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Coal plant supporters’ ad attacks governor
November 6, 2007
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Supporters put pro-coal plant ads in papers
Ads today in some Kansas newspapers contend the state's decision to reject two coal-fired power plants will help the natural gas-producing countries of Russia, Iran and Venezuela. Enlarge video
Topeka — Supporters of the rejected coal-fired power plants in western Kansas now are accusing Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of helping Iran, Venezuela and Russia.
"Why are these men smiling?" the full-page ad asks below photos of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
"Because the recent decision by the Sebelius Administration means Kansas will import more natural gas from countries like Russia, Venezuela and Iran," the ad states.
The ad, partially funded by Sunflower Electric Power Corp. and Peabody Coal Co., appeared in newspapers statewide Monday.
Sebelius denounced the ad, describing it as "over-the-top nonsense."
She added, "Anyone who would associate our state with the controversial and disreputable world leaders pictured in this ad fundamentally misunderstands and disrespects the people of Kansas.
"The ad is offensive to every Kansan, and the people of Kansas deserve an apology."
The ads were launched by a newly formed group called Kansans for Affordable Energy.
Bob Kreutzer, a Garden City businessman who helped start the group, said the ads were meant to provide the public with information about Sunflower's proposal.
Without more coal-generated electric power, Kansas and the United States will be forced to rely on shrinking reserves of natural gas, and eventually have to import the fuel from hostile countries, the ad states.
"We need a balance" of energy sources, Kreutzer said.
Sunflower proposed building two 700-megawatt coal-burning power plants near Holcomb.
Last month, Kansas Department of Health and Energy Secretary Roderick Bremby denied permits for the plants, citing health and environmental concerns associated with carbon dioxide emissions.
Sebelius has supported the decision, but many western Kansas officials have said Bremby's order was unfair because there are neither state nor national regulations on carbon dioxide emissions.
Since the decision, Chesapeake Energy, an Oklahoma City natural gas company, has launched an advertising campaign criticizing coal as unhealthy and harmful to the environment.
Kreutzer said the pro-coal ad campaign was designed to combat the ads from the natural gas company.
He conceded linking Sebelius to the likes of Ahmadinejad may have been "a little bit extreme." But, he said, he signed onto the ad because last year Sebelius met with western Kansas leaders in Garden City and assured them she would not oppose the Sunflower plants.
"The governor directly looked at us and said, 'I will not oppose that power plant,'" Kreutzer said. He said the meeting occurred before the November election, in which Sebelius was re-elected to a second term.
But Sebelius has a different recollection of that meeting.
She said the meeting was at the start of the hearing process on the plants' permits.
"I told them that the intent was to gather information, and not intended to derail the plants," Sebelius said.
She said during the time since that meeting, she became convinced the proposal was not in Kansas' best interest.
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6 November 2007
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Oracle_of_Rhode (Anonymous) says…
In Gov. Sebelius, we in Kansas have one of the finest public servants in the nation. Perhaps that's why the greed-besotted plunderers of our environment despise her. She's really for the people of Kansas, not the polluters of Kansas.
6 November 2007
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deskboy04 (Anonymous) says…
build the coal plants!
6 November 2007
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fraublucher (Anonymous) says…
I bet Kim Jong Il is really torqued off he was omitted.
6 November 2007
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
That Hugo Chavez is one smooth operator.
6 November 2007
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wysiwyg69 (Anonymous) says…
the reality is, the governor is selling out kansas because she is not forcing the building of wind powered generators,
6 November 2007
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dirkleisure (Anonymous) says…
I guess, since the argument is 'eventually' we'll have to import energy from these three countries, the ad assumes these people will still be in power.
As things stand now, the US imports Z E R O energy from these three nations, and will continue that practice into the foreseeable future.
These guys must just figure that since crazy right wing fascists in Kansas never seem to go away (ahem, Phill Kline) these three bozos will just do the same.
6 November 2007
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tolawdjk (Anonymous) says…
really dirk?
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/pe…
Take a look. Venezuela ranks 5th as a US oil importer and Russia 14th.
Venezuela is 4th for all petroleum and Russia is 8th.
This is all based on August 07 data.
These number are post Chavez's grab of all corporate production in Venezuela, so it appears that even on some fundemental level, there is some import coming in from Venezuela. Unless you have data within the last couple months to refute this. Now, saying that denial of the power plants = direct imports of foreign nat gas seems quite a bit of a stretch. Sunflower would go a long way to getting these plants approved if they switched to IGCC rather than pulverized.
6 November 2007
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jafs (Anonymous) says…
Since there seem to be issues with most of the electricity-generating fuels, it makes sense to me that we should reduce our demand and be mindful of our use.
6 November 2007
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dirkleisure (Anonymous) says…
Gonna light your house with oil and petroleum? Maybe you can burn some whale oil, too.
Perhaps you were involved in creating these ads, given the apples to oranges link you just provided.
Try to stay German during conversation. Unless you think denying coal plants is going to lead to increased imports of oil and petroleum. If you think that, there's nothing anyone can do for you.
6 November 2007
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SloMo (Anonymous) says…
Try to stay German? Is this your way of being the first poster to accuse another poster of being…. a nazi?!!!
6 November 2007
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
“Try to stay German during conversation.”
Maybe he meant “Jermaine”, like Jermaine Jackson.
6 November 2007
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dirkleisure (Anonymous) says…
You got it, Tito.
6 November 2007
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fraublucher (Anonymous) says…
Herr Himmler was always a gas.
6 November 2007
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Phillbert (Anonymous) says…
Why is nobody talking about the Trinididian (Trinidese?) conspiracy to control our nation's energy supply?
Forget Hugo, Vlad and that guy with the beard - they don't actually ship any natural gas to the U.S., despite what the coal pushers say. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/ng/ng_m…
But Trinidad is our #2 source for natural gas behind Canada and we really need to be worrying about Trinidadian (Trinidadan?) Prime Minister Patrick Manning! He's already got Tobago in his grasp - is Topeka next!?
6 November 2007
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fraublucher (Anonymous) says…
And Jermaine isn't German. But he might be relevant.
6 November 2007
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fraublucher (Anonymous) says…
Frau Blucher loves to sing
6 November 2007
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tolawdjk (Anonymous) says…
Dirk so your definition of “energy” is electricity then? You said the US imports Z E R O energy from those countries. I countered with proof that the US is an energy importer and your apparent rebuttal is that its not energy? If that's the case the US is already energy independent and there is no arguement here. I'm not sure anyone else would agree with that position, but hey, power to you for taking it.
Or are you considering just natural gas and coal to be energy sources? Pleanty of peaking units out there that operate on fuel oil. Pleanty of housing using fuel oil as well.
6 November 2007
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dirkleisure (Anonymous) says…
Red herring.
That's right, I used the word “energy” in my post, and you took the opportunity to broaden the field and bring in an unrelated argument. Good for you, Jermaine.
For the record, let's go back to the actual language in the actual ad: “Because the recent decision by the Sebelius Administration means Kansas will import more natural gas from countries like Russia, Venezuela and Iran,” the ad states.
But please, do go on and on about how accurate the ad is because of annual US imports of oil and petroleum. It is fascinating, really.
6 November 2007
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yourworstnightmare (Anonymous) says…
I read that most of the electricity from these plants would be used in Colorado and Oklahoma and that only 20% would be used in KS.
6 November 2007
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
I always admired Tito for balancing his singing career and being the ruler of an Eastern European country.
6 November 2007
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tolawdjk (Anonymous) says…
I never said the ad was accurate. I never went on about it being remotely accurate. I said your statement that the US imports Z E R O energy from these countries was categorically false. In fact you made the ad's statement true by broadening the scope. All rectangles are not squares, but all squares are rectangles. If you want to get your panties in a bunch, that's your problem.
Anyone with half a modicum of knowledge about the gas industry can grasp that Kansas is not an importer of natural gas. Even if they wanted to, it would damn near impossible to import from those countries due to the lack of infrastructure.
6 November 2007
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fraublucher (Anonymous) says…
Alas, poor Tito. He knew the cabaret well.
6 November 2007
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fraublucher (Anonymous) says…
My friend Hugo has a ton of gas.
6 November 2007
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lounger (Anonymous) says…
Keep your filthy, polluting coal plants out of our state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6 November 2007
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ralphralph (Anonymous) says…
Yeah! … and keep your filthy electricity out of our Sta …. huh?
6 November 2007
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fetch (Anonymous) says…
Yea, cause lounger already has his much filthier ones…….the Jeffries and Lawrence plants.