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Coal plant supporters’ ad attacks governor
November 6, 2007
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Supporters put pro-coal plant ads in papers
Ads today in some Kansas newspapers contend the state's decision to reject two coal-fired power plants will help the natural gas-producing countries of Russia, Iran and Venezuela. Enlarge video
Topeka — Supporters of the rejected coal-fired power plants in western Kansas now are accusing Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of helping Iran, Venezuela and Russia.
“Why are these men smiling?” the full-page ad asks below photos of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
“Because the recent decision by the Sebelius Administration means Kansas will import more natural gas from countries like Russia, Venezuela and Iran,” the ad states.
The ad, partially funded by Sunflower Electric Power Corp. and Peabody Coal Co., appeared in newspapers statewide Monday.
Sebelius denounced the ad, describing it as “over-the-top nonsense.”
She added, “Anyone who would associate our state with the controversial and disreputable world leaders pictured in this ad fundamentally misunderstands and disrespects the people of Kansas.
“The ad is offensive to every Kansan, and the people of Kansas deserve an apology.”
The ads were launched by a newly formed group called Kansans for Affordable Energy.
Bob Kreutzer, a Garden City businessman who helped start the group, said the ads were meant to provide the public with information about Sunflower’s proposal.
Without more coal-generated electric power, Kansas and the United States will be forced to rely on shrinking reserves of natural gas, and eventually have to import the fuel from hostile countries, the ad states.
“We need a balance” of energy sources, Kreutzer said.
Sunflower proposed building two 700-megawatt coal-burning power plants near Holcomb.
Last month, Kansas Department of Health and Energy Secretary Roderick Bremby denied permits for the plants, citing health and environmental concerns associated with carbon dioxide emissions.
Sebelius has supported the decision, but many western Kansas officials have said Bremby’s order was unfair because there are neither state nor national regulations on carbon dioxide emissions.
Since the decision, Chesapeake Energy, an Oklahoma City natural gas company, has launched an advertising campaign criticizing coal as unhealthy and harmful to the environment.
Kreutzer said the pro-coal ad campaign was designed to combat the ads from the natural gas company.
He conceded linking Sebelius to the likes of Ahmadinejad may have been “a little bit extreme.” But, he said, he signed onto the ad because last year Sebelius met with western Kansas leaders in Garden City and assured them she would not oppose the Sunflower plants.
“The governor directly looked at us and said, ‘I will not oppose that power plant,’” Kreutzer said. He said the meeting occurred before the November election, in which Sebelius was re-elected to a second term.
But Sebelius has a different recollection of that meeting.
She said the meeting was at the start of the hearing process on the plants’ permits.
“I told them that the intent was to gather information, and not intended to derail the plants,” Sebelius said.
She said during the time since that meeting, she became convinced the proposal was not in Kansas’ best interest.
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6 November 2007 at 7:09 a.m.
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Oracle_of_Rhode (Anonymous) says…
In Gov. Sebelius, we in Kansas have one of the finest public servants in the nation. Perhaps that's why the greed-besotted plunderers of our environment despise her. She's really for the people of Kansas, not the polluters of Kansas.
6 November 2007 at 7:41 a.m.
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deskboy04 (Anonymous) says…
build the coal plants!
6 November 2007 at 8:35 a.m.
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fraublucher (Anonymous) says…
I bet Kim Jong Il is really torqued off he was omitted.
6 November 2007 at 8:35 a.m.
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
That Hugo Chavez is one smooth operator.
6 November 2007 at 8:44 a.m.
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wysiwyg69 (Anonymous) says…
the reality is, the governor is selling out kansas because she is not forcing the building of wind powered generators,
6 November 2007 at 8:45 a.m.
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dirkleisure (Anonymous) says…
I guess, since the argument is 'eventually' we'll have to import energy from these three countries, the ad assumes these people will still be in power.
As things stand now, the US imports Z E R O energy from these three nations, and will continue that practice into the foreseeable future.
These guys must just figure that since crazy right wing fascists in Kansas never seem to go away (ahem, Phill Kline) these three bozos will just do the same.
6 November 2007 at 9:15 a.m.
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tolawdjk (Anonymous) says…
really dirk?
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petro…
Take a look. Venezuela ranks 5th as a US oil importer and Russia 14th.
Venezuela is 4th for all petroleum and Russia is 8th.
This is all based on August 07 data.
These number are post Chavez's grab of all corporate production in Venezuela, so it appears that even on some fundemental level, there is some import coming in from Venezuela. Unless you have data within the last couple months to refute this. Now, saying that denial of the power plants = direct imports of foreign nat gas seems quite a bit of a stretch. Sunflower would go a long way to getting these plants approved if they switched to IGCC rather than pulverized.
6 November 2007 at 9:28 a.m.
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jafs (Anonymous) says…
Since there seem to be issues with most of the electricity-generating fuels, it makes sense to me that we should reduce our demand and be mindful of our use.
6 November 2007 at 9:32 a.m.
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dirkleisure (Anonymous) says…
Gonna light your house with oil and petroleum? Maybe you can burn some whale oil, too.
Perhaps you were involved in creating these ads, given the apples to oranges link you just provided.
Try to stay German during conversation. Unless you think denying coal plants is going to lead to increased imports of oil and petroleum. If you think that, there's nothing anyone can do for you.
6 November 2007 at 10:30 a.m.
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SloMo (Anonymous) says…
Try to stay German? Is this your way of being the first poster to accuse another poster of being…. a nazi?!!!
6 November 2007 at 10:43 a.m.
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
“Try to stay German during conversation.”
Maybe he meant “Jermaine”, like Jermaine Jackson.
6 November 2007 at 10:45 a.m.
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dirkleisure (Anonymous) says…
You got it, Tito.
6 November 2007 at 10:46 a.m.
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fraublucher (Anonymous) says…
Herr Himmler was always a gas.
6 November 2007 at 10:49 a.m.
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Phillbert (Anonymous) says…
Why is nobody talking about the Trinididian (Trinidese?) conspiracy to control our nation's energy supply?
Forget Hugo, Vlad and that guy with the beard - they don't actually ship any natural gas to the U.S., despite what the coal pushers say. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/ng/ng_move…
But Trinidad is our #2 source for natural gas behind Canada and we really need to be worrying about Trinidadian (Trinidadan?) Prime Minister Patrick Manning! He's already got Tobago in his grasp - is Topeka next!?
6 November 2007 at 10:51 a.m.
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fraublucher (Anonymous) says…
And Jermaine isn't German. But he might be relevant.
6 November 2007 at 11:31 a.m.
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logrithmic (Anonymous) says…
These rightwing “swiftboat” attacks have grown as tiresome as they have mendacious.
Lying is lying and the rightwing needs to stop lying and smearing with innuendo and start debating with facts and reason (if they're capable).
Kind of reminds me of a Bob Dylan song when the rightwing was smearing people with the label of commies:
“Well, I was feelin' sad and feelin' blue,
I didn't know what in the world I was gonna do,
Them Communists they wus comin' around,
They wus in the air,
They wus on the ground.
They wouldn't gimme no peace. . .
So I run down most hurriedly
And joined up with the John Birch Society,
I got me a secret membership card
And started off a-walkin' down the road.
Yee-hoo, I'm a real John Bircher now!
Look out you Commies!
Now we all agree with Hitlers' views,
Although he killed six million Jews.
It don't matter too much that he was a Fascist,
At least you can't say he was a Communist!
That's to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria.
Well, I wus lookin' everywhere for them gol-darned Reds.
I got up in the mornin' 'n' looked under my bed,
Looked in the sink, behind the door,
Looked in the glove compartment of my car.
Couldn't find 'em . . .
I wus lookin' high an' low for them Reds everywhere,
I wus lookin' in the sink an' underneath the chair.
I looked way up my chimney hole,
I even looked deep inside my toilet bowl.
They got away . . .
Well, I wus sittin' home alone an' started to sweat,
Figured they wus in my T.V. set.
Peeked behind the picture frame,
Got a shock from my feet, hittin' right up in the brain.
Them Reds caused it!
I know they did … them hard-core ones.
Well, I quit my job so I could work alone,
Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes.
Followed some clues from my detective bag
And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag!
That ol' Betty Ross . . .
Well, I investigated all the books in the library,
Ninety percent of 'em gotta be burned away.
I investigated all the people that I knowed,
Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go.
The other two percent are fellow Birchers … just like me.
Now Eisenhower, he's a Russian spy,
Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy.
To my knowledge there's just one man
That's really a true American: George Lincoln Rockwell.
I know for a fact he hates Commies cus he picketed the movie Exodus.
Talkin John Birch Paranoid Blues
Well, I fin'ly started thinkin' straight
When I run outa things to investigate.
Couldn't imagine doin' anything else,
So now I'm sittin' home investigatin' myself!
Hope I don't find out anything … hmm, great God!”
6 November 2007 at 11:42 a.m.
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fraublucher (Anonymous) says…
Frau Blucher loves to sing
6 November 2007 at 12:03 p.m.
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tolawdjk (Anonymous) says…
Dirk so your definition of “energy” is electricity then? You said the US imports Z E R O energy from those countries. I countered with proof that the US is an energy importer and your apparent rebuttal is that its not energy? If that's the case the US is already energy independent and there is no arguement here. I'm not sure anyone else would agree with that position, but hey, power to you for taking it.
Or are you considering just natural gas and coal to be energy sources? Pleanty of peaking units out there that operate on fuel oil. Pleanty of housing using fuel oil as well.
6 November 2007 at 12:18 p.m.
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dirkleisure (Anonymous) says…
Red herring.
That's right, I used the word “energy” in my post, and you took the opportunity to broaden the field and bring in an unrelated argument. Good for you, Jermaine.
For the record, let's go back to the actual language in the actual ad: “Because the recent decision by the Sebelius Administration means Kansas will import more natural gas from countries like Russia, Venezuela and Iran,” the ad states.
But please, do go on and on about how accurate the ad is because of annual US imports of oil and petroleum. It is fascinating, really.
6 November 2007 at 12:46 p.m.
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yourworstnightmare (Anonymous) says…
I read that most of the electricity from these plants would be used in Colorado and Oklahoma and that only 20% would be used in KS.
6 November 2007 at 1:14 p.m.
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
I always admired Tito for balancing his singing career and being the ruler of an Eastern European country.
6 November 2007 at 1:33 p.m.
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tolawdjk (Anonymous) says…
I never said the ad was accurate. I never went on about it being remotely accurate. I said your statement that the US imports Z E R O energy from these countries was categorically false. In fact you made the ad's statement true by broadening the scope. All rectangles are not squares, but all squares are rectangles. If you want to get your panties in a bunch, that's your problem.
Anyone with half a modicum of knowledge about the gas industry can grasp that Kansas is not an importer of natural gas. Even if they wanted to, it would damn near impossible to import from those countries due to the lack of infrastructure.
6 November 2007 at 1:47 p.m.
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fraublucher (Anonymous) says…
Alas, poor Tito. He knew the cabaret well.
6 November 2007 at 1:50 p.m.
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fraublucher (Anonymous) says…
My friend Hugo has a ton of gas.
6 November 2007 at 2:23 p.m.
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lounger (Anonymous) says…
Keep your filthy, polluting coal plants out of our state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6 November 2007 at 3:33 p.m.
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ralphralph (Anonymous) says…
Yeah! … and keep your filthy electricity out of our Sta …. huh?
6 November 2007 at 3:55 p.m.
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fetch (Anonymous) says…
Yea, cause lounger already has his much filthier ones…….the Jeffries and Lawrence plants.