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House passes bill calling for troops to come home

November 15, 2007

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— House Democrats pushed through a $50 billion bill for the Iraq war Wednesday night that would require President Bush to start bringing troops home in coming weeks with a goal of ending combat by December 2008.

The legislation, passed 218-203, was largely a symbolic jab at Bush, who already has begun reducing force levels but opposes a congressionally mandated timetable on the war. And while the measure was unlikely to pass in the Senate - let alone overcome a presidential veto - Democrats said they wanted voters to know they weren't giving up.

"The fact is, we can no longer sustain the military deployment in Iraq," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. "Staying there in the manner that we are there is no longer an option."

The White House pledged to veto the bill, and Republicans said they would back the president.

Comments

chet_larock 7 years, 5 months ago

Yeah! Pelosi's just forgetting about the invincibility and endless man codes. Moron!

preebo 7 years, 5 months ago

"The fact is, some Dems are starting to change their mind about Iraq..."

Wrong. Most of the Dems who have voted against this bill have voted againts every War spending bill, because they are attempting to cut-off funding, Like Rep. Dennis Kucinich. Hardly in keeping with the Republican agenda.

"A successful end to Iraq scares the living daylights out of Pelosi, Reid, Murtha and Co. Inc."

...such a foolish comment.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 7 years, 5 months ago

I don't understand how anyone could think that terrorists would be against continuing the war in Iraq. A destructive redistribution of wealth and death seems to be what terrorists are all about. This war is driving nails into the coffin and coffers of the US economy, which in turn is ruining the lives of millions of 'mericans and causing grief, strife and a great gnashing of teeth. We're going down the tubes to accomplish...err...warring...in Iraq...I guess. Well...anyway...somebody's getting rich and it's got to trickle down somewhere...sometime. I don't know if I care to live to see the day as it's going to get stupid before that happens.

I mean, obviously the war is going great. We've killed lots of terrorists and civilians and poor 'merican boys. We've destroyed a gazillion tons of infrastructure and brought in lots of weapons of mass destruction to destroy weapons of mass destruction. We've hired mercenaries to rip us off and bypass rules. It's a raging success. I remember lots of hawks winking at the war on terror and whispering that "Were gonna get us some damned oil!" Well, it's obvious that no such nefarious goals were planned, or met at least.

In any case...War is a good damned thing and anybody who says different is a terrorist naysayer!

Left_handed 7 years, 5 months ago

It really doesn't make a hill of beans, because at the end of the day Dubya will veto it and the Republicans in congress will uphold the veto. It will be yet another failure on Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid's parts, cementing them inexorably in the lowest corners of the dustbin of history. Selah.

preebo 7 years, 5 months ago

"Obama Bin Laden, the darling of the left." "You lefties are disgusting."

This guy really needs to educate himself on international affairs and public relations. The days of Karl Rove politics are over my friend. No one is buying your wordplay, nice try though.

shockchalk 7 years, 5 months ago

Give him time dots..........some of his lies take a while to concoct. Don't worry though, he will find something negative to bash Bush for before he's done.

Bradley Klamm 7 years, 5 months ago

I am appalled that people will so staunchly defend an administration that has spent the better part of a decade lying, undercutting the constitution, and showing the most hypocritical facade to the world. We slap Iran on the wrist while we bankroll next-generation nuclear weapons technology? We spend millions of dollars and how many human lives searching for Osama, when his late brother Salem bankrolled Arbusto Energy, Bush's first business venture? Or his involvement with Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI)? And people wonder why the global community only takes us just so seriously... because we still have nukes...

right_thinker, madmike, dotslines, America is wising-up to the fact that the current administration is actively and willfully trying to F**K us. Why else would they only tax the middle class, then borrow heavily when the budget doesn't support the war that only they profit from? Or spend 8 years running the economy into the ground for their own personal gain? Why is it that 625 BILLION dollars spent by the DoD in the 2007 fiscal year didn't buy body armor for every active duty soldier, but it did pay $117 million dollars for a new nuclear program that violates the nonproliferation treaty? When you use the exact same rhetoric and spin they use, it kinda makes it seem like you would do the same, if given the opportunity. The Republican party is against America. The simple fact that they accuse EVERYONE else of that exact thing is a good illustration.

I wish Bob Lee Swagger was a real person.

jonas 7 years, 5 months ago

"A successful end to Iraq scares the living daylights out of Pelosi, Reid, Murtha and Co. Inc. ."

Probably true, showing just how sadly political the purposes and accomplishments of the war have become, and how easily we forget what's been said and what's happened. Success in this war, which I hope will happen, and soon, no longer will vindicate the president's policies. Too little, too late, requiring far too much sacrifice. At least, in comparison to how we were told it would play out in the beginning. (Though how anyone could have bought THAT line of horse-crap, even at the time, I have no idea)

But. . . it did get Bush a second term.

jonas 7 years, 5 months ago

""Answer me this-who has more to gain by lying, the media or the President?"

Duh. Which one is a profit making venture?"

Cynically, I would have to say, in this day and age, both of these are profit making ventures. At least, it seems that's the way they've both been handled for the last couple decades.

moo 7 years, 5 months ago

Dots, comparing Iraq to WWII, as you have several times in this thread, is simply ridiculous. Hitler was in the process of actually taking over countries and we still held back from declaring war on Germany or evenly openly helping our British allies because people were so reticent to go to war. We did not declare war at all until Japan actually attacked American soil, and even then we did not declare war on Germany, only Japan. Germany declared war on us a few days later. We did not make the decision to depose Hitler, he declared war on us, leaving us no choice, no other options. Luckily we succeeded, but it was not a situation of the US running over to Europe at the first sign of trouble to save Poland and the Jews.

Iraq, on the other hand, did not attack us (as much as people wanted to connect 911 with Iraq, there is simply not a shred of evidence to support that claim, and in fact plenty to the contrary). Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, he treated his people poorly, but he was no worse and perhaps even better than many dictators we have supported over local democracies in many countries. We went into Iraq based on faulty information and whether Bush himself lied or not, there were serious issues with the way that the invasion was handled. We did not even come close to exhausting other options before we invaded. Going to Iraq was wrong.

However, having said this, I feel that we as a country have been completely let down by the Democrats in the last few months, and this kind of political BS does not make it any better. Both parties should feel deeply ashamed for the way this war has been handled. I hope that this can end successfully, mostly for the Iraqi people. We screwed them big time. I will be very interested to read about this conflict (since it isn't really a war) in the history books in a few decades.

We need a real third party option. Both parties have failed for too long now to solve this country's problems. Maybe Ron Paul IS the way to go. Anarchy is better that this cr*p.

blackwalnut 7 years, 5 months ago

"A successful end to Iraq scares the living daylights out of Pelosi, Reid, Murtha and Co. Inc. ."

Actualy that is what scares Dick Cheney and George W. Bush.

Stability in Iraq would mean America had no excuse to stay - except to extract the oil, which was always the goal.

If peace broke out in Iraq tomorrow, the smoke and mirrors would vanish.

tell_it_like_it_is 7 years, 5 months ago

Jesus H. Christ. They're sure are alot of people on here who don't have a life. Who the h@ll cares anymore? W has all but ruined our country and totally trashed our economy. But we all just sit around with out thumbs up our @ss's and let him do it. So who's fault is it? We should have been in the streets demanding impeachment 3 years ago. Instead of running to the gas station to pay $3.00 a gallon for gas over and over like a bunch of sheep in a blizzard. It is to late to even try to impeach him now. His term will be up before the process would be completed anyway. In a way we got just what we deserved. It will fall to whoever the unfortunate person who gets elected next to get us out of this mess. If thats even possible.

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