce Rist 6 years, 6 months ago

Thanks kcwarpony very interesting. I hope everyone reads this

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justfornow 6 years, 6 months ago

After all that's a democratic republic, isn't it?

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Bruce Rist 6 years, 6 months ago

Could someone please tell why Haskell has a dog in this fight when it's called the Baker Wetlands not the Haskell Wetlands?

And, what does Baker University say about this? Isn't this their property?

Thank you in advance,

TS

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justfornow 6 years, 6 months ago

I personally am looking forward to the parking lot and wetland center that will be built.

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justfornow 6 years, 6 months ago

tuschkahouma, I would recommend that you become a leader of your tribe, and try to fit in with whats going on now in 2007.... Whats best for all.

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Mike Ford 6 years, 6 months ago

bugmenot, the wetlands were surplused out following the passage of the federal indian school surplus lands act of 1962, or title 25 chapter 7, section 293a. Only 50 acres of land could be surplused at any one time to a public school agency. Kansas Parks and Wildlife and Baker University knew that the land couldn't be transferred following the guidelines of the congressional decree that established the land transfer, so they laundered the land transfer through the Health, Education, and Welfare Department, hoping to skirt any appearance of illegality. 572.68 acres were surplused when the act only allowed 50 acres at a time to be surplused. Like trying to sneak Fort Know out of Fort Knox. Of course, all one has to do is look at how Ottawa University was started on stolen land appropriated by an 1862 treaty and later paid for in an Indian Claims Commission settlement of $409,000 with the Ottawa tribe that was in Oklahoma trying to undo congressional termination at the time. Churches always do right by indigenous people. They're never the agents of coercion for the populace or the federal government.

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Mike Ford 6 years, 6 months ago

again, federal monies won't be spent if it is determined via lawsuit if this project is legally feasable or just the railroading device that we've so far derailed. I don't respond to name calling, only stupid comments.

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justfornow 6 years, 6 months ago

After spending sometime on the internet. Um...I sure didnt see anything on "theft of land lawsuit" maybe you could enlighten me, bugmenot

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kshiker 6 years, 6 months ago

Actually, the 32nd Street Alignment is on the verge of being approved by the Federal Highway Administration. Once this has been approved, the initial appropriation for wetlands mitigation approved by Congress will begin to be spent in the area. Now that the alignment will be approved, Senator Roberts will continue to line up more funding for this project in future transportation appropriations legislation. Once the project receives significant federal funding, the state will likely include funding for the project in the next comprehensive transportation plan. The FHA decision is the development that was needed to spur this whole process.

Sorry hippies. You will soon have to start fighting for some other cause. Although I'm sure you will find one. Why don't you go protest Starbucks or Burger King again???

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Mike Ford 6 years, 6 months ago

more of the same ranting, sans bozo, by the same bunch of uneducated people who believe if they repeat the same fallacies over and over again, more uneducated and like-minded people will support them. It almost sounds like a Carl Rove plan. The National Environmental Policy Act has been emaciated by a pro-development, anti-culture and environment lobby who doesn't know federal environmental law, federal Indian law, civil rights law, or anyhting else requiring a thought process. Like a bunch of children they want the most illogical plan and they want it now. This discussion isn't really a discussion. It's the same people saying ridiculous comments to bait a discussion. Keep banging your heads, you'll still lose in court.

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bugmenot 6 years, 6 months ago

Um, they did file a lawsuit, and they found that the last leg of it was in violation of several federal laws, hence the building stoppage.

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justfornow 6 years, 6 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says:

I'm less concerned about the "destruction of the wetlands," than the completion of the final step in the theft of the Haskell Wetlands.

If a theft has occurred take it up in court, Like everybody else does in this free (for the most part) nation. If you really believe that file a lawsuit.

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bd 6 years, 6 months ago

Maybe we want an easier route out of this freako town! Nice town to visit when the students are not here, but sure can't live here. I will just keep on makin money and gettin outa town at 5:00

THANKS!

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justfornow 6 years, 6 months ago

Oracle_of_Rhode, just_another_bozo_on_this_bus,

Thats it?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 6 months ago

I'm less concerned about the "destruction of the wetlands," than the completion of the final step in the theft of the Haskell Wetlands.

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Oracle_of_Rhode 6 years, 6 months ago

The contempt for nature flaunted hereabouts by the unemployed, keyboard-addicted corps of right wing creeps truly is nauseating. But they really only cheer for the SLT because it cuts the drive time to the airport stalls.

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justfornow 6 years, 6 months ago

When be honest, was the last time you you walked the wetlands? Furthermore, If you don't answer the Question about the destruction of the wetlands upon completion of the SLT, then your argument holds no water. This really seems like a win for everyone, why the holdup?

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offtotheright 6 years, 6 months ago

Why is that Bozo? Is it because you dont leave Lawrence? You ride your cozy little bike around and have no need for the slt?

Crazy wackos!

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blue73harley 6 years, 6 months ago

And the folks that carry salamanders across the road are the sane ones...yep, sure they are wink wink.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 6 months ago

The pave-it-all-over crowd are the fanatical wackos.

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blessed3x 6 years, 6 months ago

I've always thought that the environmental crowd of Lawrence is really missing the boat on this issue. The state has offered some wonderful compensations for running the roadway through the wetlands including enlarging the wetlands and adding a learning center. To show how we can incorporate change and modernization and still maintain our natural features could be a postive model on a national stage. The SLT could draw attention to the wetlands. Instead, they fight the inevitable tooth and nail and in the end simply come out looking like fanatical whackos that are unwilling to compromise. As for the state, I also believe that they could do a lot to help facilitate a compromise by being willing to be a little more creative in their roadway design and adjacent land use.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 6 months ago

Hardly, cowboy. The real truth is that without continuous maintenace, the entire stretch of territory along the Wakarusa would return back to the wetlands it was 150 years ago.

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cowboy 6 years, 6 months ago

Noticed the bulldozer out at the wetlands again this past week maintaining the "natural wetlands " . Without the bulldozer work that seems to occur every few months now it would be a dryland with drainage in the spring.

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smot 6 years, 6 months ago

Truth of the matter is that this issue has been a "power" or "control" issue since the SLT was proposed in the early 80's. There is just a group of folks that get off by keeping this tied up in court to prove their own importance to the rest of Lawrence. This project will never be completed. These folks enjoy the manipulation of everyone else's lives too much and will never give up their own sense of importance.

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justfornow 6 years, 6 months ago

I have yet to hear or see evidence that would require the destruction of the existing wetlands by finishing the SLT along the 32nd street route.

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Eybea Opiner 6 years, 6 months ago

Oracle, explain what "environmental disaster" will occur. There is none. The so-called wetlands will be relocated.

Are you just against all construction? What about the environmental disaster of the Kansas Turnpike, or the Interstate System? Are you against those, too?

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Oracle_of_Rhode 6 years, 6 months ago

SLT = environmental disaster and crime against common sense.

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Eybea Opiner 6 years, 6 months ago

Just build the G.D. bypass already! How many years has this been going on? And to protect a manufactured "wetlands" that wasn't always wet, and one that can be moved.

Over the years the cost has gone up as 23rd street has become nearly impassable, while Lawrence, populated by a bunch of people whose sense of "history" apparently goes back to the 1980s, stagnates.

Build it, and get it over with.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 6 months ago

"Lawrence will never be considered a "green" city as long they refuse to build the SLT "

This must be nominated as one of the all-time most "Newspeak" statements I've seen on this forum.

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Thats_messed_up 6 years, 6 months ago

Lawrence will never be considered a "green" city as long they refuse to build the SLT thereby strangling traffic for thousands and thousands of northeast Kansas commuters every day. The greenhouse emissions from 20,000 to 40,000 vehicles starting and stopping and starting and stopping 20 times over-- twice a day just to get through liberal Lawrence is many many times more than if those same vehicles cruised around Lawrence through open fields of mud and mosquitoes at 65mph without ever stopping once. Green city! What a joke!

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